De nieuwe wereld orde

[oeps]

Na zo'n 256 (!) pagina's gewelles-nietes over het bestaan van NWO, zouden we beter het verzet organiseren.
Immers : je weet maar nooit, stel dat NWO bestaat dan moeten we voorbereid zijn op haar aanvallen.

Wie zijn dan onze bondgenoten, het Iraakse verzet, de Tamil-Tijgers, China, de Neonazi's, Susanna Osthoff, de milieubeweging, Al-Qaeda, de anders-globalisten, Freya Vandenbossche ?
Ik wil wel eens weten wie er precies tegen NWO gemobiliseerd kunnen worden.

Exodus, laat me weten hoe de anti-NWO coalitie eruit kan zien, en ik laat je weten of ik meedoe.

[parcifal]

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Exodus, laat me weten hoe de anti-NWO coalitie eruit kan zien, en ik laat je weten of ik meedoe.

Dat is nu net het leuke : Er ?*s helemaal geen anti-NWO coalitie.

Enkel een bende min of meer anonieme 'believers' die
- geen duidelijk doel hebben.
- het onderling zelf helemaal niet altijd eens zijn.
- bij het 'oprollen' van de NWO een andere samenzwering nodig zouden hebben om hun paranoia op los te laten.

Eigenlijk is het voor de meesten vooral een hobby denk ik. 8)

[Salmon L.A.]

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Dat ben jij die die informatie rationaliseert in jouw wereldbeeld.

De vraag of de informatie er is omdat ze gebaseerd is op de waarheid is nog niet bij jou opgekomen.

De feiten wijzen nu eenmaal uit dat er een wereldwijde samenzwering is. De cover van het boek "rule by secrecy" vat dit zo samen:

Ook Jim Marrs is zo'n exponent van het lucratieve conspiracy-circuit. Waarom zou de samenvatting op de cover van een van zijn boeken mij van het tegendeel moeten overtuigen?
Toch niet omdat die UFO-jager daar misleidend met de New York Times wordt gelieerd?

[exodus]

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Enkel een bende min of meer anonieme 'believers' die
- geen duidelijk doel hebben.

Heb jij een doel? We zitten hier op het forum en laten onze mening horen en posten over hetgeen we overtuigd van zijn, zoals iedereen.

- het onderling zelf helemaal niet altijd eens zijn.

Dat pleit net in ons voordeel. Iedereen heeft zijn eigen onderzoek gedaan, waar er soms verschillen opduiken op bepaalde nevenpunten, maar over de kerngedachte en vele feiten zijn we het eens.

- bij het 'oprollen' van de NWO een andere samenzwering nodig zouden hebben om hun paranoia op los te laten.

Het is geen paranoia, het is het intpreteren van de feiten en inzien dat het er is.

[Monocle]

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...Exodus, laat me weten hoe de anti-NWO coalitie eruit kan zien, en ik laat je weten of ik meedoe.

Ik vrees er echter een beetje voor dat dit niet te organiseren valt, de coalitite zou vanaf dag één al geinfiltreerd zijn door NWO'ers

[Midian]

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Het sleutelwoord hier is uiteraard : GELOVEN. Er is geen consistent bewijs dat er werkelijk een samenzwering is of ooit geweest is.
Als je het toch vindt, ben je in 1 slag zo goed als Euro-multimiljonair. 8)
Ik heb er dus alle vertrouwen in...

Ik denk dat je eerder op slag dood bent i.p.v. rijk.

[Herr Flick]

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Na zo'n 256 (!) pagina's gewelles-nietes over het bestaan van NWO, zouden we beter het verzet organiseren.
Immers : je weet maar nooit, stel dat NWO bestaat dan moeten we voorbereid zijn op haar aanvallen.

Wie zijn dan onze bondgenoten, het Iraakse verzet, de Tamil-Tijgers, China, de Neonazi's, Susanna Osthoff, de milieubeweging, Al-Qaeda, de anders-globalisten, Freya Vandenbossche ?
Ik wil wel eens weten wie er precies tegen NWO gemobiliseerd kunnen worden.

Exodus, laat me weten hoe de anti-NWO coalitie eruit kan zien, en ik laat je weten of ik meedoe.

Ik ben momenteel pro NWO , maar die reptelians blijven beter weg,

We kunnen samen het RLF oprichten, het Reptilian Liberation Front.

Hé op de een of andere manier doet mij dat denken aan een scene uit de life of brian, The Peoples front of Judea, no The Judean, Peoples Front, enz... enz...

[Herr Flick]

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Dat is nu net het leuke : Er ?*s helemaal geen anti-NWO coalitie.

Enkel een bende min of meer anonieme 'believers' die
- geen duidelijk doel hebben.
- het onderling zelf helemaal niet altijd eens zijn.
- bij het 'oprollen' van de NWO een andere samenzwering nodig zouden hebben om hun paranoia op los te laten.

Eigenlijk is het voor de meesten vooral een hobby denk ik. 8)

Stel u voor dat de NWO opgerold raakt, zouden ze daar daan Inside Job inzien of zo, ... ?

Allé moest ik de NWO oprollen zou dat zijn, om mijzelf aan de top van de pyramide te zetten natuurlijk, ... Ik zal dan wel een tof en lucratief jobken vinden voor al mijn descipelen die mij geholpen hebben in mijn strijd tegen de NWO en om het behoud van de NWO met mij aan de top...

Ja ik zie dat wel zitten zo wa de machtswelusteling uithangen...

[Herr Flick]

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Ik vrees er echter een beetje voor dat dit niet te organiseren valt, de coalitite zou vanaf dag één al geinfiltreerd zijn door NWO'ers

Toch ene die mee is,...

[Pieke]

geen enkele c/p van pindar... zou de nwo hem geëlimineerd hebben?

[exodus]

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Ik denk dat je eerder op slag dood bent i.p.v. rijk.

