De grote 9/11 topic

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Ja, puntje 4, ik heb U daar op attent gemaakt in mijn vorige post.

Nochtans zijn sommige zaken reeds lang voor bekendmaking via een patent in gebruik. Dat geldt zeker voor technologie die door/voor de overheid of miliraire instellingen ontworpen werd.

Natuurlijk worden deze toch na enige tijd gepatenteerd. $$$

de hoofdvragen ivm de explosieven-hypothese blijven toch onbeantwoord :

- Hoe konden die explosieven de inslag en brand in de WTC-torens overleven?
- Hoe konden die explosieven afgaan op een getimede manier die perfect overeenkwam met een gravitatie-driven ineenstorting vanaf de verdiepingen die beschadigd waren door de impact van de vliegtuigen?
- Waarom werden geen restanten van die explosieven gevonden? (noch restanten van de duizenden ontstekers en kilometers detonation cord die nodig zouden geweest zijn)
- Waarom werden geen lichtflitsen gezien, noch geluidsniveau's waargenomen die overeen komen met thermiet of andere explosieven?
- En last but not least : hoe kon men die vele tonnen! explosieven plaatsen die nodig waren gedurende maanden of jaren aan een stuk met tientallen mensen simultaan zonder dat het opviel?

En dat zijn nog maar de hoofdvragen.

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UN human rights official claims 9/11 was US plot...

A UN human rights official has been roundly condemned for suggesting that the US government may have orchestrated the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Richard Falk, a retired professor from Princeton University, wrote on his blog that there had been an "apparent cover up" by American authorities.
He added that most media were "unwilling to acknowledge the well-evidenced doubts about the official version of the events" on 9/11, despite it containing "gaps and contradictions".
And he described David Ray Griffin, a conspiracy theorist highly regarded in the so-called "9/11 truth" movement, as a "scholar of high integrity" whose book on the subject was "authoritative".
Ban Ki-Moon, the UN Secretary-General, described the comments as "preposterous" and "an affront to the memory of the more than 3,000 people who died in the attack." But Mr Ban said that it was not for him to decide whether Prof Falk, who serves the organisation as a special investigator into human rights abuses in the Palestinian territories, should be fired by the UN.
Vijay Nambiar, Mr Ban's chief of staff, said this was up to the human rights council, a 47-nation body based in Geneva, Switzerland, that was created by the UN in 2006.

Tja, dat mag niet he...
Meer:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...s-US-plot.html

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Uit de blog van Richard Falk

"There are, to be sure, conspiracies that promote unacknowledged goals, and enjoy the benefit of government protection. We don’t require WikiLeaks to remind us not to trust governments, even our own, and others that seem in most respects to be democratic and law-abiding. And we also by now should know that governments (ab)use their authority to treat awkward knowledge as a matter of state secrets, and criminalize those who are brave enough to believe that the citizenry needs to know the crimes that their government is committing with their trust and their tax dollars.


The arguments swirling around the 9/11 attacks are emblematic of these issues. What fuels suspicions of conspiracy is the reluctance to address the sort of awkward gaps and contradictions in the official explanations that David Ray Griffin(and other devoted scholars of high integrity) have been documenting in book after book ever since his authoritative The New Pearl Harbor in 2004 (updated in 2008). What may be more distressing than the apparent cover up is the eerie silence of the mainstream media, unwilling to acknowledge the well-evidenced doubts about the official version of the events: an al Qaeda operation with no foreknowledge by government officials. Is this silence a manifestation of fear or cooption, or part of an equally disturbing filter of self-censorship? Whatever it is, the result is the withering away of a participatory citizenry and the erosion of legitimate constitutional government. The forms persist, but the content is missing."


"John Scrivener
January 23, 2011 at 12:44 am #
UN Chief Urged to Fire Official for Promoting 9/11 Conspiracy Theory – http://www.unwatch.org

UN Watch, an independent Geneva-based watchdog organization, called on Ban Ki-moon to condemn the remarks of Richard Falk and demand his dismissal.

“Richard Falk, the UN Human Rights Council’s Special Rapporteur on Palestine, has just called into question the cause of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. We urge you to strongly condemn Mr. Falk’s offensive remarks and given that he has done this numerous times before, to immediately remove him from his post.”

Shocked by this report, I have just written to UN Watch to express my surprise and concern about the attempt by Executive Director of UN Watch, Hillel C. Neuer, to suppress and discourage discussion about the events of September 11, 2001.

