De nieuwe wereld orde

[Pindar]

gut o gut o gut o gut o gut,


snappen die moderatortjes nog steeds niet hoe belangrijk het is?

Heb ik een nieuwe thread geopend net, pleuren ze het weer hier neer!!!!


En het ergste is nog:


ZONDER OVERLEG!!!!!!!



Hebben de moderatortjes geen fatsoen of zo???


Lijkt er erg op!


Pin d'Ar

[Pindar]

het toneelstuk komt steeds dichterbij
(de staged alien invasion)

Famed NASA Astronaut confirms Extraterrestrials are here

by Clark C. McClelland, former ScO, U.S. Space Shuttle Fleet, KSC, Florida 1958 to 1992


Space Shuttle Columbia during STS-80 took a crew of five astronauts into a 17 day, 15 hour and 54 minute mission around the earth, the longest flight in the history of this vehicle. During this lengthy flight a very strange event occurred that even had crewman Dr. Story Musgrave unable to explain what he observed from the shuttle windows.

A large disc shaped object appeared below the Columbia. The shuttle was approximately, 190 Nautical miles high.

The disc was first observed to miraculously appear from out of nowhere, flying through the clouds below and progressing from right to left as the astronauts stared in utter amazement. The outer rim of the craft appeared to be rotating counter-clockwise. It was very large (compared to common space junk and breakaway ice), approximately 50 to 150 feet in diameter.

Astronaut Dr. Story Musgrave, a Payload Specialist on the STS-80 Mission, was interviewed following the flight. As he viewed a videotape of the incident which showed lightning flashes in the atmosphere, the city lights of Denver, Colorado and other earthbound sights, he stated: "I don't know what it is. Whether it's a washer, debris, ice particles, I don't know. But it's characteristic of the thousands of things which I've seen. What is not so characteristic is it appears to come from no where. You would think that if it's facing the dark side or facing a side towards you which is not reflecting the sun, you would think that you would see something there. It's really impressive.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/hom.../09/01935.html

Pin d'Ar

[eti1777]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door KrisKras

kijk eens hoe mooi de schaapjes proberen om zelf de kudde samen te houden, hoe lief.

Wie niet horen wil moet voelen wordt wel eens gezegd. Doet me denken aan een docu op ARTE waar men een groep mensen plaatsten in een soort wachtzaal. Telkens werd één persoon op zijn reacties getest en de anderen deden mee in het spel. Na een paar minuten ging men een brand simuleren, rook werd onder de deur gespuit, om na te gaan hoelang de persoon nodig had om te reageren, en de meeste van de geteste mensen bleven gewoon wachten tot iemand anders reageerde alvorens zelf iets te zeggen. Je zag bij hen echt paniek in hun ogen en reacties, maar toch bleven ze mooi zitten, soms tot 2 uur na dat de zogezegde brand was gestart. Na de test waren ze allemaal versteld van hun eigen reactie toen men hen vroeg waarom ze niet eerder reageerden.
Mensen moeten leren zelfstandig denken i.p.v. akkoord gaan met de massa.

[Ramón Gitannes]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar

gut o gut o gut o gut o gut,


snappen die moderatortjes nog steeds niet hoe belangrijk het is?

Heb ik een nieuwe thread geopend net, pleuren ze het weer hier neer!!!!


En het ergste is nog:


ZONDER OVERLEG!!!!!!!



Hebben de moderatortjes geen fatsoen of zo???


Lijkt er erg op!


Pin d'Ar

Ik denk dat het aan de titel lag. Doe volgende keer iets met extreem-links of extreem-rechts, dat hebben ze graag. Het blijft tenslotte een forum he. Dat is hier geen plaats om mensen samen te brengen of de wereld te verbeteren he, hier worden gewoon sofistische saucissen gedraaid, meer niet.

[KrisKras]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eti1777

Wie niet horen wil moet voelen wordt wel eens gezegd. Doet me denken aan een docu op ARTE waar men een groep mensen plaatsten in een soort wachtzaal. Telkens werd één persoon op zijn reacties getest en de anderen deden mee in het spel. Na een paar minuten ging men een brand simuleren, rook werd onder de deur gespuit, om na te gaan hoelang de persoon nodig had om te reageren, en de meeste van de geteste mensen bleven gewoon wachten tot iemand anders reageerde alvorens zelf iets te zeggen. Je zag bij hen echt paniek in hun ogen en reacties, maar toch bleven ze mooi zitten, soms tot 2 uur na dat de zogezegde brand was gestart. Na de test waren ze allemaal versteld van hun eigen reactie toen men hen vroeg waarom ze niet eerder reageerden.
Mensen moeten leren zelfstandig denken i.p.v. akkoord gaan met de massa.