Daar zijn er verschillende voorbeelden van. Een zo iemand was Larry McDonald (Chairman van de John Birch Society). Een redelijk bekend politiek figuur toen, die op de hoogte was van de NWO. Hij had de mogelijkheden om veel mensen te mobiliseren om ze wakker te schudden voor de NWO. Dat hij op de hoogte was getuige deze quote van hem:

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Hij heeft ook gebruik makende van zijn politieke functie voorstellen ingediend om de rol van deCFR en de trilaterale commisie te onderzoeken, evenals vele andere waarmee hij een lastpost was voor the powers that be.

In 1983 is hij omgekomen in een vliegtuigcrash, waar nog altijd veel controverse rond is. Vliegtuigcrash was althans de eerste verklaring. Maar de bewijzen zijn ondertussen uitgekomen dat het geen crash was, maar dat het vliegtuig is begeschoten door de soviets toen om bepaalde redenen binnen de rusische grens vloog, en gedwongen is om te landen. Er is nooit meer iets gehoord geweest van de passagiers en Larry McDonald.

On September 1, 1983, Korean Air Lines flight 007, on its way from Anchorage, Alaska to Seoul, Korea, carrying 269 passengers and crew, strayed off its intended course and entered into Soviet airspace. A Soviet Sukhoi 15 fighter jet, piloted by Major Gennadie Osipovich, was sent up to destroy the intruding Boeing 747.

This, at the height of the Cold War era, was a major international incident. At the time, it was - and still is - widely believed that the plane "exploded", "plummeted uncontrollably" into the ocean, and was "destroyed," killing all aboard, including Lawrence ("Larry") Patton McDonald, Representative (D), 7th District, Georgia.

The evidence, however, tells another story. Japanese radar trackings, Soviet ground-to-ground and ground-to-air communications, KAL 007's flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder, the debris (and lack thereof), eye-witness testimonies... All these and more, when pieced together, tell of a plane which was, indeed, damaged, but which managed to land safely, and of passengers who survived and were rescued by the Russians -- only to be imprisoned to this day. What really happened to Korean Air Lines flight 007?

[oeps]

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Stel u voor dat de NWO opgerold raakt, zouden ze daar daan Inside Job inzien of zo, ... ?

Allé moest ik de NWO oprollen zou dat zijn, om mijzelf aan de top van de pyramide te zetten natuurlijk, ... Ik zal dan wel een tof en lucratief jobken vinden voor al mijn descipelen die mij geholpen hebben in mijn strijd tegen de NWO en om het behoud van de NWO met mij aan de top...

Ja ik zie dat wel zitten zo wa de machtswelusteling uithangen...

Het wordt wel een surrealistische discussie zo monsieur Fliq ! Volgens mij neemt bijna niemand NWO nog serieus. Pindar is ook al afgehaakt. One down, two to go.

[parcifal]

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Het wordt wel een surrealistische discussie zo monsieur Fliq ! Volgens mij neemt bijna niemand NWO nog serieus. Pindar is ook al afgehaakt. One down, two to go.

Neenee, Pindar reageert maar 1 dag in de week.
Dan zie je hem (of haar) plots een stuk of 20 postings plaatsen en dan is't weer gedaan voor een week.

Ik denk dat hij op die dag eens vrij mag rondlopen terwijl hij/zij de rest van de week in de isoleercel zit.

Het is een mogelijke uitleg.

[Firestone]

Dus nu is KAL-007 door de Sovjets neergehaald om de ultra-reactionnaire Larry McDonald te pakken, omdat hij teveel wist over de NWO!
Discreter kon haast niet om de zever van McDonald tegen te werken!

Waar blijven ze het halen.

Er waren inderdaad samenzweringstheorieën rond KAL-007, oa omdat de Sovjets weigerden de zwarte dozen vrij te geven.
Dat is later onder Yeltsin wel gebeurd, en dan bleek dat het vliegtuig wel degelijk is neergestort (en niet veilig geland zoals Exodus insinueert).

Maar believers laten nooit een verhaal los, zo blijkt hier weer eens ...

(Ook blijkt nogmaals uit welke extremistische wijver deze verhalen meestal komen.)

[Tempest]

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Sommigen op het forum hier geloven niet in de Nieuwe Wereld Orde en vinden het een belachelijk idee , waar er geen bewijs voor bestaat. Onderstaande artikel is zeer interessant omdat er veel bewijs in staat, maar het is dan ook geen kort artikel. Dit artikel toont aan dat er weldegelijk een groep van internationale bankiers is , die achter de schermen de regeringen van de wereld controleren, de illuminati of hoe je zo ook noemt. En dat het hun doel is een nieuwe wereld orde op te richten (wereldregering).
In het artikel worden bronnen gegeven. Alle opgehaalde bewijsmateriaal is echt en niet verzonnen.

[SIZE=4]Still Believe the New World Order is Just a Conspiracy Theory?

[/SIZE][SIZE=4]by Wes Penre, May 18 - June 6, 2005[/SIZE]


S[SIZE=2]ome people say that they understand this thing with the New World Order and a One World Government, but that it doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. Maybe we need a New World Order, where we can live in one global state, in peace with no future wars? If there are no other countries to fight against, there will be no more wars either, right? And perhaps we will feel more united, as One Big Global Family if we erase the borders?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Well, that doesn't sound bad, does it? If the intention behind the New World Order was the above, I would agree (although I don't think a centralized power can ever work. What if the Global CEO doesn't have our best interests in mind?). [/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]So, is the above utopia what the Globalists have in mind? Is this benevolent World Society what they so eagerly work towards? The best way to answer those questions is to quote from "The horse's mouth" so to speak. What do the Globalists have to say themselves? Before I give a few examples, I want to quote President Theodore Roosevelt on April 19, 1906, followed by what the New York City Mayor John Hylan had to say about the Illuminati on March 26, 1922, when he spoke in Chicago, Illinois:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day".[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]So far Roosevelt, and here is Hylan:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]
John Hylan
[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"The warning of Theodore Roosevelt has much timeliness today, for the real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self-created screen. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and EVERY agency created for the public protection. It squirms in the jaws of darkness and thus is the better able to clutch the reins of government, secure enactment of the legislation favorable to corrupt business, violate the law with impunity, smother the press and reach into the courts.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]To depart from mere generalizations, let me say that AT THE HEAD of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the INTERNATIONAL bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control BOTH parties, write political platforms, make cats paws of party leaders, use the leading men of private organizations, and resort to every device to place in nomination for high public office only such candidates as will be amenable to the dictates of corrupt big business. They connive at CENTRALIZATION of government on the theory that a small group of hand-picked, privately controlled individuals in power can be more easily handled than a larger group among whom there will most likely be men sincerely interested in public welfare. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]These international bankers and Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests control the majority of newspapers and magazines in this country. They use the columns of these papers to club into submission or drive out of office public officials who refuse to do the bidding of the powerful corrupt cliques which compose the invisible government."(1)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]This goes hand in hand with what the former New York Times editor John Swinton commented on in his book "A Momentous Question: The Respective Attitudes of Labor and Capital". He said that:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"We know the powers that are defying the people. Our Government is in the hands of pirates. All the power of politics, and of Congress, and of the administration is under the control of the moneyed interests. The adversary has the force of capital, thousands of millions of which are in his hand. He will grasp the knife of law, which he has so often wielded in his interest. He will lay hold of his forces in the legislature. He will make use of his forces in the press, which are always waiting for the wink, which is as good as a nod to a blind horse. Political rings are managed by skillful and unscrupulous political gamblers, who possess the 'machine' by which the populace are at once CONTROLLED AND CRUSHED."[/SIZE]

