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Oud 17 augustus 2006, 10:31   #1781
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Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories

'There was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.'--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

'I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?'--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

'It was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear "Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop".'--Paramedic Daniel Rivera
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60118104223192


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Wednesday, 16 August 2006
Reporter Christopher Bollyn Beaten by Chicago Cops

By Christopher Bollyn
American Free Press
It's after 2 a.m. in the morning, my deadline is tomorrow, and I have been beaten up by the local police and my right elbow is sorely hurting, but I need to write down exactly what happened to me today before I go to sleep. Otherwise I will forget important details.

I was harassed, beaten, and shocked with a Tazer-like gun in my front yard before my wife and children, and then abused for 6 hours by the ADL-trained local police. I have every reason to believe it is because of my journalistic investigation into 9/11. I have been threatened before in my career as a journalist, but this is the first time I have been intentionally beaten and abused – by the cops.

I have investigated 9/11 since it happened and looked into the many unanswered questions of the terror attacks. I discovered last year that I had had at least two FBI informants crawling around my house for years. This is the main reason I do not feel safe in the United States. It is also why I spend much of the time in Europe or at safe houses in this country, with fellow 9/11 researchers like Ellen Mariani and Eric Hufschmid. I have two small children.

I have only been at my old home in Hoffman Estates for a couple of weeks, mainly because my road-weary children dearly love this old red house, which is the only home they have ever known. It is just a simple Hoffman-Rosner suburban Chicago tract home that my late parents bought in 1957, but it's home.

I had noticed an unusual amount of police activity around my house since I returned. We live on a quiet side street where one might normally see a police cruiser once or twice a week. Since I returned I have noticed all kinds of police cars and devices in the immediate proximity of my house.

But yesterday there was something very unusual around my house. It was an unmarked car with three armed men with body armor driving around my block as I rode my bike to the store. Who in the heck is that? I thought to myself. It looks like they are going to my house, but I won't be there, I thought.

Then today, the same time and the same car with three men passed slowly by my house where the neighborhood kids were playing. "Hello, FBI," I said from my porch and waved.

The man in the front passenger seat waved back. I immediately alerted my wife and kids. Helje said I should stop them and ask them what they want.

For background, today I was working on two rather big stories and I made a lot of phone calls to the Embassy of Israel, the S.E.C., the office of the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, and to an old Israeli living in New York who I have suspicions may be a key player in 9/11. I'd like to discuss this lead but I can't at this point.

All of my calls were about 9/11 related, except for the calls to the Embassy and local consulate of Israel. These were standard journalistic inquiries about Israel casualties and losses in Lebanon. The Embassy press department didn't like my questions, but I told them it's my job. I wanted to know about the number of dead and wounded and if 60 Merkava tanks had been taken out, as Hezbollah claims.

Then I also asked where exactly the two Israeli soldiers had been abducted. I told them that there were at least 15 newswire stories that said the soldiers had been captured in the Lebanese village of Aitaa al-Shaab – inside Lebanon. He was surprised to hear that, too.

Apart from my un-disclosable investigation, the other calls were about how Jacob "Kobi" Alexander was able to flee with more than $60 million dollars last week, several months after it was public knowledge that he and the other Israelis working with Comverse Technology, Ltd. had swindled hundred of millions through fraudulent stock options trades. This has been going on for years, and The Wall Street Journal and Globes (Israel) reported the names and the amounts last March. For crying out loud, my newspaper, American Free Press, reported it in April 2005.

I wanted to know from the SEC and the U.S. Attorney's office how this Kobi Alexander was able to wire $60 million to his account in Israel and flee New York without any body stopping him. "If I wired $5 million to Norway the whole NSA and FBI would be all over me," I said.

The U.S. Attorney's office said they "expect" Kobi will turn himself in. Note to the wise: Don't count on it.

Kobi Alexander was one of the owners and developers of Odigo software which allowed Israelis to communicate instantly on 9/11. It was via the "buddy system" on Odigo software, which allows one to communicate to a large group of people that share a trait, such as the Hebrew language, that thousands of Israelis were warned not to go to the twin towers on 9/11.

Kobi Alexander's Mossad-linked company, Comverse Technology, was a developer and owner of Odigo since early 2000, something The New York Times does not consider to be part of "All the News that's Fit to Print." Comverse makes a black box system called the "Audio Disk" that police, intelligence and security agencies, and governments around the world, have attached to their phone networks. This simple device allows the Israeli employees of Comverse back in Tel Aviv to hear and intercept all the data being exchanged by these naive agencies...everything.

