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Banneling
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Secretaris-Generaal VN
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Deze foto's, het lange artikel van Abovetopsecret, papers van wetenschappers over de WTC-instorting, debunking van de "geen Boeing in het Pentagon"-hypothese (zelfs door minder domme conspiracy-sites), ze zijn hier allen al de revue gepasseerd, hoor. Zonder enige inhoudelijke reactie uiteraard. Alles wat niet schreeuwt "inside job" wordt door sommigen gewoon genegeerd. Heel vreemd, maar soit.
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The method of science is tried and true. It is not perfect, it's just the best we have. And to abandon it, with its skeptical protocols is the pathway to a dark age. -- Carl Sagan Laatst gewijzigd door Firestone : 22 augustus 2006 om 15:02. |
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Minister-President
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Locatie: Post-Industrial Zero-Growth Control Grid Society of the NWO-One-World-Government Global Police State
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+de meesten nemen denk ik het standpunt in waarbij ze de mogelijkheid open houden dat het een Boeing 757 was die in het Pentagon gevlogen is.
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Never Trust Anything that is Knighted...Drain Away the Blue Blood To Them We Are Fair Game... Unconsciously Confined... Laatst gewijzigd door Lex Blanca : 22 augustus 2006 om 15:14. |
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Banneling
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moeten werken om die Boeing effectief te kunnen identificeren? |
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Parlementslid
Geregistreerd: 2 april 2005
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In het welles nietjesspel over Vlucht 77 en het Pentagon wil ik ook wel eens deelnemen.
Steevast gaat de discussie over wat er zichtbaar is na de crash. In het kort komt het hierop neer: De schade kan niet veroorzaakt zijn door een Boeing 757 en er zijn te weinig brokstukken die bovendien te klein zijn voor een Boeing 757. Ik heb het al dan niet Boeing zijn eens van een ander gezichtspunt bekeken. Namelijk vanuit de vluchtleidingstorens waar de verkeersleiders de perikelen van Vlucht 77 konden volgen op hun radarschermen. Hieruit blijkt dat ze die Boeing op hun radarschermen hebben kunnen volgen tot op het moment van zijn inslag in het Pentagon. De chronologische feiten 8:20 a.m.: American Airlanes Flight 77 (A Boeing 757-223) departs from Dulles International Airport near Washington. 8:50 a.m.: The last radio contact with Flight 77 is made when a pilot asks for clearance to fly higher. However, six minutes later, the plane fails to respond to a routine instruction. Presumably, it is hijacked during that time. Indianapolis flight control center is handling the plane by this time. 8:54 a.m.: Flight 77 from Washington begins to go off course over southern Ohio, turning to the southwest. 8:56 a.m.: Flight 77’s transponder signal is turned off at this time. The Indianapolis flight controller in charge of the flight has watched it go off course and head southwest before the signal disappears. He looks for primary radar signals along its projected flight path as well as in the airspace where it has started to turn. He cannot find the plane. He tries contacting the plane but gets no answer. “‘American 77, Indy,’ the controller said, over and over. ‘American 77, Indy, radio check. How do you read?’ By 8:56 a.m., it was evident that Flight 77 was lost.” He assumes Flight 77 has experienced electrical or mechanical failure. 8:56-9:05 a.m.: Flight 77 Disappears from Radar Screens. “Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked [Flight 77] from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56 [am.].” However, for eight minutes and 13 seconds, this primary radar data is not displayed to Indianapolis flight controllers. “The reasons are technical, arising from the way the software processed radar information, as well as from poor primary radar coverage where American 77 was flying.” After 9:00 a.m.: Shortly after 9:00 a.m., Indianapolis flight control begins to notify other government agencies that American 77 is missing and has possibly crashed. For instance, at 9:08 a.m., Indianapolis contacts Air Force Search and Rescue at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, and tells them to look out for a downed aircraft. They also contact the West Virginia State Police, and ask whether they have any reports of a downed aircraft. 9:05 am (and After): Flight 77’s radar blip, missing for the last eight minutes, reappears on Indianapolis flight control’s primary radar scope. It is east of its last known position. It remains in air space managed by Indianapolis until 9:10 a.m., and then passes into Washington air space. Two managers and one flight controller continue to look west and southwest for the flight, but don’t look east. 9:10 a.m.: Washington flight control notices a new eastbound plane entering its radar with no radio contact and no transponder identification. They do not realize it is Flight 77. 