Col. Edward Mandell House

[SIZE=2]Franklin D. Roosevelt, himself a 33° Freemason and a Globalist, wrote a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House on November 21. 1933. House was then President Woodrow Wilson's close advisor. The letter said:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government every since the days of Andrew Jackson..."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]To many people the concept of a New World Order is quite abstract. What will the world look like under such a social order? What political system will be used?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The variety of political systems we have today are all controlled by this same Elite of people, which we commonly call the Illuminati. All those systems suit the Elite in different ways. They need them to oppose each other so they can create conflicts and wars, and they also use them very strategically to step by step ring in the New World Order. The goal is a socialistic super-state, based on the purest form of communism a la Karl Marx, but worse. All power will be centralized and in the hand of a World CEO (whom the Christians call the Anti-Christ) and his staff of people (the heads of the Illuminati families). The people will not be able to own any possessions; they are all owned by the Government. Everybody will have a place to live and a job (whether they want it or not). The "misfits" who cannot comply, or those who oppose, will be executed. The tolerance will be zero, and you will be forced by law to report on your neighbor if he/she is doing/saying something that goes against the will of the State.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Recognize it? Pretty much like the former Soviet Union, isn't it? But it will be worse than that. First of all, before the Super State can be established, the world population must decrease to at least 20% of today's population. The Illuminati believe they can't control 6 billion people, so therefore the population has to be decreased(2). This is done by creating wars, civil wars, religious wars, genocide, famine, global disasters and disease, to name a few. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]This is something they have been working on for a long, long time. The goal is not completed in one lifetime, and they know it. The top Illuminists are also occultists and believe in reincarnation, so they don't mind working on something that can't be accomplished in one lifetime, because they "know" they will come back after they die, and then the New World Order will be even more in progress. As a fact, the Illuminati (or its forerunners) has been around for thousands of years, but for the purpose of this article, it is enough to show their progress through the last one hundred years or so.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]But don't take my word for it. Let us see what the Globalists themselves have to say. I also want to show you the arrogance with which they plan all this, and how little they think of the rest of us.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]It strikes me that it seems to be human nature to look the other way instead of confronting the truth if the truth happens to be uncomfortable, and this blindness is a very non-survival thing. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]I was recently in Portland, Oregon, and visited the OMSI Theatre, where I watched a documentary show called "The Forces of Nature". One sequence was about earthquakes. A researcher had been researching this specific kind of natural disaster for a long period of time, also by visiting former earthquake areas, especially in Turkey. His purpose was to find some kind of structure, so he could predict where the next earthquake would hit. That way people could be warned in time to evacuate. He found a clear structure and was able to predict an earthquake that took place in a town in Turkey in 1999. Not far from that city lies Istanbul, which is supposed to have around 10 million citizens. Scientists have since long been able to PROVE that Istanbul will soon be hit by a major earthquake, but very, very few of the population has paid any attention and just shaken it off as rubbish. Not until the town next to them was affected they slowly started to wake up to the fact. Now the above researcher has predicted that the next earthquake area will be just 10 miles east of Istanbul, and it will be soon. 10 million people are at risk. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]My point here is that it is the same thing with "conspiracy". People are living in their comfort zones and god help those who try to break into that zone by telling them that there is a world outside that tends to threaten it. If you do, you will be viciously attacked, ridiculed, laughed off as a lunatic, or worse. It looks like, unfortunately, that people need to experience a disaster before they react to fact and evidence if it shakes their comfort zone. This is a shame, because often enough, when people finally react, it may be too late. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Then again, as a "survival thing", many people choose the side of the "winner" and start doing destructive things against others to survive. This was obvious in Nazi Germany during WW II, when ordinary citizens started reporting on their neighbors because they were afraid for their own safety and tried to satisfy their oppressors to win benefits. If the New World Order will take full effect, citizens, although they know better, will turn against "conspiracy theorists", who tried to warn and help them. This is not a prophecy of mine, it's just history repeating itself...[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Now over to what the Conspirators themselves have done and what they have to say about it. This article will [only] take us up to 1994, but that is enough to make my point. Since then the globalization agenda has speeded up considerably, but you will certainly be able to see that for yourself after have read this article: [/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]In May 1919, at Düsseldorf, Germany, the Allied Forces obtained a copy of the "Communist Rules for Revolution." Nearly 90 years later, they have almost succeeded in every area.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]A. Corrupt the young; get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness.
B. Get control of all means of publicity, thereby:
1. Get people's minds off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books, plays and other trivialities.
2. Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance.
3. Destroy the people's faith in their natural leaders by holding them up to contempt, ridicule and disgrace.
4. Always preach true democracy, but seize power as fast and as ruthlessly as possible.
5. By encouraging government extravagance, destroy its credit, produce fear of inflation with rising prices and general discontent.
6. Incite unnecessary strikes in vital industries, encourage civil disorders and foster a lenient and soft attitude on the part of government toward such disorders.
7. By specious argument, cause the breakdown of the old moral virtues - honesty, sobriety, self-restraint, faith in the pledged word, ruggedness.
C. Cause the registration of ALL firearms on some pretext with a view to confiscate them and leave the population helpless.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]If you look around, everyone of these rules are nearly complete in the U.S. today.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]In 1928, George Bernhard Shaw, himself a member of the Fabian Society of Socialists, revealed:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]",,,under Socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner."(3)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]This gives you a glimpse of how the New World Order will look like.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]Social philosopher Lewis Mumford and Catholic theologian Reinhold Niebuhr joined to publish "The City of Man: A Declaration on World Democracy" in 1941. Our forefathers at the Constitutional Convention deliberately rejected "democracy" as a vile form of government, yet Vladimir Lenin claimed that democracy was a necessary step toward world communism. Mumford and Niebuhr wrote:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"There is, indeed, no liberty but one; the right, which is a duty, of making oneself and others free through absolute allegiance to the final goal of man. DEMOCRACY must be redefined [as] a harmony subordinated to a plan, a purposive organism. It is the plenitude of heart service to a highest religion embodying the essence of all higher religions. Democracy is nothing more and nothing less than HUMANISM in theocracy and rational theocracy in universal humanism."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]And so they began to substitute "democracy" in the place of "Republic" as they changed our Constitution.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]Many resolutions were introduced into Congress after World War II calling for world government. Albert Einstein, a member of the United World Federalists and a dedicated Zionist, made a radio broadcast in 1947. He said:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"...the resolutions aim at a fundamental alteration of the United Charter, with a view to an eventual transformation of the United Nations into a WORLD GOVERNMENT."(4)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]UNESCO, in 1949, published quite some literature to subvert the United States. In a series of booklets with the title "Toward World Understanding", it states: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"The kindergarten has a significant part to play in the child's education. Not only can it correct many of the ERRORS OF HOME TRAINING, it can PREPARE THE CHILD FOR MEMBERSHIP IN THE WORLD SOCIETY. The success of the teacher is bringing up his pupils to be good citizens of the world. As long as the child breathes the poisoned air of nationalism, education in WORLD-MINDEDNESS can produce only precarious results."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Now it becomes understandable why the United States government is attacking Constitutionalists, patriots, Second Amendment Advocates, etc.