Hello...?

I had finished all of my calls and watched the first part of the Lou Dobb's news program on CNN and was on my way to the store, when I stepped out on the stoop and saw this threatening dark car full of obvious agents of some sort. I immediately warned my wife and kids and rode the bike to the store.

Something is not right, I said to myself, and I stopped at the local wine shop and asked to use the phone. I called 911 and told them that a strange car with armed men is driving around my neighborhood for no apparent reason. I was told that a police car would meet me at my house in 20 minutes.

I was just in my house a few minutes when the very same suspicious car stopped in front of my house and three armor-clad men stood on my driveway. I had just been calling the police department and put down the phone. I was more than a little surprised to see these armor-clad thugs on my driveway.

My wife and 8-year old daughter were already there and I asked these men who they were and why they were harassing my street. Why are you driving around with this unmarked car around my house, I asked? Who are you, anyway? They were not at all willing to identify themselves and were very confrontational, to say the least.

I ran to my front door to call my brother when the three of them tackled me and shocked me with some sort of stun-gun. The three men then sat on me and pushed my face in the dirt, handcuffed me and put me in their car.

Remember, I had called 911 because of a suspicious car in my neighborhood, a neighborhood I have known since 1957, when my parents helped found this town.

I have two small children, after all, and this car looked very threatening to me. This is what I call my normal neighborhood obligations, but I discovered that they are actually watching us. They even joked about it at the station later. "We are watching you," they said.

It should be noted that my neighborhood does not have any crime or gangs or anything of that nature that would warrant an undercover squad to patrol around my house day after day. This is why it is so suspicious. And why are they patrolling around my house?

As they pummeled me, my wife was pleading for me and my daughter was crying. I really wanted my brother, my neighbors, and my son to come help me but before even one minute had passed there were dozens of cops and firemen in my front yard.

Where did they all come from so quickly? How were so many police in my neighborhood at the same time? This is most unusual, as Hoffman Estates is spread out all over northwest Cook County, but there were at least 5 squad cars and at least 10 officers in my front yard within one minute of my being beaten up on my lawn.

Sitting in the squad car with handcuffs on is when the private abuse began. Officer Fitzgerald indulged in offending me, my late mother, a village pioneer, and then threatened to beat me.

When another officer came to the car, he told me that this guy was going to beat the ---- out of me. When I repeated what he said word for word, he would say, "I didn't say that."

He then started to drive me to the station, which is about three miles away from the old village center where I live. Bombarded with continuous verbal abuse, when I would say something from the back-seat he would slam on the brakes so that my head hit the plexi-glass separation window. Typical Chicago cop torture treatment; rough the guy up on the way to the station. This is exactly the kind of thing that I ran against when I ran for mayor of this town in 2001.

I decided to lean back on the seat and not say another word.

When we got to the station, there was a host of white-gloved cops waiting for me in the police garage. When Officer Fitzgerald drove in to the garage, he told the 10-12 waiting cops: "He says cops are a bunch of ……….. You can take care of him now."

When they took me out, I informed them that I am a journalist and will write about their treatment. The verbal abuse now came from all sides. They told me I should get out of town, etc. I told them that my dear parents had founded Hoffman Estates, but they didn't care.

When I was in the station they forcibly stripped off my belt and tore of my shirt leaving me clad only in shorts and undershirt. I asked why I was being detained and they told me that I had resisted arrest and threatened the police with my fists, two complete lies.

I was never the subject of any arrest. I had called to police to report a suspicious vehicle driving around my home!

I was thrown into a cell with no water. I asked for a drink of water and was told, "Drink from the toilet."

Why am I being treated this way, I wondered?

At midnight, an officer came to my cell and asked if I could pay $100 to get out. What I am being charged with, I asked? I called the police and they beat me up in my front yard, I protested.

What did I do to deserve that?

My older brother had posted bail and shortly after midnight, I was pushed out onto the street with a good two-mile walk home.

I am shocked at how I was treated, because although my journalism gets me into trouble with police in many places, I have never been treated so brutally in my life. I honestly believe this brutal treatment is connected to my 9/11 research.

I intend to seek asylum in Norway or Switzerland. I can read the writing on the wall.

Investigative journalists are not safe in Iraq – or the United States.


vrije pers eh???

