De grote 9/11 topic

[Micele]

Ik vraag me luid af hoe dat het mogelijk is dat het 9/11 Commission Report nog altijd online staat, alhoewel er toegegeven leugens in staan, en dit al 5 jaar. (zelfs in 'historycommons' wordt dit niet rechtgezet... )
http://www.historycommons.org/contex...#a920olsoncall en http://www.historycommons.org/contex...16saralowcalls )

Namelijk de leugens van - een ´gouvernmentvriendje van Bush´ - Theodore (Ted) Olson (Solicitor General at the Justice Department !) bvb, die zei (allez volgens het 9/11 rapport) dat zijn vrouw Barbara Olson nog vanuit de AA77 met hem 2 maal een telefoongespek gevoerd heeft en de terroristen -met messen - beschreef... en hij op zijn beurt zijn vrouw ook informeerde dat er al 2 kapingen waren en twee crashes... enz...

Feit is dat in de rechtszaak US vs Zacarias Moussaoui in 2006, er na grondig onderzoek maar 1 UNCONNECTED phone call was, dus die helemaal niet doorkwam ! Onder eed door de FBI bevestigd !

The fact is Barbara Olson made one phone call from flight #77 at 09:18:58.

IT WAS AN UNCONNECTED CALL ACCORDING TO SWORN TESTIMONY BY THE FBI IN THE United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006.

officiële bronnen/links/downloads onderaan.

Lees eens goed hoe de hoogste federale jurist-ambtenaar (die de USA-regering vertegenwoordigd voor het hoogste gerecht) kan liegen ! En zoiets is nog altijd te vinden in het officieel rapport.

The United States Solicitor General is the person appointed to represent the federal government of the United States before the Supreme Court of the United States.

Dit is ongeveer een halve blz beschreven op page 9 van het Commission Report: (ik citeer een stukje uit die "roman" )

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
Hoofdstuk : " We have some planes "
The Hijacking of American 77 page 8
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page 9
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At some point between 9:16 and 9:26, Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, the solicitor general of the United States. She reported that the flight had been hijacked, and the hijackers had knives and boxcutters. She further indicate that the hijackers were not aware of her phone call, and that they had put all the passengers in the back of the plane. About a minute into the conversation, the call was cutt-off.
Solicitor General tried unsuccesfully to reach Attorny General John Ashcroft. (57)

Shortly after the first call, Barbara Olson reached her husband again. She reported that the pilot had announced, that the flight had been hijacked, and she asked her husband what she should tell the captain to do. Ted Olson asked for her location and she replied that the aircraft was then flying over houses. Another passenger told her they were travelling northeast. The Solicitor General then informed his wife from the two previous hijacking and crashes. She did not display signs of panic and did not any awareness of an inpending crash. At that point, the second call was cutt off. (58)

http://www.zimbio.com/Ted+Olson/arti...rias+Moussaoui

Dec-21-09 11:15 pm

Flight 77 United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui, Exhibit Number P200054

This rejection of Ted Olson’s story by American Airlines, the Pentagon, and especially the FBI is a development of utmost importance. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.17 In either case, the official story about the calls from Barbara Olson was based on deception. And if that part of the official account of 9/11 was based on deception, should we not suspect that other parts were as well?
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Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington.

The fact is Barbara Olson made one phone call from flight #77 at 09:18:58.

IT WAS AN UNCONNECTED CALL ACCORDING TO SWORN TESTIMONY BY THE FBI IN THE United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui trial in 2006.

The link to the FBI Prosecution Trial Exhibits Exhibit Number P200054 .

Summary of Flight 77 depicting: the identity of pilots and flight attendants, seat assignments of passengers, and telephone calls from the flight This exhibit also includes information about the other three flights hijacked on September 11.

Summary of Flight 77 telephone calls :
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notable...s/P200054.html

Download FBI exhibit (zip-file in link)

This is solid evidence Ted Olson lied. The FBI says no calls ever connected. Olson says he talked with his wife. Without the alleged calls from Barbara Olson, there is no evidence that Flight 77 returned to Washington. The FAA said flight 77 disappeared from the radar. It seems something very strange happened to flight 77 but what? What is even more strange is the government has not prosecuted olsen for perjury. Also the government proclaimed what olsen said his wife told him but denies his wife ever talked to him!!!!