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[SIZE=2]
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]The Plot Thickens[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]I remember when the Berlin Wall fell. The whole world was celebrating and most people thought a new and better world was dawning. Many thought this was a beginning of the end of communism and oppression in the world, but things were not exactly the way it seemed. Here is more from Cleon Skousen:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"Set up East and West Germany as separate states to be merged later in a great 'peace' initiative."([/SIZE] 8)

[SIZE=2]This was in 1958![/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]Here is more from the same source, this time it is addressing the Mental Health field:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"Transfer some powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Threat all behavior problems as psychiatric disorders."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]
"Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals."(9)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]These are very significant statements. This is already happening to a large degree, but under a future One World Government, psychiatry will play an even bigger role. People who challenge, rebel and oppose the totalitarian system will be classified as mentally ill and transported to psychiatric clinics or concentration camps, where most of them will be executed, eventually. I urge you to read this article: U.S. To Use Psychiatric Prisons for Offenders. This is the beginning, and it will extend to include those who are protesting and in any shape and form are against the New World Order. [/SIZE]

Norman Thomas

[SIZE=2]In 1959, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for the President of the United States on the Socialist Party ticket said:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under the name Liberalism they will adopt every Fragment of the Socialist program until America will one day be a Socialist nation WITHOUT KNOWING HOW IT HAPPENED."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]We are supposedly not having a socialistic government today, but the above statement seems to be true, no matter if the Democrats or the Republicans are in power. They all work towards the same goal of World Socialism, disguised under the name Liberalism.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Psychology and psychiatry go hand in hand with the New World Order. They both are "sciences" controlled by the Illuminati, and important tools for them to achieving their goals.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]Professor of psychology at the University of Michigan, Dr. James McConnell stated:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"I teach a course called 'The Psychology of Influence', and I begin it by stating categorically that the time has come when, if you give me any normal human being and a couple of weeks, I can change his behavior from what it is not to whatever you want it to be, it it's physically possible. I can turn him from a Christian into a communist and vice versa. Look, we can do these things. We can CONTROL behavior. Now, who's going to decide what's to be done?"(10)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Professor McConnell admits already in 1966 that they have the techniques to control behavior in human beings on a larger scale. What do you think has happened since 1966?[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]A very blunt and telling statement came from the British Humanist Association in 1969, in a document entitled "Marriage and the Family". It stated:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"...some opponents of humanism have accused us of wishing to OVERTHROW the traditional Christian family. THEY ARE RIGHT. That is exactly what we intend to do."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The greatest opponents to the New World Socialist State are probably the Christians and the Muslims, as groups of people. And they are a large amount of the population. It doesn't matter what we think of Christian or Muslim values; it all comes down to that large groups, with their strict rules which they refuse to change, are big obstacles for the Elite. Because this Nation is founded largely upon Christian values, those have to go. The values of morals and ethics are not the same in Christendom as in Illuminism. They can't have both.
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[SIZE=2]Education and the New World Order[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]The educational field and the mass media were to start promoting subtly the idea of World Order. An article "Thinking About A New World Order for the Decade 1990," gave the following statement:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"The World Law Fund has begun a worldwide research and educational program that will introduce a new, emerging discipline - world order - into educational curricula of its energies on bringing basic world order concepts into the mass media, again on a worldwide level"(11)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Many parents, especially in the 1980s and 1990s, were disillusioned by the public school system and put their children in alternative schools instead. This happened both in the United States and in Europe. Often times they even put their kids in schools belonging to alternative religions, philosophies and cults, like Scientology, Waldorf school (Anthroposophy) and more, although they did not share their religious or philosophical beliefs behind that particular school. All they saw was that their educational system seemed to work better than the one our government offered. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Alternative schools have been attacked ever since they started; not always necessarily because they are better or worse than public school (although they often are better), but because kids that go to such schools are out of the government's control system and will be more difficult to indoctrinate. This doesn't mean that the kids will not be indoctrinated in alternative schools as well, due to that most of those schools also, overtly or covertly promote the religious and/or philosophical beliefs that are behind their educational system, but for the Elite that is beside the point. They want everything streamlined and uniform, so we all can be more easily manipulated. They want unity, not diversion. [/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]Also, the director of the American Humanist Association from 1975-80, Morris Storer, published "Humanist Ethics" in 1980. He claims:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"A large majority of the educators of American colleges and universities are predominately humanists, and a majority or the teachers who go out from their studies in colleges to responsibilities in primary and secondary schools are basically humanists, no matter that many maintain a nominal attachment to church or synagogue for good personal, social, or practical reasons."
