De grote 9/11 topic

[atmosphere]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

Alee, draai nog maar eens rond de pot.
Zoals Micele zegt, aluminium is uit te sluiten. Zelfs NIST doet het.
Jullie aluhoedjes-verhaal klopt langs geen kanten

"NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius (900 degrees Fahrenheit) and 640 degrees Celsius (1,200 degrees Fahrenheit)—depending on the particular alloy—well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning."

Dat zegt NIST

[atmosphere]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Micele

NIST sluit aluminium uit.

Welke site heeft u dat wijsgemaakt ?
Controleer de bronnen zelf eens een keer en ga niet af op het bekende:
"according to the official story ..................." op complot sites, want vaak gaat
men daar al de mist in .

[Frank51]

Ongelooflijk eigenlijk.
Atmosphere, Parcifal, Dixie, Scorpio, kiko...
Allemaal agentjes of vrijmetselaars. Ik kan niets anders bedenken.

Ooit heb ik aan een dokter in de Fysica gevraagd wat hij vond van de instorting van WTC7. "RAAR" vond hij dat. Maar meer zocht hij er niet naar. "De kelder en funderingen zullen enorm beschadigd geweest zijn zodat het instortte"
Zie je? Totaal geen opzoekingswerk gedaan, maar in zijn hoofd weet hij de waarheid.

Iets dat "raar" is, zonder zich vragen te stellen en verder op zoek te gaan is achterlijk.

Stel, jouw vrouw was de hele dag thuis en je komt thuis van jouw werk. Je merkt een volgeschoten condoom op die op het salontafel ligt. Ga je dan ook zeggen: "RAAR"????
"Och ja, dat is een vreemde neusdoek"?

Jongens toch...

1 van deze : Atmosphere, Parcifal, Dixie, Scorpio of kiko
PM me met jullie waarheid en wat je hier feitelijk komt doen. Dit kan zo niet verder.
Als 2 partijen mijlenver uit elkaar liggen en constant zitten te bekvechten klopt er iets niet. Een grijze zone bestaat niet. Je kan twijfelen, maar uiteindelijk vind je de waarheid als je de wil hebt die te zoeken.

[Frank51]

En het is een waarheid als een koe:
IEDEREEN stond ooit aan de kant van het officiële verhaal.
Eens je de weg naar de overkant overstoken hebt, is het moeilijk terug te keren, hoe hard je ook je best doet. Als ik een dipje heb en begin te twijfelen, roept WTC7 me terug naar die ene, niet-officiële kant.

Mensen die nog niet eens de moeite gedaan hebben om zich in te leven aan de andere kant of eens nadenken over de 'rariteiten' van die dag, zijn niet goed bezig

[Frank51]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

Welke site heeft u dat wijsgemaakt ?
Controleer de bronnen zelf eens een keer en ga niet af op het bekende:
"according to the official story ..................." op complot sites, want vaak gaat
men daar al de mist in .

Het is aluminium!
Luister goed naar deze kerel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

Just once walk through this one & this one & this one & ... when executed just show us a list of your well elaborated messages ...

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Scorpio

Behalve dan dat NIST het absoluut NIET doet. Zij zeggen juist dat het naar alle waarschijnlijkheid WEL aluminium was. Jullie eigen vriendje Akufen citeert hen hier verdorie!

NIST on purpose forgot the core columns in its simulation ... they might have forgotten other things too

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

Allemaal agentjes of vrijmetselaars. Ik kan niets anders bedenken.

Allee echt meen je dit nu je kan niet anders, dit is je standaard verhaaltje, het zijn agenten en/of vrijmetselaars. Zou je niet eens bewijzen geven ipv steeds belachelijke troefer verhaaltjes te blijven herhalen die in deze topic al tig keer zijn gedebunked.

[Drosamadaris]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

Ongelooflijk eigenlijk.
Atmosphere, Parcifal, Dixie, Scorpio, kiko...
Allemaal agentjes of vrijmetselaars. Ik kan niets anders bedenken.

Lol

[Dixie]

de volgende pinNar Kloon gaat vliegen dankzij mijn loge broeder van de moderatie...

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

Het is aluminium!
Luister goed naar deze kerel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws

Rudy Dent, 32 year veteran of NYC fire department and the NYPD, about his incredible first hand experience of the lies surrounding WTC 7.

Mooie oprechte getuigenis.

Naja van hoogst-geloofwaardige getuigen doen de denials in hun broek, het loopt al over hun schoenen...

