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Oud 13 september 2006, 12:17   #9221
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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar Bekijk bericht
Nee idd, maar ik heb ook nergens gezegd dat omdat het eten zo slecht is
dat het satanisten zijn.
Het zijn satanisten omdat ze rechtstreeks verbonden zo niet in de elite
zitten(illuminati) .Nog een reden om McDonald's te mjden. Ze willen
nl velen van ons dood hebben.
(btw ik bedoel natuurlijk de top, niet de kassabediende,voordat we daarover gaan vallen!


Nuff said

Pin d'Ar
Nou nou, even zien wat we hier hebben

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The McDonald Bloodline

When one thinks of the name McDonald one immediately thinks of the fast food hamburger chain which has franchises all over the world. The McDonald’s Corp. has been rumored for years to be connected to Satanism. In fact a book which tries to debunk belief in a Satanic conspiracy entitled Satan Wants You reported the rumor that Mc Donald’s owner Ray Kroc tithed to the Church of Satan. (see Satan Wants You, pg. 140).Ray Kroc does spend time with NWO elites and is a member of the Bohemian Grove.
Hmmm....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove
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Bohemian Grove is a 2700-acre (11 km²) campground located at 20601 Bohemian Ave, Monte Rio, California 95462[1] belonging to a private San Francisco-based men's fine arts club known as the Bohemian Club. Every year (since 1899) Bohemian Grove is the location of a two-week (covering three weekends) encampment, beginning in the middle of July, of some of the most powerful men in the world.
En even verder:

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Rumors, Protests and Controversies

With the combination of secrecy, power, and an elite bias, the Bohemian Grove is an attractive target for annual protests at the July encampment from political activists. Specifically, the Bohemian Grove Action Network organizes protests and has aided journalists who wish to penetrate the secrecy surrounding the encampment. Over the years, individuals have infiltrated the Grove then later published video and claimed accounts of the activities at Bohemian Grove.
On July 15, 2000, Alex Jones and Mike Hanson infiltrated the Grove with two hidden video cameras and filmed the Cremation of Care ritual. In his documentary about the infiltration, Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove, Jones contends that a large group of members engage in an "ancient Canaanite, Luciferian, Babylon mystery religion ceremony" involving a 45-foot statue of an owl.
Jones had a fellow infiltrator, the author Jon Ronson, who documented the adventure in his book, Them: Adventures With Extremists. Ronson's interpretation of the ritual was more sanguine, claiming it was a startlingly immature and weird way for world leaders to behave on their summer vacation, but not evidence of covert Satanism.
In the Franklin Coverup Scandal of 1989, Paul A. Bonacci claimed that he had been kidnapped and flown to the Grove by Republican leader Lawrence King and was forced into sexual acts with other boys. In a later lawsuit claiming that Paul Bonacci was the subject of mind control experiments, Bonacci testified to these and other charges in court with U.S. Senior District Judge Warren K. Urbom presiding. Bonacci was awarded $1 million by Judge Urbom in a default judgement, but the judge did not find that the allegations were true.[3] A grandjury investigated the claims in the Franklin Coverup Scandal. On July 23, 1990, after hearing many hours of testimony, the grand jury threw out all of the allegations concerning sexual abuse, labeling the charges a "carefully crafted hoax".
Harry Shearer of This is Spinal Tap fame (and a Bohemian Grove attendee) has made a movie with the same parody concept about Bohemian Grove, called Teddy Bears' Picnic.
Canaan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan
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Canaan (Canaanite: כנען, Hebrew (a southern dialect of Canaanite): כְּנַעַן, kə.na.ʕan, Israeli: Knaan; from Hebrew, Greek: Χαναάν whence Latin: Canaan; and from Hebrew, Aramaic: ܟܢܥܢ whence Arabic: کنعان‎).
Canaan is an ancient term for a region approximating present-day Lebanon, plus adjoining coastal lands and parts of Jordan, Israel and Syria. The Hebrew Bible identifies Canaan with Lebanon - foremost with the coastal city of Sidon - but extends the "Land of Canaan" southward across Gaza to the "Brook of Egypt" and westward to the Jordan Valley, thus including modern Israel with the Palestinian Territories. This southern area included various ethnic groups. The Amarna Letters found in Ancient Egypt mention Canaan (Akkadian: Kinaḫḫu) in connection with cities along the Phoenician coast and into Upper Galilee. Many earlier Egyptian souces also make mention of numerous campaigns conducted in Ka-na-na, just inside Asia.
Various Canaanite sites have been excavated by archaeologists, most notably the Canaanite town of Ugarit in modern Syria, which was rediscovered in 1928. Much of the modern knowledge about the Canaanites stems from excavation in this area.


Lucifer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
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In modern and late Medieval Christian thought, Lucifer is a fallen angel commonly associated with Satan, the embodiment of evil and enemy of God. Lucifer is generally considered, based on the influence of Christian literature and legend, to have been a prominent archangel in heaven (although some contexts say he was a cherub or a seraph), prior to having been motivated by pride to rebel against God. When the rebellion failed, Lucifer was cast out of heaven, along with a third of the heavenly host, and came to reside on the world.
Lucifer was originally a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. The word Lucifer was the direct translation of the Greek eosphorus ("dawn-bearer"; cf. Greek phosphorus, "light-bearer") used by Jerome in the Vulgate. In that passage, Isaiah 14:12, it referred to one of the popular honorific titles of a Babylonian king; however, later interpretations of the text, and the influence of embellishments in works such as Dante's The Divine Comedy and Milton's Paradise Lost, led to the common idea in Christian mythology and folklore that Lucifer was a poetic appellation of Satan.


