Meerderheid Arabieren is Hezbollah beu

sodoirt · 19 juli 2006, 21:43

Khaled Abu Toameh

With the exception of the Palestinians, the Arab world appears to be united in blaming Iran and Syria for the fighting in Lebanon. Until last week, Arab political analysts and government officials were reluctant to criticize Hizbullah in public. But now that Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah and his top aides are in hiding, an anti-Hizbullah coalition is emerging not only in Lebanon, but in several other Arab countries as well.

The Palestinians and Hizbullah feel that their Arab brethren have once again turned their backs on them. On Monday, hundreds of Palestinians who marched in downtown Ramallah in support of Hizbullah chanted: "Hassan Nasrallah is our hero, the rest of the Arab leaders are cowards" and "O beloved Abu Hadi [Nasrallah's nickname], bomb, bomb Tel Aviv." The second battle cry is reminiscent of the famous slogan the Palestinians used during the first Gulf War: "O beloved Saddam, bomb, bomb Tel Aviv."

Hizbullah and their supporters were hoping that the massive Israeli military operation in Lebanon would trigger large-scale protests throughout the Arab world, creating instability and threatening to bring down some of the Arab regimes.

But the response on the Arab street has been so disappointing for Hizbullah that its leaders are now openly talking about an Arab "conspiracy" to liquidate the Shi'ite organization. The few Hizbullah supporters in Ramallah, the Gaza Strip and some Arab capitals have therefore been directing most of their criticism against the Arab presidents and monarchs, accusing them of serving the interests of the US and Israel.

The anti-Hizbullah coalition, which appears to be growing with every Israeli missile that drops on the heads of Hizbullah leaders and headquarters, is spearheaded by Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. These three countries, together with many Arab commentators and political analysts, are convinced that the leaders of Teheran and Damascus are using Hizbullah to divert attention from Iran's nuclear program and Syria's involvement in the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri.

The Saudis were the first to openly criticize Hizbullah, paving the way for other Arab countries to follow suit. The message coming out of these countries is that the Arabs and Muslims can't afford to allow an irresponsible and adventurous organization like Hizbullah to drag the region to war. Government spokesmen and officials, as well as prominent Arab editors and commentators, have shown no sympathy for Hizbullah while appearing on pan-Arab TV networks like Al-Jazeera and Abu Dhabi.

The Saudi position, which surprised Hizbullah and its supporters, was outlined by an anonymous official, who said that the people should distinguish between legitimate resistance and dangerous adventurism by some parties without cooperation from their governments and the Arab states.

The Saudi stand reflected the position of all the Gulf countries, which are unhappy not only with Hizbullah, but with Hamas as well. The Gulf countries are of the opinion that Hizbullah and Hamas are acting on orders from Teheran and Damascus.

That's why most Arab governments have refrained from making efforts to resolve the current crisis. As one government official in the Gulf explained: "We cannot play the role of mediators upon the request of some parties that act without taking into consideration the consequences of their actions." Similar sentiments have been reflected in a series of articles that appeared in the Arab media over the past few days. Some of the articles appear as if they had been written by Israeli government spokesmen. Ironically, the fact that Hizbullah and Hamas are now on the defensive has encouraged many Arabs to come out against the two groups in public.

Wadi Batti, an Iraqi columnist, said the Arabs should realize that militias and gangsters will only worsen their conditions. "The Lebanese example confirms the fears of Arabs about the presence of armed militias that threaten our stability and security," he wrote.

"By initiating the confrontation with Israel, Hizbullah has made a mockery of the Lebanese government and leaders, who are now seen as pawns in the hands of Nasrallah. How long will the Arabs continue to fight on behalf of Iran?"

Echoing the mood among most of his Lebanese fellow Christians, Joseph Bishara said: "Hizbullah is trying to provoke Israel into war to divert attention from the mistakes made by the Syrian and Iranian regimes. Bashar Assad and Ali Khamenei are using Hizbullah to achieve their direct and indirect goals in the region. They used Hizbullah to ease the pressure exerted by the international community on Syria and Iran.

"How can we ask Israel to have mercy on the Lebanese while Hizbullah is betraying Lebanon day and night?"

Bishara, whose article appeared on the Saudi-owned Elaph Web site, went as far as describing Syria and Iran as the real enemies of Lebanon. Today, he added, "Lebanon is paying the price for the sins of its real enemies - Syria and Iran, which don't dare confront Israel militarily and diplomatically. The time has come to neutralize and disarm Hizbullah before it becomes an illegitimate state inside Lebanon. Hizbullah's weapons threaten Lebanon's stability before they threaten Israel."

