De andere kant - Israel - Gaza - Pagina 6

RodeLantaarn · 3 juni 2010, 14:24

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1) so what you basically say is that if we will allow Hamas to kill more Israelis you will be on my side?
Can you imagine how it feels to live in a boomed city for 8 years?

Heard the same argument over 9000 times. How many have been killed during that period? With source please.

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2)the fact that they get weapons in other ways does not mean that we ned to make it easier

Sure, and Israel can have all the weapons it wants, no? Because they are the responsible ones?

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3)I don't need to put my self in the "perspective of the Palestinian" I see it every year when my government send me to the occupy territories, I know what they are suffering in the road block in with the fence, but still they are much better then they were before and they will get all they want if they will just sit to the table and talk.
Fact and point: Fatah got all that he has from sitting to the table with us, Egypt got all of Sinai from talking to us, Jordan got all that they wanted through the table.
So we have credentials already, we are not BS. All we want is for them to give us what we want. It is called negotiations!

And I assume there would be a great effort by the Israeli goverment to start negotiations asap? That counts for Palestine as well

Savatage · 3 juni 2010, 14:30

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8000 rockets that did hardly any damage compared to the destruction and bombardments that the Isralean army is capable of? It is pure suppression of a people based on illogical fear and indoctrination that there is a so-called 'clash of cultures' going on. The only clash is in the minds of people. Incited by propaganda by those who profit from it.

So it's ok to launch 8000 rockets at innocent targets in your opinion? Seems like the drugs finally might have started to affect your mind.

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 14:38

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So it's ok to launch 8000 rockets at innocent targets in your opinion? Seems like the drugs finally might have started to affect your mind.

It's war , u gotta fight with what u have.
Give them drones, heli's , F-16, tanks , ...

RodeLantaarn · 3 juni 2010, 14:39

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So it's ok to launch 8000 rockets at innocent targets in your opinion? Seems like the drugs finally might have started to affect your mind.

I keep on wondering, how in the world is it that you can derive such idiotic notions from such a message? I know you're not the best in understanding texts, but repeating the same time after time? Does it actually matter?

Dixie · 3 juni 2010, 14:53

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It's war , u gotta fight with what u have.
Give them drones, heli's , F-16, tanks , ...

as in 67 for example?

Johan Bollen · 3 juni 2010, 15:11

Israel's defenders mobilize, threaten

longhorn · 3 juni 2010, 15:57

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Israel's defenders mobilize, threaten

Er is zeker een harde, fanatieke Joodse groep in de VS gesteund door de neo-cons maar de Amerikaanse joden zijn grotendeels progressief. 78% van hen heeft voor Obama gestemd. Zij zouden wellicht niet voor Netanyahu/Liebermann gestemd hebben als Israeli's.

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 16:01

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Heard the same argument over 9000 times. How many have been killed during that period? With source please.

Sure, and Israel can have all the weapons it wants, no? Because they are the responsible ones?

And I assume there would be a great effort by the Israeli goverment to start negotiations asap? That counts for Palestine as well

Hi RodeLantaarn!

1) "How many have been killed" - So what is your point? Do we need to be killed in order for you to bi on Israel side? If we would had 8000 dead would it make you be on Israel side? Please try to make a point!
2) "Israel can have all the weapons it wants" - Israel use weapons when it have to, for exmple the Flotila, Accurding to what you say Israel should have shot torpidos on the ships
3)start negotiations - I don't know if you have noticed but we are in negotiations with the Palestinians already!

Savatage · 3 juni 2010, 16:05

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I keep on wondering, how in the world is it that you can derive such idiotic notions from such a message? I know you're not the best in understanding texts, but repeating the same time after time? Does it actually matter?

Hrm, apparently you're not even capable of remembering your one posts. Well, let me help:

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8000 rockets that did hardly any damage compared to the destruction and bombardments that the Isralean army is capable of?

It shouldn't have been that hard to remember it, you only wrote it like two hours ago ...

Israëlisch · 3 juni 2010, 16:05

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Er is zeker een harde, fanatieke Joodse groep in de VS gesteund door de neo-cons maar de Amerikaanse joden zijn grotendeels progressief. 78% van hen heeft voor Obama gestemd. Zij zouden wellicht niet voor Netanyahu/Liebermann gestemd hebben als Israeli's.

Hi Longhorn

You are right, most Jews in the US are Democrats.
Some ppl here in Israel also consider the Neo conservatives and the evangelic community as more of a "bear hug" other then just support.
The Evangelical in the US are a strong group that think that Israel should be all for the Jew and are actually not that supportive of the peace talks.