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[SIZE=2]Further Goals Towards Globalization[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]In 1972 (not 1973 as promoted) the Trilateral Commission was founded by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski. It is still an extremely important organization to unite the American Continent, Europe and Asia. The Commission's roots stem from Dr. Brzezinski's book "Between Two Ages". The following quotations from that book show how closely Brzezinski's thinking parallels that of Council of Foreign Relations co-founder Marxist/Communist Col. Edward Mandell House:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory to reason over belief."(12)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]
"Marxism, disseminated on the popular level in the form of Communism, represented a MAJOR ADVANCE in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship to his world."(13)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"Marxism supplied the best available insight into contemporary reality."(14)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Finally, he lets us know that what he really wants is:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"the goal of world government."(15)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]In 1973 the "Humanist Manifesto II" was published. Quote:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"...the dawn of a new age, a secular society on a planetary scale, we begin with humans not God, nature NOT deity, a system of world law and a WORLD ORDER based upon transnational federal government, THE TRUE REVOLUTION IS OCCURRING."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Yes, indeed. Under the New World Order there is no God, no religion, no spirituality(16). Under the New World Order there is only science, technology, body without soul and a physical universe. Spirituality, philosophy and higher knowledge is reserved ONLY for the top Elite, who will continue their occult practices and hide the truth about us and the Universe from us. Why is this necessary? It is simple. If the population knows who they are on a higher level of existence; if they know about God and spirituality, they will be impossible to control. If we believe that this world and this life is all there is, we can be controlled much more easily.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]On December 10, 1973, National Security Council Memorandum 200, entitled "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests" was earmarked "classified and confidential." It was declassified 15 years later, in 1988. This document clearly revealed the action the U.S. government has taken in the population control movement. It goes like this:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"If future numbers are to be kept within reasonable bounds, it is urgent that measures to reduce fertility be started and made effective in the 1970s and 1980s. No country has reduced its population growth without resorting to ABORTION."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Here is another one, from the Rockefeller Foundation's annual report for 1975, which said:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"We are one world and there will be one future - for better of for worse - four us all. Central to the new ethic is controlled economic growth"..."It is also necessary to control fertility."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]I know people who have told me that it is a good thing to implement birth control, sterilization after x amount of kids etc. We are already too many people in this world, and people are starving and suffering because of this.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Firstly, we are not too many people on this planet yet, it is just that the resources are not shared equally. Secondly, in the Industrial world we have an abundance of food, which we tend to rather throw away than give to the third world countries. We have medicine and medical science well developed in the western world that we easily could share to help those in need in the third world. But we don't do it. Why? Because the Illuminati wants to reduce the population to a certain level. Therefore, it is not a matter of if the world is overpopulated or not, but the AGENDA behind reducing the population. It is not a matter of if we agree to some of the ideas that the New World Order prophets are coming up with or not, it is a matter of seeing the whole picture and the motives behind ideas and decisions! This is very important to remember. We can't get PARTS of the New World Order and throw away the rest. We either accept the New World Order as a package or reject it totally and start all over. There is no middle-way.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]However, there are good people in the government, too. Lots of good people, we need to remember that. The enemies of the people are just a few persons at the top, who covertly manipulate those under them. Some politicians are not so easy to manipulate though, and tend to speak out freely.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]In 1973, 32 Senators and 92 Representatives signed "A Declaration of Independence" which stated that we must "bring forth a new world order." Congresswoman Marjorie Holt refused to sign the treasonous document saying:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"It calls for the surrender of our national sovereignty to international organizations. It declares that our economy should be regulated by international authorities. It proposes that we enter a 'new world order' that would REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH created by American people."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Once again many our our Congressmen/Women have committed treason by signing Marxist/Communist documents to embrace their diabolical economic system that produces want and privation. The sad thing is that many representatives don't even "have the time" to read everything they sign, which in itself is treasonous. They are supposed to be the representatives for the people, and it should be of their greatest concern what they sign and don't sign, for all our future's sake.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]In 1977, for the first time, the Council on Foreign Relations came under scrutiny. The book "Imperial Brain Trust", by Shoup and Minter, criticized the CFR. Chapter headings such as "Shaping a New World Order: The Council's Blueprint for Global Hegemony, 1939-1944" and "Toward the 1980's: The Council's Plans for a New World Order" brought undeniable proof the Council on Foreign Relations was founded by Marxists and are working to destroy our nation and rebuild it as a Socialist/Communist country.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]
Senator Barry Goldwater