Tarek Hamo, another prominent Arab commentator, mocked Nasrallah, drawing parallels between him and ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. "The statements of Hassan Nasrallah remind me of the statements made by Saddam Hussein on the eve of the US invasion of Iraq," he said. "Saddam, whose army generals fled their positions in Baghdad just before the invasion, also issued threats to destroy the Americans if they entered Baghdad. Nasrallah is now in hiding and his fate won't be better than that of Saddam, whose was hiding in a deep hole."

Writing in the influential pan-Arab London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper, columnist Iyad Abu Shakra said that many Lebanese were surprised by the Hizbullah operation and the kidnapping of the two Israeli soldiers.

"They were especially shocked by the timing of the attack - at the beginning of the tourism season that was supposed to provide income for over two million Lebanese families at a time when Lebanon is suffering a $40 million deficit in its budget," he pointed out. "What's really amazing is that Hizbullah's supporters and officials have underestimated the damages, especially to the tourism sector, by claiming that the only ones who were going to benefit from the tourism season were those who love humous and women."

Trying to explain the Arab attitude, Palestinian political analyst Ashraf al-Ajrami noted that many Arab countries were afraid of Iran and did not want to see the Iranians spread their influence. "The Arab countries, particularly Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, believe that no party has the right to drag the entire region to a military confrontation with Israel," he wrote in the Ramallah-based Al-Ayyam daily.

"These countries believe that there is no room for mistakes and adventures. The Arabs are worried about Iran's plans in the region, especially with regards to Iraq and the development of nuclear weapons, and their attempts to influence events in Lebanon and Palestine. A large number of Arab countries, particularly in the Gulf, see Iran as a future adversary."
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Maar Khaled is een zeer belangrijke factor vergeten: Abou Jahjah, een paar vermeende antizionisten op dit forum en die marokkaanse maagdekens (misschien volgens de Koran, maar niet volgens Clinton?) die met hun vodden op eens op de pravda TV mochten pronken. Die zullen de arabische wereld wel terug in lichte laaie kunnen zetten

Flippend Rund · 19 juli 2006, 21:49

Het is misschien moeilijk te vatten voor jouw zwart/wit verstandje, maar iemand kan ZOWEL tegen de wandaden van Hezbollah als tegen de wandaden van Israel zijn.

Begrijp je dat, of moet ik het verder uitleggen?

sodoirt · 19 juli 2006, 21:50

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Flippend Rund

Het is misschien moeilijk te vatten voor jouw zwart/wit verstandje, maar iemand kan ZOWEL tegen de wandaden van Hezbollah als tegen de wandaden van Israel zijn.

Begrijp je dat, of moet ik het verder uitleggen?

begrijp jij dat dit over de arabische reacties op Hezbollah gaat en niets anders of moet ik het je komen uitleggen?

Chipie · 19 juli 2006, 21:50

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Flippend Rund

Het is misschien moeilijk te vatten voor jouw zwart/wit verstandje, maar iemand kan ZOWEL tegen de wandaden van Hezbollah als tegen de wandaden van Israel zijn.

Begrijp je dat, of moet ik het verder uitleggen?

Leg uit...

sodoirt · 19 juli 2006, 21:53

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door CHIPIE

Leg uit...

Daar zullen de vermeende "antizionisten" wel direct mee afkomen want deze thread, door zijn titel alleen, is al een doorn in hun ogen en toont aan dat ze hier niets anders doen dan leugens verkondigen. Maar ja antisemieten, neonazis en islamofascisten, allen zuivere leugenaars. Allah zal hen wel op tijd te pakken hebben

Sinistra · 19 juli 2006, 23:13

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Flippend Rund

Het is misschien moeilijk te vatten voor jouw zwart/wit verstandje, maar iemand kan ZOWEL tegen de wandaden van Hezbollah als tegen de wandaden van Israel zijn.

Begrijp je dat, of moet ik het verder uitleggen?

Kijk eerst maar eens in de spiegel Rund. Als je goed ziet zie je mss die Swastika in jouw hersenkronkel. Over zwart-wit denken gesproken...

ilfalco · 19 juli 2006, 23:18

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antisemieten, neonazis en islamofascisten, allen zuivere leugenaars.

idd één pot nat..

sodoirt · 19 juli 2006, 23:32

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door ilfalco

idd één pot nat..

