Human Rights Watch : US: Redouble Efforts to Close Guantanamo Prison’s Eighth Anniver

Politics.be · 15 januari 2010, 20:40

President Obama made Guantanamo one of his signature issues when he pledged on his second day in office to close the detention facility within a year. Although he is missing that deadline, the administration should intensify its efforts to responsibly repatriate or prosecute those held and shut the prison as soon as possible. Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel

(New York) - The Obama administration should commemorate Guantanamo's eighth anniversary tomorrow by renewing its pledge to close the prison quickly and responsibly, Human Rights Watch said today. Prisoners implicated in crimes should be charged and brought to trial before federal courts, and the remainder should be sent home or resettled in other countries.

The United States brought the first 20 detainees, hooded and shackled, to the Guantanamo Bay Naval Station in Cuba, on January 11, 2002. Despite President Barack Obama's stated commitment to close the prison by January 2010, nearly 200 men remain, most of whom have never been charged with any crime.

"President Obama made Guantanamo one of his signature issues when he pledged on his second day in office to close the detention facility within a year," said Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel at Human Rights Watch. "Although he is missing that deadline, the administration should intensify its efforts to responsibly repatriate or prosecute those held and shut the prison as soon as possible."

In December, the Obama administration announced that it planned to transfer some detainees from Guantanamo to the Thomson Correctional Center, an Illinois state prison that the federal government intends to purchase.

While speeding the closure of Guantanamo, moving detainees to the United States for continued detention without charge would merely be bringing Guantanamo's fundamental failing to the US mainland, Human Rights Watch said.

"The US should stop relying on indefinite detention without charge, one of the practices that makes Guantanamo such a blight on America's reputation," Prasow said. "Should the administration continue to hold the detainees without charge, it will not be closing Guantanamo but moving the prison to Illinois."

Human Rights Watch said that the administration should not involuntarily repatriate detainees to countries where they are likely to be tortured, ill-treated, or detained indefinitely without charge, but rather find third countries willing to resettle them. Dozens of detainees from countries such as Algeria, Libya, and Tunisia, as well as several Uighurs from China, will need to be safely resettled in third countries.

Human Rights Watch expressed particular concern about Guantanamo's Yemeni detainees, who currently comprise nearly half of the detention center's population. Earlier this month, the Obama administration announced that it was halting returns to Yemen due to security concerns following the attempt by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to ignite an explosive mixture on a commercial jetliner on December 25. Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian, reportedly received training in Yemen.

Human Rights Watch urged the administration to charge the Yemenis implicated in crimes and work with the Yemeni government to safely repatriate or resettle in third countries the rest. It called on both the US and Yemen to provide released detainees with assistance to help them successfully reintegrate into society and make them less vulnerable to recruitment by militant groups. If necessary, Human Rights Watch said, Yemen or a third country could place restrictions on the detainees' movements to protect national security.

Human Rights Watch also urged the administration to prosecute Guantanamo detainees implicated in crimes in US federal courts rather than the discredited and inefficient military commissions. Federal courts have tried more than 200 terrorism cases since September 11, 2001; more than 90 percent of those cases have resulted in convictions.

"US federal courts have a long history of swiftly and fairly trying terrorism suspects," said Prasow. "The military commissions will never be viewed as credible and have only managed to secure three convictions in the past seven years."

Bron: politics.be

filosoof · 22 januari 2010, 21:13

Guantanamo group of 47 'should be held indefinitely'

The US has just missed a deadline to close the prison camp

A task force on the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay has advised that 47 inmates should be held indefinitely without trial, officials say.

It is thought to be the first time that officials have given a figure for those who might be held without charge.

Some 35 prisoners have been recommended for prosecution through trials or military commissions.

The news came as the deadline US President Barack Obama had set himself for closing the prison camp passed.

The task force, led by the US justice department, recommended that while 35 people could be prosecuted, 110 could be released either now or at a later date, unnamed officials said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8476075.stm

Rechtstaat, Grondwet, Conventie van Geneve, Mensenrechten?

