free speech in practise

[vanderzapig]

De FBI speelde "moderator" voor Twitter, en stelde lijsten op van gebruikers die geen misdaad hadden begaan, maar gewoon de Twitter ToS *misschien* hadden overtreden:

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De FBI vroeg zonder enig gerechtelijk bevel "location information" van Twitter gebruikers, puur omdat die laatsten gebruik maakten van hun grondwettelijke vrijheid van meningsuiting:

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18.In an internal email from November 5, 2022, the FBI’s National Election Command Post, which compiles and sends on complaints, sent the SF field office a long list of accounts that “may warrant additional action”:

Dit alles komen we slechts te weten omdat Musk Twitter heeft opgekocht en besloot de vuile was buiten te hangen. We mogen er van uitgaan dat andere grote sociale media platformen vandaag een gelijkaardige relatie hebben met de FBI. Eerder zagen we al dat zowel Twitter als Facebook de Hunter Biden laptop onthullingen censureerden in de aanloop naar de verkiezingen, op basis van FBI & CIA leugens dat dit Russische desinformatie zou zijn:

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1. 50 prominente ex-CIA'ers schreven een open brief waarin ze de scoop van de New York Post over de gelekte inhoud van Hunter Biden zijn laptop wegzetten als Russische desinformatie.
   
   
2. Mark Zuckerberg vertelde eind oktober 2020 aan een senaatscommissie dat Facebook het NYPost artikel heeft gecensureerd omdat de FBI zijn bedrijf op voorhand had gewaarschuwd voor zogenaamde "hack-and-leak" operaties in de weken voor de presidentsverkiezingen.
   
   
3. Twee maanden later verklaarde Yoel Roth, op dat moment hoofd van Trust & Safety bij Twitter, hetzelfde aan de Federal Election Commission. Ook Twitter had waarschuwingen van de FBI over "hack-and-leak" operaties gekregen. En Roth verklaarde dat de FBI het expliciet over Hunter Biden had.

Een groep die dan weer jarenlang zijn gang kon gaan op Twitter, zonder dat de FBI er een poot naar uitstak, was Antifa. Zij konden ongestoord oproepen tot geweld op Twitter. Neem nu bijvoorbeeld Antifa Colorado Springs. Het was wachten op het Musk-tijdperk voordat dat account geband werd, door gewoon de ToS effectief toe te passen:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...37505020059648

@MrAndyNgo

Dec 17, 2022

Breaking: @COSAntiFascists, the Colorado Springs cell of #Antifa, has been suspended on Twitter. The account has operated for years instructing comrades to assault people & directing members to get the home addresses, phone numbers of targets. It had 15k followers.

[Voltian]

vdzapig, kunt ge misschien effe samenvatten waar ik precies verontwaardigd over zou moeten zijn?

[vanderzapig]

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vdzapig, kunt ge misschien effe samenvatten waar ik precies verontwaardigd over zou moeten zijn?

Samenvatting: https://forum.politics.be/showthread...7#post10085377

[Dadeemelee]

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vdzapig, kunt ge misschien effe samenvatten waar ik precies verontwaardigd over zou moeten zijn?

De politie leest mee op forums. Wie had dat ooit durven denken?

[vanderzapig]

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De politie leest mee op forums. Wie had dat ooit durven denken?

Dat is niet de clou van wat er in die post staat hee.

De politie:

1. liegt over de herkomst van nieuwsberichten die één specifieke presidentskandidaat in nauwe schoentjes brengen
2. gebruikt de leugens uit punt 1 om sociale media platformen zover te krijgen dat ze die nieuwsberichten censureren in de aanloop naar de verkiezingen
3. speelt moderator op twitter zonder dat de berichten in kwestie (vaak humor, satire en sarcasme) de wet overtreden
4. vraagt doodleuk locatie gegevens van gebruikers aan twitter zonder gerechtelijk bevel
5. slaapt op beide oren wanneer commie knokploegen twitter gebruiken om gewelddadige acties te organiseren

[hamac]

[hamac]

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Geen woord over TikTok natuurlijk. Owned by the CCP.