9:29 a.m.: Flight 77’s autopilot is disengaged. The plane is flying at 7,000 feet and is about 38 miles west of the Pentagon. Information from the plane’s recovered flight data recorder later will indicate the pilot had entered autopilot instructions for a course to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (which is nearby the Pentagon). 9:30 a.m.: Radar tracks Flight 77 as it closes within 30 miles of Washington. Todd Lewis, flight controller at Washington’s Dulles Airport, later recalls, “... my colleagues saw a target moving quite fast from the northwest to the southeast. So she—we all started watching that target, and she notified the supervisor. However, nobody knew that was a commercial flight at the time. Nobody knew that was American 77. ... I thought it was a military flight.” Another account is similar, saying that just before 9:30 a.m., a Dulles Airport controller sees an aircraft without a transponder traveling almost 500 mph headed toward Washington. In yet another account, Danielle O’Brien, the Dulles flight controller said to be the first to spot the blip, claims she doesn’t spot it until it is around 12 to 14 miles from Washington.. 9:30 a.m.: Chris Stephenson, head flight controller at Washington’s Reagan National Airport tower, says that he is called by the Secret Service around this time. He is told an unidentified aircraft is speeding toward Washington. Stephenson looks at the radarscope and sees Flight 77 about five miles to the west. He looks out the tower window and sees the plane turning to the right and descending. He follows it until it disappears behind a building in nearby Crystal City, Virginia. 9:33-9:37 a.m.: Radar data shows Flight 77 crossing the Capitol Beltway and headed toward the Pentagon. However, the plane, flying more than 400 mph, is too high when it nears the Pentagon at 9:35 a.m., crossing the Pentagon at about 7,000 feet up. The plane then makes a difficult high-speed descending turn. It makes a “downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7,000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes. The steep turn is so smooth, the sources say, it’s clear there [is] no fight for control going on.” It gets very near the White House during this turn. “Sources say the hijacked jet ... [flies] several miles south of the restricted airspace around the White House.” The Daily Telegraph later writes, “If the airliner had approached much nearer to the White House it might have been shot down by the Secret Service, who are believed to have a battery of ground-to-air Stinger missiles ready to defend the president’s home. The Pentagon is not similarly defended.” 9.36 a.m.: Reagan Airport flight control instructs a military C-130 (Golfer 06) that has just departed Andrews Air Force Base to intercept Flight 77 and identify it. The pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Steve O’Brien, claims he took off around 9:30 a.m., planning to return to Minnesota after dropping supplies off in the Caribbean. He later describes his close encounter: “When air traffic control asked me if we had him [Flight 77] in sight, I told him that was an understatement—by then, he had pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty aggressive turn so he was moving right in front of us, a mile and a half, two miles away. I said we had him in sight, then the controller asked me what kind of plane it was. That caught us up, because normally they have all that information. The controller didn’t seem to know anything.” O’Brien reports that the plane is either a 757 or 767 and its silver fuselage means it is probably an American Airlines plane. “They told us to turn and follow that aircraft—in 20 plus years of flying, I’ve never been asked to do something like that.” Before 9:37 a.m.: Washington flight controllers are watching Flight 77’s radar blip. Just before radar contact is lost, FAA headquarters is told, “The aircraft is circling. It’s turning away from the White House.” Then the blip disappears. Its last known position is six miles from the Pentagon and four miles from the White House. The plane is said to be traveling 500 mph, or a mile every seven seconds. 9:37 a.m.: Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon. Approximately 125 people on the ground are later determined killed or missing. Flight 77 strikes the only side of the Pentagon that had recently been renovated—it was “within days of being totally [renovated].” “It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows—two inches thick and 2,500 pounds each—that stayed intact during the crash and fire. While perhaps, 4,500 people normally would have been working in the hardest-hit areas, because of the renovation work only about 800 were there...” More than 25,000 people work at the Pentagon. Ik kan slechts besluiten dat het ‘ding’ dat in het Pentagon vloog inderdaad de Boeing 757 van vlucht 77 was. Zo niet kan mij dan iemand zeggen waar dat verdomde vliegtuig gebleven is. |
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Minister-President
Geregistreerd: 18 april 2005
Locatie: Post-Industrial Zero-Growth Control Grid Society of the NWO-One-World-Government Global Police State
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Dat het een Boeing was doet weinig af aan de inside job theorie. En op welke papers van wetenschappers over de WTC-instorting durven we niet te reageren? Wat waren volgens jouw weer die slierten gloeiende materie die naar beneden dropen vanin o.a. de paper van Steven Jones? BS,zie bvb. mijn post over het geval Robertson vanmorgen.