Heeft Obama er wel iets over te zeggen of moet de president van de USA zich gewoon neerleggen bij de beslissingen van het Pentagon?

liberalist_NL · 22 januari 2010, 21:22

Kunnen de Fransen niet gewoon 'per ongeluk' een kernoefening op Guantanamo uitoefenen? Ik word een beetje moe van al dat gezeur.

Zeikstraal · 22 januari 2010, 22:18

The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle

(meer dan 1 trouwens)

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368

filosoof · 22 januari 2010, 22:23

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door liberalist_NL

Kunnen de Fransen niet gewoon 'per ongeluk' een kernoefening op Guantanamo uitoefenen? Ik word een beetje moe van al dat gezeur.

zoals de US Airforce per ongeluk de Franse ambasade in Tripoli en de Chinese ambasade in Belgrado bombardeerde?

Zeikstraal · 22 januari 2010, 22:25

Mensenrechten en immigratie:

Secrets of the Immigration Jails

Americans have long known that the government has been running secretive immigration prisons into which detainees have frequently disappeared, their grave illnesses and injuries untreated, their fates undisclosed until well after early and unnecessary deaths.

A detainee with a broken leg killed himself; his pain had been unbearable but never treated

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/opinion/20wed2.html

filosoof · 22 januari 2010, 22:29

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Zeikstraal

The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368
(meer dan 1 trouwens)

Citaat:

the president issued an executive order declaring that the extra-constitutional prison camp at Guantánamo Naval Base “shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than one year from the date of this order.”

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Obama

that the extra-constitutional prison camp at Guantánamo Naval Base “shall be closed as soon as practicable...."

de "no later than one year from the date of this order.” is dus zonder effect gebleven op het Pentagon.

Wie is daar de baas?

filosoof · 22 januari 2010, 22:41

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Zeikstraal

Mensenrechten en immigratie:

Secrets of the Immigration Jails

Americans have long known that the government has been running secretive immigration prisons into which detainees have frequently disappeared, their grave illnesses and injuries untreated, their fates undisclosed until well after early and unnecessary deaths.

A detainee with a broken leg killed himself; his pain had been unbearable but never treated

The Obama administration has since promised a top-to-bottom reform of the immense detention system, which was erected in sloppy haste during the Bush years, largely by private contractors that had dim regard for oversight and standards.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/opinion/20wed2.html
(vnl Wackenhut, indien mijn geheugen me niet in de steek laat)
Fameuze erfenis die G-W Bush liet... Een gewoon proces kan niet tegen een ex-president maar impeachment nog wel.

Johan Bollen · 22 januari 2010, 22:42

Deze mevrouw liet zich gebruiken voor wat pro-guantanamo propaganda. Gevraagd naar haar reaktie na haar bezoek aan guantanamo: "fue muy, muy divertido" (Het was heel plezant). Ze voegde eraan toe "Fue muy interesante" (het was interessant) en "el agua de la Bah�*a de Guantánamo es taaan hermosa. Fue incre�*ble y pudimos disfrutarla por lo menos por una hora". (het water in de baai is zooo mooi. Het was ongelofelijk, en we konden ervan genieten gedurende minstens 1 uur). Veel verder dan dat geraakte ze niet.

Dat werd dan in de media uitgespeeld. Ontertussen lopen er zeker Amerikanen en Europeanen rond die denken dat Guantanamo een afdeling is van club med of zo.

Ze is blijkbaar niet snuggerder dan dat ze er uit ziet op de foto, heb ik de neiging om te denken.

Stelt eigenlijk niet veel voor die titel van miss universe, en komt me meer en meer voor als een politiek spel.

Johan Bollen · 22 januari 2010, 23:57

Guantanamos zijn er meer dan 1.