Babylon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon
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Babylon was an ancient city in Mesopotamia, the ruins of which can be found in present-day Babil Province, Iraq.
Babylon is the Greek variant of Akkadian Babilu (bāb-ilû, meaning "Gateway of the god", translating Sumerian Kadingirra), an ancient city in Mesopotamia (modern Al Hillah, Iraq). It was the "holy city" of Babylonia from around 2300 BC, and the seat of the Neo-Babylonian empire from 612 BC. In the Old Testament, the name appears as בבל (Babel), interpreted by Genesis 11:9 to mean "confusion", from the verb balal, "to confuse".
The Hanging Gardens of Babylon were one of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World.


Nu, ben ik de enige die dat op zijn minst een zeer bizarre, zeg maar absurde mix is?


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There is no doubt that the McDonald’s Corp. has an inside track with the Illuminati, because the U.S. government has given according to one source 40 million dollars in public tax money to McDonalds to help them set up McDonald Restaurants in foreign countries under the disguise that this was money spent on foreign poicy. In 1991, the total of McDonald outlets (restaurants) in the 3 primary European nations of Britain, France and West Germany totaled 959 restaurants.
Zoiets moet bewezen kunnen worden, graag een bron hierover.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
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The Illuminati is the name of many groups, modern and historical, real and fictitious, verified and alleged. Most commonly The Illuminati refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment secret society. However, it often refers to a shadowy conspiratorial organization which is reputed to secretly control world affairs, usually a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. Illuminati is sometimes used synonymously with New World Order.
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In spite of the millions of dollars of tax dollars the U.S. has given to McDonalds Corp., the money doesn’t seem to be directly connected to the McDonalds family, because the McDonalds family (Richard and Maurice McDonald known as ‘Dick" and "Mac") which started the restaurants in 1937 were bought out by Ray Kroc around 1954. By the time Ray Kroc had bought out the McDonald brothers, they had a very successful business going. The McDonald brothers lived in the rich section of San Bernardino, and had around 11 McDonald restaurants.

The brothers made about $100,000 profit a year and were quite content. The McDonalds had designed the golden arches and had put together the fast food concept and had been selling franchises. However, the McDonalds were too content. The McDonalds didn’t want to expand, and when Ray Kroc formed McDonald’s System. Inc. on Mar. 2, 1955 after buying out the brothers with borrowed money, he vigorously went to work to develop McDonalds into the International Franchise that it is. Ray Kroc (bn. 10/5/194)2 in Oak Park. Chicago) lived frugally for many years putting his whole life into building up the McDonald’s franchise. It was his drive that took a good idea and changed it from a success in Hollywood and San Bernardino into an international success. Ray Kroc knew a good idea when he saw it, and developed other people’s good ideas into a great success]James A. Collins, chairman of Collins Foods International, now the largest Kentucky Fried Chicken franchisee and the operator of Sizzler Restaurants talked about his time with the McDonalds in 1952, ‘There was a fraternity of us, and every one of us saw the McDonald’s in San Bernadino and basically copied it after the boys [the McDonald brothers gave us a tour." "We all took our lessons from the Mcdonald brothers," Collins remembers. The concepts that franchises pay for the McDonald brothers were giving out free, and Collins turned around and began getting $100 a day training people from Carnation, with the concepts that the McDonalds had shared. Henry’s Drive Ins and Ken’s were McDonald look-alikes that started from people trained by Collins. Glen Bell who started Taco Bell, who patronized the McDonald’s main restaurant in San Bernandino started Taco Bell from ideas from McDonalds. The first year Collins imitated McDonalds with his own fast food restaurant, Collins made $80,000 a year take home pay. The McDonald brothers became a part of the local elite of San Bernadino, CA along side such rich local families as Guthrie, Stater, and Harris.
Het bovenste is irrelevant, en bevestigd enkel dat die Ray Kroc verstand van zaken had.

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Readers are reminded of all the articles in my newsletters about how San Bernadino is a major headquarters for the Illuminati and Satanic Hubs because there are so many thousands of practitioners of black magic in the area. I do know from working with survivors of the Illuminati that the McDonald family has part of their people in the Illuminati.
Graag concrete bewijzen & een definitie van wat jullie satanisten noemen.

