OK het zijn er maar 600, véél te weinig natuurlijk...

PollyCorrect · 26 februari 2008, 19:23

... maar wél 600 méér dan welk land dan ook. In België is nog niet één Darfurse vluchteling bespeurd.

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Darfuris get Israeli ID cards
Dina Kraft
As hundreds of Darfuri refugees in Israel get temporary residency status and Israeli ID cards, they are beginning to set up for a long future in the Jewish state.

Published: 02/20/2008

TEL AVIV (JTA) -- Yassin Musa, a refugee from Darfur, removes his Israeli identity card from his worn leather wallet and holds it like a prize.

Musa is one of more than 600 Sudanese refugees from Darfur who have been granted temporary residency in Israel. He and his fellow Sudanese fled the genocide in Sudan and passed through Egypt on their way to the Jewish state.

Their new status here constitutes a major victory for the small Darfuri community in Israel and the non-governmental organizations that have been lobbying for them.

"I've now started to feel both Israeli and Darfuri," said Musa, 30, who fled Darfur five years ago after his village was attacked by the Janjaweed, Arab militiamen who have killed an estimated 200,000 people in Darfur over the last few years.

During the attack, Musa fled to nearby mountains but was tracked down by the fighters. He was arrested, beaten and eventually released, but the Janjaweed shot his father, brother and a cousin to death.

The Darfuris’ path to receiving Israeli temporary residency status -- the first were granted last month -- has not been easy. Most refugees first spent months in prison for entering Israeli illegally and then were released under house arrest to work mostly on kibbutzim, in small towns or at hotels in the Israeli resort city of Eilat.

Now they are newly free and are official residents of the Jewish state, thanks in large part to intense lobbying by NGOs, Knesset members, figures like Elie Wiesel and even Aliza Olmert, the prime minister's wife.

The Darfuris already have launched a networking and social welfare organization to help each other find work and places to live. They have also established a soccer league and even started a music group.

Musa, who was an architect in Darfur and hopes to continue in his profession in Israel, is the head of the new group, called the Sons of Darfur.

For now, the group is based in the one-room library of Hotline for Migrant Workers, one of the NGOs most instrumental in assisting them, a group that is funded by the New Israel Fund and others. The Sons of Darfur hope soon to find their own space where they can hold workshops, computer classes and meetings. For that, Musa says, they need to raise funds.

The Darfuris in Israel are mostly men, though there are women and children among them. Some are educated, having studied and worked in Sudan's capital, Khartoum, and speak decent English. Others are uneducated farmers from small villages who were never far from home until they were chased out by the Janjaweed.

More than 50 of the refugees already are enrolled in ulpan Hebrew language classes in Tel Aviv, and the children are in Israeli schools in different parts of the country.

Though many Darfuris come to Tel Aviv, the government is considering sending them and migrants from other African countries to the country's more rural North and South, where the government says there are more jobs suited to them. Many African immigrants already work in the hotel industry in Israel's southernmost city, Eilat.

In Tel Aviv, the Darfuris help each other out, offering to share small apartments with newcomers until they find work and can pay their own rent . They often work nights, in restaurant kitchens or as cleaners. They share work leads and on the weekends gather to play traditional Darfuri music.

Musa has received a scholarship at a local college to study an architecture software program that is the basis for most architectural work in Israel. He says his goal is to return to Darfur one day and rebuild the villages destroyed by the Janjaweed.

But he says he wants to do it in a "smart" way: to use better materials and more modern structures that would withstand possible future attacks and generally be more functional.

At his apartment at night, Musa sketches drawings of these homes and buildings.

"All the time I am thinking about rebuilding Darfur," Musa told JTA. "Villages there still look as they did hundreds of years ago. I think when there is peace we need to sit together and think about how to rebuild the region."

Musa says he and other refugees here are also thinking about ways to bring Israeli refugee relief to Darfur -- both to deliver aid to home and to boost Israel's reputation in Sudan, a Muslim country. He says he’s discussed the subject with Aliza Olmert, who has become an advocate on behalf of the refugees.

Like many Darfur refugees, Musa describes the difficult conditions and treatment in Egypt, where the refugees spent time before reaching Israel.

Once in Israel, he said, the refugees, though they were housed in a prison, were kept together in relatively good conditions in sections of the prison normally reserved for foreign workers awaiting deportation.

Musa said he has been moved by the response of the Israeli public to the plight of the Darfuris.