Yep, ik ken de docu. In mn cursussen psychologie en communicatie hebben we het er ook vaak over gehad en de betreffende docu was daar dan ook een leuk voorbeeld hoe groepspsychologie werkt. Hoe je het draait of keert, mensen zijn o zo makkelijk te manipuleren. Een gemiddelde video is moeilijker te programmeren

[Pindar]

yep, ook bekend met de experimenten van Milgram?


Pin d'Ar

[Pindar]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eti1777

Wie niet horen wil moet voelen wordt wel eens gezegd. Doet me denken aan een docu op ARTE waar men een groep mensen plaatsten in een soort wachtzaal. Telkens werd één persoon op zijn reacties getest en de anderen deden mee in het spel. Na een paar minuten ging men een brand simuleren, rook werd onder de deur gespuit, om na te gaan hoelang de persoon nodig had om te reageren, en de meeste van de geteste mensen bleven gewoon wachten tot iemand anders reageerde alvorens zelf iets te zeggen. Je zag bij hen echt paniek in hun ogen en reacties, maar toch bleven ze mooi zitten, soms tot 2 uur na dat de zogezegde brand was gestart. Na de test waren ze allemaal versteld van hun eigen reactie toen men hen vroeg waarom ze niet eerder reageerden.
Mensen moeten leren zelfstandig denken i.p.v. akkoord gaan met de massa.

tsja,






Pin d'Ar

[Ramón Gitannes]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eti1777

Wie niet horen wil moet voelen wordt wel eens gezegd. Doet me denken aan een docu op ARTE waar men een groep mensen plaatsten in een soort wachtzaal. Telkens werd één persoon op zijn reacties getest en de anderen deden mee in het spel. Na een paar minuten ging men een brand simuleren, rook werd onder de deur gespuit, om na te gaan hoelang de persoon nodig had om te reageren, en de meeste van de geteste mensen bleven gewoon wachten tot iemand anders reageerde alvorens zelf iets te zeggen. Je zag bij hen echt paniek in hun ogen en reacties, maar toch bleven ze mooi zitten, soms tot 2 uur na dat de zogezegde brand was gestart. Na de test waren ze allemaal versteld van hun eigen reactie toen men hen vroeg waarom ze niet eerder reageerden.
Mensen moeten leren zelfstandig denken i.p.v. akkoord gaan met de massa.

Hier is nog een (gedachten?)experiment.

[lezer]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar

duh??? je hebt het dus nog niet helemaal begrepen!


Pin d'Ar

Moet ik hier nu echt van die onnozele zetten om begrepen te worden, Pindar?

[Babylonia]

Filmavonden organiseren. Wie wil meedoen?
Ik heb al deze dvd s op projektiekwaliteit liggen
met de bedoeling filmavonden te organiseren in Leuven of elders.
Ben nu bezig met PFT op 23 nov in het provinciehuis en heb al een leuk contact uit de gemeenteraad ...
Wie er van wil gebruik maken ... let me know.
Filmavonden zijn een toffe manier om te mobiliseren.
Je kan dan overal een mooie flyer achter laten mails rond sturen die op zich al een instrument zijn met een link erop naar het internet. en affiches hangen!

DVD1:
>> - Terrorstorm
>> - Freedom to fascism
>> - Alex Jones interviews Aaron Russo
>>
>> DVD2:
>> - Loose Change SE (NL Subs)
>> - Mind The Gap
>> - 9-11 Mysteries (NL Subs)
>>
>> DVD3:
>> - Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings
>> - Riddles In Stone
>>
>> DVD4 Dark Secrets 1:
>> - Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove
>> - Conspiracy Of Silence
>> - 2 News clips about male prostitues at the whitehouse
>> - Ted Gunderson - Satanism & the CIA
>> - Gay Grigss - Homosexual blackmale in the US government
>> - 2 Mainstream Items on Skull & Bones
>> - Lucifer 2000
>>
>> DVD5 Dark Secrets 2:
>> - The Order Of Death
>> - Deliver Us from evil
>> - Mark Philips & Cathy O'Brien
>> - The Lightbringers Of Jahbulon
>> - Satans Kingdom
>>
>> DVD6:
>> - We Become Silent - The last days of health freedom
>> - The Other Side Of Aids (NL Subs)
>> - Psychiatry an industry of death
>> - Vaccination the hidden truth
>>
>> DVD7 Het Grote Complot NL (De Wint & Muntz):
>> - Media
>> - Politiek
>> - Geld
>> - Oorlog
>> - Misdaad
>> - Macht
>>
>> DVD8 The Power Of Nightmares:
>> - Baby it'c Cold Outside (NL Subs)
>> - The Phantom Victory (NL Subs)
>> - The Shadows In the cave
>> DVD9:
>> - Zeitgeist
>> - The Great Global Warming Swindle

en 9/11 press for Truth nl ondertitel.