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[SIZE=2]Two years later, in 1979, Barry Goldwater, a retiring Senator from Arizona, published his autobiography, "With No Apologies". In this book he reveals the true mission of the powerful Trilateral Commission and of course its predecessor the Council on Foreign Relations - to dissolve the sovereignty of the United States to merge it into an all encompassing one-world-government.[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]Bertram Gross published his book, "Friendly Fascism: The New Face of Power in America" in 1980. One section was entitled "A Good Neighbor in a New World Order." Another section title was "Womb-to-Womb Dossier". He showed how[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"high-grade intelligence on individuals" [is already possible through] "the new statistical data banks being set up in the fields of education, health, and mental health. As of early 1980 detailed plans were worked out to register the country's young people WITHOUT THEIR KNOWING through what is known as 'passive' or 'faceless' registration. This would be done by compiling a computerized list of names and addresses by assembling the information from school records, the Internal Revenue Service, the Social Security systems, and state driver's license bureaus."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Gross explains how this information could be used for:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"direct character assassination and defamation. The creative assembly and unrelated sounds is now possible through electronic means. Through 'tape-recording,' a person's own voice may be used to say anything that the tape recorders WANT him to say." [He said it could be done by editing film and video tapes by] "the use of new RAVE [Random Access Video Editing] methods."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]After meeting with David Rockefeller of the Council on Foreign Relations and founder of the Trilateral Commission, the first item on the agenda for Ronald Reagan after his re-election was to call upon the Senate to ratify the Genocide Convention Treaty with the United Nations. This document is diabolical in that it is designed to be used against individuals, not nations. In Article II(b), it says those who are guilty of genocide are those who "cause mental harm." Now laws have been passed in every state to comply with the Genocide Treaty. They are called "hate crimes". Article III (e) says an individual could be punished for genocide for 'complicity' - being in agreement with someone's views on a subject. The United Nations wants to be in charge with its own courts(17).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]In 1986, an international meeting was held in Seoul, South Korea, a meeting which promoted the New World Order. Finance ministers from around the world heard the New World Order praised, and received a plea for a New World Order to replace the International Monetary Fund [IMF] and assume the debt of the Third World countries(18).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Former President George W. Bush, Skull & Bones, Council on Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission and Atlantic Council member, invited the Soviet Union to join the World Order in his speech to the graduating class of Texas A&M on May 12, 1989. [/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]Mikhail Gorbachev, the year after, in 1990, addressing a Stanford University audience, also talked of a new world:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"The Soviet Union and the United States have more than enough reasons to be partners in building it, a truly global economy, indeed, and the creation of a new civilization."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Then, of course, in a September 11(19), 1990, address to Congress, President Bush called the Gulf War an "opportunity for a New World Order, and a new age."[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]In addition to this, President Bush also showed his occult roots clearly in his 1991 "State of the Union" message. Here he talked of a [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"big idea - a new world order and the rule of law [meaning under the United Nations]." He also used veiled Freemasonic talk of "the illumination of a thousand points of light."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]The reason George Bush made those statements is because he is a member of the following organizations that are subversive to the Constitution of the United States:[/SIZE]

1. [SIZE=2]Board of Directors of the Atlantic Council[/SIZE]
2. [SIZE=2]Board of Directors of the Council on Foreign Relations[/SIZE]
3. [SIZE=2]Board of Directors of the Trilateral Commission[/SIZE]
4. [SIZE=2]Skull & Bones Secret Society (also known as the Brotherhood of Death)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]All of these organizations have one thing in common - dismantle the Constitution and merge us into World Government through the United Nations Organization.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]In 1992, William Greider wrote about "the global economy" in his book "Who Will Tell the People". He says economists think the American wage decline is inevitable for at least another generation, because worldwide patterns are moving toward equilibrium. That is exactly what Marxism calls for - redistribution of the wealth to make EVERYONE EQUAL. Greider, in his book, said globalization has a flavor of betrayal, since the upper stratum would benefit from Globalism while it hurts the other classes. He concludes that the depression of wages and the dismantling of national sovereignty is treason.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]Strobe Talbott was a 1992 Council on Foreign Relations Director and Trilateral Commission member. He was also a roommate of President Bill Clinton at Oxford University in England while both were Rhodes Scholars. In a published article, Talbott said:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"I'll bet that within the next hundred years nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. No matter how permanent and even sacred they may seem at any time, in fact they are all artificial and temporary. But it has taken the events in our wondrous and terrible century to CLINCH THE CASE FOR WORLD GOVERNMENT."(20)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]They would have three world wars and many smaller revolutionary wars to force the world into world government if they ever were to obtain peace. And the peace they are talking about is a world without borders, a One World Government, meaning peace for THEM to rule us in slavery.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]On September 27, 1992 CBS program "60 Minutes" and on September 29 ABC "Nightline" revealed that the U.S. Agency for International Development received and used tax money to promote relocation of American businesses to Central America resulting in massive loss of jobs in the U.S. Former President Bush, while visiting the Carolinas, was asked about the loss of textile jobs. He replied: "C'est la vie" or "that's life."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]On January 20, 1993, William Jefferson Clinton took the oath of the presidency and gave his address:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"Let us resolve to make our government a place for what Franklin Roosevelt called 'bold, persistent experimentation'. There is NO longer a clear division between what is FOREIGN and what is DOMESTIC, the world economy, the world environment, the world AIDS crisis, the world arms race, they effect us all. Today, as an Old Order PASSES, the New World is more free but less stable. When the will and conscience of the international community is defied, we will ACT with FORCE when necessary."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]After President Clinton took office, his staff began to come into the White House. Most of they wore red buttons on their shirts with a picture of the first COMMUNIST DICTATOR LENIN(21).[/SIZE]



Are You the Enemy of the U.S. Government?

[SIZE=2]In the ABC TV Mini-series, Amerika, that aired from February 15-22, 1987, those that did not want to be part of the New Age or New World Order were called "resisters". They were the enemies of the government because they wanted to retain their individual freedom. The government DECLARED them to be the enemies. That is exactly why the Anti-terrorism bill was passed - so President Clinton could declare anyone that did not agree with his New World Order agenda as terrorists or ENEMIES of the state. Want proof?[/SIZE]


[SIZE=2]The deputy chief of staff for intelligence at the Pentagon in 1994 was Major Ralph Peters. He wrote a position paper called Warrior Class. It stated: [/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]"The desire for patriotism [the sovereignty of our nation, our flag, our freedoms, and nationalism] is considered an ENEMY doctrine. The U.S. armed forces must be prepared to fight against all those who OPPOSE the New World Order and who are holding out for nationalism. This new warrior class IS MOST DANGEROUS because they consist of those who fight out of STRONG RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. There is a worldwide calss of patriots who number in the millions, and if the current trend continues, they may be more of these who love FREEDOM and are now the target of the New World Order. You cannot bargain and compromise with these warrious. We, as the military, need to commit more training time to COUNTER these warrior threats. We must have an ACTIVE CAMPAIGN to win over the populace. This must be coupled with irresistible violence(22)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]With this revealing statement I will end this article. Since 1994 much has happened, and the New World Order has escalated in an enormous speed. It is hard for us all to keep up with all the changes in the world. To continue writing about everything that has happened since 1994 would be the project of a very thick book, which I might write some day. But after have read this article, I am sure you get the point and hopefully will continue to do your own research and try to make a change in your own ways and abilities to help preventing this dark future called the New World Order from happening.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]We can all help out![/SIZE]