Waar de media geen aandacht aan besteden:

Citaat:

The Bagram base, where 625 people are held without charges in wire mesh cages, has a notorious reputation of torture of humiliation of detainees.

Guantanamo two

filosoof · 23 januari 2010, 00:06

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen

Guantanamos zijn er meer dan 1.

Waar de media geen aandacht aan besteden:

Guantanamo two

Inderdaad: http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...60I4PZ20100119
http://www.reuters.com/search?blob=bagram
En dan alle gevangenen "ondergebracht bij bevriende naties":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition

De Washington Post nam zelfs de beslissing, de geheime plaatsen niet te vernoemen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraor...he_black_sites

Zeikstraal · 23 januari 2010, 00:11

Tot in Europa toe

Johan Bollen · 23 januari 2010, 00:20

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

En dan alle gevangenen "ondergebracht bij "bevriende naties"

Terwijl Ban Kee moon en de EU de sluiting van Guantanamo vragen denken sommige van die bevriende naties erover zelf 'Guantanamos' te bouwen voor illegale immigranten berichtte 'the independant'

The Calais ‘Guantanamo’

Citaat:

The creation of an "offshore, on-shore" holding centre, which helps London and Paris cut through the thickets of asylum law, may invite parallels with Guantanamo Bay.

filosoof · 23 januari 2010, 00:27

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen

Terwijl Ban Kee moon en de EU de sluiting van Guantanamo vragen denken sommige van die bevriende naties erover zelf 'Guantanamos' te bouwen voor illegale immigranten berichtte 'the independant'

The Calais ‘Guantanamo’

Gewoon onze eigen 127 (Melsbroek) & 127 bis (Steenokkerzeel) wordt uitgebreid:
http://blackliststeenokkerzeel.blogs...sloten_03.html

Johan Bollen · 23 januari 2010, 00:29

In Israël is er '1391', een geheime gevangenis waar ook meldingen van folteringen over zijn.

Citaat:

It has been removed from maps and airbrushed from aerial photographs. But Facility 1391 certainly exists - you just have to ask the Palestinians and Lebanese who have been imprisoned and tortured there. Chris McGreal reports

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/14/israel2

Secret but not forgotten - Israel's facility 1391

Citaat:

Facility 1391 has often been called "Israel's Guantanamo". However the situation there is even worse than in Guantanamo in at least one way. While the Red Cross has access to the notorious American detention centre, it has never been allowed to visit Facility 1391, neither has any other international organisation.

Johan Bollen · 23 januari 2010, 00:34

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Gewoon onze eigen 127 (Melsbroek) & 127 bis (Steenokkerzeel) wordt uitgebreid:
http://blackliststeenokkerzeel.blogs...sloten_03.html

De Britten en fransen denken eraan wetten te 'ontduiken'

Citaat:

The holding centre would potentially allow London and Paris to use the ambiguous status of the British "control zone" at Calais to send the migrants home.

filosoof · 23 januari 2010, 00:43

Gewoon eens googlen:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...s&start=0&sa=N

filosoof · 23 januari 2010, 00:45

“Wir haben es nicht gewusst, Wir haben es nicht gewusst, Wir haben es nicht gewusst,” over and over again. ...

filosoof · 23 januari 2010, 01:14

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Bollen

In Israël is er '1391', een geheime gevangenis waar ook meldingen van folteringen over zijn.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/14/israel2

Secret but not forgotten - Israel's facility 1391

Uit Israelische bron:

Citaat:

Facility 1391: Known as "Israel's Guantanamo," and with the same type of legal questions hanging over it.
Miki Kratsman

Inside Israel's secret prison
By Aviv Lavie
Detainees are blindfolded and kept in blackened cells, never told where they are, brutally interrogated and allowed no visitors of any kind. Dubbed 'the Israeli Guantanamo,' it's no wonder facility 1391 officially does not exist.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...ID=0&listSrc=Y

grievous · 23 januari 2010, 09:50

Die mannen die daar vastzitten,zijn gevaarlijk en mogen dus nooit vrijkomen.
De eenzijdige aandacht van sommigen voor de VS overtuigt niet.

