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En de belgische mannekes van het zwarte nest zijn zeker niet het antwoord. We've seen their ilk before. |
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Van de Amerikanen en de Joden zullen we het zeker ook niet moeten verwachten, daar ben ik ondertussen rotsvast van overtuigd. De Europese belangen kunnen alleen hier verdedigd worden, door echte Europeanen, door de geest van het echte Continent.
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30 juli 2012, 21:29 | #67 |
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"Van de Amerikanen en de Joden zullen we het zeker ook niet moeten verwachten, daar ben ik ondertussen rotsvast van overtuigd"
-- Hoeveel meer bevrijdingen hebben jullie nog nodig? Euros hebben geen fluit geleerd in de 20st eeuw. Europeanen zijn experten in totalitaire regimes oprichten, colonialisme en mensen uitmoorden. Dat kunnen die wel goed ja. Nu proberen ze het zelfs te doen onder de vermomming van links "progressief" en politiek correcte tuinkabouters. Denken jullie dat de rest van de wereld echt dom is? |
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De wereldgeschiedenis van de laatste 500 jaar, het hele wereldsysteem dat we vandaag kennen is Europees.
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Met matchbox autootjes aantonen dat er vernietigingswapens zijn en die slimme Amerikanen trappen daar met hun grote voeten in. Ga ergens anders je eigen IQ wat ophemelen. Slimme, misschien ook nog devote Amerika liefhebber. God bless America, they really need it. De rest van de wereld mag verrekken. |
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Europa en ook de V.S. zit stampensvol liegende pro Jihad Taqiyya. Een totaal onderschat probleem, erger zelfs, de liberalen en de roden dwepen ermee. Een onbegrijpelijke, gevaarlijke situatie... knettergek (IMHO). Natuurlijk als je de zaak even bekijkt dan kan men vaststellen dat Islam/Jihad eigenlijk tot een soort van communisme leidt. De Islam en het communisme gaan hand in hand. Dat zal dus uiteindelijk de reden zijn dat bepaalde politieke groepen nauw samenwerken met het Moslimbroederschap, maar de Jihad moet ontkent worden. Dus liegen ze = Taqiyya, dat mag de Koran zolang het in het voordeel van de Jihaat speelt, meer zelfs ze zijn VERPLICHT om te liegen. Een goed voorbeeld van Taqiyya is het ontkennen van de aanwezigheid van het Moslimbroederschap in een land. Deze is steeds aanwezig via allerlei pro-Moslim organisaties en lobbies, maar men ontkent steevast dat het om het Moslimbroederschap gaat. Ondertussen weten we allemaal wel wat meer over Moslimbroederschap dankzij de prachtige Arabische revolitie die eigenlijk niet meer of minder is dan een totale machtsovername in de Arabische landen door het Moslimbroederschap, dit via Jihad actief gesteund door het Westen. Totally nuts ! Meer : Islam and jihad 8) The principle of al-Taqiyya 8) The principle of al-Taqiyya "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible...and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory." -- Abu Hammid Ghazali "Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." - Hadith 5.59.369 The principle and uses of skillful lying The root word "taqiyya" means to protect against or conceal. As you might gather from the quotes above, the principle of al-Taqiyya is the Islamic justification for lying and deceiving. Al-Taqiyya is drawn explicitly from the words of Muhammad, and from the examples he and his successors set. The Qur'an and other Islamic books condone lying, but they also praise truth-telling. Assuming for the moment these contradictory exhortations intend some salient point (a true assumption considering the principle in question), and assuming one principle hasn't abrogated the other, approved lying must have a context. That is exactly what Islamic scholars say is the case. Situations or purposes for which Islamic scholars collectively judge it to be permissible to lie include the following: to reconcile arguments, to settle family disputes, to settle arguments specifically with wives or women, to safeguard one's "innocent" life (i.e., not for criminals on trial), to protect the lives of other Muslims, to defend one's honor, to succeed in jihad or combat, and to spread the practice of Islam. With the admission that Muslims may lie under many circumstances, trusting a Muslim involves a higher than average degree of risk. We'll get into that later, but recognize that statements like the following only affirm that impression: "It is not mandatory to practice it (al-Taqiyya) at all times; on the contrary, it is permissible, and sometimes necessary, to abandon it (al-Taqiyya) altogether; as in the case where revealing the truth will further the cause of the religion, and provide a direct service to Islam;" - al-Shaykh Muhammad Ridha al-Mudhaffar In other words, 'You don't have to lie all the time; it's okay, and even useful, to sometimes tell the truth'. Not exactly a Sermon on the Mount-caliber message. At what point is it permissible to start lying? One point of contention between different Islamic sects is the stress point at which certain situations merit lying. It seems all Islamic sects agree that deception is good if it's done to promote Islam. Yet concerning lesser matters, interpretations vary. The Shi'a sect, for example, boasts of requiring a certain threshold of adversity before lying is justified. One Shi'a writer puts it "that Taqiyya must be practiced only when there is a definite danger which cannot be avoided and against which there is no hope of a successful struggle and victory." The Shi'a writer contrasts the Wahhabi threshold as being not nearly as high. Perhaps the Sunni threshold is included among the higher ones, at least in terms of not denying the faith, as Wikipedia records: Sunnis believe that God decides when someone is going to die. Therefore, they believe it is wrong to deny the faith in order to escape torture or death. By contrast, the Shi'a and some Sunnis believe that life is a gift from God and should be preserved...preservation of life takes precedence over anything else... The web site al-Islam.org adds this Iranian perspective