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/2749/48/

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The Government's 9/11 Façade is Crumbling

by John Perry, Aug 10, 2006

Any time two or more people are knowingly involved in the commission of a crime, there is, by definition, a conspiracy. This is not a theory, folks. It's a stone-cold, undeniable fact. So the real question about 9/11 is not whether there was a conspiracy, but indeed exactly who the conspirators are.

It really is this simple:


1) Either 19 guys with box cutters, led by a guy hiding in a cave in Afghanistan, were able to hijack four major airliners, fly them with expert precision (even though flight instructors say they could barely even fly Cessnas), avoid the most sophisticated air defense system in the history of the world and hit three of four targets in New York and Washington, killing nearly 3000 people and thus pulling off history's most spectacular terrorist attack,

Or:

2) A rouge criminal element within our own government, with the means, motive and standing to benefit tremendously, both financially and politically, either helped to make it happen or fully orchestrated it themselves.


By the way, about that guy hiding in the cave in Afghanistan that supposedly led the hijackers: In June of this year, when questioned about why Osama bin Laden's wanted poster did not mention the 9/11 attacks, an official from the FBI stated that they had "no hard evidence" of his involvement (Google "FBI no hard evidence").


9/11 Truth Movement Gaining Steam

Nineteenth century philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer said the following about truth:

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

Similarly, Gandhi said this:
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."

The importance of America and the world accepting and reacting accordingly to the horrible truth about 9/11 cannot be overstated. If you think it doesn't affect you because you didn't lose anybody on 9/11, or you don't have any loved ones (civilians or military) in the midst of George W. Bush's subsequent and utterly bogus "war on terror", I would urge you in the strongest possible terms to rethink your position.

We must not only be concerned with exacting proper justice for the mass murder of 9/11. We must also be concerned with ending the tide of tyranny that has begun to wash over us as a result of that tragic day, threatening freedom, democracy, and the world as we know it. They who seek to rule us with an iron fist, pretending to protect us by destroying our liberty, must be told in no uncertain terms that we the people thoroughly reject their despotism, in favor of the constitutional democracy that our country has lived by for more than 200 years.

Thankfully, many more are beginning to awaken to the truth of 9/11, and that can only be good. But we have a long way to go. There are, as you might imagine, many websites dedicated to this issue. If I could recommend a single site to point people to in the effort to grow our movement, it would be Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Bookmark it and refer to it often. You will also reach many other sites from there.

The single most influential voice of the 9/11 truth movement is unquestionably Alex Jones. Visit his sites here and here.

In June of this year, Jones conducted a 9/11 symposium that was broadcast multiple times on CSPAN. Put 90 minutes aside and watch it here.

In addition to the Jones symposium and its multiple broadcasts on CSPAN, two national polls have recently come out (one just last week) that show very significant doubt of the "official story" of 9/11 among the American people, indicating rapid mainstream growth of the 9/11 truth movement.

A Scripps Howard / Ohio University poll, released last week, reveals that 36 percent of Americans now believe it is either "somewhat likely" or "very likely" that the government was involved in the 9/11 attacks.

Additionally, a Zogby International Poll, released in May, revealed that 42 percent of Americans believe that the (9/11 Commission and the government are "covering up".



These numbers might seem surprising, given the precious little positive exposure our movement has received from the mainstream media to this point (with the exception, of course, of the excellent coverage of the Jones 9/11 Symposium by CSPAN). But I believe what they actually reveal is that as people continue to witness things like the mountain of Bush lies that launched the disaster that is Iraq, his pathetic lack of any kind of coherent plan to get us out, warrantless wiretapping, secret examining of our banking records, bogus signing statements, his belief that he is above the law, and his obvious contempt for the Constitution ("Stop throwing the Constitution in my face...It's just a goddamned piece of paper"), they're putting two and two together, questioning everything, doing their homework and learning the truth for themselves.
Imagine where these poll numbers will go if the mainstream media really starts giving the truth movement some legitimate coverage.

From the Zogby poll, incidentally, it's also very interesting to note that 43 percent were not aware of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on 9/11. This was a 47-story building that did have small fires burning in various places, but was not hit by any airplane, nor by either of the falling twin towers, yet collapsed straight down, at free-fall speed, into its own footprint at around 5:30 that afternoon. There has never been an official explanation given for the collapse of building 7, and the 9/11 Commission completely ignored the collapse in its final report.

