China: socialisme of kapitalisme?

[Proletariër]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pelgrim

van de behoefte aan antwoorden? Ja, daar moeten we blijkbaar beter van afkicken want er is precies een algehele drooglegging gebeurd.

begin al maar met afkicken van de coke

[Samsa]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tony p

En om een correcte analyse te maken van iets doet men er ook goed aan om zich een beetje te informeren. Wat Colombia en de FARC betreft heb jij dat duidelijk nog niet gedaan.

post eens wat bronnen. ik wil graag wat meer over FARC weten. dank u zeer bij voorbaat

[tony p]

Als je Spaans kan is het eenvoudig: lees gewoon de Colombia-secties van www.rebelion.org en www.lahaine.org
http://www.lahaine.org/index.php?blog=3&p=11882 en http://www.lahaine.org/index.php?blog=3&p=11035 bijvoorbeeld
Voor andere talen moet ik ook gaan zoeken...

[abou Anis]

http://www.farcep.org/

Onderaan de pagina kan je andere talen kiezen.

[tony p]

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http://www.farcep.org/

Onderaan de pagina kan je andere talen kiezen.

Waarvan de Engelse en Portugese versie niet werken, de Russische moet dringend opgefrist worden, bij 'Deutsch' kom je op de site van een Duits marxistisch tijdschrift (zonder bijzondere band met de FARC), alleen de Italiaanse site stelt dus iets voor, een soort afgeslankte versie. Conclusie: leer Spaans.

[Proletariër]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tony p

Het niveau van de reacties die je krijgt als je naar bewijzen vraagt voor een bepaalde LSP-stelling is toch wel verontrustend.

kwestie van het niveau aan het publiek aan te passen

[StevenNr1]

Zo grappig vind ik dat nu toch niet hoor.

[Pelgrim]

en we wachten nog steeds op die feiten.

[TommyMax2]

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1]ter info:

(van fightbacknews, kdn uit de USA)

[/SIZE][/FONT]Revolution in Colombia: An Interview

The Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia - People's Army (FARC-EP) is the largest rebel group in Colombia. Freedom Road Socialist Organization members Kosta Harlan and Erika Zurawski recently traveled to the rebel held territory and met with commanders of the FARC-EP. Fight Back! interviewed these American revolutionaries to discuss the struggle in Colombia.

FB: Who are the FARC-EP?

KH: The FARC-EP is a guerilla army fighting for national liberation against U.S. imperialism. U.S. corporations and wealthy Colombians have been oppressing working people in Colombia for decades - stealing land from poor peasants, suppressing workers, and jailing or killing those who protest. The FARC-EP is leading a revolution to put working people in power. We were excited to meet with these revolutionaries because they are inspiring to anyone who works for peace and social justice.

FB: What role does the U.S. play in the war in Colombia?

EZ: The U.S. has given over $5 billion since the year 2000 to the Colombian government through Plan Colombia. This aid is given under the false pretenses of the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror". However, according to the Colombian peasants we met with, these dollars pay for the helicopters and chemicals used to fumigate peasant crops and force people off their land, so U.S. corporations can move in. U.S. taxes also pay for the guns that the Colombian military, paramilitary, and police forces use to put down protests and to assassinate peasants, unionists, students and social leaders in efforts to sc are the Colombian masses from organizing for their rights.

It is important for readers to know, the FARC-EP is the strongest resistance force in Latin America. Colombia is strategically important to the U.S. because it is rich in oil, gold, and other resources. The U.S. government dominates the Colombian government to guarantee that U.S. corporations have free access to exploit Colombian land, resources, and people. The FARC-EP is against foreign domination of Colombia, and believes that the Colombian people have the right to benefit from their own resources. They are willing to fight for it too. This is what scares the U.S. government the most.

FB: You were able to meet with activists and ordinary Colombians, as well as commanders in the FARC-EP. What is your impression of the revolution in Colombia?

KH: The revolution has had to change tactics since the U.S. stepped up its military aid in 2000. But like a leader in the clandestine movement told me, "An insurgency like ours will never be defeated by bullets." People are not intimidated - they are fighting. Peasants in a mountain community proudly told us, "If the rich come for our land here, they'll pay for it - we'll unite and pick up rocks, we'll go down to the landowners and fight them there!" Students have turned their campuses into liberated zones, leading huge strikes against President Uribe, and revolutionary graffiti covers the walls - "Popular liberation is not terrorism!" "Our university is free and fighting!"

We asked the FARC-EP commanders who is winning the war. They said, "Our strength is in the fundamentally indissoluble relation with the people. Conditions for social and political organizing are getting better, because the power of the people is consolidating itself along with the advance of the FARC-EP." ; My impression is that the revolution is moving to victory, and Colombia's not-too-distant future is with socialism.

FB: The U.S. government and even some members of the peace movement criticize the FARC-EP for using armed struggle. What do you think?