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How far back does the McDonald family go in the occult? The McDonald family was a Scottish clan that was part of Druidism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druidism
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In Celtic polytheism the word druid denotes the priestly class in ancient Celtic societies, which existed through much of Western Europe north of the Alps and in the British Isles until they were supplanted by Roman government and, later, Christianity. Druidic practices were part of the culture of all the tribal peoples called "Keltoi" and "Galatai" by Greeks and "Celtae" and "Galli" by Romans, which evolved into modern English "Celtic" and "Gaulish". They combined the duties of priest, arbitrator, healer, scholar, and magistrate.
The Druids were polytheists, but also deified elements of nature, such as the sun, the moon, and the stars, looking to them for "signs and seasons". They also venerated other natural elements, such as the oak, certain groves, tops of hills, streams, lakes and even plants, most of all, mistletoe. Fire was regarded as a symbol of several divinities and was associated with the sun and cleansing.
Their calendar year was governed by the lunar, solar, and vegetative cycles. Archaeological evidence suggests that ceremonies were conducted to celebrate the two solstices and two equinoxes every year. These festivals would have been governed by the position and motions of the Sun alone. In addition to these, four holidays were celebrated according to the lunar and vegetative cycles. These include Imbolc (Imbolg) to denote the first signs of spring, Beltane (Beltain) to recognize the fullness of life after spring, Lughnassah to celebrate the power of the Solar deity Lugh, and Samhain to recognize the lowering of the barrier between the world of the living and that of the dead. The timing for these latter four festivals would have been determined by the presence of a full moon and the signs of life implied by the above. Imbolg would thus be celebrated at a full moon roughly halfway between the winter solstice and the vernal equinox, Beltane between the vernal equinox and the summer solstice, Lughnassah between the summer solstice and the autumnal equinox, and Samhain between the autumnal equinox and the winter solstice. This is contrary to popular "New Age" beliefs about Druidism that celebrate a given holiday according to the Julian calendar, which of course did not exist at the time of the formulation of these holidays. In modern times, Imbolg has been transformed into Groundhog Day, elements of Beltane have been absorbed into Easter, and Samhain has become Halloween (or All Hallows' Eve or All Saint's Day).
Modern attempts at reconstructing or reinventing Druidism are called Neo-druidism.
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Many of the McDonald have gone on to serve Christ. However, there is still a large powerful contingent of the McDonald family which is connected to the Mystery Religions, and which has family members who are part of the Illuminati.
Bewijzen?

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Each of the major Scottish clans had an area that they controlled of Scotland. The McDonalds controlled the islands and coastal areas on the west coast of Scotland. When the Knights Templars tied persecution, in order to escape the various British fleets, they sailed a route that took them to western Scotland. During the time of King Philippe IV of France.
Knight templars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templars
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The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Latin: Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici), popularly known as the Knights Templar, was one of the most famous of the Christian military orders. It existed for about two centuries in the Middle Ages, created in the aftermath of the First Crusade of 1096 to ensure the safety of the large numbers of European pilgrims who flowed toward Jerusalem after its conquest.
The Templars were an unusual order in that they were both monks and soldiers, making them in effect some of the earliest "warrior monks" in the Western world. Members of the Order played a key part in many battles of the Crusades, and the Order's infrastructure innovated many financial techniques that could be considered the foundation of modern banking. The Order grew in membership and power throughout Europe, until it ran afoul of King Philip IV of France (Philip the Fair), who caused many of the order's members in France to be tortured into confessions and burned at the stake. Under influence from King Philip, Pope Clement V then forcibly disbanded the order in 1314.
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the McDonalds were involved in the movement of the Knights Templars. The Knights Templars had adopted Gnostic/satanic practices during the centuries they guarded the pilgrims in the Middle East.
Gnostic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnostic
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Gnosticism is a term created by modern scholars to describe a collection of religious groups, many of which thought of themselves as Christians, which were active in the first few centuries AD.[1] There has been considerable scholarly controversy about exactly which groups to describe with this term. There is dispute among scholars on the extent to which early groups may have described themselves using the term "gnostikoi".[2][3] Sometimes the term gnosticism is reserved for groups that might have used it to describe themselves, but often the term is used more widely to identify groups emphasizing the salvific benefit of individual wisdom.
Satan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic
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Satan (Standard Hebrew: שָׂטָן, Satan Tiberian Hebrew Śāṭān; Koine Greek: Σατανάς, Satanás; Aramaic: צטנא, Tzaṭanâ; Arabic: شيطان, Shaiṭaan) is a term with its origins in the Abrahamic faiths which is traditionally applied to an angel, demon, or minor god in many belief systems.
Satan plays various roles in the Tanakh, the Apocrypha and New Testament. In the Tanakh, Satan is an angel whom God uses to test man for various reasons usually dealing with his level of piety. In the Apocrypha and New Testament, the term Satan refers to a preternatural entity, an evil, rebellious demon who is the enemy of God and mankind, and the central embodiment of evil. Satan is also commonly known as the Devil, the "Prince of Darkness," Beelzebub, Belial, Lucifer, and Mephistopheles.
In the Talmud and some Kabbalist works, Satan is sometimes called Samael. In the fields of angelology and demonology these different names sometimes refer to a number of different angels and demons, and there is significant disagreement as to whether any of these entities are actually evil.
In Islam, Iblīs (Arabic إبليس), is the primary devil. He is commonly referred to in the Qur'an as Shaitan. The Islamic view of Satan has both commonalities and differences with Christian and Jewish views.
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The Order had also become the International Bankers of Europe and large landowners in Europe.
Proof?

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The King of France twisted the Pope’s arm (so to speak) to get him to go along with a campaign to eliminate the Knights Templars. Because the McDonald clan was in private still pagan.
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Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "a country dweller" or "civilian") is a blanket term which has come to connote a broad set of western spiritual or religious beliefs and practices of natural or polytheistic religions, as opposed to the Abrahamic monotheistic religions. "Pagan" is the usual translation of the Islamic term mushrik, which refers to 'one who worships something other than Allah'. Ethnologists do not use the term for these beliefs, which are not necessarily compatible with each other: more useful categories are shamanism, polytheism or animism. Often, the term has pejorative connotations, comparable to heathen, infidel and kafir (كافر) in Islam.
[quote]they were willing to help the Knights Templar escape the Pope’s decree against the Templars.]The Knights Templars were not the only International Bankers to move north. Later, during the 16th & 17th century, the elite satanic banking families moved their operations from southern Europe to Antwerp Flanders and then on to Amsterdam.

Ah bon? Bewijs?