(1) FAA says fight 77 disappeared from the radar.

(2) No evidence flight 77 retured to Washington.

(3) No evidence Hijackers used box cutters

(4) No evidence olson talked to his wife.

Ted Olson’s report was very important. It provided the only evidence that American 77, which was said to have struck the Pentagon, had still been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM (there had been reports, after this disappearance, that an airliner had crashed on the Ohio-Kentucky border). Also, Barbara Olson had been a very well-known commentator on CNN. The report that she died in a plane that had been hijacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the nation’s support for the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” Ted Olson’s report was important in still another way, being the sole source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters.
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A plane hit the pentagon no doubt. Was it flight #77? Ted olson's story is a lie. Why?
Why has the government contridicted itself? Something is very wrong.
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Ted olson was the solicitor general. The task of the Office of the Solicitor General is to supervise and conduct government litigation in the United States Supreme Court.

Don't tell me this man can't remember what his wife said in a phone call from an airplane.

Don't tell me this man just made a mistake. His "mistake" or bold face lie was used as a basis for legislation to prevent hijacking planes. His testimony to the FBI never happened. So the legislation the government carved out was based on a phone call that never happened. Of course all the homeland security bills were not based on olsons phone calls. Why has this dog been left to die? Why is the US government saying olson lied?
Why is the US government lying but not investigation olson? The government continues to say what olson told them about what happened on flight #77. But this never happened. It can't be confirmed. There were never any connected phone calls. Amazing isn't it.

Read the story for yourself here


My point is the US government lies. You can't believe the US government all the time. Don't believe all the government tells you. Check what the government tells you out. Verify what the government says. I did. I found the US Government is saying two different things. It is saying olson is a liar and it is saying what he originally told them happened on flight #77. The FBI says the phone calls never connected.

Flight 77 Passengers

Truly a bizarre passenger list of flight #77

Well, if you look at the occupations of the passengers of Flight 77, you get a strange feeling that something is wrong with this picture:

For a random collection of passengers, this is a very impressive manifest. We use the results of Killtown's work on the passenger list, which was drawn from the canonical sources of 9/11 victims biographical information on the Internet: the numbers in square brackets are the numbers in Killtown's listing .

* a senior scientist with the US Navy, retired Army. [12] A third-generation physicist whose work at the Navy was so classified that his family knew very little about what he did each day. They don't even know exactly why he was headed to Los Angeles on the doomed American Airlines Flight 77.
* a Boeing engineer in Integrated Defense Systems; he served in the US Air Force for four years, and for the National Security Agency for 14 years. [36]
* a director of program management at Raytheon, US Army (ret.) [28] who helped develop and build anti-radar technology for electronic warfare. Raytheon's website notes that they are leaders in every phase of the Precision Strike kill chain; are the world's leading organization at Missile Defense; provides state-of-the-art technology to detect, protect and respond to terrorism and provide Homeland Defense; and that their technology forms the eyes, ears and brains of Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance systems, from the Predator to the Global Hawk.
* a retired naval aviator who worked for Veridian Corp., a defense contractor, who was working with military aircraft and weapons systems [56] A Navy test pilot who worked on the development of the F18. "He had done a number of black programs -- which means top-secret," said his son. "We were given no details."
* an electrical engineer with defense contractor BAE Systems. [41] largest technical support supplier to the US Navy. BAE Systems is an industry leader in flight control systems, which are present on nearly every US military aircraft. BAE electronic warfare systems such as their jamming system are vital to the US Navy operations.
* 2 Boeing propulsion engineers: a lead Propulsion Engineer and a Project Manager with Boeing Satellite Systems, [32] and a lead engineer for Boeing Satellite Systems. [40]
* a software architect with Lockheed Martin Corp., US Army (ret.). [42] A manager in the systems and software architecture department.
* a Vice President for software development, EMSolutions and retired Lieutenant Commander, Navy. [18] He spent 20 years in the US Navy, where he developed high capacity signal processors, multi-processor application software and innovative signal processing algorithms. EMSolutions maintains a facility security clearance, and has contracts with Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO) and BAE Systems.
* a technical group manager at Xon Tech, a defense-related research and development firm [46] He previously worked as an engineer at the Naval Research Lab. Also a technical manager of Xon Tech [53].
* a retired Navy Rear Admiral, former Navy pilot, and retired American Airlines pilot. [24]
* a senior executive at the Defense Department. [29] A budget analyst/director of the programming and fiscal economics division who worked at the Pentagon.
* a former Navy electronics technician worked as a Department of Defense contractor with Vrendenburg Co. in Washington [57]
* managing partner and co-founder of Stratin Consulting. and retired Marine Corps Lieutenant and Vietnam War veteran [26]
* a lawyer who had worked with the Navy Judge Advocate General's Corps. [49]
* and of course, there was Barbara Olson, attorney, CNN Commentator and wife of the United States Solicitor General. [39]