"Here there are really amazing people,” he said. “If I wasn't seeing it with my own eyes it would be difficult to believe it."

PollyCorrect · 26 februari 2008, 19:23

http://www.jta. org/cgi-bin/ iowa/news/ article/20080220 20080218darfuris rael.html

PollyCorrect · 27 februari 2008, 12:39

Ja, ik weet het. Een schande. Zomaar 600 moslims uit Darfoer een Identiteitskaart geven en huisvesting.

backfire · 27 februari 2008, 13:10

Ik vraag me af hoeveel Israël-bashers hierop zullen reageren

Dycore · 27 februari 2008, 13:48

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door PollyCorrect

Ja, ik weet het. Een schande. Zomaar 600 moslims uit Darfoer een Identiteitskaart geven en huisvesting.

Zijn Darfuris moslims? Ik betwijfel dat. Ze worden juist aangevallen door moslims, de janja-weed.

maddox · 27 februari 2008, 14:07

Met die Janjaweeds als voorbeeld zou je snel moslim af willen zijn, als je mens bent.

Ik applaudiseer voor Israël in dit geval. Vooral hun aanpak van huisarrest en arbeid vooraleer de "illigalen" de maatschappij in mogen.

PollyCorrect · 27 februari 2008, 14:55

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Zijn Darfuris moslims? Ik betwijfel dat. Ze worden juist aangevallen door moslims, de janja-weed.

"Yassin Musa" geen moslim?

PollyCorrect · 27 februari 2008, 14:56

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door backfire

Ik vraag me af hoeveel Israël-bashers hierop zullen reageren

die israël bashers vinden altijd wel iéts. Al was het een excuustruus met een keffieh op.

Jonas Elossov · 27 februari 2008, 15:28

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... maar wél 600 méér dan welk land dan ook. In België is nog niet één Darfurse vluchteling bespeurd.

Voor mijn part mogen er 20.000 Darfourse moslims naar België komen... Van jou ook?

Grappig vooral hoe de rechtsen dit aanhalen om Israel te verdedigen, maar zelf als eersten staan te roepen, wanneer er asielzoekers naar hier zouden komen.

PollyCorrect · 27 februari 2008, 15:35

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jonas Elossov

Voor mijn part mogen er 20.000 Darfourse moslims naar België komen... Van jou ook?

Grappig vooral hoe de rechtsen dit aanhalen om Israel te verdedigen, maar zelf als eersten staan te roepen, wanneer er asielzoekers naar hier zouden komen.

Grappige omkering van het typische linkse denken, Joontje.
Zodra er iets menselijks gebeurt doet men of dat toebehoort aan het Linkse Monopolie.

Niet, dus.

De wereld is allang anders gaan draaien.

Intelligente immigratie is namelijk niet bepaald één van de bloemigste erfenisjes van onze PS/SP beleidmakertjes, in tegenstelling tot wat Israël doet.

Metternich · 27 februari 2008, 16:07

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jonas Elossov

de rechtsen

Dé rechtsen bestaan evenveel als dé linksen.

Ramón Gitannes · 27 februari 2008, 16:17

Breng je dit oude nieuws nu om het nieuwe nieuws te verzachten?

Citaat:

Israel to deport African asylum seekers

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has directed Israeli authorities to deport thousands of African asylum seekers who have sneaked into Israel through the Egyptian border and whose lives would not be endangered if sent home, his office said.
http://news.theage.com.au/israel-to-...0225-1uhi.html

Citaat:

200 African migrants detained in TA raid

Immigration police raided the area surrounding the Tel Aviv central bus station Monday, combing through shelters and rounding up more than 200 refugees.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7264500.stm

PollyCorrect · 27 februari 2008, 16:25

Intelligente immigratie.

Ramón Gitannes · 27 februari 2008, 16:32

Gaat het hier om een verloren joodse stam? Wij hebben ginder achter geen stammen verloren, wij hoeven niet bij te dragen in deze kwestie.

Jazeker · 27 februari 2008, 17:20

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Ramón Gitannes

Gaat het hier om een verloren joodse stam? Wij hebben ginder achter geen stammen verloren, wij hoeven niet bij te dragen in deze kwestie.

Omdat er geen oude Vlaamse migranten ginder zitten mag de genocide doorgaan? Waarom? Omdat ze door Moslims gebeurt?