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Many of the Knights Templars lied to Scotland, where they helped Bruce, the King of Scotland. When the English invaded Scotland they were defeated by Bruce in an important battle named Bannockburn. Bannockburn kept Scotland free from England for the next 289 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bannockburn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottis...f_Independence

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The Knights Templars fought with Bruce in the battle under the command of Angus Og McDonald, who was a large Scottish landowner and a friend of Bruce. Angus Og McDonald had previously in the 1308 time period given protection to the Knights Templars.
http://www.ccsna.org/jsep60b.htm
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However Angus Og, after supporting the English in 1301, joined Sir Neil Campbell in assisting the Bruce in his flight through Argyll in 1306, and on his return journey from Rathlin in 1307, Angus provided men for an unsuccessful attempt to re-capture the Bruce lands in Arran.
Hmm?

[quote]The Knights Templars brought their treasures and their military might to Scotland & to the McDonalds. Many of the Knights Templars went on to the Orkeney Is., but some stayed in Scotland and became important in the occult world. The descendents of these Knights are still guarding some important occult relics, which may be revealed in the next few years. The Sinclair family has been part of the Prieure de Sion, Freemasonry and the Illuminati.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prieur%C3%A9_de_Sion
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Le Prieuré de Sion, mentionné pour la première fois en 1956, est une société secrète fictive inventée par le mystificateur français Pierre Plantard. Dans une série de faux documents déposés ?* la Bibliothèque nationale au milieu des années 1960 et intitulés Dossiers secrets d'Henri Lobineau, Plantard présente le Prieuré comme une confrérie remontant ?* 1099, liée ?* l'Ordre du Temple et dont la mission aurait été de préserver le secret d'une descendance cachée des Mérovingiens pour la restauration d’une monarchie mérovingienne en France.
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Vice-pres. of the Sinclair Oil & Gas Co. in Tulsa in ’59-’61 was Marshall McDonald, who was an active Freemason who married into the Collins family. Note that the cities/towns Tulsa, Wagoner, Muskogee, Broken Arrow in Okla. are totally controlled by the Illuminati.
En men weet dit omdat....?

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The atmosphere in these little towns SW of Tulsa has been described as oppressive & prone to violence by people who have lived in them. One of the lodge systems set up by the Illuminati was the Jacobin Club (originally known as Club Breton). Its Jacobite members got financing from the Illuminati and were a big part of the cause of the French Revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_Club
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The Jacobin Club was the most famous of the political clubs of the French Revolution. Among its most prominent members were Jean-Paul Marat and Robespierre. It originated as the Club Breton, formed at Versailles as a group of Breton deputies to the Estates General of 1789.
Initially moderate, it soon became associated with what became known during that period as left-wing politics. It broadened its membership over the next few years—first to professionals outside of political office, and then even more broadly—and became, during the Reign of Terror, one of the most powerful institutions in France. At the height of its influence, there were between five and eight thousand chapters throughout France, with a membership estimated at 500,000 in 5,500 local clubs.[1] After the end of the Terror in 1794, the club was closed and some of its members were executed.
To this day, the terms Jacobin and Jacobinism are used as pejoratives for left-wing revolutionary politics
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The Jacobites also played a role in the early history of the United States and the American Revolution. The Jacobites had a number of aristocrats who were also secret Satanists as their leaders. They had a lodge in Rome. One of the Scottish Jacobites was Flora Macdonald. She saved Prince Charles Edward’s life. Etienne Jacques Joseph Alexandre Macdonald (Scottish blood) was a 33 degree Freemason & also an officer who fought on the side of the French Revolution. He went on to become a Marshall in the French army. In 1805. he became the Grand Administrator of the Grand Lodge Symbolique in France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Edward
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flora_Macdonald

(Snipped namelist)

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The McDonalds and MacDonalds (and some of the Donalds) are descendents from King Somerled. King Somerled helped expel the Vikings (Norsemen) from Scotland. King Somerled’s son was Ranald and Ranald’s son was named Donald. The grandson then became Argus Mor McDonald (mac means "son of") Argus’s grandson married MacRorie and became Lordship of the Isles. The McDonalds were the chiefs of that area. Families that sought their protection sometimes took their name too. So it is not inconceivable that some of the Knights Templar bloodlines ended up one way or the other as McDonald.
http://www.ccsna.org/jsep60b.htm

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The powerful McDonald of Glencoe lived in Glencoe until the 1692 massacre by the English government against Francis Stewart sympathizers. Francis Stewart was the Grand Master of the witchcraft covens in that area of Scotland. and the McDonalds were supporters of him. Also in the 17th century the McDonalds were forced to participate with others in piracy
There are some powerful Stewarts (also spelled Stuart) in the Illuminati today, some who are friends with the Rockefellers. At least one Stewart intermarried with a Rockefeller. Another Stewart has family members who own a series of theaters in California which have secret tunnels to day care centers so that children can be ritually abused and programmed. (This Stewart had a father in Satanism who was associated with the Hungarian palace.) James C. Stewart, a member of the Illuminati, built the Mormon’s capital building in Salt Lake City, 60 Wall Tower in NY, and the Savoy Hotel in London that the Illuminati use for their Pilgrim Society headquarters.
Okay, ik zie tot nu toe enorm veel beschuldigingen, maar nog steeds geen echte concrete bewijzen of zelfs maar aanwijzingen.

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James belonged to the Pilgrim Soc. too. Now that the reader knows this, he or she will understand why this author did a double-take when I ran across Stewart McDonald, who was the director of Savoy Plaza Hotel, in New York. a place frequented by the elite. Stewart McDonald was president of Army War Shows in ’42-’43. See the article on the Van Duyns in this newsletter to understand the connections between the Army War Shows and the secret mind-control ops done in W.W.ll under the auspices of the Illuminati.
Bewijzen?

