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#641 |
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![]() Indien de echte John Bell Hood even trouw aan Washington was geweest als de forum-John, dan was de geschiedenis van de Amerikaanse burgeroorlog anders geweest.
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We zullen over 20 jaar kijken of het nog zo is zoals de dag van vandaag en dan zullen we opnieuw kijken of de oorlog dus iets heeft uitgemaakt of niet.
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Of staat dat ook in 'het oorlogsrecht' dat men impulsief op verdenkingen mag handelen? Laatst gewijzigd door Zyp : 1 februari 2007 om 15:13. |
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Hier een stuk uit een artikel van een Amerikaanse prof. 1983: The State Dept. once again reported that Iraq was continuing to support terrorist groups - Iraq had also been using chemical weapons against Iranian troops since 1982; this use of chemical weapons increased in 1983. The State Dept. and the National Security Council were well aware of this. - Overriding NSC concerns, the Secretaries of Commerce and State pressured the NSC to approve the sale to Iraq of Bell helicopters "for crop dusting" (these same helicopters were used to gas Iraqi Kurds in 1988). In late 1983, Reagan secretly allowed Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, to transfer US weapons to Iraq; Reagan also asked the Italian prime minister to channel arms to Iraq December 1983 was a particularly interesting month; it was the month that Donald Rumsfeld -- currently US Secretary of Defense and one of the most vocal proponents of attacking Iraq -- paid a visit to Saddam Hussein in Baghdad as Reagan's envoy. ![]() Rumsfeld claims now that the meeting was about terrorism in Lebanon. But State Dept. documents show that in fact, Rumsfeld was carrying a message from Reagan expressing his desire to have a closer and better relationship with Saddam Hussein. Just a few months before Rumsfeld's visit, Iraq had used poison gas against Iranian troops. This fact was known to the US. Also known was that Iraq was building a chemical weapons infrastructure. NBC and The New York Times have recently reported that Rumsfeld was a key player in the Reagan administration's strong support for Iraq, despite knowing of Iraq's use of chemical weapons. This relationship became so close that both Reagan and VP Bush personally delivered military advice to Saddam Hussein. [1] 1984 In March, the State Dept. reported that Iraq was using chemical weapons and nerve gas in the war against Iran; these facts were confirmed by European doctors who examined Iranian soldiers The Washington Post (in an article in Dec.1986 by Bob Woodward) reported that in 1984 the CIA began secretly giving information to Iraqi intelligence to help them "calibrate" poison gas attacks against Iranian troops. 1985 The CIA established direct intelligence links with Baghdad, and began giving Iraq "data from sensitive US satellite reconnaissance photography" to help in the war. This same year, the US House of Representatives passed a bill to put Iraq back on State Dept. supporters of terrorism list. The Reagan administration -- in the person of Secretary of State George Schultz -- pressured the bill's sponsor to drop it the bill. The bill is dropped, and Iraq remains off the terrorist list. Iraq labs send a letter to the Commerce Dept with details showing that Iraq was developing ballistic missiles. Between 1985-1990 the Commerce Dept. approved the sale of many computers to Iraq's weapons lab. (The UN inspectors in 1991 found that: 40% of the equipment in Iraq's weapons lab were of US origin) 1985 is also a key year because the Reagan administration approved the export to Iraq of biological cultures that are precursors to bioweapons: anthrax, botulism, etc.; these cultures were "not attenuated or weakened, and were capable of reproduction." There were over 70 shipments of such cultures between 1985-1988. The Bush administration also authorized an additional 8 shipments of biological cultures that the Center for Disease Control classified as "having biological warfare significance." This information comes from the Senate Banking Committee's report from 1994. The report stated that "these microorganisms exported by the US were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program." Senator Riegle, who headed the committee, noted that: "They seemed to give him anything he wanted. It's right out of a science fiction movie as to why we would send this kind of stuff to anybody." [2] 1988 The Reagan administration's Commerce Dept. approved exports to Iraq's SCUD missile program; it was these exports that allowed the extension of the SCUDs' range so that in 1991 they were able to reach Israel and US bases in Saudi Arabia. In March, the Financial Times of London reported that Saddam had recently used chemical weapons against Kurds in Halabja, using US helicopters bought in 1983. Two months later, an Asst. Secretary of State pushed for more US-Iraq economic cooperation. In September of that year, Reagan prevented the Senate from putting sanctions on Iraq for its violation of the Geneva Protocol on Chemical Weapons. The US also voted against a UN Security Council statement condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons. http://www.ithaca.edu/gagnon/talks/us-iraq.htm
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We zullen idd over 20 jaar zien of het IETS heeft opgebracht, maar hoe kan men dat doen? Niemand weet hoe het zonder oorlog had kunnen lopen, de oorlog heeft alle andere mogelijke bekende en onbekende oplossingen van tafel geveegd. Een vergelijking kan je dus nadien niet meer maken. |
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Als het niet met oorlog moest geweest zijn, met wat dan wel?
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Had saddam het voorbeeld van president Sadat van Egypte gevolgd dan had de geschiedenis volledig anders kunnen lopen. |
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#656 |
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![]() Klopt natuurlijk niet want het is niet de regering die componenten leverde die konden gebruikt worden voor chemische wapens.De situatie was ook ondertussen volledig veranderd.
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Enerzijds noem je het vermoeden van bezit van WMD's voldoende reden voor een invasie. Anderzijds noem je het gebruik van WMD's (in casu chemische wapens) tegen Iran "zeer verdedigbaar". Of hoe blaas ik warm en koud tegelijkertijd... ![]()
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- Overriding NSC concerns, the Secretaries of Commerce and State pressured the NSC to approve the sale to Iraq of Bell helicopters "for crop dusting" (these same helicopters were used to gas Iraqi Kurds in 1988). -The Washington Post (in an article in Dec.1986 by Bob Woodward) reported that in 1984 the CIA began secretly giving information to Iraqi intelligence to help them "calibrate" poison gas attacks against Iranian troops. -Between 1985-1990 the Commerce Dept. approved the sale of many computers to Iraq's weapons lab. (The UN inspectors in 1991 found that: 40% of the equipment in Iraq's weapons lab were of US origin) -1985 is also a key year because the Reagan administration approved the export to Iraq of biological cultures that are precursors to bioweapons: anthrax, botulism, etc.; these cultures were "not attenuated or weakened, and were capable of reproduction." http://www.ithaca.edu/gagnon/talks/us-iraq.htm Oh ja , "calibrate" betekent "het kaliber bepalen, de schaalverdeling ijken".
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Vanaf het moment dat de oorlog met iran gedaan was en zeker na de oorlog in koeweit ,was de toestand volledig anders.Het verschil is deze tussen een toestand waar de WMD's tegen een vijand van de VS gebruikt worden en deze waar ze een bedreiging vormen voor bondgenoeten van de VS.Moraal heeft daar niets mee te maken.Saddam heeft het zichzelf aangedaan;een gematigde koers varen had hem veel voordelen kunnen opleveren. |
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