The odds against this being a random group of 53 American Airlines passengers are simply astronomical! There are more top secret security clearances here than in most medium-sized cities in America.

Especially astounding in this bizarre passenger list is the preponderance of Navy personnel amongst the 4 armed services, and the tilt toward propulsion and guidance systems amongst all of the possible secret technologies. It's almost as if someone put this list together thinking that Navy personnel were expendable - or needed to be expended.

This looks like a charter flight for the military-industrial complex; it's almost as if this plane should have taken off from the Pentagon, rather than supposedly crashing into it.

Veel leugenplezier, en van wie !

[Micele]

vervolg: aja, betreft "vriend" van Bush... niets slecht over die man in wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Olson

Olson successfully represented presidential candidate George W. Bush in the Supreme Court case Bush v. Gore, which effectively ended the recount of the contested 2000 Presidential election.

Olson was nominated for the office of Solicitor General by President Bush on February 14, 2001, was confirmed by the United States Senate on May 24, 2001, and took office on June 11, 2001. In July 2004, Olson retired as Solicitor General and returned to private practice at the Washington office of Gibson Dunn.

[Gun]

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Ik vraag me luid af hoe dat het mogelijk is dat het 9/11 Commission Report nog altijd online staat, alhoewel er toegegeven leugens in staan, en dit al 5 jaar. (zelfs in 'historycommons' wordt dit niet rechtgezet... )

Tja ... hoofd van CIA Schneider geeft aantal weken ná 9-11 toe dat er sprake is van paspoortdiefstallen ... maar de 21 fotot's blijven op alle (officiële) websites staan ...

[Micele]

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Tja ... hoofd van CIA Schneider geeft aantal weken ná 9-11 toe dat er sprake is van paspoortdiefstallen ... maar de 21 fotot's blijven op alle (officiële) websites staan ...

En dat zonder bewijs van "de kapers".

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Tja ... hoofd van CIA Schneider geeft aantal weken ná 9-11 toe dat er sprake is van paspoortdiefstallen ... maar de 21 fotot's blijven op alle (officiële) websites staan ...

En wat wil u daar mee zeggen?

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

En wat wil u daar mee zeggen?

Meen jij dit?

By the way, 't was ni Schneider maar Mueller en ni CIA maar FBI ...

Meen jij dit?

[Micele]

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By the way, 't was ni Schneider maar Mueller en ni CIA maar FBI ...

Idd, rap gevonden:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_deni...terrorists.htm
Posted June 11, 2003
By Timothy W. Maier

Nearly 48 hours after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the names of the hijackers flashed across TV screens for the world to see. Based on intelligence information gained from interviews, witnesses, flight-manifest logs and passports found at some of the crash debris sites, the FBI claimed it correctly had identified all 18 hijackers. A short time later the number was amended to 19. A few days later the names were followed with photos of the men blamed for the terrorism that claimed nearly 3,000 lives in New York City, Washington and Pennsylvania. Incredibly fast intelligence work - some of the information coming from the National Ground Intelligence Center in Charlottesville, Va. - enabled investigators to tie the attack to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network.

While there is no doubt the hijackings were the work of al-Qaeda, questions remain about whether some of the hijackers actually were the men the FBI identified. Last year that doubt crept into the highest levels of law enforcement after a series of sensational news reports aired by the BBC, ABC and CNN, along with several British newspapers, cast suspicion on whether the FBI got it right. The reports suggested at least six of the men the FBI claimed were hijackers on the planes were in fact alive. They didn't survive the crashes, of course, but never boarded the planes.