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Stewart McDonald was also the police commissioner in corrupt St. Louis, MO and the Fed. Housing Administrator for Wash. D.C., as well as being an auto manufacturer. There is a Stuart who actually has a stronger claim to the throne of England than Queen Elizabeth. He is 11th in line as a claimant, while she is only 13th. His claim is a carefully preserved secret by the media.
Bewijzen hiervan? (Stamboom of iets?)

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Queen Elizabeth is of the Hannover Dynasty which is part of the 13th Illuminati bloodline. This Stuart claimant was recently asked if he would like to have the throne of the newly formed nation of Estonia, but he rejected it. The Stuart bloodline and their henchmen have been an important part of the leadership of Freemasonry down through the centuries.The Scottish Stewart family, as well as the Cameron, Campbell, Douglas, Hamilton, and Montgomery Scottish families were originally powerful families that came from Flanders area (now Belgium & north. France) which is today a strong point for the Illuminati.
Okay.... ik veronderstel dat je dit kan aantonen aan de hand van stambomen?

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These families emigrated to Scotland in the 12th century and were part of the strong occult bonds between Scotland and the Flanders area. (Today, Flanders is divided between northern France and Belgium.) Later, Flanders became a banking center for the International Bankers. The Hungarian occult world also connects to Scotland with such ancient historical figures as Saint Margaret (a Hungarian noble), whose husband Malcolm Ceanmor murdered in real life Macbeth. Her son David introduced feudalism into Scotland, and she herself brought in Catholic Priests. There are many occult ties between Scotland. Flanders, Hungary, and Rome. Parts of the McDonalds continue to practice Druidism, which was the original religion prior to the Christians. The McDonald heritage goes back to the Picts and Gaelic people. Some of the McDonalds have become part of the Catholic hierarchy. I believe I know of five MacDonalds which have become Air Marshalls (top rank) in the British RAY. The names of these RAF Marshalls are: Someried Douglas McDonald, Thomas Conchar McDonald, Sir William McDonald, Air Commander John C. McDonald, and Major General John Frederick Matheson McDonald. The NWO has been called the Air Dictatorship because the NWO’s air power will be so important, so it is significant that the RAF has had so many high officers who were MacDonalds. Just one example of the tie-ins, the British Minister of Aviation Roy Jenkins (64-65) has been part of the Trilateral Commission. Thomas Conchar MacDonald did secret research for the Air Ministry after WW II. He went to the Univ. of Glasgow. Another Marshall Sir William Laurence Niary) MacDonald was involved with British Air Force Intelligence. A number of other McDonalds have worked for intelligence agencies to, incl. David George McDonald, James Nlichael McDonald, Jr. etc. William McDonald was a doctor who worked with FDR in 1925Henry Ford also spent time with a doctor named William McDonald. A number of McDonalds are Bankers (or important in the Stock Markets) and in an attempt to keep this article brief I’ll just list some of them: Andrew Jewett McDonald (Yale, USAF), Archibald MacDonald, Allen Colfax McDonald, Angus Daniel McDonald, John Garwin McDonald, William Henry McDonald (Can.), and Witten McDonald. Archibald McDonald is director of Joseph Freeman, Sons & Co., Ltd. as well as being important in other things. The Freeman family is one of the top 13 bloodlines and connects to the Prieure de Sion. Sir Peter George MacDonald has been the director of Guardian Assurance Co. Ltd. which also has connections to the Freeman family and the Prieure de Sion. There are a long list of McDonalds who have served various governments all over the world in leadership positions. Danny Lee McDonald of Tulsa, OK served on the corrupt Federal Election Commission (’82-’83) as its vice-chairman, and from ‘83 onward he served as its chairman. William C. McDonald was the first state governor of New Mexico from 1911-17. The Freemasons ran the state at that time.This author would wear the readers patience thin by describing all the McDonald’s who have been in important government jobs. The policeman who found Lee Harvey Oswald after JFK was shot was a McDonald. This policeman was then assigned to protect Marinna Oswald (the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald). This heavy-set policeman McDonald (who attends the Oakridge Christian Church) has appeared on television recently such as on Channel 32, on Top Cops at 7:25 p.m. where he speaks out against conspiracy theories in the JFK assassination. The entire arrest of Oswald by M.N. McDonald is filled with questions. Jack Ruby was in the same theater. Oswald tried to shoot McDonald with an unloaded gun. Some unknown person had tipped McDonald off that Oswald was in the theater, and the police had for some reason already decided Oswald was guilty because while arresting him the policeman was heard saying by witnesses, "Kill the President, will you." And yet the Warren Commission said that Oswald was not a suspect until later. This is just one place of many where the McDonald family connects in with the larger Satanic conspiracy. Jack Ruby was involved with the Carousel Club which was tied to the Monarch Project. The assassination of JFK was done through Permindex, which was set up by Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, who worked for the Illuminati in SOE (British Special Operations Executive) within the US Army Intelligence. He worked for OSS and ran the FBI's Counter Intelligence Div. 5, while working for British SOE and the Illuminati. George DeMohrenschildt, Oswald’s best friend or closest contact was himself an ex-Nazi spy who worked for the CIA. The Mob’s' connections to the Top 13 Illuminati families is explained in the Van Duyn family article in this newsletter. Bear in mind, the mob had turned against JFK too. In summary. Some of the McDonalds have held important positions for the Illuminati, and part of the McDonald descendents are in the Illuminati. You will also find McDonalds very active in Protestantism and Catholicism. The McDonald family’s involvement with the occult goes clear back to Druidism, and then the protection & leadership they gave to the Knights Templars. Today, some of the McDonalds are Barons, some are Bankers & some are leading intelligence and military men. > > EXHIBIT NEXT PAGE. News article that shows Linda McDonald was awarded hush money by the Canadian govt. & the CIA for MK-Ultra Mind Control programming.