[LadyM]

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De FBI speelde "moderator" voor Twitter, en stelde lijsten op van gebruikers die geen misdaad hadden begaan, maar gewoon de Twitter ToS *misschien* hadden overtreden:....

Ik haat FBI. Subtiliteit hoeft niet meer. Die gaan zwaar hun boekje te buiten als de nouveaux fascisten. En als het bij lezen en rapporteren zou blijven tot daar toe... nee, men gaat je accounts zodanig ambeteren dat je ze afsluit. Fascistic mission accomplished.

[LadyM]

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Ik wel. Want het zijn onze nazi's en fascisten

Dat zijn halve russen...

[Jay-P.]

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Dat zijn halve russen...

Klopt.
Net zoals de Ashkenazi's.

[Knuts]

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Blijkbaar al teruggedraaid. (Al werken links naar mastodon nog altijd niet).

Nu heeft Musk een peiling geplaatst: "Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll."

"Yes" leidt voorlopig met 57%.

Wie zal hem vervangen? Ik stem alvast op John Mastodon!

[Dadeemelee]

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Blijkbaar al teruggedraaid. (Al werken links naar mastodon nog altijd niet).

Nu heeft Musk een peiling geplaatst: "Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll."

"Yes" leidt voorlopig met 57%.

Wie zal hem vervangen? Ik stem alvast op John Mastodon!

Lol, Musk wordt weggestemd in zijn eigen poll. Nu gaat hij de regels voor stemmen wijzigen. Typisch MAGA.

https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20221220_93049928

Twitter laat voortaan alleen betalende abonnees stemmen over belangrijke beslissingen over het beleid van het socialemediabedrijf. Dat was een van de eerste boodschappen die topman Elon Musk via het platform de wereld in stuurde nadat in een Twitter-peiling de meerderheid voor zijn aftreden had gestemd.

“Twitter zal die aanpassing maken”, antwoordde Musk op het voorstel van de onbekende twitteraar ‘Unfiltered Boss’ om voortaan alleen klanten van de betalende dienst Twitter Blue te laten stemmen. De miljardair beloofde eerder nog om polls op het platform te houden over het beleid bij Twitter.

Musk heeft nog niet gereageerd op de uitkomst van de poll waarin hij vroeg of hij moest blijven of vertrekken als topman van Twitter. Ruim 10 miljoen mensen, oftewel 57,5 procent van alle stemmers, willen hem weg.

[hamac]

Trololoo

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...to-track-musk/

...
But so far, police told The Washington Post, there’s “no evidence to suggest the man police were investigating had used the jet-tracking account.” The Post also found no evidence that either of Musk’s kids were in the car when the incident occurred. Police told The Post that no arrests had been made, and no crime reports had been filed by Musk or his security team.
...

Zoals ik al zei, Musk liegt veel.
Er is nochtans een eenvoudige manier om te weten wanneer hij liegt. Hij heeft de neiging zijn lippen te bewegen wanneer hij liegt.

[patrickve]

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Trololoo

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...to-track-musk/



Zoals ik al zei, Musk liegt veel.
Er is nochtans een eenvoudige manier om te weten wanneer hij liegt. Hij heeft de neiging zijn lippen te bewegen wanneer hij liegt.

Ik denk dat de man politieke ambities begint te krijgen, en zich aan het inleven is in dat wereldje

De Croo geeft 't schijnt bijlessen ?

[vanderzapig]

Wat voorafging: deel 1, deel 2, deel 3, deel 4, deel 5 en deel 6

Supplement bij deel 6:

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1604613292491538432

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...491538432.html

_______________

1.THREAD: Twitter Files Supplemental

2.In July of 2020, San Francisco FBI agent Elvis Chan tells Twitter executive Yoel Roth to expect written questions from the Foreign Influence Task Force (FITF), the inter-agency group that deals with cyber threats.



