Navalny vermoord

[djimi]

Mag de familie van Navalny inmiddels zijn lijk aanschouwen, een autopsie laten uitvoeren en vervolgens een begrafenisonderneming haar werk laten doen?

[brother paul]

je moet de russen geloven op woord van eer... wat is dat nu, anders discrimineer je de russen versus de marokkanen die op woord van eer kunnen verklaren dat ze drie vrouwen hebben met zes kinderen die zitten te wachten in marokko op zijn geld

[brother paul]

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Ik heb nog geen enkele van je meer plausibele mogelijkheden gelezen.

hij moet zelfs de opdracht niet gegeven hebben:

een gevangen is ontnomen van zijn burgerrechten
hij krijgt alles van kledij, voeding, gezondheidszorg van de overheid
en dus is de overheid de enige verantwoordelijke voor het toedienen van die zorg

weigeren die zorg toe te dienen aan een gevangene is uiteraard defacto een verwaarlozing... en valt onder de verantwoordelijkheid van gevangeniswezen-overheid-Pt.

Zelfs al heeft hij nergens zichtbaar de opdracht daartoe gegeven, is hij verantwoordelijk...

[Weyland]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door djimi

Niet noodzakelijk 'incompetent':


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https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ism-by-country

Het dient gezegd, Poetin zelf is een geheelonthouder. Dat maakt hem echter niet minder onbetrouwbaar.

[IJsboer]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door djimi

Mag de familie van Navalny inmiddels zijn lijk aanschouwen, een autopsie laten uitvoeren en vervolgens een begrafenisonderneming haar werk laten doen?

Pas nadat alle Novitsjok in zijn lichaam is opgelost.

[Rr00ttt]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kiko

Ik heb nog geen enkele van je meer plausibele mogelijkheden gelezen.

Ik heb ze nochthans meermaals gepost.

I.e. trol en blok

[Rr00ttt]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door quercus

Ik krijg eveneens de indruk dat Rroottt lastig loopt omdat er voor hem ongemakkelijke waarheden in deze draad worden aangehaald.

De enige die ik hier een waarheid heb zien aanhalen van de 'tegenstanders' is Patrick.

Die heeft tenminste de intellectuele eerlijkheid simpelweg te zeggen dat hij simpelweg zoveel mogelijk Russen en Ukrainers (dat zijn immers reserve-russen) dood wil.

De rest pretendeert op een morele high ground te zitten maar wil net hetzelfde als Patrick en geeft geen enkele zinvolle repliek buiten wat beledegingen.

Mijn posts zijn dan ook eerder bedoeld 'voor de neutrale lezer' die zijn verstand eens wil gebruiken

[kiko]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Rr00ttt

Ik heb ze nochthans meermaals gepost.

Ja ? Ik heb ze eerlijk gezegd niet opgemerkt. Ik vrees dat ze niet veel indruk gemaakt hebben.

I.e. trol en blok

Geen idee waar dit op slaat.

[Gipsy]

Volgens het Franse A2 staat op het neerleggen van bloemen ter nagedachtenis van Navalny tot 2 maand gevangenis. Zonder natuurlijk de gevolgen voor die mensen die gebrandmerkt staan al vijanden van het systeem. Een job aan de staat etc mag men wel vergeten.

Ondertussen wacht zijn moeder nutteloos op het lichaam van haar zoon. Toch zijn er hier verschillende nuttige idioten met een missie die deze Sovjet toestanden toejuichen.

Ze genieten hier wel van onze democratie en vrijheden om hun braaksel te kunnen storten op een Westers forum. Geen enkele die het vliegtuig neemt naar Moskou om daar te gaan leven in hun ideaal pardijs.

[brother paul]

remember de overgelopen helicopterpiloot

zoals verwacht: eliminated;..
https://uawire.org/russian-pilot-who...-dead-in-spain

[Pandareus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door brother paul

remember de overgelopen helicopterpiloot

zoals verwacht: eliminated;..
https://uawire.org/russian-pilot-who...-dead-in-spain

Inderdaad... Putler zijn geheime dienst gaat dus zelfs zo ver van in west-europa tegenstanders te vermoorden...

[kiko]

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...alexei-navalny

Elke vorm van sympathie voor Navalny wordt door Rusland meedogenloos de kop ingedrukt.