15 januari 2010, 20:40	#1
Politics.be Redactie Geregistreerd: 27 november 2004 Berichten: 28.704	Human Rights Watch : US: Redouble Efforts to Close Guantanamo Prison’s Eighth Anniver President Obama made Guantanamo one of his signature issues when he pledged on his second day in office to close the detention facility within a year. Although he is missing that deadline, the administration should intensify its efforts to responsibly repatriate or prosecute those held and shut the prison as soon as possible. Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel (New York) - The Obama administration should commemorate Guantanamo's eighth anniversary tomorrow by renewing its pledge to close the prison quickly and responsibly, Human Rights Watch said today. Prisoners implicated in crimes should be charged and brought to trial before federal courts, and the remainder should be sent home or resettled in other countries. The United States brought the first 20 detainees, hooded and shackled, to the Guantanamo Bay Naval Station in Cuba, on January 11, 2002. Despite President Barack Obama's stated commitment to close the prison by January 2010, nearly 200 men remain, most of whom have never been charged with any crime. "President Obama made Guantanamo one of his signature issues when he pledged on his second day in office to close the detention facility within a year," said Andrea Prasow, senior counterterrorism counsel at Human Rights Watch. "Although he is missing that deadline, the administration should intensify its efforts to responsibly repatriate or prosecute those held and shut the prison as soon as possible." In December, the Obama administration announced that it planned to transfer some detainees from Guantanamo to the Thomson Correctional Center, an Illinois state prison that the federal government intends to purchase. While speeding the closure of Guantanamo, moving detainees to the United States for continued detention without charge would merely be bringing Guantanamo's fundamental failing to the US mainland, Human Rights Watch said. "The US should stop relying on indefinite detention without charge, one of the practices that makes Guantanamo such a blight on America's reputation," Prasow said. "Should the administration continue to hold the detainees without charge, it will not be closing Guantanamo but moving the prison to Illinois." Human Rights Watch said that the administration should not involuntarily repatriate detainees to countries where they are likely to be tortured, ill-treated, or detained indefinitely without charge, but rather find third countries willing to resettle them. Dozens of detainees from countries such as Algeria, Libya, and Tunisia, as well as several Uighurs from China, will need to be safely resettled in third countries. Human Rights Watch expressed particular concern about Guantanamo's Yemeni detainees, who currently comprise nearly half of the detention center's population. Earlier this month, the Obama administration announced that it was halting returns to Yemen due to security concerns following the attempt by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to ignite an explosive mixture on a commercial jetliner on December 25. Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian, reportedly received training in Yemen. Human Rights Watch urged the administration to charge the Yemenis implicated in crimes and work with the Yemeni government to safely repatriate or resettle in third countries the rest. It called on both the US and Yemen to provide released detainees with assistance to help them successfully reintegrate into society and make them less vulnerable to recruitment by militant groups. If necessary, Human Rights Watch said, Yemen or a third country could place restrictions on the detainees' movements to protect national security. Human Rights Watch also urged the administration to prosecute Guantanamo detainees implicated in crimes in US federal courts rather than the discredited and inefficient military commissions. Federal courts have tried more than 200 terrorism cases since September 11, 2001; more than 90 percent of those cases have resulted in convictions. "US federal courts have a long history of swiftly and fairly trying terrorism suspects," said Prasow. "The military commissions will never be viewed as credible and have only managed to secure three convictions in the past seven years." Bron: politics.be __________________ Politics.be - Jouw politieke portaalsite