In his letter to the UN Secretary-General, His Excellency Mr. Ban Ki-Moon, Mr Neuer demanded the dismissal of the U.N. Human Rights Council’s Special Rapporteur on Palestine, Richard Falk, simply because Falk has questioned the official account of the 9/11 events.

This demand by Mr Neuer illustrates a profound contempt for the right of freedom of opinion and expression, a right that has been codified in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.”

It seems clear to me that Mr Neuer has scant regard for the human rights of any who question the official account of September 11, 2001.

This contempt for the right of individuals to hold and express opinions contrary to official dogma, is widespread and enthusiastically encouraged by government officials and the media, especially in the West.

Attempts to curb free speech in relation to 9/11, such as this letter from Neuer, are not based on any sort of rational argument or empirical evidence, rather they are based solely on subjective opinions and political considerations.

I consider Neuer’s demand for the dismissal of Richard Falk to be attempt to censure and censor public debate about the events of 9/11. I can see no justification for this blatant abuse of basic human rights by the Executive Director of UN Watch.

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Richard Falk
January 23, 2011 at 7:43 am #
Thanks for this comment, which is of course persuasive on its face.

Actually, the UN Monitor is not concerned about 9/11 itself but is using my acknowledgment of uncertainty about the official version as a pretext to smear me because of my views critical of Israel.


De blog van Richard Falk
http://richardfalk.wordpress.com/201...safe-distance/

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Ik heb met thermiet gewerkt, meerdere varianten!

Het is hoe dan ook geen springstof . Waarom laat prof Jones niet gewoon zien hoe je een kolom met thermiet doorsnijdt?


Over het gesmolten metaal onder de puinhopen :

http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lie...eelcolumnsandb

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Men verwachtte de instortingen op basis van de conditie van de gebouwen:

FDNY Assistant Chief Joseph Callan: "Approximately 40 minutes after I arrived in the lobby, I made a decision that the building was no longer safe. And that was based on the conditions in the lobby, large pieces of plaster falling, all the 20 foot high glass panels on the exterior of the lobby were breaking. There was obvious movement of the building, and that was the reason on the handy talky I gave the order for all Fire Department units to leave the north tower."

Callan: "For me to make the decision to take our firefighters out of the building with civilians still in it, that was very tough for me, but I did that because I did not think the building was safe any longer, and that was just prior to 9:30."–Source

EMS Division Chief John Peruggia: "I was in a discussion with Mr. Rotanz and I believe it was a representative from the Department of Buildings, but I'm not sure. Some engineer type person, and several of us were huddled talking in the lobby and it was brought to my attention, it was believed that the structural damage that was suffered to the towers was quite significant and they were very confident that the building's stability was compromised and they felt that the north tower was in danger of a near imminent collapse.

I grabbed EMT Zarrillo, I advised him of that information. I told him he was to proceed immediately to the command post where Chief Ganci was located. Told him where it was across the street from number 1 World Trade Center. I told him "You see Chief Ganci and Chief Ganci only. Provide him with the information that the building integrity is severely compromised and they believe the building is in danger of imminent collapse." So, he left off in that direction."



NYPD Aviation Reports


FDNY firefighter Kevin Gorman:"Guys were giving us water, wet rags to put on our head, and we were standing there, and there was a cop I knew who came by and gave me a drink of water, and then as he was standing there, he said, "Aviation just reported that the north tower is leaning." I said, "Which way is it leaning?" He said, "This way." So we started to turn around walking. John Malley, who was right behind me, I turned around for him, because he was doing something, either putting his coat on or something, and as I was looking at him I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.
Q. About how long would you say it was from when the police officer told you it was leaning?
A. Within 30 seconds."


FDNY Firefighter Brendan Lowrey: "We started walking south to the command center when a Police Officer stopped us and said, "hold up, guys. I have helicopters --" he was on the cell phone "--on the cell phone here." And he says, "when this one comes down, it's coming right for us." Meaning coming up West Street.

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UN human rights official claims 9/11 was US plot...