Footnotes:

(1) New York Times, March 27, 1922.
(2) See "The Depopulation Bomb", by Jim Keith and "The Witch-Hunt on Alternative Medicine", by Wes Penre
(3) "The Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism and Capitalism" by George Bernhard Shaw, 1928.
(4) The broadcast was entitled "The Immediate Need for World Law" and was broadcast on July 17, 1947.
(5) Read more about rock & roll and mind control in the section of my website especially dedicated to this subject:: "I Sold My Soul to Rock'n'Roll & Mind Control".
(6) "The Naked Communist", by W. Cleon Skousen, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 58-14464, copyright 1958.
(7) ibid.
(8) ibid.
(9) ibid.
(10)"Esquire Magazine", May 1966, article "Mind Control Is Good (or) Bad?"
(11)"War/Peace Report", article "Thinking About A New World Order for the Decade 1990," by Ian Baldwin, Jr., January 1990 issue.
(12) "Between Two Ages", by Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, Published 1970, p. 72.
(13)ibid, p. 83
(14)ibid, p. 123
(15)ibid, p. 308-309
(16)John Lennon, after he left The Beatles and started his solo career, heavily promoted the New World Order in songs like God and Imagine. In God he denied there is a God of any sort, saying all he believes in is himself and his wife Yoko. After that, it was easy for him to indoctrinate us with the lyrics in Imagine. His fans had already swallowed the concept.
(17) Proof: See article: (Ellis County Press, Thursday, December 12, 1996 - p. 3A.)
(18) We will see more and more how the Third World Countries will be helped by international forces to increase their living standards. The Globalists want the to level out the living standard all over the world, which means they will decrease the standard in countries like the U.S. and in Europe and increase the same in the Third World. One step in doing this is to forgive the debts of the Third World Countries.
(19) Those who are knowledgeable on the subject of the occult know how important numerology is for the Illuminati and their occult secret societies. There is definitely no coincidence that Bush spoke of a New World Order on September 11, 1990, exactly 11(!) years before the 9/11 disaster, which took place on September 11, 2001.
(20) Time Magazine article "The Birth of the Global Nation" by Strobe Talbott, July 20, 1992. (21) "UNLIMITED ACCESS - An FBI Agent Inside the White House" by FBI Agent Gary Aldrich .
(22) McAlvany Intelligence Advisor, May/June 1994, p.7. Although it is documented, Peters denies this![edit]
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Heeft één iemand nou dit alles echt helemaal afgelezen?

Alles blijven maar opstapelen dient automatisch maar één enkele doel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_by_association

Hitler loved dogs and children,

So if you love dogs and children, You = Hitler

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Tempest

Heeft één iemand nou dit alles echt helemaal afgelezen?

Alles blijven maar opstapelen dient automatisch maar één enkele doel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_by_association

Hitler loved dogs and children,

So if you love dogs and children, You = Hitler

Je geeft toe dat je het artikel niet heel gelezen hebt. Hoe kan je dan oordelen of we het over guilt by association hebben.

Als ik citaten post is het niet goed, want ze zijn uit de context gerukt. Als ik lange teksten post met veel duiding en uitleg om het bewijs te staven, krijg je replies dat erop wijzen dat ze het niet gelezen hebben. Conlusie de disbelievers willen het bewijs niet accepteren, zelfs al wordt het voor hun neus gelegd.

[exodus]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Firestone

Dus nu is KAL-007 door de Sovjets neergehaald om de ultra-reactionnaire Larry McDonald te pakken, omdat hij teveel wist over de NWO!
Discreter kon haast niet om de zever van McDonald tegen te werken!

Waar blijven ze het halen.

Er waren inderdaad samenzweringstheorieën rond KAL-007, oa omdat de Sovjets weigerden de zwarte dozen vrij te geven.
Dat is later onder Yeltsin wel gebeurd, en dan bleek dat het vliegtuig wel degelijk is neergestort (en niet veilig geland zoals Exodus insinueert).

Maar believers laten nooit een verhaal los, zo blijkt hier weer eens ...

(Ook blijkt nogmaals uit welke extremistische wijver deze verhalen meestal komen.)

Verdiep je je eens in het geval KAL-007, en je zal zien dat het bewijs verpletterend is dat het toestel geland is.

[exodus]

Hier een link van een interview van een man die KAL-007 bestudeerd heeft.

Hier zijn website waar veel bewijs te vinden is voor bovenstaande stelling.

[exodus]

De voice transcripts van de gesprekken van de Militairen die het vliegtuig beschoten zijn zelfs vrijgegeven na de val van de sovietunie, maar totaal genegeerd natuurlijk.Verpletterend bewijs. Daarin is duidelijk dat ze het vliegtuig wilden beschieten en dat het kunnen landen is en dat ze een rescue mission opgezet hebben voor de overlevenden.

Ooggetuigen van toen zeggen dat Larry McDonald direct afgezonderd is geweest en voor ondervraging naar Moskou is gebracht. In het interview en op de site vind je massa's info hierover.

Hier de conversatie van de militairen die op het vliegtuig aasden:

In Their Own Words”

Very often, the deepest penetration into the truth of a matter occurs when we allow,
without comment, the pivotal players and the keenest commentators to speak for
themselves. And so it is with the case of KAL 007.
On KAL 007’s condition after missile detonation
Lt. Col. Novoseletski, Smirnykh Air Base Flight Division acting Chief of Staff to Combat
Controller Titovnin while tracking KAL 007 on radar:

“Well, what is happening, what is the matter, who guided him in, he locked on,
why didn’t he shoot it down?”