KH: You have to draw a line between the violence of the oppressors and people's self-defense. The Colombian people are under attack every day - from the military, the police, U.S. mercenaries, and paramilitary death squads. Electoral politics are not an option. As a student told us, "We can vote, but often we have to pay with our lives." Many people join the guerrillas because they are targeted for death and would rather fight than die. FARC-EP commanders told us they are "a people in arms." It is farmers, workers, students, families, and all oppressed people fighting for liberation in Colombia. Peace ad vocates should stand in solidarity with our sisters and brothers in the FARC-EP, who bravely fight for a true peace based on social justice.

EZ: The revolutionary movement in Colombia is strong and growing. It continues to increase on both fronts - the armed resistance and the mass social movements. The regional commander of the FARC-EP that we met with told us that not only is their resistance growing in numbers, but also in area and influence. The increasing desperation caused by government violence and other policies is forcing the Colombian people to take action. Some decide to take up arms and others choose to join one of the various mass social movements and mobilize to demand better living conditions and justice for the Colombian people.

Colombian peasants and workers continue to protest in the face of violent and often deadly repression. The optimism and the willingness to fight back are so inspiring. In every single meeting we attended we heard someone say, "We are willing to fight until the ultimate consequences." Colombians know that the fight is long, and that it is not easy, but they are positive that victory is not far, and justice will prevail. When we asked how the resistance in Colombia can prevail if the U.S. empire continues to lend money and support to a repressive government, our comrade of the FARC-EP said, "They may have the money, but we have the people."

FB: What was your impression of FARC-EP controlled space in Colombia?

EZ: I knew we had reached FARC controlled territory when the guerrilla soldiers started to smile at us, and for the first time in Colombia I wasn't afraid to see guns. I have been to many different areas in Colombia. I could feel the fear in the air in areas like Arauca and Santa Marta, where paramilitaries have compl ete control and people are afraid to even breathe the wrong word. For the first time in my visits to Colombia I felt like I could say and ask what I wanted without putting anyone's life in danger. I noticed that Colombians too, were much more open in talking to me about things like "revolution" and "socialism" without looking around first to see if someone could hear them.

FB: What does the U.S. anti-war movement need to understand about the revolution in Colombia?

EZ: Many people in the U.S. have asked me how I can be an anti-war activist and at the same time, support the armed resistance in Colombia. I agree with what one Colombian comrade said to me, "war is not the best option for anyone, and it should always be our last option." But it is important to understand where the struggle is coming from, instead of criticizing it from the outside. It is U.S. tax dollars that are allowing the war against the Colombian people to continue, so our first task must be to end U.S. aid to Colombia. We can all unite around that. As defenders of Colombian self-determination we must not criticize the route to liberation the Colombian people choose. We must study and understand the struggle. Just like the Vietnam war when many in the anti-war movement backed the Vietnamese fight for national liberation, hopefully more Americans will grow to support the Colombian people's struggle as it advances towards victory.

[StevenNr1]

Verhelderend, bedankt.

[tony p]

Dat de FARC de laatste jaren serieus gegroeid is blijkt ook uit volgende tabel van het aantal strijdkrachten van de FARC:

1964 48
1965 750
1970 1.000
1978 2.000
1983 3.000
1986 4.000
1991 7.600
1992 18.000
1994 32.000
2002 40.000
2004 50.000

[Pelgrim]

48? achtenveertig? Ge staat er zelden bij stil dat het ooit zo klein is begonnen...

[Jonas Elossov]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door tony p

Ik wacht.

"Tax heffen" op coke, noem ik geld halen uit drugstrafiek... niet?

[tony p]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jonas Elossov

"Tax heffen" op coke, noem ik geld halen uit drugstrafiek... niet?

Een cursus begrijpend lezen zou misschien niet slecht zijn.

coca ≠ coke

[StevenNr1]

Cocaboeren die Morales steunen zijn ook allemaal drugstraffikanten ?

[solidarnosc]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door StevenNr1

Cocaboeren die Morales steunen zijn ook allemaal drugstraffikanten ?

Allé, in plaats van de drugsbaronnen te pluimen pluimen ze de kleine boeren. Zo u wilt.

[tony p]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door solidarnosc

Allé, in plaats van de drugsbaronnen te pluimen pluimen ze de kleine boeren. Zo u wilt.

Leg mij dan eens uit waarom ze dan zo populair zijn bij die kleine boeren?

[tony p]

Een voorbeeldje van die populariteit:
Toen er van 1998 tot 2002 vredesbesprekingen werden gehouden was er een gedemilitariseerde zone waar de FARC het voor het zeggen had.
In 1998 woonden er zo'n 100.000 mensen in die zone, in 2002 waren er een goeie 740.000 bijgekomen.

[tony p]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door De rode baron

Ik heb echter nog nooit gehoord van succesvol trotskistisch verzet.

Ik heb eens een onderzoekje gedaan en in Colombia is er geen enkele trotskistische organisatie actief...
Kritiek geven vinden ze blijkbaar makkelijker.

[Pelgrim]

Er zijn er blijkbaar die geloven dat de cocaboer per definitie cocaïne aanmaakt. Dat planten ook andere toepassingsmogelijkheden hebben is nog niet bekend in trotskistische kringen? Tja, zij hebben dan ook maar weinig contacten met de reactionaire boerenklasse.