Is it not disturbing that a 47-story building became the third steel frame structure in history to completely collapse on its own, the first two being WTC towers 1 and 2 earlier that same day, and the 9/11 Commission didn't care enough to even comment on it? Many have burned for as long as several days, but no steel frame building anywhere in the world had ever collapsed due to fire before 9/11, and none have collapsed due to fire since 9/11.


Pentagon False Flag

As far as the Pentagon is concerned, there is no concrete evidence of a 757 crash. Something obviously did hit the building, of course, but photos indicate that it was something much smaller. A 757 is 155 feet long, 44 feet high (to the top of the rear stabilizer), with a 124 foot wingspan and two engines that are each 8 feet in diameter, each weighing 6 tons. The building is 71 feet tall.

The initial Pentagon impact (before the partial building collapse) left a round hole approximately 16 feet in diameter, with fully intact windows directly above and to each side. There was no initial damage to the building where the wings, engines or tail of a 757 would have hit.

Whatever really did hit the Pentagon is no doubt seen clearly on the security videotapes that were confiscated from the nearby gas station and Sheraton National Hotel by the FBI within minutes of the impact on the morning of 9/11, which is why they have never been released. Doesn't it seem odd that our TV screens were plastered with thousands of images of planes flying into the World Trade Center in the first few days after 9/11, yet we have never been shown the full motion video of the Pentagon impact that is known to exist? What are they hiding?

The PNAC Factor

No story on this issue would be complete without mentioning the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a neo-conservative, pro-war "think tank", hell bent on mobilizing America's massive military strength to serve their own worldwide imperial mission.

PNAC counts among its membership such prominent people as Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secreatry Donald Rumsfeld, Cheney's former chief of staff Scooter Libby, Rumsfeld's former assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz (who now heads the World Bank), and Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida and the president's brother.

In September of 2000, PNAC issued a report called Rebuilding America's Defenses (you'll need a pdf file reader – get it free from Adobe), which is basically their war manifesto.

Wolfowitz is said to be the main architect of the manifesto, which is based on a document called "The Wolfowitz Doctrine", written in 1992 by then Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Wolfowitz and his then assistant Libby.

Of course, PNAC couldn't initiate their plan without having people in very prominent positions in government to pull the right strings. That's why Cheney, when tapped to lead the search for George W. Bush's vice presidential running mate for the 2000 election, chose himself. He then of course made sure his long time, war mongering, neocon friend Don Rumsfeld (they go back to the Nixon administration together) was inserted as the new Defense Secretary, another key position. Wolfowitz and Libby followed to fill their respective positions in the new Bush government.

See my original article on 9/11 – "The Ugliest Truth", for details on the cozy little 35 year friendship between Rummy and Uncle Dick, as well as many links for you to explore regarding the truth about 9/11.

The problem the PNAC had, even with all the right people in place, was that they couldn't launch a war and initiate their plan just because they wanted to. The people would never go for it, and Congress would never fund it. They needed an excuse.

Indeed, this is something they themselves recognized. On page 51 of "Rebuilding America's Defenses" (again, issued in September of 2000, one year before 9/11), you will find the following quote:

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."

So once again, I ask you:

19 pissed off guys with boxcutters, whose only apparent benefit was the supposed 72 virgins waiting for them when they got to the other side, or a rouge criminal element within our own government, with the means, motive and standing to benefit tremendously, both financially and politically?

May the truth soon be revealed for the entire world to see.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/081306a.htm

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Pinda, zoals de Hertog van Gerle reeds opmerkte, ben je inderdaad kwaadaardig.

Je enige motief lijkt negativisime te zijn.
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Hier een interessante analyse van Loose Change door super-believer Michael B. Green.

Hij wijst op de talrijke leugens, inconsistenties, negeren van storende feiten, platte propaganda in Loose Change.

Hij denkt dat Loose Change een desinformatie tool is, bedoeld om "goede argumenten" te discrediteren door ze samen met flagrant valse argumenten te brengen.
Je hebt zeker een punt, maar momenteel gaat het daar voor mij niet om. 9-11 is inside en hoe meer mensen daar dingen van opvangen hoe beter. Er zitten een aantal twijfelachtige zaken in verwerkt maar de rode draad is wel correct. Het is misschien spijtig dat het zo moet gebeuren maar liever ruchtbaarheid dan windstilte.
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Pinda, zoals de Hertog van Gerle reeds opmerkte, ben je inderdaad kwaadaardig.