En die gaat snel in damp overgaan
IAF fighter jets dropped over 20 tons in bombs late Wednesday night on a Hizbullah bunker, possibly the hiding place of the group's leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, in the Burj al-Arjana refugee camp in southeast Beirut. It was still unclear who was in the bunker at the time and what their fate was, but IDF sources said the bunker was totally destroyed and that all that was left was a crater.
The IDF obtained intelligence information late Wednesday night that Hizbullah leaders possibly including Nasrallah had taken refuge inside the bunker. A wave of aircraft immediately took to the air and dropped 23 tons of explosives on the bunker.
IDF sources would not confirm that Nasrallah was in the bunker at the time, but said that high-ranking Hizbullah leaders were inside, and that it appeared that the attack was successful.

Hopelijk voor de Abou Jahjah fans is hij daar nog niet aangekomen...

PollyCorrect · 20 juli 2006, 01:40

bumping
want deze wil ik morgen nog eens lezen

Metal Tom · 20 juli 2006, 07:37

Even het gebruik van termen terug op de rails zetten

Fascisme: staatssysteem dat de natie boven het individu stelt, en dat geweld, moderne propagandatechnieken en censuur gebruikt om politieke tegenstand de kop in te drukken. Vaak worden in een dergelijk systeem de economie en de maatschappij verregaand gereglementeerd en nationalisme en racisme (etnisch nationalisme) omhelsd. De term 'fascisme' is afkomstig van het Latijnse fascio, dat 'bundel' kan betekenen in de zin van een politieke groepering. Ook is er verwantschap met de Latijnse term fasces, het Romeinse symbool van autoriteit (een bundel staven met een bijlkop).

Toch vreemd dat dit verdacht veel wegheeft van wat Israël momenteel aan het doen is ...

En aan AntiDeutsch; ja hoor, ik ben een anti-zionist en een neonazi, is het nu goed?

Verregaande domheid en het gebruik van oogkleppen zou strafbaar moeten zijn.

Met dank aan Flippend Rund die blijkbaar ook nog wat genuanceerd denken kan toelaten

Gun · 22 juli 2006, 00:56

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Flippend Rund

Het is misschien moeilijk te vatten voor jouw zwart/wit verstandje, maar iemand kan ZOWEL tegen de wandaden van Hezbollah als tegen de wandaden van Israel zijn.

Begrijp je dat, of moet ik het verder uitleggen?

Voor een betrokken partij is dit inderdaad moeilijk te vatten.

Ik heb er op't werk met een aantal joodse (sommige Israëlische) collega's over gesproken en ook al zijn ze gematigd en tegen het gebruik van geweld, ze hebben het moeilijk met het feit dat ik zowel het Israëlische als het Hezbo-geweld afkeur.

De leefwereld is daar veel gepolariseerder dan hier, wit is wit en zwart is zwart, grijstinten zijn moeilijk te aanvaarden. De zenuwen staan steeds gespannen en de kleinste actie van de ene partij kan een enorme emotionele reactie teweeg brengen bij de andere en mondt dan algauw uit in geweld.

Racisme is een drijfveer ... It is a hard world to live in ...

solidarnosc · 22 juli 2006, 01:16

Men maakt de vergissing denk ik in dit artikel om de Arabische regimes aan Arabisch volk gelijk te stellen.

Chipie · 22 juli 2006, 10:13

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door solidarnosc

Men maakt de vergissing denk ik in dit artikel om de Arabische regimes aan Arabisch volk gelijk te stellen.

Zoals het Cubaanse regime met het Cabaanse volk?

kelt · 22 juli 2006, 11:42

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door sodoirt

"By initiating the confrontation with Israel, Hizbullah has made a mockery of the Lebanese government and leaders, who are now seen as pawns in the hands of Nasrallah. How long will the Arabs continue to fight on behalf of Iran?"

Mja.....dit kan heel goed een geldig argument zijn......

Wat jammer dan,dat de gehate Zionisten het vuile werk moeten opknappen...een werk dat,uiteindelijk,NIET opgeknapt zal zijn,maar wel veel ellende met zich mee aan het brengen is...

Hoe is het toch mogelijk dat dan Saddam Hoessein de enige Arabische leider geweest is die Iran frontaal aangepakt heeft,en er,feiltelijk,ook aan ten onder gegaan is...

Wat raar dat uit het geliefde Saoudi-Arabie ganse resems "vrijheidsstrijders" ontstaan zijn die in Afghanistan(buiten de Arabische wereld) gaan relschoppen zijn,en ondertussen binnen die wereld niet verder komen dat het massaal vermoorden van mede-Arabieren en omstaanders (zoals VS-soldaten) die in feite ook niks met Iran te maken hebben.....