Dr. Strangelove · 27 februari 2008, 18:12

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dycore

Zijn Darfuris moslims? Ik betwijfel dat. Ze worden juist aangevallen door moslims, de janja-weed.

ja, de 'Darfuri's' zijn moslims. Je mag ze trouwens ook gewoon de Four noemen.

Wat hen onderscheidt van de janjaweed is niet hun geloof, maar hun economische positie (de janjaweed zijn nomaden en veetelers, de Four zijn half-nomaden die ook aan landbouw doen) en de taal (de janjaweed zijn arabischtalig, wat niet hetzelfde is als zeggen dat ze Arabieren zijn)

Dr. Strangelove · 27 februari 2008, 18:16

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Omdat er geen oude Vlaamse migranten ginder zitten mag de genocide doorgaan? Waarom? Omdat ze door Moslims gebeurt?

Door moslims, en tégen moslims. Ergo, dit is geen religieus geïnspireerde etnische zuivering. Het verbaast me dat ik dit moet blijven herhalen.

Geert C · 27 februari 2008, 18:16

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... maar wél 600 méér dan welk land dan ook. In België is nog niet één Darfurse vluchteling bespeurd.

Heb je cijfers over hoeveel Soedanese vluchtelingen er in België zijn?

Herr Oberst · 27 februari 2008, 18:17

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Jonas Elossov

Voor mijn part mogen er 20.000 Darfourse moslims naar België komen... Van jou ook?

Grappig vooral hoe de rechtsen dit aanhalen om Israel te verdedigen, maar zelf als eersten staan te roepen, wanneer er asielzoekers naar hier zouden komen.

Nochtans ben ik ook als 'rechts' te beschouwen, en zal ik Israël zeker niet zomaar verdedigen, en vooral niet indien dat land misbruik maakt van het leed in Darfoer om aan economische migratie te doen.

evilbu · 27 februari 2008, 20:50

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dycore

Zijn Darfuris moslims? Ik betwijfel dat. Ze worden juist aangevallen door moslims, de janja-weed.

Oorlogen tussen moslims zijn zo ordinair als oorlogen tussen christenen onderling?

26 februari 2008, 19:23	#1
PollyCorrect Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 11 april 2004 Berichten: 11.718	OK het zijn er maar 600, véél te weinig natuurlijk... ... maar wél 600 méér dan welk land dan ook. In België is nog niet één Darfurse vluchteling bespeurd. *************************** Darfuris get Israeli ID cards Dina Kraft As hundreds of Darfuri refugees in Israel get temporary residency status and Israeli ID cards, they are beginning to set up for a long future in the Jewish state. Published: 02/20/2008 TEL AVIV (JTA) -- Yassin Musa, a refugee from Darfur, removes his Israeli identity card from his worn leather wallet and holds it like a prize. Musa is one of more than 600 Sudanese refugees from Darfur who have been granted temporary residency in Israel. He and his fellow Sudanese fled the genocide in Sudan and passed through Egypt on their way to the Jewish state. Their new status here constitutes a major victory for the small Darfuri community in Israel and the non-governmental organizations that have been lobbying for them. "I've now started to feel both Israeli and Darfuri," said Musa, 30, who fled Darfur five years ago after his village was attacked by the Janjaweed, Arab militiamen who have killed an estimated 200,000 people in Darfur over the last few years. During the attack, Musa fled to nearby mountains but was tracked down by the fighters. He was arrested, beaten and eventually released, but the Janjaweed shot his father, brother and a cousin to death. The Darfuris’ path to receiving Israeli temporary residency status -- the first were granted last month -- has not been easy. Most refugees first spent months in prison for entering Israeli illegally and then were released under house arrest to work mostly on kibbutzim, in small towns or at hotels in the Israeli resort city of Eilat. Now they are newly free and are official residents of the Jewish state, thanks in large part to intense lobbying by NGOs, Knesset members, figures like Elie Wiesel and even Aliza Olmert, the prime minister's wife. The Darfuris already have launched a networking and social welfare organization to help each other find work and places to live. They have also established a soccer league and even started a music group. Musa, who was an architect in Darfur and hopes to continue in his profession in Israel, is the head of the new group, called the Sons of Darfur. For now, the group is based in the one-room library of Hotline for Migrant Workers, one of the NGOs most instrumental in assisting them, a group that is funded by the New Israel Fund and others. The Sons of Darfur hope soon to find their own space where they can hold workshops, computer classes and meetings. For that, Musa says, they need to raise funds. The Darfuris in Israel are mostly men, though there are women and children among them. Some are educated, having studied and worked in Sudan's capital, Khartoum, and speak decent English. Others are uneducated farmers from small villages who were never far from home until they were chased out by the Janjaweed. More than 50 of the refugees already are enrolled in ulpan Hebrew language classes in Tel Aviv, and the children are in Israeli schools in different parts of the country. Though many Darfuris come to Tel Aviv, the government is considering sending them and migrants from other African countries to the country's more rural North and South, where the government says there are more jobs suited to them. Many African immigrants already work in the hotel industry in Israel's southernmost city, Eilat. In Tel Aviv, the Darfuris help each other out, offering to share small apartments with newcomers until they find work and can pay their own rent . They often work nights, in restaurant kitchens or as cleaners. They share work leads and on the weekends gather to play traditional Darfuri music. Musa has received a scholarship at a local college to study an architecture software program that is the basis for most architectural work in Israel. He says his goal is to return to Darfur one day and rebuild the villages destroyed by the Janjaweed. But he says he wants to do it in a "smart" way: to use better materials and more modern structures that would withstand possible future attacks and generally be more functional. At his apartment at night, Musa sketches drawings of these homes and buildings. "All the time I am thinking about rebuilding Darfur," Musa told JTA. "Villages there still look as they did hundreds of years ago. I think when there is peace we need to sit together and think about how to rebuild the region." Musa says he and other refugees here are also thinking about ways to bring Israeli refugee relief to Darfur -- both to deliver aid to home and to boost Israel's reputation in Sudan, a Muslim country. He says he’s discussed the subject with Aliza Olmert, who has become an advocate on behalf of the refugees. Like many Darfur refugees, Musa describes the difficult conditions and treatment in Egypt, where the refugees spent time before reaching Israel. Once in Israel, he said, the refugees, though they were housed in a prison, were kept together in relatively good conditions in sections of the prison normally reserved for foreign workers awaiting deportation. Musa said he has been moved by the response of the Israeli public to the plight of the Darfuris. "Here there are really amazing people,” he said. “If I wasn't seeing it with my own eyes it would be difficult to believe it." __________________ Ook zo blij dat 2010 het Europees Jaar van de Strijd tegen de Armoede en de Sociale Uitsluiting was?**

