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Begin er maar eens aan. Het is onmogelijk te bewijzen dat iets niet bestaat of bestaan heeft. De bewijslast ligt uiteraard bij de believers. Aantal bewijsmateriaal tot op heden, ondanks alle boeken, internetsites, theorieën en lezingen : nul. |
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Trouwens, ik vind huiswerk nogal nutteloos. Soit, relevantie? Of had je eigenlijk niets zinnigs te vertellen? Laatst gewijzigd door fox : 24 april 2008 om 12:09. |
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Ik veracht extreem-rechts, extreem-links, mensen die mij hun religie willen opdringen en misdadigers (van jongeren die geen respect meer hebben voor gezag tot managers die miljoenen aan belastingen ontduiken). Zijn er nog gewone, seculiere democraten? |
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En ik herhaal: die pdf is gratis te downloaden het kost je dus niets. |
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Het is net die buffer van verkozenen die toch meer of meer uit dezelfde kaste komt dat ervoor zorgt dat er geen echte democratie is. Deze buffer zal mensen met een te sterk afwijkende mening niet tolereren.
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Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself. – Rumi
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![]() In den beginne was er het Vliegend Spaghetti Monster dat alles schiep en in beweging zette. Vervolgens was er Amon/Aton/Jahweh/Apollo/Brahma/Vishnoe/Kali en dergelijken
die sommige mensen toespraken door middel van brandende braambossen en dergelijke en die Profeten kwamen van hun heuvelen met tafelen, dikteerden hun relaas in grotten, staken lichten aan in Bhodi-bomen ... Je zou zeggen dat de clan van de Vliegende Spaghettimonsterianen tevreden zouden kunnen zijn met zulke effectieve propagandamachine : maar nee hoor : verwarring heerste alom, het geslacht van de engelen was ploteseling een zaak van levensbelang & ook in hoeverre het beeld van het supernaturrlijke almachtige wezen dat ertgens het heelal aanstuurt overeenkomt met dat van de mens zaelf was plotsklaps van het hoogste belang. dit alles terwijl er in alle openbaringen feitelijk niet over te vinden is (of toch heel weinig) "Men" kreeg wel in de gaten dat er iets niet klopt; dat er altijd ergens een of andere klootzak het spel vervalst, een aas in zijn mouw steekt & zo worden er pogingen ondernomen om de "oude machten" te onttronen terug te keren naar het voorbije voort te hollen naar het onnoembare nieuwe. ergens in een grot in de buurt van Aylers Rock zit een oude profeet de wereld te dromen.....
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Compare the Peruvians and Egyptians. The number of complex comparisons between the two peoples far surpasses serendipity. Both cultures believed in an immaterial soul which reincarnates through multiple physical existences. They both worshipped the Sun, Moon, and Stars, and held amazing astronomical knowledge, much of which has just recently been rediscovered. Both peoples built amazing stone pyramids, often containing boulders too heavy for modern cranes to lift, quarried from miles away. Both cultures embalmed/mummified their dead. Peruvian and Egyptian royalty both wrapped children’s heads in the practice of “skull elongation” (like trepanning) to attain higher consciousness. They both divided the year into twelve months. Both peoples had a women’s order of vestal virgins vowed to celibacy, and violating their vows was punished on both continents by their being buried alive. Both cultures offered animal sacrifices and divined the future by examining the animal’s entrails. They both built huge arches and strewed the road with flowers for returning home triumphant warriors/heroes. At the beginning of each agricultural season during a big celebration, the Kings placed their hands to the plough and ploughed the first furrow. Are we to believe such incredibly specific practices developed completely independent of one another? “When the Spanish missionaries first set foot upon the soil of America, in the fifteenth century, they were amazed to find the Cross was as devoutly worshipped by the red Indians as by themselves.” -Ignatius Donnelly, “Atlantis: The Antediluvian World” Ancient symbols like the cross and the swastika already existed in the Americas long before the Europeans came. Egyptian symbols like the “Akeru” back to back lion gods hieroglyph are found in Olmec temples from ancient Mexico. We have also found Mayan art and glyphs in Egypt. Modern Mayans and tribal Egyptians both recognize the languages found in their countries as that of their ancestors and both can read much of it. We’ve discovered artwork 2-3000 years old clearly depicting negroes and caucasians in Central America. The establishment remains silent on all these issues. Stubborn Egyptologists/Anthropologists and our government textbooks also claim that the ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, and Babylonian cultures all somehow started at the height of their civilization and rapidly devolved as their empires fell. This is standard accepted “fact” but how is it possible that such advanced cultures just magically appeared at the beginning of recorded history? “The region of Mesopotamia (Sumeria), which seems to have suddenly appeared out of nowhere (according