The six claimed they were victims of identify theft. They were "outraged" to be identified as terrorists, they told the Telegraph of London. In fact, one of the men claimed he never had been to the United States, while another is a Saudi Airlines pilot who said he was in a flight-training course in Tunisia at the time of the attacks.

The stunning news prompted FBI Director Robert Mueller to admit that some of the hijackers may have stolen identities of innocent citizens. In September 2002 ? ? , Mueller told CNN twice that there is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers." After that admission a strange thing happened - nothing. No follow-up stories. No follow-up questions. There was dead silence and the story disappeared. It was almost as if no one wanted to know what had happened. In fact, the FBI didn't bother to change the names, backgrounds or photographs of the alleged 19 hijackers. It didn't even deny the news reports suggesting that the names and identities of at least six of the hijackers may be unknown. Mueller just left the door open.

Until now. Now the FBI is sticking with its original story - regardless of whether photographs displayed of the suspected Sept. 11 terrorists were of people who never boarded those planes and are very much alive. FBI spokesman Bill Carter simply brushes off as false the charges from news reports that the FBI misidentified some of the Sept. 11 terrorists. Carter says they got the names right and it doesn't matter whether the identities were stolen. This comes as a complete about-face from Mueller's comment that there might be some question about the names of the Sept. 11 terrorists because they might have been operating under stolen identities.

What does the FBI director think now? Mueller no longer is commenting on the charges. However, Carter insists the FBI got it right. End of story.

"There has been no change in thought about the identities of those who boarded those planes," Carter tells Insight. "It's like saying my name is John Smith. There are a lot of people with the name of John Smith, but they're not the same person."

What about Mueller's comments last year? "He might have told Congress [about the identity theft], but we have done a thorough investigation and we are confident," Carter says.
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En een tijdje later is het kronkel kronkel
Comme toujours. Wie immer. Gelijk gewoonlijk.

De juiste datum van de uitspraken van Robert Mueller voor CNN is de quote van October 18th 2001 (www.robert-fisk.com) , dus 20 en 27 september 2001 !

Of course we can’t prove that Mueller really believed that, however the point is clear. The first quote took place soon after the attacks, not in 2002; the questions were quickly resolved so it's long out of date; and people or sites who still use it, without mentioning what happened next, are not telling the whole story.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/FB...ker_identities

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Meen jij dit?

Zeer zeker , formuleert u maar eens een degelijke stelling, en niet alleen
suggestieve losse flodders.

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Idd, rap gevonden:

En een tijdje later is het kronkel kronkel
Comme toujours. Wie immer. Gelijk gewoonlijk.

De juiste datum van de uitspraken van Robert Mueller voor CNN is de quote van October 18th 2001 (www.robert-fisk.com) , dus 20 en 27 september 2001 !

Of course we can’t prove that Mueller really believed that, however the point is clear. The first quote took place soon after the attacks, not in 2002; the questions were quickly resolved so it's long out of date; and people or sites who still use it, without mentioning what happened next, are not telling the whole story.

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Ted Olson’s report was very important. It provided the only evidence that American 77, which was said to have struck the Pentagon, had still been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM (there had been reports, after this disappearance, that an airliner had crashed on the Ohio-Kentucky border). Also, Barbara Olson had been a very well-known commentator on CNN. The report that she died in a plane that had been hijacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the nation’s support for the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” Ted Olson’s report was important in still another way, being the sole source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters.

Type gewoon de naam Ted Olson in bij google en je krijgt grote hoeveelheden van dit soort crap te zien. Die verklaring was helemaal geen belangrijk bewijsstuk. Dit wordt gewoon weer gebruikt omdat er een schijnbare tegenstelling in zit.

[TheMatrixDestroyer]

bron

[Gun]

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Zeer zeker , formuleert u maar eens een degelijke stelling, en niet alleen
suggestieve losse flodders.

Dit is toch je reinste onzin ... waar men zich mee moet bezig houden ...

Stel ... Dixie steelt jouw paspoort ...
Stel ... er wordt in de US een vliegtuig gekaapt en door de CIA op één of andere manier geïdentificeerd wie de dader is ...