[Johan Daelemans]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Libro

Meen je dat?

Wacht eens even...
RrOOttt .... Wat krijg je als je enkele letters schrapt?

[Rr00ttt]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door brother paul

remember de overgelopen helicopterpiloot

zoals verwacht: eliminated;..
https://uawire.org/russian-pilot-who...-dead-in-spain

In dit geval geef ik de Russen groot gelijk als ze dat gedaan zouden hebben.

Die kerel is niet 'zomaar' overgelopen. Die is met een helicopter gevlogen waar ook nog 2 andere soldaten in zaten. Die 2 wisten van niks en zijn onmiddelijk doodgeschoten door de Ukrainers na zijn landing.

Een stuk crapuul dus, En ja ik zou net hetzelfde zeggen als het overlopen naar de andere kant was geweest,

[Rr00ttt]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Rr00ttt

In dit geval geef ik de Russen groot gelijk als ze dat gedaan zouden hebben.

Die kerel is niet 'zomaar' overgelopen. Die is met een helicopter gevlogen waar ook nog 2 andere soldaten in zaten. Die 2 wisten van niks en zijn onmiddelijk doodgeschoten door de Ukrainers na zijn landing.

Het is overigens geen overloper, wat deed hij anders in Spanje? Een overloper zou dan voor Ukraine gaan vechten, Het is iemand die voor 500.000$ 2 van zijn collega's de dood heeft ingejaagd en de ukrainers een helicopter geleverd.

Een stuk crapuul dus, En ja ik zou net hetzelfde zeggen als het overlopen naar de andere kant was geweest,

[Libro]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Johan Daelemans

Wacht eens even...
RrOOttt .... Wat krijg je als je enkele letters schrapt?

Russia Today (RT)?

[Gipsy]

https://www.hln.be/buitenland/moeder...even~a87d81b6/

Als die mama van Navalny zo voort doet gaat ze ook plotseling sterven.

[Pandareus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gipsy

https://www.hln.be/buitenland/moeder...even~a87d81b6/

Als die mama van Navalny zo voort doet gaat ze ook plotseling sterven.

Ik denk niet dat ze deze sterke vrouw gaan kunnen intimideren, ze geeft niet op.

Who is Yulia Navalnaya, Putin’s new enemy?

For years she sought to avoid the limelight. Now Alexei Navalny’s widow is vowing to continue his fight.


As many Russians were still reeling on Monday from the death of Alexei Navalny, they received news that could be of some comfort.

Three days after the Russian authorities declared the opposition politician had died in a prison north of the Arctic Circle, his wife Yulia Navalnaya on Monday said she would take up her husband’s mission to topple Vladimir Putin’s regime.

“By killing Alexei, Putin killed half of me, half of my heart, and half of my soul. But I still have the other half, and it tells me that I have no right to give up,” she announced in a YouTube video. “I will continue Alexei Navalny’s cause.”
It was a passionate declaration — and an unmistakably political one.

Navalnaya appears to be following in the footsteps of Belarus’ Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya who, after her husband’s jailing, took on his role as an opposition politician despite a lack of previous experience, becoming a lightning rod for protest against the country’s dictator Alexander Lukashenko.

The same day news of Navalny’s death broke, Navalnaya was filmed deep in conversation with Tsikhanouskaya at the Munich Security Conference, fueling speculation about her own plans.

And yet her statement on Monday surprised many — mainly because Navalnaya has spent years dismissing the idea that she wanted a political career of her own.

An economist by background, she met Alexei on a holiday in Turkey in 1998. The couple had their first child, daughter Dasha, several years later, after which Navalnaya became a stay-at-home mother.

In rare interviews, she appeared above all to strive for normalcy as her husband’s star rose and the Kremlin’s crackdown on him intensified.
“My main task is for our family to stay the same, despite everything,” she told Harper’s Bazaar.

Behind the scenes, however, those who knew the couple well said Navalnaya not only shared her husband’s views, but also helped shape them.

Telepathic connection
“At every stage of Alexei’s career, Yulia has always been by his side,” Anna Veduta, employee of the U.S. branch of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation, told POLITICO.
“There was some kind of telepathic connection between them, they sometimes didn’t even need to speak; they thought alike.”