to Academia), had a high knowledge of astronomy, architecture, a pantheon of gods, agriculture, gourmet foods, and courts. It is considered to be the cradle of civilization. Mesopotamia, in the north, encompassed the rivers Tigris and Euphrates, which flowed from the Garden of Eden, in the Genesis stories. The places known as Atlantis, Dilmun, and Lemuria are mentioned in the records of Sumeria. This is an obvious indication that these societies or cities pre-dated the Sumerian era. Therefore, the Mesopotamian civilization did not suddenly appear out of nowhere. It was more likely a relocated ancient ‘Lost Civilization’” -James Arthur, “Mushrooms and Mankind” (37) “One of the great mysteries that Egyptologists can never explain is this devolution, this retrograde. You look at the old kingdom, the pyramids, the type of hieroglyphs, the type of jewelry, the type of art produced, and then as it goes forward to the middle kingdom it devolves, it’s less advanced - to the new kingdom when they didn’t even build in granite or limestone anymore but in sandstone a much softer stone, easier to work with.” -Egyptologist Stephen Mehler, “Egypt and the Ancients.” Coast 2 Coast interview, August, 2004 Are we honestly to believe that advanced mathematics, medicine, astronomy, architecture, art, writing, and a complex spirituality were already fully developed from the very beginning of human civilization? “How does a complex civilization spring full-blown into being? Look at a 1905 automobile and compare it to a modern one. There is no mistaking the process of ‘development.’ But in Egypt there are no parallels. Everything is right there at the start.” -John Anthony West, Egyptologist “The ancient civilization of the land we call Egypt has been pronounced by archaeologists as flawless of its type from the very first. It reveals none of the painful steps from primeval beginnings passing through the Paleolithic, Neolithic, and Bronze Age, to that of Iron. It apparently burst upon the scene into exotic radiance, its perfected civilization accordingly having been described as a miracle. Science cannot admit any such miracle and another explanation must be forthcoming.” -Comyns Beaumont “What we call ‘Egypt’ lasted longer than the later Hellenic, Roman, Byzantine, Medieval, Renaissance, Enlightenment, Industrial, and modern ages put together and multiplied by three. The manipulators of history, therefore, purposely concentrate our attention on the latter days, in order to prevent us delving back into Egypt's past. They do so, understandably, for they have everything to lose once humankind becomes reintroduced to the archive of knowledge and wisdom that was common to our ancestors.” -Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology” “Why did the Sumerians spend thousands of man-years of effort to build and maintain hundreds of temples and ziggurats to their gods? The official explanation is that they invented their deities as an imaginative psychological response to a hostile, incomprehensible environment. The Sumerian beliefs are thus dismissed as a classic example of mankind’s need for religion. However, such facile solutions leave unexplained the origin of the Sumerians’ sophisticated scientific knowledge. Inventing gods is one thing, but inventing the technology to measure the movements of the planets and stars is another thing entirely!” Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” 64 The Sumerians already knew of all the planets in the solar system and their relative sizes and distances from one another. They also built massive pyramids and ziggurats just like every other advanced ancient culture. Today there are hundreds of pyramids still standing all over the world from India to Peru. Cultures separated by the Atlantic, who supposedly never discovered each other’s existence, built these giant triangular structures, aligned them to cardinal directions, encoded within them sacred geometry/math, and used them as a sepulture. “As Keel says in Disneyland of the Gods: We know that pyramid building was once a universal practice throughout the world. Over six thousand years ago unknown peoples were assembling great pyramids in Mexico. Gigantic man-made mounds were constructed in China, Great Britain, North America, and on remote Pacific islands while the Egyptians were still living in mud huts along the Nile. During World War II pilots flying ‘the hump’ reported seeing one or more massive pyramids standing silently in isolated Himalaya valleys. Of the ubiquitousness and similarity of pyramids, David Hatcher Childress states: Mayan pyramids are found from Central America to as far away as the Indonesian island of Java. The pyramid of Sukuh, on the slopes of Mount Lawu near Surakarta in central Java is an amazing temple with stone stelae and a step pyramid that would match any in the jungles of Central America. The pyramid is in fact virtually identical to the pyramids found at the ancient Mayan site at Uaxactun, near Tikal. In speaking of the global civilization, Keel elucidates the weaknesses of the current archaeological paradigm: All these things seem to be interrelated, as if they were once part of some great civilization—a common culture that spread throughout the world and then died …We have a reasonably complete history of the past two thousand years, and a half-baked archaeological reconstruction of