Het vliegtuig wordt, eens geland, opgeblazen en de helft van de passagier komt om het leven

De dader (Dixie) blijkt bij de check in jouw paspoort bij zich te dragen maar weet na de kaping te ontvluchten ...

Jouw foto wordt internationaal verspreid als de dader van de kaping ...

De big Chief van de CIA meldt na een aantal dagen dat er sprake is van paspoort diefstal om de schuld van de aanslag in iemand anders voeten te schuiven, m.a.w. jij bent niet de dader

Jij denk, nogal wiedes, want ik ben ik en mijn paspoort is gestolen door Dixie

9 jaar later echter, wordt jij internationaal nog steeds beschouwd als de dader ... want overal wordt jouw foto nog gebruikt wanneer het over de aanslag gaat ...

Logisch lijkt mij

[Marxmannetje]

De grote 9/11 topic

It was an inside joke!

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

Dit is toch je reinste onzin ... waar men zich mee moet bezig houden ...

Stel ... Dixie steelt jouw paspoort ...
Stel ... er wordt in de US een vliegtuig gekaapt en door de CIA op één of andere manier geïdentificeerd wie de dader is ...

Het vliegtuig wordt, eens geland, opgeblazen en de helft van de passagier komt om het leven

De dader (Dixie) blijkt bij de check in jouw paspoort bij zich te dragen maar weet na de kaping te ontvluchten ...

Jouw foto wordt internationaal verspreid als de dader van de kaping ...

De big Chief van de CIA meldt na een aantal dagen dat er sprake is van paspoort diefstal om de schuld van de aanslag in iemand anders voeten te schuiven, m.a.w. jij bent niet de dader

Jij denk, nogal wiedes, want ik ben ik en mijn paspoort is gestolen door Dixie

9 jaar later echter, wordt jij internationaal nog steeds beschouwd als de dader ... want overal wordt jouw foto nog gebruikt wanneer het over de aanslag gaat ...

Logisch lijkt mij

Indien uw informatie correct en volledig is zou dit vreemd zijn.
Maar wat hebben we aan die informatie ? wat vertelt het ons ?

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door TheMatrixDestroyer

bron

Hoezo ? Daar staat niets van roken op een vliegtuig in.

Ik denk zeker dat dit de bron is:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ng-plane-scare
Qatari diplomat 'smoking' causes US plane scare

• F-16s scrambled after diplomat apparently lit up in toilet
• Man said to have joked that he was trying to light his shoes

A Qatari diplomat was arrested after it was reported he tried to sneak a cigarette in the toilet of a United Airlines flight from Washington to Denver.

Photograph: John Moore/Getty Images

Two F-16 fighter jets were scrambled after a passenger apparently trying to sneak a smoke in an aircraft toilet sparked a massive security scare over the US last night.

Air marshals on board a Boeing 757 seized a Qatari diplomat who was questioned by security officials for hours after the incident. Investigators were told the man was asked about the smell of the smoke and joked he had been trying to light his shoes – an apparent reference to the 2001 shoe bomber Richard Reid.

No explosives were found on the plane and officials speaking on condition of anonymity said they did not think the man intended to hurt anyone and would not be charged with a criminal offence. But authorities declined to reveal where he was now.

The diplomat, unofficially identified as Muhammed al-Madadi, was led off the plane in handcuffs from the first-class area after the plane had taxied to a stop. Passengers had to stay on the plane for an hour before they were taken off for questioning, leaving behind their carry-on bags. There were 157 passengers and six crew members on the United Airlines flight from Washington to Denver.

Passenger Mei Turcotte, 26, of Kalispell, Montana, smelled smoke about an hour into the flight. She said she later looked out the window and saw two jets flying alongside the plane. "I'm in the sky a lot, and I was thinking that might not be so normal," she said. She was angry about being held for questioning over something so minor. "He went quietly. There was not a scene," Turcotte said. "They made this into something that was ridiculous."
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1 binnenlandse vlucht die scrambled én onderschept wordt door 2 F16´s wegens roken op de W.C. ! Kan natuurlijk een rookbom zijn.