en tweevandaag intervieuw met von Bulow en Meacher

[Pindar]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Babylonia

Filmavonden organiseren. Wie wil meedoen?
Ik heb al deze dvd s op projektiekwaliteit liggen
met de bedoeling filmavonden te organiseren in Leuven of elders.
Ben nu bezig met PFT op 23 nov in het provinciehuis en heb al een leuk contact uit de gemeenteraad ...
Wie er van wil gebruik maken ... let me know.
Filmavonden zijn een toffe manier om te mobiliseren.
Je kan dan overal een mooie flyer achter laten mails rond sturen die op zich al een instrument zijn met een link erop naar het internet. en affiches hangen!

DVD1:
>> - Terrorstorm
>> - Freedom to fascism
>> - Alex Jones interviews Aaron Russo
>>
>> DVD2:
>> - Loose Change SE (NL Subs)
>> - Mind The Gap
>> - 9-11 Mysteries (NL Subs)
>>
>> DVD3:
>> - Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings
>> - Riddles In Stone
>>
>> DVD4 Dark Secrets 1:
>> - Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove
>> - Conspiracy Of Silence
>> - 2 News clips about male prostitues at the whitehouse
>> - Ted Gunderson - Satanism & the CIA
>> - Gay Grigss - Homosexual blackmale in the US government
>> - 2 Mainstream Items on Skull & Bones
>> - Lucifer 2000
>>
>> DVD5 Dark Secrets 2:
>> - The Order Of Death
>> - Deliver Us from evil
>> - Mark Philips & Cathy O'Brien
>> - The Lightbringers Of Jahbulon
>> - Satans Kingdom
>>
>> DVD6:
>> - We Become Silent - The last days of health freedom
>> - The Other Side Of Aids (NL Subs)
>> - Psychiatry an industry of death
>> - Vaccination the hidden truth
>>
>> DVD7 Het Grote Complot NL (De Wint & Muntz):
>> - Media
>> - Politiek
>> - Geld
>> - Oorlog
>> - Misdaad
>> - Macht
>>
>> DVD8 The Power Of Nightmares:
>> - Baby it'c Cold Outside (NL Subs)
>> - The Phantom Victory (NL Subs)
>> - The Shadows In the cave
>> DVD9:
>> - Zeitgeist
>> - The Great Global Warming Swindle

en 9/11 press for Truth nl ondertitel.

en tweevandaag intervieuw met von Bulow en Meacher

Hele goede actie! Mooi voorbeeld!!


Thanks!



Pin d'Ar

[KrisKras]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Pindar

yep, ook bekend met de experimenten van Milgram?


Pin d'Ar

absoluut. Vrij grappig eigenlijk, maar toch een beetje ziek
Da was toch met die fake electroshocks wat de proefpersoon moest toedienen he?

[Pindar]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door KrisKras

absoluut. Vrij grappig eigenlijk, maar toch een beetje ziek
Da was toch met die fake electroshocks wat de proefpersoon moest toedienen he?

yep,

Het was een experiment om te onderzoeken hoe ver mensen
gingen als er een autoriteit verantwoordelijk werd gesteld en niet hunzelf.

Conclusie: Heeeeeeel ver! soms met als gevolg de 'dood' van degene
die zee schokken gaven

Geeft echt te denken!


Pin d'Ar

[Pindar]

Obedience to Authority
The experiment by Stanley Milgram

Stanley Milgram, a psychologist at Yale University, conducted a study focusing on the conflict between obedience to authority and personal conscience. He examined justifications for acts of genocide offered by those accused at the World War II, Nuremberg War Crimes trials. Their defence often was based on "obedience" - - that they were just obeying orders whilst under the authority of their superiors.
The experiment began in July 1961, a year after the trial of Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised the experiment to answer the question "Could it be that Eichmann, and his million accomplices in the Holocaust were just following orders? Could we call them all accomplices?"