[Scorpio]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

Ongelooflijk eigenlijk.
Atmosphere, Parcifal, Dixie, Scorpio, kiko...
Allemaal agentjes of vrijmetselaars. Ik kan niets anders bedenken.

Ooit heb ik aan een dokter in de Fysica gevraagd wat hij vond van de instorting van WTC7. "RAAR" vond hij dat. Maar meer zocht hij er niet naar. "De kelder en funderingen zullen enorm beschadigd geweest zijn zodat het instortte"
Zie je? Totaal geen opzoekingswerk gedaan, maar in zijn hoofd weet hij de waarheid.

Iets dat "raar" is, zonder zich vragen te stellen en verder op zoek te gaan is achterlijk.

Stel, jouw vrouw was de hele dag thuis en je komt thuis van jouw werk. Je merkt een volgeschoten condoom op die op het salontafel ligt. Ga je dan ook zeggen: "RAAR"????
"Och ja, dat is een vreemde neusdoek"?

Jongens toch...

1 van deze : Atmosphere, Parcifal, Dixie, Scorpio of kiko
PM me met jullie waarheid en wat je hier feitelijk komt doen. Dit kan zo niet verder.
Als 2 partijen mijlenver uit elkaar liggen en constant zitten te bekvechten klopt er iets niet. Een grijze zone bestaat niet. Je kan twijfelen, maar uiteindelijk vind je de waarheid als je de wil hebt die te zoeken.

Ik kan wel iets anders bedenken hoor: jij hebt professionele hulp nodig. Dringend. En dat meen ik.

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

Luister goed naar deze kerel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws

Rudy Dent, 32 year veteran of NYC fire department and the NYPD, about his incredible first hand experience of the lies surrounding WTC 7.

Ron Winters

This man speaks truth to power.
I can only hope that the real architects of this false flag operation get tried for treason.


mrhyde2484
Anyone who cannot see that 911 was a false flag is simply an idiot imho. It's not even hard to see. I can't believe one person believes the official story, not to mention millions. When the US public is so easily manipulated and brainwashed, no wonder the country is such a mess.



The 9/11 Commission Report is no better than a 571 page lie.

Euh ze zeggen het meestal zelf...

Many people, as well as the mainstream media view the 9/11 Commission as the "last word", regarding the attacks. The following information and commentary comes from Commission members and other officials, and puts a very different light on the character of the "investigation", which both the Bush and Obama Administrations claim to be the definitive story and analysis of the most heinous atrocity ever committed on US soil.

Here are 36 aspects of the 9/11 Commission that run counter to what we would have expected of an inquiry IF the attacks were a genuine act of foreign terrorism. (Quotations from officials are highlighted in blue)

(1) The Bush Administration refused to authorize any inquiry for 441 days (a most extraordinarily unexpected non-reaction). Once the inquiry was authorized with extreme reluctance on the part of the Bush White House, they promised it would be the fullest investigation "no stones to be left unturned". Unfortunately, according to the most senior Commissioners, this was far from the case.

(2) The Bush White House did everything in its power to derail an open inquiry. Then, when faced with its inevitability, the president and his aides sought to limit its scope, its time, its access and its funding.

(3) John Farmer, the lead counsel to the Commission, claims that the greater part of the Commission's findings "are untrue". He also states: “The Commission's co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation". Indeed, they said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements".

and

* "It's almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at FAA's New York Center on the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened". John Farmer, Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission.

and

* "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described… The tapes told a radically different story from what has been told to us (the 9/11 Commission) and the public for two years… This is not spin. This is not true. This is not spin…This is not true". John Farmer, Senior Counsel, 9/11 Commission.

(4) "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right - that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue". 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton

(5) "Lee and I write in our book that, uh, we think that the Commission was set up to fail. Because we had, um, not enough money, we didn't have enough time. We had been appointed by the most partisan people in Washington, the leaders in the House and the Senate" 9/11 Commission co-chair Thomas Kean

(6) "Bluntly, it just didn't happen and that's the conclusion of all 10 of us." Former Senator Slade Gorton (R-WA), a member of the 9/11 Commission.

(7) Former Sen. Tom Daschle has said that Vice President Cheney requested him that there be no investigation into the 9/11 attacks.

(8) "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey

(9) "There's something very sinister going on here... something desperately wrong... This involved what is right now the covering up of information that led to the deaths of 3,000 people". Rep. Curt Weldon

* An infuriated Weldon also stated, “I am appalled that the DoD IG would expect the American people to actually consider this a full and thorough investigation”.