RodeLantaarn · 3 juni 2010, 16:26

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Hrm, apparently you're not even capable of remembering your one posts. Well, let me help:

It shouldn't have been that hard to remember it, you only wrote it like two hours ago ...

You keep making the same mistake. Where does it say that I approve of the shooting? I'm not the one whos sanity is questionable.

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 16:31

Question for the Israelite :
In a democracy , who is held responsible and is punished when they commit a crime.

In Israel, who is punished and how when they commit a "crime".

RodeLantaarn · 3 juni 2010, 16:35

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Hi RodeLantaarn!

1) "How many have been killed" - So what is your point? Do we need to be killed in order for you to bi on Israel side? If we would had 8000 dead would it make you be on Israel side? Please try to make a point!

How many in comparison to Israelian victims? Since you think it is justifieable to make war because of the rockets, i want to know how much suffering retaliation was responsible for. So, give me the numbers.

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2) "Israel can have all the weapons it wants" - Israel use weapons when it have to, for exmple the Flotila, Accurding to what you say Israel should have shot torpidos on the ships

No. I was showing you the hippocracy that lies in the paranoia you have about the Palestinian weapon smuggling. I don't understand why you have to generalise and assume things that are over the line all the time. That doesn't realy give an idication that you have dual perspective.

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3)start negotiations - I don't know if you have noticed but we are in negotiations with the Palestinians already!

Show proof.

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 17:14

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What are the key unanswered questions?
Apart from the question as to who started the violence, it remains unclear whether the commandos' lives were in danger when they opened fire, whether all the dead activists were attacking at the time they were shot, and whether they were all armed. The video released by the Israeli military stops just before the shooting begins.

Ran out of tape?

Hoogmoed · 3 juni 2010, 17:17

ach zo zijn we afgegleden naar een engels forum?!!

liberalist_NL · 3 juni 2010, 17:18

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Hi Longhorn

You are right, most Jews in the US are Democrats.
Some ppl here in Israel also consider the Neo conservatives and the evangelic community as more of a "bear hug" other then just support.
The Evangelical in the US are a strong group that think that Israel should be all for the Jew and are actually not that supportive of the peace talks.

Israel used to be a left-wing country aswell. But through decades of escalating conflict with the Arabs, they've become more of a right-wing country. And I don't blame them for that. If I were Israeli, I'd vote Kadima.

liberalist_NL · 3 juni 2010, 17:18

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ach zo zijn we afgegleden naar een engels forum?!!

Moeilijk, hè?

Dajjal · 3 juni 2010, 17:23

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Hi Dajjal!

Thanks for the kind words, I will still try on, I believe it is important. and the fact that many people read it and support like you are is enough for me.
Cheers.

PS
Can I ask what does it say in your signature? I see it is in Arabic?

The signature is the arabic version of my nick: Masih ad-Dajjal.

The Masih ad-Dajjal is to muslims what the Antichrist is to Christians. That's me

RodeLantaarn · 3 juni 2010, 17:25

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Ran out of tape?

Always those strange coincidences!

Cdude · 3 juni 2010, 17:29

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The signature is the arabic version of my nick: Masih ad-Dajjal.
The Masih ad-Dajjal is to muslims what the Antichrist is to Christians. That's me

Sounds more like "one eye in the land of the blind" to me

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Then I turned my face to see another man with a huge body, red complexion and curly hair and blind in one eye. His eye looked like a protruding out grape. They said (to me), He is Ad-Dajjal.' The Prophet added, 'The man he resembled most is Ibn Qatan, a man from the tribe of Khuza'a.'" (Translation of Bukhari ,book 88,volume 9,number 242)

Dom zijn ze niet die reli's hoor.
De "revelaties" van de Mormonen konden enkel door 1 gelezen worden hier lossen ze het zo op

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Ali was reported to have said: "His right eye will be punctured, and his left eye would be raised to his forehead and will be sparkling like a star. Only the believers will be able to read the word ‘Kufr’ [disbelief], inscribed in bold letters, on his forehead

3 juni 2010, 15:11	#106
Johan Bollen Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 11 januari 2008 Locatie: La Paz - Lanaken Berichten: 23.618	Israel's defenders mobilize, threaten

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Cdude Banneling Geregistreerd: 1 april 2010 Berichten: 14.352	Question for the Israelite : In a democracy , who is held responsible and is punished when they commit a crime. In Israel, who is punished and how when they commit a "crime".