At rallies and court hearings, Navalnaya was always at her husband’s side, attracting the media’s attention with her striking physique and composure, despite her stated wish to avoid the limelight.

“These bastards will never see our tears,” was her response when Navalny received his first prison sentence in 2013 in an embezzlement case his supporters denounced as politically motivated.
Navalny, meanwhile, was far less private about his family. He frequently published photos and videos of family life and bestowed accolades on his wife, going as far as crediting her with bringing him back to life after he was poisoned.

“Yulia, you saved me,” he wrote on Instagram.

His last Instagram post before his death was a Valentine’s Day message, one of many doting expressions of love.

The couple’s public romance further underscored the differences between Navalny and Putin, who is divorced and has reportedly had several mistresses and illegitimate children, but is extremely secretive about his personal life.

Any chance Navalnaya had to stay out of the public eye was ruined after Alexei was poisoned with the Novichok nerve agent in the summer of 2020.

She stoically spearheaded a campaign to have Navalny released from an Omsk hospital to be transported abroad for treatment, facing the media and badgering local medics and mysterious men in civilian clothes presumably sent by the Kremlin to cover up the poisoning.

Never relax

“The main feeling I had was that I shouldn’t relax, show weakness,” Navalnaya later told Russian journalist Yury Dud in a YouTube interview from Germany. “If I fall apart, everyone will fall apart.”

She went on to describe the impact of her husband’s political career on their family, including being tailed, raids at their home and having their bank accounts frozen.

According to an investigation into Navalny’s poisoning by Bellingcat, Yulia herself even suffered poisoning effects two months before Navalny fell ill, in what the investigative journalists suspected was an earlier, botched attempt to get to the opposition leader.
But, Navalnaya told Dud she continued to support her husband and thought “it wouldn’t be cool if he quit half way.”

Standing by her side, Alexei joked that Navalnaya was more “radical” than he was.

As he recovered, however, Navalnaya returned to her housewife persona.
In the Oscar-winning documentary “Navalny,” she was pictured going for a walk and feeding donkeys with her husband, while it was their daughter Dasha who helped Navalny to record Tik-Tok videos for his followers.

But Yulia’s pursuit of normalcy was once again disrupted when Alexei was arrested at Sheremetyevo airport upon returning to Russia in early 2021.

Supporters of the politician praised Navalnaya’s self-control as she kissed her husband goodbye at passport control before he was led away.

With Navalny being submitted to ever harsher conditions in jail, Navalnaya has in the past year become increasingly visible on the international stage.

She delivered a speech in March last year at the Oscars and most recently in Munich, just hours after learning of her husband’s death.

Presumably sensing Navalnaya’s potential, Russian state-affiliated media and social media have long sought to undermine her.
In the Oscar-winning documentary “Navalny,” she was pictured going for a walk and feeding donkeys with her husband, while it was their daughter Dasha who helped Navalny to record Tik-Tok videos for his followers.

But Yulia’s pursuit of normalcy was once again disrupted when Alexei was arrested at Sheremetyevo airport upon returning to Russia in early 2021.

Supporters of the politician praised Navalnaya’s self-control as she kissed her husband goodbye at passport control before he was led away.

With Navalny being submitted to ever harsher conditions in jail, Navalnaya has in the past year become increasingly visible on the international stage.

She delivered a speech in March last year at the Oscars and most recently in Munich, just hours after learning of her husband’s death.

Presumably sensing Navalnaya’s potential, Russian state-affiliated media and social media have long sought to undermine her.

Putin’s next target

Every public performance she gives has come under intense scrutiny in Russian state-controlled media, with commenters accusing her of being too cheerful or acting on the CIA’s orders.

“She has shown great courage because it is clear that she will be the next target for the Kremlin’s smear campaigns,” Lyubov Sobol, a lawyer and longtime Navalny employee, told POLITICO from exile in Berlin. “They will try to break her.”

Navalny’s closest allies on Monday expressed their support for Navalnaya with Ivan Zhdanov writing she had “stepped in his [Alexei’s] place.”

“It was always important for her that the children remained children, that the home remained a home, and the family remained a family,” said Veduta, Navalny’s ally. “Now [after Navalny’s death] she doesn’t have a choice. They are one, she will never retreat or betray his ideals.”