(10) "Most people look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a trusted historical document. If their conclusions were supported by information gained from torture, therefore their conclusions are suspect." Michael Ratner, President of the Center for Constitutional Rights

(11) "...the 9/11 Commission report was fundamentally flawed because the Commission refused to hear, ignored, or censored testimony about the many pre–September 11 warnings given to the FBI and US intelligence agencies..." National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, consisting of former FBI, NSA and other federal intelligence experts.

(12) "[NORAD] lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 Commission...the most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and negligence". Sen. Mark Dayton, Member, Senate Committee on Armed Services and Homeland Security.

(13) "...the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation". Rep. Ron Paul, Vice Chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee.

(14) "We purposely put together a staff that had, in a way, conflicts of interests". 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman

(15) "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting". 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer

(16) "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9/11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up". 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland

and

"I, as a member of the 9/11 Commission, cannot look any American in the eye... It is a national scandal... this White House wants to cover 9/11 up."

and

“At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland, who consequently resigned from the 9/11 Commission.

(17) "...the 9/11 Commission ran up against obstruction by the administration and non-cooperation from government agencies... the errors and omissions immediately jumped out at us..." US Rep Cynthia McKinney ~ Member of the House Armed Services Committee

(18) "Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East..." Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury, Paul Craig Roberts, PhD

(19) "Regarding 9/11 "The official story could not possibly have happened... It’s not possible. It’s not operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash." Former Assistant Secretary of Housing, Catherine Austin Fitts


(20) "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence". U.S. Army Intelligence officer, Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice, John Loftus

(21) "I cannot believe, much as I might like to, the standard account of 9/11". Foreign Service Officer, George Kenney
(22) "There is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe.... ....I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all... It's a monstrous crime". William Christison, National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis.

(23) "I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate". Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center.

(24) "The official 9/11 story is impossible .. There is a cover up .. high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened .. highly placed individuals in the administration". Lt. Col. Robert Bowman PhD, U.S. Air Force, Director of Advanced Space Programs.
(25) "At worst, I think the 9/11 Commission Report is treasonous." Bogdan Dzakovic, counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division, FAA. Team leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team in the Federal Air Marshall program, Coast Guard officer.

(26) The intimidation of witnesses in a criminal trial is a very serious offense. Throughout the 9/11 Commission hearings, Government "minders" aggressively intimidated Commission witnesses on a wholesale basis, with impunity.

(27) Former Director of the FBI, Louis Freeh: "9/11 Commission findings.... raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the Commission historically insignificant itself".

(28) CIA chief Tenet demonstrably lied to the Commissioners in closed session meetings.

(29) Despite the common awareness in the intelligence and law enforcement community that torture is a counterproductive method of obtaining worthwhile information, the huge majority of the Commission's "evidence" was either single sourced, violating the prime rule of journalism, or extracted by torturing alleged suspects. Evidence obtained through torture is not permitted in a proper US court of law - for obvious reasons.

(30) An E-4B plane was seen by numerous witnesses (and filmed by CNN cameras), flying above the DC area *before* the Pentagon was hit. If the Government had the foreknowledge to have a E-4B lifted and arrival over the D.C. restricted air space at the time of the attack, then why did the 9/11 Commission leave this out of their final report?

(31) Former VP Cheney provably lied to the 9/11 Commission regarding his movements and whereabouts in the critical period of time shortly after the attacks started. Former transportation secretary Norman Mineta's sworn statements regarding Cheney's movement's and whereabouts are radically different from the Vice President's version.

(32) After both President Bush and VP Cheney initially refused to testify to the Commission under oath, their testimony was secret, behind closed doors, no cameras or transcripts allowed, and no questions by reporters were permitted. Does "executive privilege" extend to this degree of obfuscation?

(33) A document recently discovered in the National Archives shows that, in a memo to the 9/11 Commission’s chairman and vice-chairman on false statements made by NORAD and FAA officials about the failure of US air defenses, the commission’s Executive Director Philip Zelikow failed to mention the possibility of a criminal referral. This supports allegations that Zelikow “buried” the option of a criminal referral by the commission to the Justice Department for a perjury investigation.



(34) The overwhelming proportion of evidence, some 90% heard by the Commission was not included in the Commission's final report; this report has been described as a classic example of "dry labbing". In scientific circles this means "starting out with a theory, which you then prove by omitting all contrary material. The responsibility for this fiasco clearly fell with the Commission's executive director, Philip Zelikow who determined which material was to be published, and which was to be ignored and erased.