A UN human rights official has been roundly condemned for suggesting that the US government may have orchestrated the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Richard Falk, a retired professor from Princeton University, wrote on his blog that there had been an "apparent cover up" by American authorities.
He added that most media were "unwilling to acknowledge the well-evidenced doubts about the official version of the events" on 9/11, despite it containing "gaps and contradictions".
And he described David Ray Griffin, a conspiracy theorist highly regarded in the so-called "9/11 truth" movement, as a "scholar of high integrity" whose book on the subject was "authoritative".
Ban Ki-Moon, the UN Secretary-General, described the comments as "preposterous" and "an affront to the memory of the more than 3,000 people who died in the attack." But Mr Ban said that it was not for him to decide whether Prof Falk, who serves the organisation as a special investigator into human rights abuses in the Palestinian territories, should be fired by the UN.
Vijay Nambiar, Mr Ban's chief of staff, said this was up to the human rights council, a 47-nation body based in Geneva, Switzerland, that was created by the UN in 2006.

Tja, dat mag niet he...
Meer:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...s-US-plot.html

Opnieuw iemand die beweringen maakt zonder ze hard te maken...jammer maar niet onverwacht na de zoveelste keer natuurlijk.

[Micele]

http://www.journalof911studies.com/index.html

[Dixie]

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Opnieuw iemand die beweringen maakt zonder ze hard te maken...jammer maar niet onverwacht na de zoveelste keer natuurlijk.

personen met een waanidee horen niet thuis in de VN!

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http://www.journalof911studies.com/index.html

Weer dezelfde club luitjes. En door wie zijn de stukken gepeerreviewed ?

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Een kleine greep uit het peer-reviewed werk van wetenschappers/deskundigen in de relevante materie:

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation. Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C., JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.



Dissecting the Collapses Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.


A suggested cause of the fire-induced collapse of the World Trade Towers. By: Quintiere, J.G.; di Marzo, M.; Becker, R.. Fire Safety Journal, Oct2002, Vol. 37 Issue 7, p707, 10p.



S. W. Banovic, T. Foecke, W.E. Luecke, et al. “The role of metallurgy in the NIST investigation of the World Trade Center towers collapse”, JOM, vol. 59, no. 11, pp. 22-29, November 2007.



Impact of the Boeing 767 Aircraft into the World Trade Center. By: Karim, Mohammed R.; Fatt, Michelle S. Hoo. Journal of Engineering Mechanics, Oct2005, Vol. 131 Issue 10, p1066-1072.

Could the world trade center have been modified to prevent its collapse?; Newland, D. E.; Cebon, D. Journal of Engineering Mechanics; 2002 Vol. 128 Issue 7, p795-800, 6p.

"Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers" Clifton, Charles G., HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.

How the airplane wing cut through the exterior columns of the World Trade Center; Wierzbicki, T.; Teng, X. International Journal of Impact Engineering; 2003 Vol. 28, p601-625, 25p

Stability of the World Trade Center Twin Towers Structural Frame in Multiple Floor Fires. By: Usmani, A. S.. Journal of Engineering Mechanics, Jun2005, Vol. 131 Issue 6, p654-657.

Structural Responses of World Trade Center under Aircraft Attacks. Omika, Yukihiro.; Fukuzawa, Eiji.; Koshika, Norihide. Journal of Structural Engineering v. 131 no1 (January 2005) p. 6-15

The Structural Steel of the World Trade Center Towers. Gayle, Frank W.; Banovic, Stephen W.; Foecke, Tim. Advanced Materials & Processes v. 162 no10 (October 2004) p. 37-9

WTC Findings Uphold Structural Design. Post, Nadine M. ENR v. 253 no17 (November 1 2004) p. 10-11

"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations" Monahan, B., Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.


Ming Wang, Peter Chang, James Quintiere, and Andre Marshall "Scale Modeling of the 96th Floor of World Trade Center Tower 1" Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities Volume 21, Issue 6, pp. 414-421



Engineering Conference Papers

"TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering" Marechaux, T.G. JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.



Abboud, N., M. Levy, D. Tennant, J. Mould, H. Levine, S. King, C. Ekwueme, A. Jain, G. Hart. (2003) Anatomy of a Disaster: A Structural Investigation of the World Trade Center Collapses. In: Proceedings of the Third Congress on Forensic Engineering. San Diego: American Society of Civil Engineers. pp 360-370

Beyler, C., D. White, M. Peatross, J. Trellis, S. Li, A. Luers, D. Hopkins. (2003) Analysis of the Thermal Exposure in the Impact Areas of the World Trade Center Terrorist Attacks. In: Proceedings of the Third Congress on Forensic Engineering. San Diego: American Society of Civil Engineers. pp 371-382

Thater, G. G.; Panariello, G. F.; Cuoco, D. A. (2003) World Trade Center Disaster: Damage/Debris Assessment In: Proceedings of the Third Congress on Forensic Engineering. San Diego: American Society of Civil Engineers. pp 383-392

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http://www.journalof911studies.com/index.html

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Ik heb met thermiet gewerkt, meerdere varianten!
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Maar daar was geen potassium permanganate (KMnO4) and/or potassium ferrate (K2FeO4) bij betrokken noch de werkwijze zoals in het patent beschreven.