Is natuurlijk veel erger (ironisch) als 4 gekaapte vliegtuigen die men na meer als honderd minuten reactietijd nog niet kon onderscheppen. Tussen 8h13 - 8h20 was er:
1. geen opvolging radioinstructies op verandering van hoogte - AA11 moest stijgen!
ttz evtl gevaar op mid-air collision !; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-air_collision http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_v...en_in_der_Luft
2. transponder uitgezet; > tenminste verwittigen FAA supervisor/ of Militairy liason-officer !
3. zeer sterke afwijking van richting - richting New-York (bron : 9/11 comm. report - , dus NOODGEVAL !!!! HIT the ADC button !!!

Alhoewel het routine is en FAA/NORAD procedure is binnen de 8 minuten opgestegen te zijn (airborne), en binnen 20 minuten het vliegtuig - zeker aan de Oostkust - onderschept te hebben, eigenlijk 15´ ( zie 15-minute alert).

De F15´s konden in ca. 6 minuten van Otis AFB naar New-York, slechts 153 miles, vliegen, en dan vliegen ze aan gemiddeld 1530 mph, hun top bedraagt 1875 mph (officieel).
Nemen we nog aan in 8 minuten, ook nog ruim genoeg om AA11 te onderscheppen als... alles routinematig verloopt:
het begint bij de FAA-aircontroller:

We have, two feet away from us, a little button that says ADC, Air Defense Command [nowadays NEADS (Northeast Air Defense Sector)]. Bing, hit the button. ‘Hey, this is me at the Boston Center air space. I just lost a target or I have an erratic target. He is twenty-five miles west of Keene, last reported at such-and-such location.’”

cached links omdat ze 9 �* 10 jaar oud zijn:

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/pl.../020812ap.html
At a NORAD operations center in Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado Springs, Colo., a noncommissioned officer listens to conversations on the FAA network from all over the United States, said Maj. Douglas Martin, NORAD spokesman.

"If he hears anything that indicates difficulty in the skies, we begin the staff work to scramble," Martin said. Before Sept. 11, the FAA had to telephone NORAD about any possible hijackings.

From Sept. 11 to June, NORAD scrambled jets or diverted combat air patrols 462 times, almost seven times as often as the 67 scrambles from September 2000 to June 2001, Martin said.
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Federal Aviation Administration: http://www.faa.gov/
North American Aerospace Defense Command: http://www.norad.mil/
Keywords: U.S. Domestic
© The Associated Press
LESLIE MILLER; Associated Press Writer
Military now notified immediately of unusual air traffic events, 08-12-2002

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/pl..._scrables.html

Norad on Heightened Alert: Role of air defence agency rapidly transformed in wake of Sept. 11 terrorist attacks
by Linda Slobodian
The Calgary Herald
October 13, 2001
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Ironically, Norad was doing its job: peering 300 kilometres out into the Air Defence Identification Zone encircling North America. Its task: to help assess, within two minutes, if each of the 7,000 incoming aircraft every day is friend or foe.

It was scanning space for something as tiny as a fleck of paint which at nearly 58,000 km/h can damage a shuttle.

It was on alert for intercontinental ballistic missiles which, if fired from rogue nations such as North Korea, will strike North America in 23 minutes.

Norad's 1,100 army, navy, marine and air force personnel -- 12 per cent of them Canadian -- were neither expecting, nor trained, to deal with manned missiles launched out of Boston.

When the second plane hit the other World Trade Center tower, Norad swiftly shifted its attention to help prevent possible further attacks.

Norad was instrumental in getting fighter jets -- normally on 15-minute alert -- airborne within eight minutes.

About 2,400 commercial flights in U.S. skies at the time -- and thousands more incoming flights and private planes -- were quickly diverted and grounded.

"I am convinced we saved lives after with the actions that were taken -- including the grounding of the other traffic and other events that have occurred since the 11th," says Canadian air force Maj. Pierre Berube.

He was commander on duty Sept. 11 in the Air Warning Centre -- since renamed the Battle Management Centre -- at Norad headquarters in Colorado Springs, Colo.

U.S. navy Lieut. Derek Paul, an air battle management officer who assesses and passes data up the chain of command, admits satisfaction in knowing Norad likely "saved lives."

