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Wereldwijde 9/11 alarm voor Amerikaanse reizigers, laat de hype beginnen... Het zal geldig blijven tot 2/1/2012.




Is al-Qaida dan geen bondgenoot ?

De VS is niet alleen psychiatrisch ziek maar tevens schizoïde .....

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"within its footprint"??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf7Z_I1CAZ4

Natuurlijk vallen er wat debrees rondom de footprint en de stofwolk verplaats zich met de wind en de luchtdruk afkomstig van de verplaatste massa van het gebouw.

Hier de mensen die er zelf waren , mensen die er toe doen zoal sde Fire chief:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMr3ZSL6l-4

Interessante video. Had ik nog niet gezien. Naar mijn mening ziet gebouw 7 er zeer goed uit.

Brandende wolkenkrabbers die niet instortten.

Beijing CCTV Building On Fire, News Censored




Nadien



Beijing Skyscraper Fire: The Silence Is Deafening

Debunkers’ only response is to claim that no comparison to WTC 7 can be made, yet they feverishly compared completely dissimilar bridge collapses to twin towers in 2007

Meer chinasmack

Skyscraper Fires
Fires Have Never Caused Skyscrapers to Collapse

Excepting the three 9-11 collapses, no fire, however severe, has ever caused a steel-framed high-rise building to collapse. Following are examples of high-rise fires that were far more severe than those in WTC 1 and 2, and Building 7. In these precedents, the fires consumed multiple floors, produced extensive window breakage, exhibited large areas of emergent flames, and went on for several hours. The fires in the WTC towers did none of these things.


The One Meridian Plaza fire


The First Interstate Bank fire


The Windsor Building fire


The Hotel Mandarin Oriental blazes

Meer: 911research

The Madrid Skyscraper Fire


whatreallyhappened

LaSalle National Bank Building fire

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De VS is niet alleen psychiatrisch ziek maar tevens schizoïde .....

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The show must go on...
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Wat vreemd dat niemand hier kan of durft te reageren op mijn eerdere post over het werk van Dr. Judy Wood, wat overduidelijk aantoont dat er gebruik is gemaakt van vrije energie! O.m. Het Hutchison Effect.

This book contains physical evidence, not theories or speculation, but physical evidence that is overwhelming and conclusive as to what happened. But for the record, I do not believe that our government is responsible for executing the events of 9/11/01; nor do I believe that our government is not responsible for executing the events of 9/11/01.

This is not a case of belief. This is a crime that should be solved by a forensic study of the evidence. Before it can be determined who did it, it must first be determined what was done and how it was done.
The order of crime solving is to determine

http://forum.politics.be/showpost.ph...ostcount=17881

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Wat vreemd dat niemand hier kan of durft te reageren op mijn eerdere post over het werk van Dr. Judy Wood, wat overduidelijk aantoont dat er gebruik is gemaakt van vrije energie! O.m. Het Hutchison Effect.

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Ik heb de voordracht gezien. Geen degelijke wetenschappelijke info over deze zogenaamde power beam. Zelf ken ik heden geen enkele technologie die zoiets zou kunnen waarmaken en zeker niet zonder dat er doden vallen in een ruime straal rond het WTC.

Verder heeft deze dame alle eigenschappen van een disinfo agent en wil zij Steven Jones discrediteren alsook de hele 911 truth movement met haar eigenaardig verhaal.

Waarschijnlijk vanwege deze redenen zal U aangaande Judy Wood niet veel reacties bekomen.

Of misschien is het vanwege 1 van de volgende redenen.

DR. JUDY WOOD

Dr Judy Wood and a few of her followers have been promoting a theory that Direct Energy Weapons aka "Space Beams" brought down the 2 Towers and Building 7 on 9/11! This has been going on for several years now and I have debated them on many occasions in my group forum. I have created this note looking at both sides to this theory.