Brainwash victims to receive $100,000. Ottawa denies responsibility for experiments.
By Bob Cox
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OTTAWA — The federal government will pay $100,000 each to victims of brainwashing experiments funded by Canada and the CIA between 1950 and 1965, Justice Minister Kim Campbell announced Tuesday. Ottawa is paying the money to avoid legal claims by victims or the experiments carried out by Dr. Ewen Cameron at Montreal’s Allan Memorial Institute. As many as 80 people were Involved, but It’s not clear how many are still alive and eligible for the payments. Campbell said the government still does not admit any legal liability or responsibility, but is paying the money on compassionate and humanitarian grounds. But Linda Macdonald, a Vancouver woman who launched the court case that forced the settlement, said she considers the payments an admission of responsibility and a symbolic apology. My biggest concern has always been that the federal government acknowledge its responsibility in funding the experiments, so that we can hope that such abuse of patients rights will never happen again in this country," she said. Macdonald, now 55, underwent "de-patterning" at Allan Memorial in 1903.As a mother of five children under four years old, she was sent to the Institute suffering from fatigue and depression. She was treated as a schizophrenic, though never diagnosed as such. She was heavily drugged, kept asleep for 86 days, given over 100 electroshock treatments. She emerged five days later, barely able to function. She couldn't read or write, use a toilet, drive a car, cook a meal or make a bed. She didn’t remember her husband, children or the first 26 years of her life." I accept the governments symbolic apology through compensation, but no amount of money can compensate me for the loss of memory . . and the enormous difficulties my family and I have suffered McDonald said in a statement. She was in Los Angeles on Tuesday talking to film producers about her story. Former patients at the Allan Memorial have sought compensation from both the Canadian and U.S. government for years. The US. Central Intelligence Agency, wanting to learn more about brainwashing and psycho-logical de-programming, covertly gave $85,000 to Cameron between 1957 and 1962. Canada, as part of a national program of health care grants, gave about $70,000 between 1950 and 1954 and again between 1961 and 1964. The experiments ended in 1965. Canadian officials later said they didn't know of the CIA funding. In 1988, the U.S. Justice Department reached an out-of-court settlement that gave about $100,000 to each of nine Canadians treated under Cameron’s CIA-funded experiments. The Canadian government helped pay legal bills for those Canadians who sued the United States, but balked at paying Its own compensationA 1986 report by George Cooper, a Halifax lawyer and former Conservative MP, absolved Canadian authorities of any blame and described Cameron’s work as "in cautious but not irresponsible." But Thomas Berger, Mac-Donald’s lawyer, presented a report to the government in 1990 challenging Cooper’s conclusions One U. S. doctor likened Cameron’s research to brainwashing techniques used In Chinese prisons. A Justice Department official said he did not know how many people are eligible for the $100,000 payments. A number of former patients have already died. Only people still alive can apply for compensation
Mooi mooi, helaas vind ik dit volkomen ongeloofwaardig, waar is het bewijs?
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Stephen F. Roberts: "...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
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Sedert wanneer is een egyptische obelisk een heidens fallussymbool
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check eens hoe lang ie is?


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fal·lus·sym·bool (het ~)1 afbeelding van het mannelijk lid in erectie als religieus symbool
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Stephen F. Roberts: "...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

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Mooi mooi, helaas vind ik dit volkomen ongeloofwaardig, waar is het bewijs?
Tsja ik ben bang dat je NIKS als bewijs zult aanvaarden daar je het bij voorbaat al ongeloofwaardig vindt.En ik vertel je, het wordt naarmate je gaat spitten ongeloofwaardiger! (Nou ja ook weer niet als je het hele plaatje leert kennen, maar het staat in ieder geval erg haaks op het wereldbeeld van de meeste mensen. Maar ja vroeger werd er ook
door de experts gezegd dat 'vliegen door mensen' absurd en ongelooflijk is en volgens mij.....

Welnu, ik geloofde het ook niet en ben gaan spitten, diep gaan spitten
en dan kom je het tegen. Ik zou je willen vragen dit ook te doen, daar ik hier niet weer alles neer wil zetten, maar goed ik zal je een stukje op weg helpen en lees bv eens:

In het nederlands en een redelijke inleiding in deze materie.
Echter moet je soms wel even door wat bijbels termen heenwurmen
maar ja..





http://www.boekenmijn.nl/boekenmijn/boek.php?boek=495

Succes


btw waarom baseer je je zoveel op de wikipedia, we hebben toch al lang aangetoond dat ie niet zuiver is!




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Nu, ben ik de enige die dat op zijn minst een zeer bizarre, zeg maar absurde mix is?


De Bohemian Grove bestaat hoor. Ze doen er rituelen. Het is zelfs al opgenomen door Alex Jones die er binnen kunnen sluipen is.

Zie hier:

bohemian grove

David Gergen asked about Bohemian Grove
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Nu, ben ik de enige die dat op zijn minst een zeer bizarre, zeg maar absurde mix is?
Tuurlijk is het bizar!
of dit dan: de meeste presidenten van de USA zijn satanisten en
pedofielen. ja, de meeste verkrachten kleine kinderen!!!