26 februari 2008, 19:23	#2
PollyCorrect Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 11 april 2004 Berichten: 11.718	http://www.jta. org/cgi-bin/ iowa/news/ article/20080220 20080218darfuris rael.html __________________ Ook zo blij dat 2010 het Europees Jaar van de Strijd tegen de Armoede en de Sociale Uitsluiting was?

27 februari 2008, 12:39	#3
PollyCorrect Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 11 april 2004 Berichten: 11.718	Ja, ik weet het. Een schande. Zomaar 600 moslims uit Darfoer een Identiteitskaart geven en huisvesting. __________________ Ook zo blij dat 2010 het Europees Jaar van de Strijd tegen de Armoede en de Sociale Uitsluiting was?

27 februari 2008, 13:10	#4
backfire Minister-President Geregistreerd: 28 juni 2007 Locatie: Thuis Berichten: 5.172	Ik vraag me af hoeveel Israël-bashers hierop zullen reageren __________________ It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents, pounds, shillings and pence.

27 februari 2008, 14:07	#6
maddox Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 25 september 2002 Locatie: vilvoorde Berichten: 70.141	Met die Janjaweeds als voorbeeld zou je snel moslim af willen zijn, als je mens bent. Ik applaudiseer voor Israël in dit geval. Vooral hun aanpak van huisarrest en arbeid vooraleer de "illigalen" de maatschappij in mogen. __________________ De meeste mensen gaan naar het werk om geld te krijgen, niet om het te verdienen. Laatst gewijzigd door maddox : 27 februari 2008 om 14:07.

27 februari 2008, 16:25	#13
PollyCorrect Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 11 april 2004 Berichten: 11.718	Intelligente immigratie. __________________ Ook zo blij dat 2010 het Europees Jaar van de Strijd tegen de Armoede en de Sociale Uitsluiting was?

27 februari 2008, 16:32	#14
Ramón Gitannes Provinciaal Statenlid Geregistreerd: 11 augustus 2007 Berichten: 746	Gaat het hier om een verloren joodse stam? Wij hebben ginder achter geen stammen verloren, wij hoeven niet bij te dragen in deze kwestie.