3.The questionnaire authors seem displeased with Twitter for implying, in a July 20th “DHS/ODNI/FBI/Industry briefing,” that “you indicated you had not observed much recent activity from official propaganda actors on your platform.”



4.One would think that would be good news. The agencies seemed to feel otherwise.

5.Chan underscored this: “There was quite a bit of discussion within the USIC to get clarifications from your company,” he wrote, referring to the United States Intelligence Community.

6.The task force demanded to know how Twitter came to its unpopular conclusion. Oddly, it included a bibliography of public sources - including a Wall Street Journal article - attesting to the prevalence of foreign threats, as if to show Twitter they got it wrong.

7.Roth, receiving the questions, circulated them with other company executives, and complained that he was “frankly perplexed by the requests here, which seem more like something we'd get from a congressional committee than the Bureau.”



8.He added he was not “comfortable with the Bureau (and by extension the IC) demanding written answers.” The idea of the FBI acting as conduit for the Intelligence Community is interesting, given that many agencies are barred from domestic operations.

9.He then sent another note internally, saying the premise of the questions was “flawed,” because “we've been clear that official state propaganda is definitely a thing on Twitter.” Note the italics for emphasis.



10.Roth suggested they “get on the phone with Elvis ASAP and try to straighten this out,” to disabuse the agencies of any notion that state propaganda is not a “thing” on Twitter.

11.This exchange is odd among other things because some of the “bibliography” materials cited by the FITF are sourced to intelligence officials, who in turn cited the public sources.

12.The FBI responded to Friday’s report by saying it “regularly engages with private sector entities to provide information specific to identified foreign malign influence actors’ subversive, undeclared, covert, or criminal activities.”



13.That may be true, but we haven’t seen that in the documents to date. Instead, we’ve mostly seen requests for moderation involving low-follower accounts belonging to ordinary Americans – and Billy Baldwin.

14.Watch @BariWeiss and @ShellenbergerMD for more from the Twitter Files.

[gunter5148]

NEEEE, riepen de fascisten. op TWITTER wordt niet gecensureerd, geshadowbanned en dies meer. Die computer van crackpot biden was gehacked, en dat maaaaaag nieeeet. En russische grieten hebben echt wel over orange man bad zijne kop gepist.

Al diegene die anders zeggen zijn samenzweringstheoristen.

Tot het feiten en leugens blijken te zijn.

We zien nu hoe de fascisten vals-spelen, en hoe fascisten-lovers het goed trachten te praten.

Het voordeel is, als de fascisten nog eens roepen, DAT IS EEN SAMENZWERINGSTHEORIE, dan roep je gewoon terug; TWITTER.

[Dadeemelee]

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NEEEE, riepen de fascisten. op TWITTER wordt niet gecensureerd, geshadowbanned en dies meer. Die computer van crackpot biden was gehacked, en dat maaaaaag nieeeet. En russische grieten hebben echt wel over orange man bad zijne kop gepist.

Al diegene die anders zeggen zijn samenzweringstheoristen.

Tot het feiten en leugens blijken te zijn.

We zien nu hoe de fascisten vals-spelen, en hoe fascisten-lovers het goed trachten te praten.

Het voordeel is, als de fascisten nog eens roepen, DAT IS EEN SAMENZWERINGSTHEORIE, dan roep je gewoon terug; TWITTER.

Is modereren dan censureren?

[gunter5148]

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Is modereren dan censureren?

Ja. En’t was zelfs niet modereren.

[hamac]

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Trololoo

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...to-track-musk/



Zoals ik al zei, Musk liegt veel.
Er is nochtans een eenvoudige manier om te weten wanneer hij liegt. Hij heeft de neiging zijn lippen te bewegen wanneer hij liegt.

Bijkomende twist....