19 juli 2006, 21:43	#1
sodoirt Banneling Geregistreerd: 26 juni 2004 Locatie: Brussel Berichten: 1.102	Meerderheid Arabieren is Hezbollah beu Khaled Abu Toameh With the exception of the Palestinians, the Arab world appears to be united in blaming Iran and Syria for the fighting in Lebanon. Until last week, Arab political analysts and government officials were reluctant to criticize Hizbullah in public. But now that Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah and his top aides are in hiding, an anti-Hizbullah coalition is emerging not only in Lebanon, but in several other Arab countries as well. The Palestinians and Hizbullah feel that their Arab brethren have once again turned their backs on them. On Monday, hundreds of Palestinians who marched in downtown Ramallah in support of Hizbullah chanted: "Hassan Nasrallah is our hero, the rest of the Arab leaders are cowards" and "O beloved Abu Hadi [Nasrallah's nickname], bomb, bomb Tel Aviv." The second battle cry is reminiscent of the famous slogan the Palestinians used during the first Gulf War: "O beloved Saddam, bomb, bomb Tel Aviv." Hizbullah and their supporters were hoping that the massive Israeli military operation in Lebanon would trigger large-scale protests throughout the Arab world, creating instability and threatening to bring down some of the Arab regimes. But the response on the Arab street has been so disappointing for Hizbullah that its leaders are now openly talking about an Arab "conspiracy" to liquidate the Shi'ite organization. The few Hizbullah supporters in Ramallah, the Gaza Strip and some Arab capitals have therefore been directing most of their criticism against the Arab presidents and monarchs, accusing them of serving the interests of the US and Israel. The anti-Hizbullah coalition, which appears to be growing with every Israeli missile that drops on the heads of Hizbullah leaders and headquarters, is spearheaded by Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan. These three countries, together with many Arab commentators and political analysts, are convinced that the leaders of Teheran and Damascus are using Hizbullah to divert attention from Iran's nuclear program and Syria's involvement in the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri. The Saudis were the first to openly criticize Hizbullah, paving the way for other Arab countries to follow suit. The message coming out of these countries is that the Arabs and Muslims can't afford to allow an irresponsible and adventurous organization like Hizbullah to drag the region to war. Government spokesmen and officials, as well as prominent Arab editors and commentators, have shown no sympathy for Hizbullah while appearing on pan-Arab TV networks like Al-Jazeera and Abu Dhabi. The Saudi position, which surprised Hizbullah and its supporters, was outlined by an anonymous official, who said that the people should distinguish between legitimate resistance and dangerous adventurism by some parties without cooperation from their governments and the Arab states. The Saudi stand reflected the position of all the Gulf countries, which are unhappy not only with Hizbullah, but with Hamas as well. The Gulf countries are of the opinion that Hizbullah and Hamas are acting on orders from Teheran and Damascus. That's why most Arab governments have refrained from making efforts to resolve the current crisis. As one government official in the Gulf explained: "We cannot play the role of mediators upon the request of some parties that act without taking into consideration the consequences of their actions." Similar sentiments have been reflected in a series of articles that appeared in the Arab media over the past few days. Some of the articles appear as if they had been written by Israeli government spokesmen. Ironically, the fact that Hizbullah and Hamas are now on the defensive has encouraged many Arabs to come out against the two groups in public. Wadi Batti, an Iraqi columnist, said the Arabs should realize that militias and gangsters will only worsen their conditions. "The Lebanese example confirms the fears of Arabs about the presence of armed militias that threaten our stability and security," he wrote. "By initiating the confrontation with Israel, Hizbullah has made a mockery of the Lebanese government and leaders, who are now seen as pawns in the hands of Nasrallah. How long will the Arabs continue to fight on behalf of Iran?" Echoing the mood among most of his Lebanese fellow Christians, Joseph Bishara said: "Hizbullah is trying to provoke Israel into war to divert attention from the mistakes made by the Syrian and Iranian regimes. Bashar Assad and Ali Khamenei are using Hizbullah to achieve their direct and indirect goals in the region. They used Hizbullah to ease the pressure exerted by the international community on Syria and Iran. "How can we ask Israel to have mercy on the Lebanese while Hizbullah is betraying Lebanon day and night?" Bishara, whose article appeared on the Saudi-owned Elaph Web site, went as far as describing Syria and Iran as the real enemies of Lebanon. Today, he added, "Lebanon is paying the price for the sins of its real enemies - Syria and Iran, which don't dare confront Israel militarily and diplomatically. The time has come to neutralize and disarm Hizbullah before it becomes an illegitimate state inside Lebanon. Hizbullah's weapons threaten Lebanon's stability before they threaten Israel." Tarek Hamo, another prominent Arab commentator, mocked Nasrallah, drawing parallels between him and ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. "The statements of Hassan Nasrallah remind me of the statements made by Saddam Hussein on the eve of the US invasion of Iraq," he said. "Saddam, whose army generals fled their positions in Baghdad just before the invasion, also issued threats to destroy the Americans if they entered Baghdad. Nasrallah is now in hiding and his fate won't be better than that of Saddam, whose was hiding in a deep hole." Writing in the influential pan-Arab London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper, columnist Iyad Abu Shakra said that many Lebanese were surprised by the Hizbullah operation and the kidnapping of the two Israeli soldiers. "They were especially shocked by the timing of the attack - at the beginning of the tourism season that was supposed to provide income for over two million Lebanese families at a time when Lebanon is suffering a $40 million deficit in its budget," he pointed out. "What's really amazing is that Hizbullah's supporters and officials have underestimated the damages, especially to the tourism sector, by claiming that the only ones who were going to benefit from the tourism season were those who love humous and women." Trying to explain the Arab attitude, Palestinian political analyst Ashraf al-Ajrami noted that many Arab countries were afraid of Iran and did not want to see the Iranians spread their influence. "The Arab countries, particularly Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, believe that no party has the right to drag the entire region to a military confrontation with Israel," he wrote in the Ramallah-based Al-Ayyam daily. "These countries believe that there is no room for mistakes and adventures. The Arabs are worried about Iran's plans in the region, especially with regards to Iraq and the development of nuclear weapons, and their attempts to influence events in Lebanon and Palestine. A large number of Arab countries, particularly in the Gulf, see Iran as a future adversary." --- Maar Khaled is een zeer belangrijke factor vergeten: Abou Jahjah, een paar vermeende antizionisten op dit forum en die marokkaanse maagdekens (misschien volgens de Koran, maar niet volgens Clinton?) die met hun vodden op eens op de pravda TV mochten pronken. Die zullen de arabische wereld wel terug in lichte laaie kunnen zetten Laatst gewijzigd door sodoirt : 19 juli 2006 om 21:48.