DR. JUDY WOOD INFO
Dr Judy Wood Website:
http://www.drjudywood.com/

Where Did the Towers Go?
The Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9/11
http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/

9/11 Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery Suppression Timeline
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...=151&Itemid=60

Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...=163&Itemid=60

Coast to Coast am Where did the towers go Dr. Judy Wood (2 Hours)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

Gov. Jesse Ventura talks about Dr. Judy Wood's work on The Alex Jones Show (3 Mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP65E3I4fD8

DEBUNKING DR JUDY WOOD

Judy Wood is nothing but a disinformation agent who should not be taken seriously.

AE911Truth FAQ #6: What’s Your Assessment of the Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Hypothesis?
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-se...ypothesis.html

Written by Jonathan Cole, P.E., Richard Gage, AIA, and Gregg Roberts

Dr. Judy Wood Debunked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny-I5ui-s08

Dr. Greg Jenkins Interviews Dr. Judy Wood
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...DOm5lQeT5qDXBw

Links debunking Judy Wood:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-se...ypothesis.html

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/201...ruth_9853.html

Scientific Journal:
Reply to “Greg Jenkins interview Judy Wood: An Interview and Analysis” by Judy
Wood
http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...ewWoodetal.pdf

Others:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...es-gourley.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...n_theories.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...ry-Jenkins.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...tStudies44.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...pplemental.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...es-gourley.pdf

Reply to Reynolds & Wood
http://stj911.org/jones/Jones_Replyt...olds_Wood.html

Judy Wood debunked in 6 minutes
http://www.911taboo.net/gtv/judy.html

Saboteurs Attacking The 9/11 Truth Movement:
The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html

Mark Dice Interviews (grills) James Fetzer about Fetzer's Energy Weapon Theory
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...96214841453537

Even the JREF'ers are debunking Judy Wood!
http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=judy+wood

CLAIMS, ASSUMPTIONS, and SPECULATION

I have listed many Claims, assumptions and speculations made by Dr Judy Wood and her associates through many months of debates. The Rebuttals are by myself and from professional Engineers, Architects and Physicists.

Claim #1: AE911/Steven Jones

i "Dr. Judy Wood is the ONLY 9/11 researcher ever to file evidence with a court-of-law in pursuit of the truth."
http://sites.google.com/site/reynoldslitigation/

"Stephen Jones wouldn't DARE file a legal document claiming thermite did it, because fraud is a crime and Steven Jones isn't stupid."

iii "Evidence that James Fetzer and Steven Jones were involved in 9/11"
http://drjudywood.blogspot.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9Iv_4ZfNI

"Steven Jones is an enemy of us both."
http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/forums/evidence.html

"I regularly challenge both Steven Jones and Niels Harrit to a debate on whether or not thermite destroyed the World Trade Center."

iii "Science doesn't work this way. Scientists involved in real science invite their competitors to conferences instead of excluding them."

iv "AE911 is not involved in the scientific process."
"What A&E is peddling is a nightmare of half-truths and outright lies."

Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez Questions Richard Gage at AE911Truth Presentation on 4/12/2011
(Part 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir0vukXoWGU

(Part 2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9VvSBwVT_A

REBUTTAL #1: AE911/Steven Jones

i) Wrong! Many 9/11 resarchers have filed lawsuits pertaining to 9/11! However, many were also silenced in agreement with the 9/11 victims compensation package. That 90% of the Family members accepted.

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://ae911truth.org/

"1,509 verified architectural and engineering professionals and 12,235 other supporters have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation."