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...lker-rcna62664

"In a Tuesday statement, police in South Pasadena said that the incident involved a member of Musk's security team, whose vehicle hit the car of a man he alleged was following him.

The police called the security team member a "suspect." They did not say what crimes they suspected him of committing, but said they were investigating a report of "an assault with a deadly weapon involving a vehicle.

Musk's description of the incident was different. Last week, in justifying his decision to ban the Twitter account @ElonJet, which publishes the location of his private airplane, Musk said that a "stalker" had used location information from the account to follow and confront a car carrying one of his children. "

O, heb ik al gezegd dat Musk veel liegt?

[vanderzapig]

Wat voorafging: deel 1, deel 2, deel 3, deel 4, deel 5, deel 6 en supplement

Deel 7:

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/...71630613753856

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...613753856.html

_______________

1. TWITTER FILES: PART 7

The FBI & the Hunter Biden Laptop

How the FBI & intelligence community discredited factual information about Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealings both after and *before* The New York Post revealed the contents of his laptop on October 14, 2020


In Twitter Files #6, we saw the FBI relentlessly seek to exercise influence over Twitter, including over its content, its users, and its data.

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1603857534737072128


In Twitter Files #7, we present evidence pointing to an organized effort by representatives of the intelligence community (IC), aimed at senior executives at news and social media companies, to discredit leaked information about Hunter Biden before and after it was published.


The story begins in December 2019 when a Delaware computer store owner named John Paul (J.P.) Mac Isaac contacts the FBI about a laptop that Hunter Biden had left with him

On Dec 9, 2019, the FBI issues a subpoena for, and takes, Hunter Biden's laptop.

Smoking-gun email reveals how Hunter Biden introduced Ukrainian businessman to VP dad









By Aug 2020, Mac Isaac still had not heard back from the FBI, even though he had discovered evidence of criminal activity. And so he emails Rudy Giuliani, who was under FBI surveillance at the time. In early Oct, Giuliani gives it to @nypost

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-...iz-man-to-dad/


Shortly before 7 pm ET on October 13, Hunter Biden’s lawyer, George Mesires, emails JP Mac Isaac.

Hunter and Mesires had just learned from the New York Post that its story about the laptop would be published the next day.




7. At 9:22 pm ET (6:22 PT), FBI Special Agent Elvis Chan sends 10 documents to Twitter’s then-Head of Site Integrity, Yoel Roth, through Teleporter, a one-way communications channel from the FBI to Twitter.




8. The next day, October 14, 2020, The New York Post runs its explosive story revealing the business dealings of President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter. Every single fact in it was accurate.




9. And yet, within hours, Twitter and other social media companies censor the NY Post article, preventing it from spreading and, more importantly, undermining its credibility in the minds of many Americans.

Why is that? What, exactly, happened?


10. On Dec 2, @mtaibbi described the debate inside Twitter over its decision to censor a wholly accurate article.

Since then, we have discovered new info that points to an organized effort by the intel community to influence Twitter & other platforms

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598822959866683394


11. First, it's important to understand that Hunter Biden earned *tens of millions* of dollars in contracts with foreign businesses, including ones linked to China's government, for which Hunter offered no real work.
Here's an overview by investigative journalist @peterschweizer

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/...78404486017026


12. And yet, during all of 2020, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies repeatedly primed Yoel Roth to dismiss reports of Hunter Biden’s laptop as a Russian “hack and leak” operation.

This is from a sworn declaration by Roth given in December 2020.

https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7827/7827_08.pdf




13. They did the same to Facebook, according to CEO Mark Zuckerberg. “The FBI basically came to us [and] was like, ‘Hey... you should be on high alert. We thought that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in 2016 election. There's about to be some kind of dump similar to that.'"

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/...80181906116608


14. Were the FBI warnings of a Russian hack-and-leak operation relating to Hunter Biden based on *any* new intel?

No, they weren't

“Through our investigations, we did not see any similar competing intrusions to what had happened in 2016,” admitted FBI agent Elvis Chan in Nov.