the past five thousand years. But there are so many gaps in our knowledge that most the popular archaeological theories really have very little merit. Indeed, we can’t even be sure that the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid … In fact, the Great Pyramid is admittedly much more ancient than the Egyptians of history, as Hotema relates: When the most ancient Egyptians first saw the mysterious Sphinx and the great Pyramid of Gizeh, only their tops projected above the wind-blown sand of the desert. They knew no more about the purpose of these structures, their builders, or when they were built, than we do” -Acharya S., “The Christ Conspiracy” (279) The Great Pyramids at Giza, even by today’s standards, are absolute miracles in architecture, masonry/construction, mathematics, and astronomy. The dimensions of the pyramids are extremely accurate and the site was leveled to within a fraction of an inch over the entire base. This is comparable to the accuracy possible with modern construction/surveying methods and laser leveling. “Beneath the now-removed outer layer, the Pyramid’s construction consists of approximately 2,500,000 dressed stones, mostly yellow limestone, but with harder granite for certain interior features. The total mass of the Great Pyramid is estimated at around 90 million cubic feet, which would weigh between 6-7 million tons. To put this into proper perspective, the highest cathedral nave in Europe would fit three times into its height, and its mass exceeds that of all the cathedrals, churches and chapels built in England since the beginning of Christianity! The Great Pyramid is often cited as the largest building on Earth, with twice the volume and thirty times the mass of New York’s famous Empire State Building. The Pyramid rests on an artificially leveled platform, which is less than 22 inches thick, yet is still almost perfectly level, with errors of less than an inch across its entire area, despite supporting such an enormous weight for thousands of years. The base of the Pyramid is set out perfectly square - no mean feat of engineering in itself.” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” (41) Up until the last millennium the pyramids were covered completely with smooth polished limestone casing blocks. In other words, the pyramids were not an irregular looking series of steps with a missing capstone like they are now. They were covered with 115,000 10-ton casing sheets of polished limestone fitted so perfectly that a razor’s edge couldn’t get between casings, less than 1/50th of an inch. The Egyptians wrote how it reflected the sun like a mirror on all sides. Today there are still a few polished casings leftover at the base of one side. “Our first example of twentieth century engineering in the Giza pyramids is the six sided limestone casing blocks, which were polished and precision, carved to fit perfectly with each other and the core stones, with joints measuring less than one fiftieth of an inch. As if this was not incredible enough, all of these stones were found to be joined together with an extremely fine but strong cement, which had been applied evenly on semi-vertical faces across a surface expanse covering 21 acres on the Great pyramid alone! … The second example is the internal passages of the Great Pyramid. These passages have been measured countless times and found to be perfectly straight, with a deviation, in the case of the Descending Passage, of less than one fiftieth of an inch along its masonry part. Over a length of 150 feet that is incredible. If one includes the further 200 feet of passage bored through the solid rock, the error is less than one quarter of an inch. Now this is engineering of the highest precision, comparable with twentieth century technology, but supposedly achieved 4,500 years ago: Our third example is the machining of granite within the pyramids. One of the first archaeologists to carry out a thorough survey of the Pyramid was Petrie, who was particularly struck by the granite coffer in the King’s Chamber. The precision with which the coffer had been carved out of a single block of extremely hard granite struck him as quite remarkable. Petrie estimated that diamond-tipped drills would need to have been applied with a pressure of two tons, in order to hollow out the granite box. It was not a serious suggestion as to the method actually used. but simply his way of expressing the impossibility of creating that artifact using nineteenth century technology. It is still a difficult challenge, even with twentieth century technology. And yet we are supposed to believe that Khufu achieved this at a time when the Egyptians possessed only the most basic copper hand tools.” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” (43-4) Under the pyramids are large tunnels hundreds of meters deep drilled into limestone bedrock with almost perfect 90 degree angles. This kind of drilling technology has only existed (in our current paradigm) for under a century, so how were they drilling, chiseling and lifting all these megalithic structures? In a famous meeting with a panel of Egyptologists, author of “Giza Power Plant” Christopher Dunn brought a slab of granite, a hammer and a copper chisel and asked for a demonstration of how Egyptians were supposed to have chiseled out thousand-ton granite obelisks using simple hand tools. After a few whacks at it, the copper chisel had a deep indent and not a chip of granite was displaced. “Chris Dunn found that many artifacts bore the same marks as conventional twentieth century machining methods - sawing, lathe and milling practices He was particularly interested, however, in the evidence of a modern processing technique known as trepanning. This process is used to excavate a hollow in a block of hard stone by first drilling, and then breaking out, the remaining “core” Petrie had studied both the hollows and the cores, and been astonished to find spiral grooves on the core which indicated a drill feed rate of 0.100 inch per revolution of the drill. This initially seemed to be impossible. In 1983, Dunn had ascertained that industrial diamond drills could cut granite with a drill rotation speed of 900 revolutions per minute and a feed rate of 0.0002 inch per revolution. What these technicalities actually mean is that the ancient Egyptians were cutting their granite with a feed rate 500 times greater than 1983 technology!” -Alan F. Alford, “Gods of the New Millennium – The Shattering Truth of Human Origins” (44) “On the granite core the spiral of the cut sinks 1 inch in the circumference of 6 inches, a rate of ploughing out which is astonishing … These rapid spiral grooves cannot be ascribed to anything but the descent of the drill into the granite under enormous pressure.” -W.M. Flinders Petrie, “The Pyramids and Temples at Gizeh” “Wasn’t it peculiar that at the supposed dawn of human civilization, more than 4500 years ago, the ancient Egyptians had acquired what sounded like industrial-age drills packing a ton or more of punch and capable of slicking through hard stones like hot knives through butter?” -Graham Hancock, “Fingerprints of the Gods” www.linktoit.com/atlanteanconspiracy Laatst gewijzigd door ericdubay : 24 april 2008 om 13:07. |
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op het ingternet heb je oa. de inteeressante blog van Wallstöm EU commissaris, de gebruikelijke officiële sites, de EU politieke partijen enz.. Ik weet niet welke site er nu een referendum eist, maar ik weet wel dat ik de vraag naar een EU referendum vanwege de europese federalisten onderschreef - die eisen nl. een EU referendum ttz. dat het totale kiezerszpubliek van de EU zich zou uitspreken volgens de normen gesteld door de ontwerp-verdrag grondwet en het verdrag van Lissabon ttz. een referendum dat door 1 miljoen EU burgers onderschreven is kan een kwestie doen voorleggen aan het EP. Nu puur op de in deze draad ontwikkelde redeneringen over vrijheid en democratie - Ik ken persoonlijk geen enkele staat waar de wetgeving door unanimiteit van een vertegenwoordigend orgaan of door unanimiteit van alle kiezers genomen wordt er is altijd een systeem van meerderheid tegen minderheid (en dat de minderheid niet enthoesiast is is wel zeker). Bij mijn weten is er ook geen enkele staat die zijn eigen grondwet aan de kiezers voorlegde, ergo de afscheidingen van de diverse joegoslavische republieken inclusief de afscheiding tussen Slovakije en Tsjechië gebeurden zonder referendum. Het zou derhalve absoluut interessant en democratisch zijn om eens vast te leggen in elke deelstaat van de EU afzonderlijk en in de EU als geheel in welke materies referenda verplicht en/of gewenst zijn. Het gaat niet op dat men voor het inrichten van een referendum aangewezen is op de "goodwill" van de zittende volksvertgegenwoordiging. Ook allerlei vormen van manipulatie van kiespubliek en of keuze van de vraagstelling, verplichtheid mee te doen of vrijstelling ervan zijn ondemocratische vallen die de rechtsgeldigheid van referenda vernietigen en ze herleiden tot propagandistische waanzin. In het algemeen geldt voor het verdrag van Lissabon dat de oppositie tegen dit verdrag vanuit totaal tegengestelde zijden komt : er is de nationalistisch/provinciualistische refleks en er is de anti-kapitalistische reflex voor meer sociale zekerheid. Bovendien is er nog een internationalistisch Euroipese federale reflkex die gewoon vindt dat het verdrag niet ver genoeg gaat er bv. ook een EU burgerschap moet ingesteld worden en de instellingen gedemocratizeerd wat nu vooral door de behoudgezinde nationalisten tegengehouden wordt.
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Professor Hendrik Vos is zelfs toelichting komen geven daarover op Canvas. En de volgende dag stond het in alle kranten. Your point being? ![]() Ter info : Citaat:
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![]() Here's a Scribd link so you guys can check out the book online without downloading it:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2567299/El...ShareWorldwide Please take 10 minutes to skim through this, I promise you won't be disappointed and this book will blow your mind. Thanks, Peace |
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En Obama zal de erfgenaam blijken te zijn van Shaka Zulu. |
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![]() Your picture "with this Rock I shall rule the world." You wouldn't happen to be a Stone Mason would you? In my book I have a whole chapter on Freemasonry, and your avatar tells me you're one of the many Cointel Pro Mason/agents that monitor the internet, providing "establishment rationalism" against "crazy/paranoid conspiracy theorists" like myself.
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