Je enige motief lijkt negativisime te zijn.
Dat is een interpretatie zoals een andere
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Dat is een interpretatie zoals een andere
yep, ik zie echt niet in wat er kwaadaardig is aan mijn postings.
Ik probeer zo veel mogelijk mensen in te lichten over wat er aan komt zodat we het hopelijk kunnen stoppen
Ik viond het nogal een erg boude uitspraak die nergens door onderbouwd wordt.
Mischien is het moeilijk voor Parcifal dat ik totaal anders denk dan Parcifal.
Let wel, anders zeg ik! Niet beter, niet slechter, anders!!


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yep, ik zie echt niet in wat er kwaadaardig is aan mijn postings.
Ik probeer zo veel mogelijk mensen in te lichten over wat er aan komt zodat we het hopelijk kunnen stoppen
Ik viond het nogal een erg boude uitspraak die nergens door onderbouwd wordt.
Mischien is het moeilijk voor Parcifal dat ik totaal anders denk dan Parcifal.
Let wel, anders zeg ik! Niet beter, niet slechter, anders!!
Nergens door onderbouwd?

1. je breekt alles af op basis van vage kritiek en doembeelden (wetenschap, pers, schoolsysteem, overheid,...)
2. je geeft geen enkel fundamenteel verifieerbare bron of bewijs voor geen van je beweringen.
3. je kan of wil niet antwoorden op simpele vragen van sceptici en critici.
4. je geeft geen enkel alternatief.

Op basis van deze feiten noem ik jou een kwaadaardige troll en een fontein van negativisme.
Als dat niet onderbouwd is, ben ik pinokkio.

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Hey Pinokio !

Pindar citeert toch alleen maar ? Ik vermoed dat Parcifal zelf ambities heeft in negatieve zin....
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Nergens door onderbouwd?

1. je breekt alles af op basis van vage kritiek en doembeelden (wetenschap, pers, schoolsysteem, overheid,...)
2. je geeft geen enkel fundamenteel verifieerbare bron of bewijs voor geen van je beweringen.
3. je kan of wil niet antwoorden op simpele vragen van sceptici en critici.
4. je geeft geen enkel alternatief.

Op basis van deze feiten noem ik jou een kwaadaardige troll en een fontein van negativisme.
Als dat niet onderbouwd is, ben ik pinokkio.
zeur niet zo! Boekjes al gelezen. die ik en bv Exodus aanraden??

En... ik ben slechts de boodschapper hoor.

Ik zeg wat ik ontdekt heb, en anderen met mij.
Dat het negatief is ben ik helemaal met U eens!!!! Daarom
zet ik mijn postings hier. Omdat ik het anders wil zien uiteindelijk.
Of zegt U nu dat ik mijn mening niet mag geven?
En geen oplossingen. hmmm dan lees je niet goed. eb net nog een stuk neergezet over creativiteit. Maar goed als ik nog geen oplossingen geef, is dat nog geen reden om niet te plaatsen wat ik plaats.
Kan je het nog volgen?


Niet alles is hier neer te zetten, ga zelf eens wat graafwerkzaamheden verrichten!

Hier laat ik het weer bij voor vandaag.


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Je hebt zeker een punt, maar momenteel gaat het daar voor mij niet om. 9-11 is inside en hoe meer mensen daar dingen van opvangen hoe beter. Er zitten een aantal twijfelachtige zaken in verwerkt maar de rode draad is wel correct. Het is misschien spijtig dat het zo moet gebeuren maar liever ruchtbaarheid dan windstilte.
9/11 is geen inide job.
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Er zijn momenteel nog geen concrete bewijzen, maar ik ben er vrijwel zeker van dat het weer een inside job is.
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Nergens door onderbouwd?

1. je breekt alles af op basis van vage kritiek en doembeelden (wetenschap, pers, schoolsysteem, overheid,...)
2. je geeft geen enkel fundamenteel verifieerbare bron of bewijs voor geen van je beweringen.
3. je kan of wil niet antwoorden op simpele vragen van sceptici en critici.
4. je geeft geen enkel alternatief.

Op basis van deze feiten noem ik jou een kwaadaardige troll en een fontein van negativisme.
Als dat niet onderbouwd is, ben ik pinokkio.
Kan je niet met de informatie omgan ofzo? Pindar is helemaal niet negatief, ok de inhoud van de berichten zijn dat misschien wel, maar je ziet toch zelf dat er in de wereld veel shit aan de gang is met de oorlog in Libanon en de dreiging van het terrorisme. Wij zeggen dat dat van de NWO komt.