on when al-Taqiyya can and cannot be invoked: Imam Khomeini in his book, "Islamic Government," also presents his view on al-Taqiyya. He believes that al-Taqiyya is permitted only when one's life is jeopardized. Whereas in cases wherein the religion of Allah, Islam, is in danger, it is not permitted even if it leads to one's death; A curious trend emerges after reading enough of these Islamic interfaith discussions. Groups which have the most lenient threshold for al-Taqiyya, i.e., would be the quickest to lie, seem to be the ones that are more tolerant of non-Muslims. They also appear more willing to work with the West. The Sunni-based organization CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) might be an example of such a group. However, Islamic groups or sects with the strictest thresholds, i.e., are least quick to condone lying, are the more intolerant and western-hating practitioners of Islam. Shia-dominant Iran might be of an example of this. Their President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the last string of Ayatollahs have certainly not been the kind of persons one has had to goad, "Tell me what you really think." It all begs the question, "In dealing with Islam, should we feel more comfortable dealing with... A.) those most-likely-to-lie-to-us groups or persons who say they want to be our friends, or ... B.) those most-likely-to-tell-us-the-truth groups or persons who say they want us wiped off the face of the earth?" Answer that question well and maybe you should run for President. (Refer to the left margin for additional Islamic endorsements, quotations, and justifications for lying and deception.) The practice of hudna Hudna is an Arabic term that technically translates into "calm" or "truce", as in a truce struck between two warring nations. But a hudna is not just any truce or ceasefire. A hudna is a "tactical truce" that has it's beginnings with Muhammad: In the year 628 AD, when surmising that his [Mohammed's] forces were too weak to overcome the rival Kuraysh tribes, the Prophet Mohammed concluded a ten-year truce accord with the Kuraysh. This agreement became known as the Hudaybiyya Accord, after the place where it was signed. Yet, less than two years later, having consolidated their power, the Muslim forces attacked the Kuraysh tribes and defeated them, allowing Mohammed to conquer the city of Mecca. Since that time, the term Hudna has been understood by Muslims as a tactical cease-fire that is intended only to allow a shift the balance of power. Once the balance of power has shifted, and the groundwork has been laid for a Muslim victory, the truce can then be broken. Hudna is the battlefield or political application of al-Taqiyya. It's purpose is to give the illusion of desiring peace while actively masking a rethinking, regrouping, or rearming when faced with a superior opponent. The above citation was from EmbassyofIsrael.org, obviously experienced in the typical course of Islamic ceasefires. Here is one from Omdurman.org on the same subject affirming a kind of deception that is fundamental to Islam: What is being touted as a 'cease-fire' is something called a 'hudna.' A hudna [also known as a hudibiyya or khudaibiya] is a tactical cease-fire that allows the Arabs to rebuild their terrorist infrastructure in order to be more effective when the "cease-fire" is called off. The awful short of it all The acceptance among Muslims that lying is permissible, encouraged, sometimes obligatory, and diversely applied, means one should be more cautious than usual when considering to trust them. I know that's a horrible blanket charge to make against any group of people. It's only tempered by the fact that all Muslims cannot agree on when and at what point one should start lying. How do we know which set of "lying circumstances" are acceptable to any given Muslim we may be speaking with? We could ask, but could we believe their answer? Consider the beginnings of Islam when a spiritual being is said to have confronted Muhammad in a dark cave. In that blackness, the being extolled the virtues of that which would become Islam. Muslims say that a lie to further Islam is acceptable, so by that reasoning there is no guarantee that the being didn't lie to Muhammad. It furthered Islam, did it not? If one can tell lies to further Islam, then there is no basis for believing anything good you're told about the religion. I'm not saying there's nothing good about it, I'm just pointing out the impossibility of trusting a system that openly embraces lying and falsehood as key doctrines. A consensus view among Muslims today, as much as there is one, is that all the world is a legitimate battlefield upon which Islam should compete and win out as the dominate worldview. No problem - most ideologies compete for dominance like that. But in this battlefield context, the doctrine of al-Taqiyya is justifiable in virtually every situation, and at least radical Muslims exercise it in exactly that way. Muslims may not all agree when to invoke al-Taqiyya, but they cannot deny that the whole world is an ideological field of battle. What ideology can claim to be moral AND declare the whole world combatants to whom they can unashamedly lie? Answer: Islam. These doctrines of strategic lying and deception, al-Taqiyya and hudna, showcase the dangerous nature of Islam as much as does the wife beating, honor killing, beheading, and other such practices that the religion embraces. The only thing positive about the doctrines is that they are so integral to the Qur'an and practice of Islam that they cannot be hidden. We know about them, and now knowing we can and should take them into account. Weigh very cautiously what Muslims and Muslim nations are telling us and trying to get us to believe, especially in regard to so-called peace treaties and treaties concerning nuclear weapons. Hadrat Ali said that in the battlefield one could not observe the highest standard of truth as a Muslim has been exhorted to do in matters of religion. For example in the battlefield one has to hide facts and outwit the enemy. - al-Islam.org, Hadith Sahih Muslim, Vol. 2, ft. #1446
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