Heel bizar ja!!!


Maar als het zo is moeten we die kinderen dan niet helpen??????

Ik heb het hier al eerder gezegd over de uitspraken van experts, maar ok
gaan we weer effe:


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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."

-- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of
science, 1949
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"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."

-- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
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"I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the
best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't
last out the year."

-- The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall,
1957
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"But what ... is it good for?"

-- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM,
1968, commenting on the microchip.
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."

-- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital
Equipment Corp., 1977
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"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered
as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to
us."

-- Western Union internal memo, 1876.
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"The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who
would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular?"

-- David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urgings for
investment in the radio in the 1920s.
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"The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better
than a 'C,' the idea must be feasible."

-- A Yale University management professor in response to Fred
Smith's paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service.
(Smith went on to found Federal Express Corp.)
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"Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"

-- H.M. Warner, Warner Brothers, 1927.
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"I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling on his face and not Gary
Cooper."

-- Gary Cooper on his decision not to take the leading role in
"Gone With The Wind."
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"A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say
America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make."

-- Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields'
Cookies.
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"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."

-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962.
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"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."

-- Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.
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"If I had thought about it, I wouldn't have done the experiment.
The literature was full of examples that said you can't do this."

-- Spencer Silver on the work that led to the unique adhesives
for 3-M "Post-It" Notepads.
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"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even
built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or
we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come
work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard,
and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college
yet.'"

-- Apple Computer Inc. founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get
Atari and H-P interested in his and Steve Wozniak's
personal computer.
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"Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and
reaction and the need to have something better than a vacuum against
which to react. He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in
high schools."

-- 1921 New York Times editorial about Robert Goddard's
revolutionary rocket work.
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"You want to have consistent and uniform muscle development across all
of your muscles? It can't be done. It's just a fact of life.
You just have to accept inconsistent muscle development as an
unalterable condition of weight training."

-- Response to Arthur Jones, who solved the "unsolvable"
problem by inventing Nautilus.
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"Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil?
You're crazy."

-- Drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist to his project
to drill for oil in 1859.
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"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."

-- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University,
1929.
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"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value."

-- Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole
Superieure de Guerre.
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"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

-- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. Office of Patents,
1899.
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"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction".

-- Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872
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"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the
intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon".

-- Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-
Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.
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"640K ought to be enough for anybody."

-- Bill Gates, 1981



M.a.w het feit dat iemand het bizar vind zegt niks nada noppes

En een van de redenen dat ik mijn schrijfsels hier neerzet is dat ik
dat verantwoord ben aan de kinderen die slachtoffer zijn in naam van de
rituelen. Ja ook in belgie, duitsland nederland etc
Zoek anders een "Castle of Darkness" op

And so on and so forth

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btw waarom baseer je je zoveel op de wikipedia, we hebben toch al lang aangetoond dat ie niet zuiver is!
En dat boek van de Ruyter wel zeker.

In Wikipedia staan bepaalde zaken die verifieerbaar zijn.Als wat Amon Re bracht uit Wiki fout was kunnen we dat allicht aantonen.
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En dat boek van de Ruyter wel zeker.

In Wikipedia staan bepaalde zaken die verifieerbaar zijn.Als wat Amon Re bracht uit Wiki fout was kunnen we dat allicht aantonen.
Natuurlijk staan er bepaalde zaken die verifieerbaar zijn,
Ik wl voorkomen dat men er zich blind op staart
Dat boek van de Ruyter is ook niet feilbaar, dat zeg ik niet
dat is niets
Maar het is een begin voor mensen die het net tegenkomen en een groot
voordeel is dat het in het nederlands is.
Je moet ergens beginnen

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nog een paar blijmakertjes voor hertog

http://stargods.org/Logos.htm





Here we see the rock group Van Halen logo. What it is is an upside down pyramid on a band of gold indicating who they are married to.

deze is ook leuk:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramo...rldoftomorrow/

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Again notice the winged disk of the sun god RA with the symbol of the Skull and Bones in the middle. Also notice the two Nazi SS lightning bolts on the sides of the skull
en dat Bob Dylan waarschijnlijk ook een illuminati-poppetje is:




Hij verkoopt t-shirtjes met bovenstaande




and so on and so forth


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Vrijmetselaarsteken op de 2 Pound munt en op de Bijbel.
(en de 666 die in elke barcode verwerkt is)
Bijgevoegde afbeelding(e)
   

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Vrijmetselaarsteken op de 2 Pound munt en op de Bijbel.


zo zouden we nog wel effe door kunnen gaan
zoals bv

XXX in amsterdam
XXX triple x

etc etc

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nog een paar blijmakertjes voor hertog

http://stargods.org/Logos.htm





Here we see the rock group Van Halen logo. What it is is an upside down pyramid on a band of gold indicating who they are married to.

deze is ook leuk:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramo...rldoftomorrow/



en dat Bob Dylan waarschijnlijk ook een illuminati-poppetje is:





and so on and so forth


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What we see here is a 'V" and a 'H' together in the form of a triangle. VH stands for: Van Halen.
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What we see here is a 'V" and a 'H' together in the form of a triangle. VH stands for: Van Halen.
ja dat klopt wel, maar het ging ook om de vorm
En als je gaat gaat spitten zul je zien dat de mensen die op
het wereldtoneel staan, poppetjes van de illuminati zijn!
En dan bedoel ik niet alleen popgroepen, filmsterren, nee, ook
presidenten, politieke kopstukken (hoewel er illuminati-slaven tussen zitten, zoals Hirschi in NL, maar ook geleerden van naam en faam
zoals bv de plagiarist van de eeuw:Albert Einstein, ook een illuminati-poppetje. Jung gaf les aan illuminati kinderen en Freud moets de psychoanalyse zo maken dat het mensen zou de-stabiiseren
Freud was dus ook een illuminati poppetje (Freud en Jung waren allebei lid
van de O.T.O) en zo barst het er van.