More people to file lawsuits/referendums:
http://www.nyccan.org/

http://davidraygriffin.com/books/911...and-the-press/

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...e/footage.html

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14724

http://www.reopen911.org/ReOpen911_2007Archive/

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5479.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Eckert

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgeMdOcBGf0

(April Gallop)

ii) Steven Jones and 9 other of his colleagues co-wrote the Nano Thermite peer reviewed article. Published by Bentham Journal. Try debunking the paper instead of attacking the authors.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...002/7TOCPJ.htm

The Overwhelming Implausibility of Using Directed Energy Beams to Demolish
the World Trade Center Towers.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...ry-Jenkins.pdf

Why are you bringing up James Fetzer? He is a Judy Wood supporter. He's only done 49 shows with her.
http://twilightpines.com/index.php?o...d=42&Itemid=47

With comments like this, it shows me that Tracy/Judy Wood/Abraham are more interested in bashing Steven Jones than providing evidence for Space beams! Dr Judy Wood is implying that Steven Jones was apart of the 9/11 conspiracy!
iii) How many of Dr Steven Jones' colleagues were invited to NIST or Pop Mech conferences? How many times has Judy Wood been invited? Why are you only bringing up AE911 and attacking Dr Steven Jones? When she should be focusing on proving her theory.
Show me Judy Wood's science that proves "space beams" brought down the towers! SHOW ME HER SCIENTIFIC PROOF! Where's her scientific process? What peer review articles does Judy Wood have about her 9/11 theory?
iv) AE911 make up over 1500 Architects and Engineers and over 12000 Students. They have base their entire research to Science.
Scientist do not use words like "Ray Beam" "Dustification" "Fuzzyblobs" "fuzzball" and "Jellification" "transmutation" "Cheetos" and "Holes" as scientific evidence! All these words have been used by Judy Wood. She is the one that does not follow the scientific process.
If AE911 was based on half truths, why doesn't the Media and US govt release the info to the people and show these "outright lies". What better way to discredit the entire truth movement but to expose this "fraud". The Meida nor Government will touch the Thermite debate.
Operation Blackout
http://world911truth.org/operation-blackout/

Not only have you been kicked from those groups but also from the JREF forums!
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=172126

(Pooksta aka Abraham Hafiz)

Not Dr Steven Jones, Neils Harrit or anyone at AE911 says thermite destroyed the World Trade Center alone. Nano Thermite was used to weaken the structure and EXPLOSIVES finished the job.

Listen to Niels instead of putting words in his mouth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

(10 mins)
CLAIM #2: "DUSTIFIED"

i "What turned the WTC Buildings to DUST on 9/11?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGXDmNZCeKo
&
The "Spire dustifies"
http://drjudywood.com/towers/group3.html

ii "Plus the dust cloud wasn't hot. People survived the dust cloud rolling over them, you know..... Since we know that people survived the dust cloud, we know that thermite and explosives were not used."
"You think there was excessive heat in the pile, but there wasn't. The pile was cold"
"You apparently think that the thermite reaction can stay hot for months, because that's what Steven Jones says caused all those fumes."
iii "Calculating BTUs that would have been required is not relevant because BTU means British THERMAL Unit when heat had nothing to do with destroying the WTC."

REBUTTAL #2: "DUSTIFIED"

i) WRONG! The "Spire" falls.
WTC1 Spires Dropped--not vaporized NIST FOIA: WTC1 Collapse (WNBC Dub10 54)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um64B1NZXes
& (@1:00)
9/11 Experiment: Concrete evidence. Does it pulverize when falling?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoLjNO-Kz6I

Why are you comparing Dome demolitions to Sky scrapers? Here is what The Kingdome demolition looked like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0FURbcPLw

Your video is totally irrelevant to the collapse of the three buildings. Where is the center core in your dome?
"The steel in the World Trade Center buildings did not turn to dust. The concrete in the buildings turned to dust. The presence of iron-rich microspheres can only be explained by the ignition of nanothermite and those same iron-rich microspheres were formed when the red/gray chips from the World Trade Center dust were ignited in a sealed ignition chamber. Both smoking and loaded gun evidence of nanothermite sol-gel explosives are present in the dust and these findings have been independently confirmed by Mark Basile who is a chemical engineer from New Hampshire."