The results of the study were made known in Milgram's Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View (1974).

So-called "teachers" (who were actually the unknowing subjects of the experiment) were recruited by Milgram in response to a newspaper ad offering $4.50 for one hour's work. Individual subjects thus recruited turned up to take part in a Psychology experiment investigating memory and learning at Linsly-Chittenden Hall on Yale University's old campus. He or she was introduced to a stern looking experimenter in a white coat and to a rather pleasant and friendly co-subject who was also presumably recruited via the newspaper ad. The experimenter explained that one subject would be assigned the role of "teacher" and the other would be assigned the role of "learner."

Two slips of paper marked "teacher" were handed to the subject and to the co-subject. The co-subject was actually an actor who, in posing as a subject to the experiment, subsequently claimed that his slip said "learner" such that the unknowing subject was inevitably led to believe that his role as "teacher" had been chosen randomly.
Both learner and teacher were then given a sample 45-volt electric shock from an apparatus attached to a chair into which the "actor-learner" was to be strapped. The fictitious story given to the "teachers" was that the experiment was intended to explore the effects of punishment for incorrect responses on learning behavior.

A succession of unknowing subjects in their roles as teacher were given simple memory tasks in the form of reading lists of two word pairs and asking the "learner" to read them back and were instructed to administer a shock by pressing a button each time the learner made a mistake. It was understood that the electric shocks were to be of increased by 15 volts in intensity for each mistake the "learner" made during the experiment.

The shock generator that the "teacher" was told to operate had 30 switches in 15 volt increments, each switch was labeled with a voltage ranging from 15 up to 450 volts. Each switch also had a rating, ranging from "slight shock" to "danger: severe shock". The final two switches being labeled "XXX". The experiment was conducted in a scenario where the "learner" was in another room but the "teacher" was made aware of the "actor-learner's" discomfort by poundings on the wall.
No further shocks were actually delivered - the "teacher" was not aware that the "learner" in the study was actually an actor who was intended, by the requirements of the experiment, to use his talents to indicate increasing levels of discomfort as the "teacher" administered increasingly severe electric shocks in response to the mistakes made by the "learner".

The experimenter was present in the same room as the "teacher" and whenever "teachers" asked whether increased shocks should be given he or she was verbally encouraged by the experimenter to continue. In this scenario 65% of the "teachers" obeyed orders to punish the learner to the very end of the 450-volt scale! No subject stopped before reaching 300 volts!

At times, the worried "teachers" questioned the experimenter, asking who was responsible for any harmful effects resulting from shocking the learner at such a high level. Upon receiving the answer that the experimenter assumed full responsibility, teachers seemed to accept the response and continue shocking, even though some were obviously extremely uncomfortable in doing so.

In an article entitled "The Perils of Obedience" (1974) Stanley Milgram wrote:-

"Before the experiments, I sought predictions about the outcome from various kinds of people -- psychiatrists, college sophomores, middle-class adults, graduate students and faculty in the behavioral sciences. With remarkable similarity, they predicted that virtually all the subjects would refuse to obey the experimenter. The psychiatrist, specifically, predicted that most subjects would not go beyond 150 volts, when the victim makes his first explicit demand to be freed. They expected that only 4 percent would reach 300 volts, and that only a pathological fringe of about one in a thousand would administer the highest shock on the board".


The Obedience to Authority experiment was continued by Milgram over a number of other scenarios such as where the "learner" could indicate discomfort by way of voice feedback - at "150 volts", the "actor-learner" requested that the experiment end, and was consistently told by the experimenter that - "The experiment requires that you continue. Please go on." or similar words. In this scenarion the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum 450 volts dropped slightly to 62.5%


Where the experiment was conducted in a nondescript office building rather than within the walls of a prestigiously ornate hall on Yale's old campus the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum voltage dropped to 47.5%.

Where the "teacher" had to physically place the "learner's" hand on a "shock plate" in order to give him shocks above 150 volts the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer the maximum voltage dropped to 30.0% and where the "experimenter" was at end of a phone line rather than being in the same room the percentage of subjects who were prepared to administer 450 volts dropped to 20.5% and where the "teacher" could himself nominate the shock level the percentage of subjects who were prepared to continue to the end of the scale dropped to 2.5%

Milgram summed up his findings in relation to the main experiment in "The Perils of Obedience" (1974):-

"The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous import, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation."

The experiment has been repeated by other psychologists around the world with similar results. Variations have been performed to test for variables in the experimental setup. For example, subjects are much more likely to be obedient when the experimenter is physically present than when the instructions are given over telephone.