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Wat er allemaal verteld wordt is tot daar aan toe. Maar het doodsimpele feit dat wanneer een bekend soldaat i.c.sneuvelt door eigen vuur (klootzakkerij) er direct de meest schunnige pogingen inn het werk worden gesteld dat feit te verbergen of te verdoezelen. Een pak met leugens, list en bedrog om een stukje ordinair klungeligheid te verbergen.
Lees het verhaal van Pat Tillman en je weet direct hoe hopeloos ziek de VS overheid is.

Dus: een calamiteit als 9/11 en ze zullen ALLES in het werk stellen de waarheid te verbuigen - ALLES!

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Maar daar was geen potassium permanganate (KMnO4) and/or potassium ferrate (K2FeO4) bij betrokken noch de werkwijze zoals in het patent beschreven.

Kaliumpermagnaat zorgt voor een snellere reactie die de totale hoeveelheid hitte die het mengsel ontwikkelt naar beneden haalt. Beide stoffen die je noemt zijn geen high explosives.

Vraag: zijn de kolommen nu doorgesmolten volgens Jones of zijn ze door explosies doorgesneden?

En waarom ligt bij jullie de focus op het werk van één wetenschapper die buiten zijn vakgebied te werk gaat en negeren jullie alle andere onderzoeken die wereldwijd zijn gedaan ??

Jones is niet de enige die het stof onderzocht heeft !!

OSHA SAMPLING RESULTS SUMMARY AS OF 10/08/2002 (Asbestos / Carbon Monoxide / Noise / Total Dust (PNOR) / Respirable Silica / Organic Compounds / Dioxins / Polynuclear Aromatic Hydrocarbons / Freon R-22, Hydrogen Fluoride & Phosgene / Inorganic Acids / Oxides of Nitrogen/Sulfur / Metals / Mercury / Ionizing Radiation)
NYC DEP Air monitoring in lower Manhattan
NYC Dept. of Health Final Report on Air and Dust Sampling in Lower Manhattan (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, Executive Summary (PDF, 132 pages)
USGS, Gregory Meeker: Determination of a Diagnostic Signature for World Trade Center Dust using Scanning Electron Microscopy Point Counting Techniques
ScienceDaily: World Trade Center Dust Analysis Offers Good News For New Yorkers
Environmental Health Perspectives: Barium levels normal in WTC dust/aerosols
Toxic Legacy of September 11 (NYT Anthony DePalma Video)
Chemical stew filled the air in 2001
A Toxic Legacy Lingers as Cleanup Efforts Fall Short
Medical Views of 9/11’s Dust Show Big Gaps (NYT Oct 24, 2006)
Paul Lloy: Lessons Learned from WTC Environmental testing

Environmental Safety & Health at Ground Zero (ASSE)

Chemical Studies of 9/11 Disaster Tell Complex Tale of 'Bad Stuff' by Robert F. Service, cience 19 September 2003: Vol. 301. no. 5640, p. 1649

DNA Damage from Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons Measured by Benzo[a]pyrene-DNA Adducts in Mothers and Newborns from Northern Manhattan, The World Trade Center Area, Poland, and China. F. Perera, D. Tang, R. Whyatt, S. A. Lederman, and W. Jedrychowski (2005)
Damage Assessment. 130 Liberty Street Property. Report Date: December 2003. WTC Dust Signature Report. Composition and Morphology.
Air Levels of carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons after the World Trade Center disaster.
CHEMICAL ANALYSIS OF A DISASTER Chemical & Engineering News , Volume 81, Number 42

"The Bag" Five years later, Thomas Cahill tests the dust from a shoulder bag carried by Eric Gillin, who fled the south tower collapse.

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Is deze draad dood?

[Micele]

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Is deze draad dood?

Ik hoop het.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f_hP...layer_embedded

[Dixie]

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Is deze draad dood?

de 'truth' movement hun onzin is helemaal doorprikt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0

[Micele]

mmmmmh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f_hP...layer_embedded

[Dixie]

de truthers hun plaat blijft hangen

[Micele]

Pikt hé.