Gen. Kornukov, Commander of Sokol Air Base, Sakhalin, and tactical commander of the
shootdown to Lt. Col. Gerasimenko, acting Commander , 41st Fighter Regiment:

“Well, I understand, I do not understand the result, why is the target flying?
Missiles were fired. Why is the target flying? [obscenities]. Well, what is
happening?”

On typical last words from the Cockpit Voice Recorder tapes of planes about to
crash

U.S. Air, Flight 427, Sept. 8, 1994, Pittsburgh, PA:
Captain: Oh God, Oh God…!
Approach: US Air.
Captain: Four Twenty-seven, emergency!
Copilot: [screams]
Captain: Pull
Copilot: Oh…
Captain: Pull...Pull…!
Copilot: God!
Captain: [screams]
Copilot: No!
End of tape

Atlantic Southeast Airlines Flight 529, Aug. 21, 1995, Carrolton, Georgia
Captain: [to copilot] Help me. Help me hold it. Help me hold it. Help me
hold it.
Cabin: [vibrating sound of the stick shaker indicating beginning stall]
Copilot: Amy, I love you.
Cabin: [Sound of grunting; sound of impact.]
End of tape

Compare with KAL 007, Captain Chun speaking to Copilot:
18:27:20: Now we have to set this.
18:27:23: Speed.
18:27:26: Stand by.. stand by.. stand by…
Set!
End of tape portion handed over by Russians

On KAL 007’s wide spiraling descent over tiny Moneron Island and the immediate
rescue missions ordered by the Soviets

Lt. Col. Gerasimenko: (6:34)

Turning left, right, apparently it is descending.

Gen. Kornukov: (6:36)

It is over Moneron.

Titovnin:

They lost the target, Comrade Colonel, in the area of Moneron.

Novoseletski:

In the area of Moneron?

Titovnin:

The pilots do not see it, neither the one nor the other. The radio forces have reported. RTF has reported that after the launch, the target entered a right turn over Moneron.

Novoseletski:

Uh-huh.

Titovnin:

Descending. And lost over Moneron.

Novoseletski:

So, the task. They say it has violated the State border again now?

Titovnin:

Well, it is the area of Moneron, of course, over our territory.

Novoseletski:

Get it! Get it! Go ahead, bring in the MiG 23.

Titovnin:

Roger. The MiG 23 is in that area. It is descending to 5,000 [meters]. The order has been given. Destroy upon detection.

Novoseletski: (6:47)

You don’t have the sunrise there yet?

Titovnin:

No, it will be in about thirty minutes.

Novoseletski:

Prepare whatever helicopters there are. Rescue helicopters.

Titovnin:

Rescue?

Novoseletski:

Yes. And there will probably be a task set for the area where the target was lost.

Titovnin:

Roger. Is this to be done through your SAR [Search and Rescue]?

Novoseletski:

Eh?

Titovnin:

Assign the task to Chaika through your SAR, Comrade Colonel, Khomutovodoes not come under us and neither does Novoaleksandrovska. We have nothing here.

Novoseletski:

Very well.

Titovnin:

Novoaleksandrovska must be brought to readiness and Khomutovo. The border guards and KGB are at Khomutovo.

Gen. Strogov (Deputy Commander of the Far East Military District: (6:54)

Hello… Hello, Titovnin… You s… [obscenities] I’ll lock you up in the guard house. Why don’t you pick up the phone?

Titovnin:

Comrade General, everyone was busy here.

Strogov:

You have nothing there to be busy with. Busy! What kind of nonsense is that?

So, where is Kornukov?

Titovnin:

Kornukov is here.

Strogov:

Put him on the phone.

Titovnin:

One minute. He is reporting to Kamenski, Comrade General.

Strogov:

So, what you need to do now. Contact these… [obscenities], these sailors, these,what do you… [obscenities]?

Titovnin:

Border guards?

Strogov:

Huh?

Titovnin:

Border guards?

Strogov:

Well, the civilian sailors.

Titovnin:

Understood.

Strogov:

The border guards. What ships do we now have near Moneron Island, if they are civilians, send [them] there immediately.

Titovnin:

Understood, Comrade General.

[exodus]

En hier over de behandeling van Larry McDonald dat er geen twijfel over laat bestaan dat hij een target was. Over hoe men aan deze info geraakt is kan je uitgebreid lezen op de site:

Congressman McDonald


Upon arrival in Moscow, McDonald was taken to the Lubyanka KGB prison where he was given the designation, “Prisoner Number 3.” While at the Lubyanka, he was kept in isolation, taken from his cell only for questioning. (The halls of Lubyanka are carpeted so that the footsteps of those being led away for questioning cannot be heard in the cells. Everyone is kept under constant observation through peepholes. Those who are allowed a bit of exercise are taken to small fenced in exercise yards on the roofs of the prison high above and invisible from the streets below.) He was interrogated several times by the head of the First Chief Directorate of the KGB, Vladimir Kryuchkov. (Kryuchkov was a member of the core group, the “Gang of Eight”, who sought to seize power from Mikhail Gorbachev in August 1991. He was arrested when the coup failed but was later released. He attended the inauguration of President Vladimir Putin—at Mr. Putin’s personal invitation—in 2000. Mr. Kryuchkov is now an internationally known lecturer.)

Following a number of questionings, Mr. McDonald was moved to the Lefortovo KGB prison also in Moscow for continued interrogation over a period of several months. In Lefortovo, prisoners were kept in cells that were artificially cooled to near freezing temperatures. These cells were about 1.5 meters on a side or roughly 4.5 feet. The dirt floors were submerged in water so that the prisoners either stood or lay down in mud. There might be a slanted bench against which the prisoner could lean with his feet against the opposite wall.

After a time in Lefortovo, Mr. McDonald was then moved to a “dacha” (summer house) in Sukhanova near Moscow where the interrogations continued. Mr. Shifrin’s sources indicated that they had strong reason to believe that, while in Sukhanova, McDonald was interrogated under drugs that may have eventually resulted in identity loss. He was brought eventually to a prison in Karaganda, Kazakhstan, the region where the Soviets had important nuclear missile test ranges and similar installations .