Shakespeare(Nou eigenlijk Francis Bacon) zei het all:
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Hoe raak die was, maar ja Francis Bacon was dan ook een 33 ste graad vrijmetselaar






Nuff said


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Leuke quote:

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A quote from David Rockefeller's autobiography 'Memoirs' -
6-11-6

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will.

If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
En deze:
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we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination practiced in past centuries"--David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

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En deze:
haha ja, vooral als je ze vergelijkt. De eerst is gezegd in een publiek boek en daar probeert hij op een slinkse manier te vergoelijken. Maar de tweede is gezegd op de bilderberg waar hij nooit dacht dat het ging uitlekken, en daar zegt het zoals het staat.
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Toch niet mee eens. Is die Raymond een vrijmetselaar, weet je dat?
Ja, dat weet ik. Neen, hij was geen vrijmetselaar maar een amerikaans industrieel ontwerper van joods/nederlandse afkomst (Levie). Een zeer intelligent en vakkundig man.

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Dat doe ik zeer zeker wel! Het is the-all-seeying-eye' HET beeld voor het luciferianisme! Waarom zou ik dat er niet achter zoeken?
Daar ik weet dat de top uit Satanisten bestaan, is het toch wel heel waarschijnlijk zo dunkt me.
Het is een oog. Het gaat over (televisie)kijken.

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stralen zijn voor mij zeer duidelijk verwijzingen naar de zon. Ik zeg dus niet dat het satanisten zijn vanwege de logo's . Ik zeg dat het satanisten zijn
en dat ze daarom de logo''s gebruiken.o.m. zoals gezegd onm te communiceren. En die zon staat er in omdat veel van de genoemde bedrijven aangestuurdt wordt door leden van de zonnecult.
(een illuminati geheim genootschap)
Dat zou de reden kunnen zijn maar waarom zouden ze zo willen communiceren? Een beeldmerk is een statisch iets. Zo zouden ze alleen maar communiceren dat ze betrokken zijn bij de satanisten of illuminati. Maar de direct betrokkenen weten dat dan al. Dus nogmaals, waarom?

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Of een symbool van de occulte leer die ze aanhangen! Ik kies voor het laatste, zeker als je het samen neemt met andere aanwijzingen dat het satanisten zijn
Maar bedankt dat je er effe met je oog naar gekeken hebt.
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Toch nog even wat extra info: Voor veel huisstijlen wordt er een commissie samengesteld uit personeelsleden i.v.m. draagvlak in het bedrijf. Het is allang niet meer zo dat de top alleen beslist. In de gevallen dat de top wel alleen beslist is het meest voorkomende argument voor een keuze:'Doe het maar zo, dat vindt mijn vrouw mooier'.En 'doe maar rood want ze houdt niet van blauw'.

De werkelijkheid is vaak erg banaal. Voor wat betreft genootschappen: Ja, natuurlijk heeft een beeldmerk van een (geheim) genootschap speciale betekenis. Maar beperk het tot daar.
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Kijk dan eens waar dat hij staat, en hoe hij geplaatst is, en hoe lang hij is, inderdaad symbolisme ten top.
De heren believers raden mij steeds boeken aan. Misschien mag ik ook andersom een boek aanprijzen: Lees eens 'De slinger van Foucault' van Umberto Eco.
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De heren believers raden mij steeds boeken aan.
In dit geval gaat het echter gewoon om een symbool van zonaanbidding die op het St-Pietersplein voor het Vaticaan staat.
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Oud 13 september 2006, 15:29   #9238
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In dit geval gaat het echter gewoon om een symbool van zonaanbidding die op het St-Pietersplein voor het Vaticaan staat.
Ik weet niet of een obelisk dat is maar dat neem ik zonder meer van je aan.

Ik raadde je dat boek aan, gewoon omdat het een boeiend boek is. Voor ons allebei. Alles wat erin staat klopt. Alleen zie ik de hoofdpersoon waarschijnijk anders dan jij.

http://http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_slinger_van_Foucault

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Oud 13 september 2006, 16:02   #9239
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Ik weet niet of een obelisk dat is maar dat neem ik zonder meer van je aan.

Ik raadde je dat boek aan, gewoon omdat het een boeiend boek is. Voor ons allebei. Alles wat erin staat klopt. Alleen zie ik de hoofdpersoon waarschijnijk anders dan jij.

http://http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_slinger_van_Foucault
Hij gaat toch niet dezelfde toer als Dan Brown op met de Tempeliers hoop ik?
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Hij gaat toch niet dezelfde toer als Dan Brown op met de Tempeliers hoop ik?
Ja en nee. Lees het maar. Eco is nu eenmaal een betere auteur en wetenschapper. Het is fictie maar alle feiten worden juist weergegeven. Aan het eind zal jij concluderen dat de hoofdpersonn gelijk heeft en ik dat hij paranoïde is. Het mooie van het boek is dat het wordt opengelaten. Jij jouw conclusie, ik de mijne. (Een beetje zoals de NWO)
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