15. Indeed, Twitter executives *repeatedly* reported very little Russian activity.

E.g., on Sept 24, 2020, Twitter told FBI it had removed 345 “largely inactive” accounts “linked to previous coordinated Russian hacking attempts.” They “had little reach & low follower accounts."




16. In fact, Twitter debunked false claims by journalists of foreign influence on its platform

"We haven’t seen any evidence to support that claim” by @oneunderscore__ @NBC News of foreign-controlled bots.

“Our review thus far shows a small-scale domestic troll effort…”






17. After FBI asks about a WaPo story on alleged foreign influence in a pro-Trump tweet, Twitter's Roth says, "The article makes a lot of insinuations... but we saw no evidence that that was the case here (and in fact, a lot of strong evidence pointing in the other direction).”






18. It's not the first time that Twitter's Roth has pushed back against the FBI. In January 2020, Roth resisted FBI efforts to get Twitter to share data outside of the normal search warrant process.






19. Pressure had been growing:

“We have seen a sustained (If uncoordinated) effort by the IC [intelligence community] to push us to share more info & change our API policies. They are probing & pushing everywhere they can (including by whispering to congressional staff).”




20. Time and again, FBI asks Twitter for evidence of foreign influence & Twitter responds that they aren’t finding anything worth reporting.

“[W]e haven’t yet identified activity that we’d typically refer to you (or even flag as interesting in the foreign influence context).”






21. Despite Twitter’s pushback, the FBI repeatedly requests information from Twitter that Twitter has already made clear it will not share outside of normal legal channels.




22. Then, in July 2020, the FBI’s Elvis Chan arranges for temporary Top Secret security clearances for Twitter executives so that the FBI can share information about threats to the upcoming elections.




23. On August 11, 2020, the FBI's Chan shares information with Twitter's Roth relating to the Russian hacking organization, APT28, through the FBI's secure, one-way communications channel, Teleporter.




24. Recently, Yoel Roth told @karaswisher that he had been primed to think about the Russian hacking group APT28 before news of the Hunter Biden laptop came out.

When it did, Roth said, "It set off every single one of my finely tuned APT28 hack-and-leap campaign alarm bells."

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/...92289800605697


25. In Aug, 2020, FBI’s Chan asks Twitter: does anyone there have top secret clearance?

When someone mentions Jim Baker, Chan responds, "I don't know how I forgot him" — an odd claim, given Chan's job is to monitor Twitter, not to mention that they worked together at the FBI.






26. Who is Jim Baker? He's former general counsel of the FBI (2014-18) & one of the most powerful men in the U.S. intel community.

Baker has moved in and out of government for 30 years, serving stints at CNN, Bridgewater (a $140 billion asset management firm) and Brookings










27. As general counsel of the FBI, Baker played a central role in making the case internally for an investigation of Donald Trump

FBI Took Michael Sussmann’s Allegation of Trump-Russia Ties Seriously, Former Official Testifies


28. Baker wasn't the only senior FBI exec. involved in the Trump investigation to go to Twitter.

Dawn Burton, the former dep. chief of staff to FBI head James Comey, who initiated the investigation of Trump, joined Twitter in 2019 as director of strategy.


29. As of 2020, there were so many former FBI employees — "Bu alumni" — working at Twitter that they had created their own private Slack channel and a crib sheet to onboard new FBI arrivals.




30. Efforts continued to influence Twitter's Yoel Roth.

In Sept 2020, Roth participated in an Aspen Institute “tabletop exercise” on a potential "Hack-and-Dump" operation relating to Hunter Biden

The goal was to shape how the media covered it — and how social media carried it










31. The organizer was Vivian Schiller, the fmr CEO of NPR, fmr head of news at Twitter; fmr Gen. mgr of NY Times; fmr Chief Digital Officer of NBC News

Attendees included Meta/FB's head of security policy and the top nat. sec. reporters for @nytimes @wapo and others




32. By mid-Sept, 2020, Chan & Roth had set up an encrypted messaging network so employees from FBI & Twitter could communicate.