Prior to Sept. 11, only the president or prime minister had authority to order a hijacked commercial aircraft on a suicide mission to be shot down.
(dus NIET om te scramblen !)...
Today, any aircraft with radio problems is suspect, no problem routine. Fighter jets are scrambled to babysit suspect aircraft or "unknowns" three or four times a day. Before Sept. 11, that happened twice a week.

Copyright 2001 CanWest Interactive, a division of CanWest Global Communications Corp.

* Bron uit eerste hand (ATCer Boston):

http://www.communitycurrency.org/robin.html
“I was a certified ATC in Boston west-bound departures, the routing that AA11 and UA175 followed on 9/11. I know it like the back of my hand.”

“I’m sorry but American 11 should have been intercepted over southwest Connecticut—bang, done deal.”

The vast majority of air incidents are simple communications or routing failures, common mishaps that are easily remedied. Nonetheless, when a problem does arise, it is treated as an emergency and interceptors are scrambled.

“This is exactly what’s written in our manuals. We alert our immediate supervisors, we get another set of eyes on the scope. We have, two feet away from us, a little button that says ADC, Air Defense Command [nowadays NEADS (Northeast Air Defense Sector)]. Bing, hit the button. ‘Hey, this is me at the Boston Center air space. I just lost a target or I have an erratic target. He is twenty-five miles west of Keene, last reported at such-and-such location.’”

8:13
Die letzte Routine-Kommunikation zwischen Bodenkontrolle und dem Flug AA 11. Der Pilot reagiert auf die Aufforderung, das Flugzeug nach rechts zu lenken. Der Aufforderung zu steigen, direkt danach gesendet, kommt der Pilot nicht mehr nach.
Um diese Zeit wird Flug AA 11 entführt. Ein Fluglotse gibt an, das Flugzeug wurde über Gardner (Massachusetts), ungefähr 50 Meilen westlich von Boston entführt. Die Erstürmung der Pilotenkanzel findet nicht vor 8:21 statt. Das Eindringen der Entführer scheint die Piloten so zu überraschen, dass sie keinen Notruf absenden.
NORAD gibt später an, erst 27 Minuten später, also um 8:40, informiert worden zu sein , obwohl dies von einem Mitarbeiter von NORAD bestritten wird.

8:20 Flug AA 11 hört auf, sein Transponder-Signal (Squawk) zu senden und weicht sehr stark vom Kurs ab. Nach FAA-Vorschriften wird ein Abweichen von mehr als zwei Meilen als Notfall betrachtet. Der Bostoner Tower geht davon aus, dass Flug AA 11 entführt wurde. Andere Flugkontrollzentren werden fünf Minuten, NORAD erst 20 Minuten später informiert.
Kurze Zeit später wurde durch einen Anruf der Stewardess Madeline Amy Sweeney bei der Bodenkontrolle bestätigt, dass es sich um eine Entführung handelte.
Flug AA 77 hebt vom Washington Dulles International Airport nahe Washington, D.C. mit 10 Minuten Verspätung mit Ziel Los Angeles ab.
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10:03 Der United-Airlines-Flug 93 (United 93, eine Boeing 757) stürzt südöstlich von Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania im Bezirk Somerset ab. Die ersten Berichte der Polizei lassen vermuten, dass niemand an Bord überlebt hat.

Bron : refertes via D-wiki.

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

Zeer zeker , formuleert u maar eens een degelijke stelling, en niet alleen
suggestieve losse flodders.

al bijna 10 jaar losse flodders what's new?

[Micele]

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Wow. nog 43 te gaan en de 2000 is geknakt, in één topic.

[Gun]

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Indien uw informatie correct en volledig is zou dit vreemd zijn.
Maar wat hebben we aan die informatie ? wat vertelt het ons ?

Dat de VERKEERDE namen naar voor worden geschoven ...

[Gun]

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Wow. nog 43 te gaan en de 2000 is geknakt, in één topic.

En vooral ... kwantiteit boven kwaliteit ...

[illwill]

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Tja ... hoofd van CIA Schneider geeft aantal weken ná 9-11 toe dat er sprake is van paspoortdiefstallen ... maar de 21 fotot's blijven op alle (officiële) websites staan ...

Graag deze verklaring dan ook te geven.
Ik veronderstel dat deze verklaring voor de camera is gebeurt...of dat deze officiele verklaring dan ook op een officiele bron te vinden is?