(35) The original choice by the Bush Administration to be the chair of the 9/11 Commission was Henry Kissinger, who was forced to step down on account of his refusal to reveal his client list.

(36) The eventual choice to be executive director was Philip Zelikow, a senior Bush Administration insider and colleague of Condoleezza Rice, to head an investigation sold to the US public as "independent". (!)
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[Scorpio]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Scorpio Bekijk bericht

Dank voor deze uitgebreide, ongelooflijk goed met feitenmateriaal onderbouwde weerlegging van mijn bericht. Daar kan ik inderdaad niks tegen inbrengen.

Just once walk through this one & this one & this one & ... when executed just show us a list of your well elaborated messages ...

LOL! En in't Engels en al he! Dat moet toch ongelooflijk veel zeer gedaan hebben, die opmerking. Zelden zo'n opvallend gevalletje van 'butt hurt' gezien...

Maar goed, I'll play ball, just for the hell of it.

First: I must've missed your post, as it was probably drowned out in the noise of the BS being spouted by one of your buddy Pindar's previous incarnations.

Second: this sentence: "Just once walk through this one & this one & this one & ... when executed just show us a list of your well elaborated messages ...", while grammatically correct, sounds very unnatural. No native speaker would ever say it like that.

Third: the stuff you're linking to is exactly the same stuff you're always linking to: things you call an 'anaysis' which in reality are either you trying to find ways of discrediting every witness of the Pentagon crash (link 3) or you going through a report to then make some snide remarks about some of the things you read there, just because. That's not an analysis.

Oh, and then you get slaughtered in the 100-something pages of discussion that follow your post.

Every single thing you've written there has already been dealt with, extensively and repeatedly, so there really is no need for me to go through that once again. The fact that you keep linking to these same things over and over again, all the while not acknowledging a single one of the many rebuttals given to them in the past gives me the idea that you're one of those people who really love the sound of their own voice or, in this case, the sight of their own words on a screen.

Voila zie. Spelletje meegespeeld.

[Frank51]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Scorpio

Ik kan wel iets anders bedenken hoor: jij hebt professionele hulp nodig. Dringend. En dat meen ik.

Echt niet..
Ik voel me zeer goed. Conditie zeer ok. Blijf van drank, pillen en cafeine af.
Voor de gewone mensen klink ik gek, dat begrijp ik.
Je krijgt wel een triest gevoel op dit forum door uw soortgenoten.
Meer uit compassie denk ik

[Scorpio]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

Voor de gewone mensen klink ik gek, dat begrijp ik.

Da's al een begin.

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Scorpio

LOL! En in't Engels en al he! Dat moet toch ongelooflijk veel zeer gedaan hebben, die opmerking. Zelden zo'n opvallend gevalletje van 'butt hurt' gezien...

Maar goed, I'll play ball, just for the hell of it.

First: I must've missed your post, as it was probably drowned out in the noise of the BS being spouted by one of your buddy Pindar's previous incarnations.

Second: this sentence: "Just once walk through this one & this one & this one & ... when executed just show us a list of your well elaborated messages ...", while grammatically correct, sounds very unnatural. No native speaker would ever say it like that.

Third: the stuff you're linking to is exactly the same stuff you're always linking to: things you call an 'anaysis' which in reality are either you trying to find ways of discrediting every witness of the Pentagon crash (link 3) or you going through a report to then make some snide remarks about some of the things you read there, just because. That's not an analysis.

Oh, and then you get slaughtered in the 100-something pages of discussion that follow your post.

Every single thing you've written there has already been dealt with, extensively and repeatedly, so there really is no need for me to go through that once again. The fact that you keep linking to these same things over and over again, all the while not acknowledging a single one of the many rebuttals given to them in the past gives me the idea that you're one of those people who really love the sound of their own voice or, in this case, the sight of their own words on a screen.

Voila zie. Spelletje meegespeeld.

You keep on running in the same circle ...
My reaction was based on several posts from your side where again you claimed that my messages are short, I'm not going into detail, etc. etc.

Note: Pindar in not a 'buddy'

I never claimed I was a native speaker

The eye witness report was and is an analysis, one of which you don't like the outcome or the way it has been executed. That's no problem as such, but it is a detailed analysis of the words being used by all the eye witnesses supplied at that time. It verified all witnesses identifying a big plane in all possible ways. In all the witnesses clearly identifying a big plane I dived a bit deeper trying to identify the background of the person claimed to have supplied that testimonial.