They also agree to create a “virtual war room” for “all the [Internet] industry plus FBI and ODNI” [Office of the Director of National Intelligence].






33. Then, on Sept 15, 2020 the FBI’s Laura Dehmlow, who heads up the Foreign Influence Task Force, and Elvis Chan, request to give a classified briefing for Jim Baker, without any other Twitter staff, such as Yoel Roth, present.




34. On Oct 14, shortly after @NYPost publishes its Hunter Biden laptop story, Roth says, “it isn’t clearly violative of our Hacked Materials Policy, nor is it clearly in violation of anything else," but adds, “this feels a lot like a somewhat subtle leak operation.”




35. In response to Roth, Baker repeatedly insists that the Hunter Biden materials were either faked, hacked, or both, and a violation of Twitter policy. Baker does so over email, and in a Google doc, on October 14 and 15.








36. And yet it's inconceivable Baker believed the Hunter Biden emails were either fake or hacked. The @nypost had included a picture of the receipt signed by Hunter Biden, and an FBI subpoena showed that the agency had taken possession of the laptop in December 2019.








37. As for the FBI, it likely would have taken a few *hours* for it to confirm that the laptop had belonged to Hunter Biden. Indeed, it only took a few days for journalist @peterschweizer to prove it.

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/...03049339604994


38. By 10 am, Twitter execs had bought into a wild hack-and-dump story

“The suggestion from experts - which rings true - is there was a hack that happened separately, and they loaded the hacked materials on the laptop that magically appeared at a repair shop in Delaware”




39. At 3:38 pm that same day, October 14, Baker arranges a phone conversation with Matthew J. Perry in the Office of the General Counsel of the FBI




40. The influence operation persuaded Twitter execs that the Hunter Biden laptop did *not* come from a whistleblower.

One linked to a Hill article, based on a WaPo article, from Oct 15, which falsely suggested that Giuliani’s leak of the laptop had something to do with Russia.








41. There is evidence that FBI agents have warned elected officials of foreign influence with the primary goal of leaking the information to the news media. This is a political dirty trick used to create the perception of impropriety.


42. In 2020, the FBI gave a briefing to Senator Grassley and Johnson, claiming evidence of “Russian interference” into their investigation of Hunter Biden.

The briefing angered the Senators, who say it was done to discredit their investigation.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/imo/...0_briefing.pdf


43. “The unnecessary FBI briefing provided the Democrats and liberal media the vehicle to spread their false narrative that our work advanced Russian disinformation.”










44. Notably, then-FBI General Counsel Jim Baker was investigated *twice,* in 2017 and 2019, for leaking information to the news media.

“You’re saying he’s under criminal investigation? That’s why you’re not letting him answer?” Meadows asked.

“Yes”

Ex-FBI general counsel faced criminal leak probe


45. In the end, the FBI's influence campaign aimed at executives at news media, Twitter, & other social media companies worked: they censored & discredited the Hunter Biden laptop story.

By Dec. 2020, Baker and his colleagues even sent a note of thanks to the FBI for its work.




46. The FBI’s influence campaign may have been helped by the fact that it was paying Twitter millions of dollars for its staff time.

“I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019!” reports an associate of Jim Baker in early 2021.




47. And the pressure from the FBI on social media platforms continues

In Aug 2022, Twitter execs prepared for a meeting with the FBI, whose goal was “to convince us to produce on more FBI EDRs"

EDRs are an “emergency disclosure request,” a warrantless search.




In response to the Twitter Files revelation of high-level FBI agents at Twitter, @Jim_Jordan said, “I have concerns about whether the government was running a misinformation operation on We the People.”

Twitter’s top ranks riddled with ex-FBI employees


Anyone who reads the Twitter Files, regardless of their political orientation, should share those concerns.

/END