20 juli 2006, 07:37	#10
Metal Tom Parlementslid Geregistreerd: 7 juli 2006 Locatie: Hellgië Berichten: 1.588	Puntjes op de i Even het gebruik van termen terug op de rails zetten Fascisme: staatssysteem dat de natie boven het individu stelt, en dat geweld, moderne propagandatechnieken en censuur gebruikt om politieke tegenstand de kop in te drukken. Vaak worden in een dergelijk systeem de economie en de maatschappij verregaand gereglementeerd en nationalisme en racisme (etnisch nationalisme) omhelsd. De term 'fascisme' is afkomstig van het Latijnse fascio, dat 'bundel' kan betekenen in de zin van een politieke groepering. Ook is er verwantschap met de Latijnse term fasces, het Romeinse symbool van autoriteit (een bundel staven met een bijlkop). Toch vreemd dat dit verdacht veel wegheeft van wat Israël momenteel aan het doen is ... En aan AntiDeutsch; ja hoor, ik ben een anti-zionist en een neonazi, is het nu goed? Verregaande domheid en het gebruik van oogkleppen zou strafbaar moeten zijn. Met dank aan Flippend Rund die blijkbaar ook nog wat genuanceerd denken kan toelaten Laatst gewijzigd door Metal Tom : 20 juli 2006 om 07:40.

19 juli 2006, 21:49	#2
Flippend Rund Eur. Commissievoorzitter Geregistreerd: 22 februari 2004 Locatie: where the birds sing a pretty song Berichten: 8.389	Het is misschien moeilijk te vatten voor jouw zwart/wit verstandje, maar iemand kan ZOWEL tegen de wandaden van Hezbollah als tegen de wandaden van Israel zijn. Begrijp je dat, of moet ik het verder uitleggen?

20 juli 2006, 01:40	#9
PollyCorrect Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 11 april 2004 Berichten: 11.718	bumping want deze wil ik morgen nog eens lezen

22 juli 2006, 01:16	#12
solidarnosc Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 9 november 2002 Berichten: 20.910	Men maakt de vergissing denk ik in dit artikel om de Arabische regimes aan Arabisch volk gelijk te stellen.