Dit gezegd zijnde, er is geen reden tot negativisme als men bewust is van de NWO. We zitten in dat straatje, en we zullen ermee moeten omgaan. Ik ben zelfs gematigd positief omdat meer en meer mensen ervan wakker worden.
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Nergens door onderbouwd?

1. je breekt alles af op basis van vage kritiek en doembeelden (wetenschap, pers, schoolsysteem, overheid,...)
2. je geeft geen enkel fundamenteel verifieerbare bron of bewijs voor geen van je beweringen.
3. je kan of wil niet antwoorden op simpele vragen van sceptici en critici.
4. je geeft geen enkel alternatief.

Op basis van deze feiten noem ik jou een kwaadaardige troll en een fontein van negativisme.
Als dat niet onderbouwd is, ben ik pinokkio.
Dat is een interpretatie zoals een andere

1. Pindar geeft voorgerechtjes waar iedereen de vrijheid heeft van op in te gaan of niet en ze van naderbij te bekijken.
2. Pindar uit kritiek, in zijn ogen terecht, maar iedereen is vrij deze te interpreteren
3. Pindar geeft wel bronnen, ik ben er al dikwijls door verzeild geraakt op sites die ik nog nooit gezien had en niet eens wist dat ze bestonden
4. Pindar geeft inderdaad weinig directe antwoorden op vragen
5. Pindar geeft geen alternatieven, maar dat is juist de taak van diegene die er wil tegen in gaan
6. Pindar gebruikt VEEL te VEEL blanco lijnen

PS: Uw post was inderdaad onderbouwd
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9/11 is geen inide job.
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9/11 is geen inide job.
Ik dacht dat jij weg was en we van je onzin verlost zouden zijn?
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Ik snap nog altijd niet dat ze in deze BULLSHIT van inside job van 9/11 kunnen geloven.
Het bewijs is toch reeds geleverd dat de 2 WTC torens zijn ingestort vanwege de 2 Vliegtuigen.
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Aandacht: Nu maandag 21/08 op Ter Zake Zomer een samenvatting van loose change 2!! En de dag erna is er nog een reportage over 11 sept. maar die gaat dan in op de mensen die niet geloven in complottheoriën.

Programmeer uw VCR al maar

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Ik snap nog altijd niet dat ze in deze BULLSHIT van inside job van 9/11 kunnen geloven.
Het bewijs is toch reeds geleverd dat de 2 WTC torens zijn ingestort vanwege de 2 Vliegtuigen.
Ocharme Hellfigger, ocharme, vooral met die 'toch' maakt U indruk!
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Dat is een interpretatie zoals een andere


4. Pindar geeft inderdaad weinig directe antwoorden op vragen

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Soms wel, soms niet. In ieder geval begin ik geen discussie meer
met Flinsteen en Parcibal.
Verder wordt ik vaak al afgebrand voor ik de eerste zin al
gezegd heb. Ten tweede kan je soms moeilijk in een zinnetje
veel over de NWO zeggen en dan verwijs ik naar andere bronnen.


5. Pindar geeft geen alternatieven, maar dat is juist de taak van diegene die er wil tegen in gaan

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Ik geef (soms) wel alternatieven, zoals die over de creativiteit.
En het inlichtten op zich vind ik erg erg erg belangrijk. maar dat is
vaak al moeilijk genoeg. Mijn hoop is dat de mensen zelf een gaan nadenken ipv als makke schapen de voorgekauwde troep van de overheid
(lees ropaganda) zo maar voor zoete kloek te slikken
Da's een van mijn doelen.

6. Pindar gebruikt VEEL te VEEL blanco lijnen
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ja ja , ok, sorry!
Nuff said


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Ik snap nog altijd niet dat ze in deze BULLSHIT van inside job van 9/11 kunnen geloven.
Het bewijs is toch reeds geleverd dat de 2 WTC torens zijn ingestort vanwege de 2 Vliegtuigen.
Gisteren de film "9-11 the greatest lie ever sold" gezien.

Zie je een oud vrouwtje heel scherp en heel fel in de camera (ongeveer) dit beweren:

Citaat:
USA kan een eender welk vliegtuig op tijd onderscheppen als het nodig is.
Op 9-11 is dat niet gebeurd.
Je moet dan wel heel dom zijn om dan te denken dat de USA regering er niet in zit.


Trouwens, en dat had ik zelf niet zo verwacht, je ziet toch wel dat heel veel Amerikanen er ook zo over denken, dat 9-11 een inside job was!




my two cents

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