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psych...xperiment.html


Pin d'Ar

[Pindar]

Defend the Constitution? They’ll drug you for it


The U.S. Government now officially considers people who “make numerous references to the Constitution” to be “potential terrorists”

video


Pin d'Ar

[Pindar]

Liberty Dollar office raided

Staff report
Originally published 01:42 p.m., November 15, 2007
Updated 01:42 p.m., November 15, 2007

The future of an Evansville-based company that produces a "private voluntary barter currency" known as the Liberty Dollar is in question after federal agents raided the facility this week, according to an e-mail sent by its founder.

Federal officials reportedly raided the group's headquarters, located in a strip mall at 225 N. Stockwell Road, early Wednesday morning and seized documents and precious metals.

FBI Agent Wendy Osborne, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Indianapolis office, directed all questions on the raid to the Western District of North Carolina U.S. Attorney's Office. A spokeswoman there said she had no information on the investigation.

Bernard von NotHaus, the group's monetary architect and the author of the e-mail, did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

Von NotHaus developed the Liberty Dollar in 1998 as an "inflation-proof" alternative currency to the U.S. Dollar, which he has claimed has devalued since the Federal Reserve was established in 1913. The silver medallions are produced by a private mint in Idaho on behalf of Evansville-based Liberty Services, which also issues paper notes which the group says are backed by silver reserves.

Liberty Dollar employees were at the office this morning cleaning up after the raid. They referred all questions to von NotHaus.

According to the e-mail, about a dozen agents arrived Wednesday morning and seized gold, silver, platinum and nearly two tons of recently delivered Ron Paul Dollars. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze the group's bank accounts, the e-mail said.

"We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed," von NotHaus wrote in the e-mail, which was sent to Liberty Dollar customers. "We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money."

The e-mail said the gold and silver that backs up the paper and digital currency was confiscated, as were the dies used to mint the Liberty Dollars themselves. As a result, it warns that recent orders placed for Liberty Dollars may not be filled and it encourages supporters to band together for a class action lawsuit.

The e-mail repeatedly defends the Liberty Dollar as legal.

"You did nothing wrong," von NotHaus wrote. "You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal to return America to a value based currency."

- Gavin Lesnick

http://www.courierpress.com/news/200...office-raided/


Pin d'Ar

[Günter Grass]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Babylonia

DVD1:

>> - Freedom to fascism
>> - Alex Jones interviews Aaron Russo


>> DVD8 The Power Of Nightmares:

>> DVD9:
>> - The Great Global Warming Swindle

en 9/11 press for Truth nl ondertitel.

Zeker doen, maar niet alle docu's zijn geschikt. Vaak zijn ze niet onderbouwd en komt er veel onzin in, wat de mensen afschrikt en je snijdt in je eigen leer daarmee.

Ik denk dat je je het best op deze hierboven concentreert, zeker in het begin. Press for Truth is echt veel hoger in te schatten dan de meeste andere 9/11 docu's. Hoe je het draait of keert, Alex Jones' films en Loose Change zitten vol gaten (en sommige zijn nog erger).

The Great Global Warming Swindle is redelijk wetenschappelijk en maakt valide punten, het slaat in als je geïnteresseerd bent.

Power of nightmares en Freedom to Fashism zijn ook best goed, maar minder toegankelijk als je eerder nieuw bent in de materie vrees ik.

[Pindar]

Police to search for guns in homes

Boston police are launching a program that will call upon parents in high-crime neighborhoods to allow detectives into their homes, without a warrant, to search for guns in their children's bedrooms. The program, which is already raising questions about civil liberties, is based on the premise that parents are so fearful of gun violence and the possibility that their own teenagers will be caught up in it that they will turn to police for help, even in their own households.'

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...guns_in_homes/

Pin d'Ar

[Babylonia]

Merci Gunther
Ik zou graag nog van Chavez
the revolution wil not be televised hebben wie????
En donot forget morgen in de Cinema Nova om 20 uur
9/11 Press For Truth met debat Mr Chiesa europalementaire
en Mr Paye expert inzake veiligheid;
En vrijdag in Leuven in de Provincie nog es !
www.911belgium.be

[StevenNr1]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Babylonia

Merci Gunther
Ik zou graag nog van Chavez
the revolution wil not be televised hebben wie????

Ge kunt die downloaden
Eerste deel van War On Democracy is ook voor groot stuk gekopieerd uit dien docu dachtek