22 januari 2010, 21:13	#2
filosoof Banneling Geregistreerd: 22 mei 2003 Locatie: Brussel Berichten: 49.496	Zijn de US een rechtstaat? Guantanamo group of 47 'should be held indefinitely' The US has just missed a deadline to close the prison camp A task force on the US prison camp at Guantanamo Bay has advised that 47 inmates should be held indefinitely without trial, officials say. It is thought to be the first time that officials have given a figure for those who might be held without charge. Some 35 prisoners have been recommended for prosecution through trials or military commissions. The news came as the deadline US President Barack Obama had set himself for closing the prison camp passed. The task force, led by the US justice department, recommended that while 35 people could be prosecuted, 110 could be released either now or at a later date, unnamed officials said. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8476075.stm Rechtstaat, Grondwet, Conventie van Geneve, Mensenrechten? Heeft Obama er wel iets over te zeggen of moet de president van de USA zich gewoon neerleggen bij de beslissingen van het Pentagon? Laatst gewijzigd door filosoof : 22 januari 2010 om 21:16.

22 januari 2010, 22:42	#9
Johan Bollen Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 11 januari 2008 Locatie: La Paz - Lanaken Berichten: 23.618	Deze mevrouw liet zich gebruiken voor wat pro-guantanamo propaganda. Gevraagd naar haar reaktie na haar bezoek aan guantanamo: "fue muy, muy divertido" (Het was heel plezant). Ze voegde eraan toe "Fue muy interesante" (het was interessant) en "el agua de la Bah�a de Guantánamo es taaan hermosa. Fue incre�ble y pudimos disfrutarla por lo menos por una hora". (het water in de baai is zooo mooi. Het was ongelofelijk, en we konden ervan genieten gedurende minstens 1 uur). Veel verder dan dat geraakte ze niet. Dat werd dan in de media uitgespeeld. Ontertussen lopen er zeker Amerikanen en Europeanen rond die denken dat Guantanamo een afdeling is van club med of zo. Ze is blijkbaar niet snuggerder dan dat ze er uit ziet op de foto, heb ik de neiging om te denken. Stelt eigenlijk niet veel voor die titel van miss universe, en komt me meer en meer voor als een politiek spel. Bijgevoegde miniaturen Laatst gewijzigd door Johan Bollen : 22 januari 2010 om 22:45.

22 januari 2010, 21:22	#3
liberalist_NL Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 16 januari 2006 Berichten: 28.141	Kunnen de Fransen niet gewoon 'per ongeluk' een kernoefening op Guantanamo uitoefenen? Ik word een beetje moe van al dat gezeur.

22 januari 2010, 22:18	#4
Zeikstraal Banneling Geregistreerd: 6 augustus 2009 Berichten: 2.798	The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle (meer dan 1 trouwens) http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368

22 januari 2010, 22:25	#6
Zeikstraal Banneling Geregistreerd: 6 augustus 2009 Berichten: 2.798	Mensenrechten en immigratie: Secrets of the Immigration Jails Americans have long known that the government has been running secretive immigration prisons into which detainees have frequently disappeared, their grave illnesses and injuries untreated, their fates undisclosed until well after early and unnecessary deaths. A detainee with a broken leg killed himself; his pain had been unbearable but never treated http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/opinion/20wed2.html

23 januari 2010, 00:11	#12
Zeikstraal Banneling Geregistreerd: 6 augustus 2009 Berichten: 2.798	Tot in Europa toe

23 januari 2010, 00:43	#17
filosoof Banneling Geregistreerd: 22 mei 2003 Locatie: Brussel Berichten: 49.496	Gewoon eens googlen: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...s&start=0&sa=N

23 januari 2010, 00:45	#18
filosoof Banneling Geregistreerd: 22 mei 2003 Locatie: Brussel Berichten: 49.496	“Wir haben es nicht gewusst, Wir haben es nicht gewusst, Wir haben es nicht gewusst,” over and over again. ...

23 januari 2010, 09:50	#20
grievous Banneling Geregistreerd: 16 januari 2009 Berichten: 2.060	Die mannen die daar vastzitten,zijn gevaarlijk en mogen dus nooit vrijkomen. De eenzijdige aandacht van sommigen voor de VS overtuigt niet.