But Tatiana Stanovaya, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, predicts ordinary Russians might be more skeptical.
“It will be difficult for her to break through to a Russian audience because of her image as someone who is not just a supporter of liberal Western values, but a figure used by the West to overthrow Putin,” she said. “At home in Russia, that’s her curse.”

She also warned that the comparison with Tsikhanouskaya might not work in Navalnaya’s favor, with the exiled Belarus politician seen as essentially powerless.

And then there are the huge shoes Navalnaya is looking to fill.

Unlike her husband, however, Navalnaya is currently outside Russia, which puts her out of the Kremlin’s reach.

“In a sense, Navalny has now been reincarnated in his wife, but unlike Navalny she is not in Russia,” said Stanovaya. “For the Russian regime, of course, this is rather bad news.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/yuli...ia-opposition/

En dit zou ook wel kunnen inslagen als een bom :

Alexei Navalny’s widow vows to continue his fight against Putin
Yulia Navalnaya said Putin had a specific reason to kill Navalny and promised to reveal it soon.

Alexei Navalny’s widow vowed Monday to continue her husband’s work after his death, and take on Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“I will continue Alexei Navalny’s cause and fight for our country. I urge you to stand by me,” Yulia Navalnaya, the widow of politician Alexei Navalny, declared in a video address.

“There should be another in my place — but they were murdered by Vladimir Putin,” she added.
At the Munich Security Conference on Friday, shortly after Navalny’s death in a penal colony was announced, Yulia Navalnaya accused Putin of murdering her husband.

“Putin had a specific reason for killing Alexei three days ago, which we will reveal soon. We’ll identify those responsible for this crime, naming them and showing their faces,” she stated on Monday.

“Putin aimed not just to kill Alexei — but to extinguish our hope, freedom, and future. I’ve supported Alexei throughout the years — but today, I stand by you, understanding your loss is no less significant than mine,” Yulia Navalnaya said.

Regarding her potential role as opposition leader to Putin, Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna told POLITICO: “As an icon, certainly, but the opposition must collectively decide on the new leader.” Yulia Navalnaya was invited to speak at a meeting of European Union foreign ministers on Monday.

Navalny’s body remains inaccessible to his family and team. On Monday, the Salekhard morgue staff prevented Navalny’s mother and lawyers from entering, as reported by his press secretary, Kira Yarmysh, on X (formerly Twitter). Surveillance footage published by Mediazona shows a convoy possibly transporting Navalny’s body towards Salekhard on the night of February 17.

Russian investigators won’t pass Navalny’s body to the family for another 14 days, as they’re going to investigate the cause of death, Navalny’s spokeswoman Kira Yarmysh said Monday.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov stated on Monday the Kremlin is not involved in the decision to release the body to Navalny’s family.

The human rights group OVD-Info, an independent Russian watchdog, encouraged public demands to an investigative committee for the release of Navalny’s body, emphasizing the safety of this approach. Within two days, people sent more than 52,000 requests.

Meanwhile, police detained 389 individuals across various Russian cities for attempting to honor Navalny by laying flowers at monuments dedicated to the victims of Soviet repression.

Prison authorities say Navalny, 47, suffered “sudden death syndrome” at a remote Arctic prison on Friday. His allies believe he was murdered on the orders of President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.politico.eu/article/alex...vladmir-putin/

[Gipsy]

De Russische Ambassade ligt aan de De Frolaan in Ukkel, who the fuck is De Fro? Het moment om te veranderen naar Navalny laan.

[patrickve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Rr00ttt

De enige die ik hier een waarheid heb zien aanhalen van de 'tegenstanders' is Patrick.

Die heeft tenminste de intellectuele eerlijkheid simpelweg te zeggen dat hij simpelweg zoveel mogelijk Russen en Ukrainers (dat zijn immers reserve-russen) dood wil.

Ik zou daaraan toevoegen dat ik het in de grond spijtig vind dat de Russen onze vijanden zijn, want ik had liever gehad dat zij het westen hadden vervoegd om te helpen bij het extermineren van de rest van de wereld, en voor hen was een bijzondere makakken eliminatie missie weggelegd. Maar het is zo niet gegaan.