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Never Trust Anything that is Knighted...Drain Away the Blue Blood To Them We Are Fair Game... Unconsciously Confined... Laatst gewijzigd door Lex Blanca : 22 augustus 2006 om 15:23. |
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Banneling
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Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN
Geregistreerd: 15 februari 2006
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En dat is geen conspiracynuttheorie, dat zijn TOEGEGEVEN FEITEN, declassified documents die door iedereen vrij kunnen bekeken worden. De technologie om zo'n operaties, en 100x ingewikkelder, uit te voeren is er wel degelijk. Trouwens, eens er van vliegtuig gewisseld is en het echte vliegtuig niet meer gevolgd wordt vanuit de controletoren is het gemakkelijk om dat vliegtuig ergens te doen landen hoor. Of je kan 't natuurlijk ook ergens anders opblazen, maar dat houdt niet veel steek, gezien de intenties van de plannen. Operation Northwood Laatst gewijzigd door Heftruck : 22 augustus 2006 om 17:35. |
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Geregistreerd: 15 februari 2006
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Waarom zijn na 5 jaar die beelden nog niet vertoond? Als wij dan allemaal conspiracy nuts zijn, dat is dé manier om ons in discrediet te brengen. Wat heeft de amerikaanse veiligheidsdienst te verbergen? |
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8:56-9:05 a.m.: Flight 77 Disappears from Radar Screens. “Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked [Flight 77] from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56 [am.].” However, for eight minutes and 13 seconds, this primary radar data is not displayed to Indianapolis flight controllers. “The reasons are technical, arising from the way the software processed radar information, as well as from poor primary radar coverage where American 77 was flying.” After 9:00 a.m.: Shortly after 9:00 a.m., Indianapolis flight control begins to notify other government agencies that American 77 is missing and has possibly crashed. For instance, at 9:08 a.m., Indianapolis contacts Air Force Search and Rescue at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, and tells them to look out for a downed aircraft. They also contact the West Virginia State Police, and ask whether they have any reports of a downed aircraft. 9:05 am (and After): Flight 77’s radar blip, missing for the last eight minutes, reappears on Indianapolis flight control’s primary radar scope. It is east of its last known position. It remains in air space managed by Indianapolis until 9:10 a.m., and then passes into Washington air space. Two managers and one flight controller continue to look west and southwest for the flight, but don’t look east. Laatst gewijzigd door Heftruck : 22 augustus 2006 om 17:36. |
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Banneling
Geregistreerd: 18 februari 2003
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met een bewakingscam (2 lageresolutiebeelden/seconde) En dat is dan nog niet eens rekening gehouden met de hoek waaruit gefilmd werd en de zichtbaarheid. Kortom, je vergelijkt hier appels met olietankers. |
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Euhm, zowat in elke zaak worden niet alle dingen meteen vrijgegeven. Dat is de normaalste zaak van de wereld. Laat staan bij een geval zoals 11 september. Een cruise missle??? En waar zijn de beelden van deze cruise missle dan? Of voor jou dan, waar zijn de bewijzen voor deze cruise missle?
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Enfin, deze namiddag op Radio Donna ... over de reportage van gisteren op Canvas ... mét veramlding van de link waar op het net de film kan herbekeken worden ... I like that!
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Banneling
Geregistreerd: 18 februari 2003
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De focus lag dus op die torens. Bij het Pentagon ging het om een camera die dienst deed als toegangscontrole bij een slagboom. Op mijn werk wordt dat soort beelden ook gebruikt en gelogd tegen 2 frames/seconde. Dat is voldoende om een passerende persoon of een wagen te identificeren, NIET om een passerende boeing tegen +600 kmph op de achtergrond te indentificeren. Vandaar dus : appels en peren. |
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