You claim that every single thing I've written there has already been dealt with, just as all other topics where you and you fellow friends claim to know the complete truth.

You're free to keep on dreaming, to keep on being brain washed by the main stream media, it's just a pity to see smart people not having any criticism or missing any helicopter view.

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Frank51

1 van deze : Atmosphere, Parcifal, Dixie, Scorpio of kiko
PM me met jullie waarheid en wat je hier feitelijk komt doen. Dit kan zo niet verder.
Als 2 partijen mijlenver uit elkaar liggen en constant zitten te bekvechten klopt er iets niet. Een grijze zone bestaat niet. Je kan twijfelen, maar uiteindelijk vind je de waarheid als je de wil hebt die te zoeken.

Allemaal helemaal waar.

Voor ons volgend werkstuk gaan we een voodoo-poppetje maken dat jou moet voorstellen, en dan gaan we dat verdrinken in warme vodka.
Is dat ok?

[Scorpio]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

You keep on running in the same circle ...
My reaction was based on several posts from your side where again you claimed that my messages are short, I'm not going into detail, etc. etc.

Note: Pindar in not a 'buddy'

I never claimed I was a native speaker

The eye witness report was and is an analysis, one of which you don't like the outcome or the way it has been executed. That's no problem as such, but it is a detailed analysis of the words being used by all the eye witnesses supplied at that time. It verified all witnesses identifying a big plane in all possible ways. In all the witnesses clearly identifying a big plane I dived a bit deeper trying to identify the background of the person claimed to have supplied that testimonial.

You claim that every single thing I've written there has already been dealt with, just as all other topics where you and you fellow friends claim to know the complete truth.

You're free to keep on dreaming, to keep on being brain washed by the main stream media, it's just a pity to see smart people not having any criticism or missing any helicopter view.

En blijven doorgaan met dat Engels he

Eerst en vooral: 't is 'running in circles', niet 'running in the same circle'. En 'eyewitness', niet 'eye witness'. 'brainwashed' is ook 1 woord, net als 'mainstream'. In 'to identify the background of the person claimed to have supplied' is het ofwel 'the person WHO claimed' of 'the person claiming'.

Alles bij mekaar komt je Engels nogal geforceerd over. 't Is niet slecht, maar geforceerd. Mist een beetje een natuurlijke 'flow'.

En ja, je herhaalt hier weeral dezelfde onzin die je iedere keer herhaalt. Je 'analyse' is niet meer dan een poging om zoveel mogelijk mensen hun getuigenis als onbetrouwbaar af te doen. Niet meer, niet minder. Grappig ook dat uitgerekend jij begint over een 'helicopter view'. Jij, degene die zich zodanig blind staart op de details van wat de ooggetuigen zeiden (daarbij negerend dat details uit ooggetuigenverslagen berucht zijn om hun onbetrouwbaarheid) dat hij niet ziet dat GEEN ENKELE getuige iets anders heeft gezien dan een vliegtuig. Als dat geen prachtig voorbeeld is van een gebrek aan een 'helicopter view' dan weet ik het ook niet meer hoor.

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Scorpio

En blijven doorgaan met dat Engels he

Eerst en vooral: 't is 'running in circles', niet 'running in the same circle'. En 'eyewitness', niet 'eye witness'. 'brainwashed' is ook 1 woord, net als 'mainstream'. In 'to identify the background of the person claimed to have supplied' is het ofwel 'the person WHO claimed' of 'the person claiming'.

Alles bij mekaar komt je Engels nogal geforceerd over. 't Is niet slecht, maar geforceerd. Mist een beetje een natuurlijke 'flow'.

En ja, je herhaalt hier weeral dezelfde onzin die je iedere keer herhaalt. Je 'analyse' is niet meer dan een poging om zoveel mogelijk mensen hun getuigenis als onbetrouwbaar af te doen. Niet meer, niet minder. Grappig ook dat uitgerekend jij begint over een 'helicopter view'. Jij, degene die zich zodanig blind staart op de details van wat de ooggetuigen zeiden (daarbij negerend dat details uit ooggetuigenverslagen berucht zijn om hun onbetrouwbaarheid) dat hij niet ziet dat GEEN ENKELE getuige iets anders heeft gezien dan een vliegtuig. Als dat geen prachtig voorbeeld is van een gebrek aan een 'helicopter view' dan weet ik het ook niet meer hoor.

It is "the person claimed to have supplied"

And read the analysis, you'll see that the text marked in blue is incorrect