WHAT STEEL TURNED TO DUST?
http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployment...ges/LER049.jpg

http://cavegrad.typepad.com/.a/6a012...cf28970c-800wi

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cob...round_zero.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wtc-6.jpg

ii) THE PILE WAS HOT, NOT COLD. Listen to a firefighter and the cheif who were right there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc0d-juRg0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVXt8ZtxhY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FogrkulobOU

Molten Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM
&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI

Demolition Gone Bad (These people survived the dust cloud)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArxg0zMANQ
&
Steven Jones has never said months, he has said weeks. The thermal picture proves it.
http://www.ae911truth.org/fr/news/34...ial-story.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...alhotspots.jpg

Thermal definition: Of, relating to, using, producing, or caused by heat.
Just in case you missed it. Here is a thermal map of the temperatures at Ground zero:
GROUND ZERO Two Months after 9/11 World Trade Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRJI7JyNZw

v) If it takes 60W of energy to heat up an itty bitty carbon thread (Light Bulb), how much energy would it take to heat up 96,000 (short) Tons of steel?
Lets do the South Tower:
BTU = Desired temperature rise * Specific heat * weight / time (hr)
BTU = 2700F * .12 * 192,000,000 lbs/1 hour
BTU = 62.2 billion BTU's
The HAARP project can supply 1.7 billion Watts in the 2.8 to 10 MHz frequency range. This would in theory be 16 billion Watts short.
CLAIM #3: "SPACE BEAMS"

i "SPACE BEAMS? Dr. Wood doesn't talk about the beams coming from space."
"Dr. Judy Wood Has NEVER Discussed "Space Beams" or "Lasers From Space"
ii ""Star Wars Beam" refers to the fact that the beam weapon was developed with money from the "Star Wars Defense Initiative"."

iii "Dr. Judy Wood's theory is that electrical energy was used to vibrate the 7 World Trade Center buildings almost entirely into tiny pieces."

REBUTTAL #3: "SPACE BEAMS"
i) It was Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds. They wrote an article about it and posted it on her website.
"The Star Wars Beam Weapons and Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW)"
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...WarsBeam1.html

This is why I call it Space beams! What else should I call it? Stars are in space and she uses the word Beam, hence the term "Space beams"
http://www.rense.com/general78/derk.htm

Fetzer and Wood talk for 2 hours about "Beams"
This audio file is hosted at website: http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/

Scroll down to "Jim Fetzer & Prof Judy Wood on RBN Live - WTC Destruction 11 Nov 2006.mp3 (13.5 MB)"
iii) These tiny pieces?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMkJmnyDuQ
or did WTC 7 collapse very similar to this CD?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=fHQOqnaIce0

CLAIM #5: THERMITE

i "Thermite doesn't turn steel into dust. Most of the building turned into dust."
ii "Nano-thermite, thermate, spray-on thermite. None of it is used in controlled demolitions."
iii "Thermite doesn't do what he says it does."
iv "The fact that the chips were coated with red material (aka rust)."
"thermitic material" rust, metal powder, THAT'S IT!

REBUTTAL #5: THERMITE
i) No the explosives turned the concrete into dust! Steel was not turned into dust! What are you talking about? No one is claiming that Thermite turns steel into dust.

WHAT STEEL TURNED TO DUST?
http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployment...ges/LER049.jpg

http://cavegrad.typepad.com/.a/6a012...cf28970c-800wi

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cob...round_zero.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wtc-6.jpg

http://www.stopviolence.com/images/9...ndzero-cut.jpg

THERMITE WAS USED TO WEAKEN THE 100 STOREY TOWERS! THATS IT! Now listen........ EXPLOSIVES FINISHED THE JOB!

9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses (Graeme McQueen)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwQa5eokieY
ii) I will agree that Thermite has never been used to demolish an above ground building. But neither has DEW's. Thermite however, has been used in under water demolitions. Also, no building the size of the towers has ever been demolished by explosives before. They had to make sure it would come down. Which is why Thermite was used to weaken the structure first! Explosives finished the job.
iii) Well lets see what Thermite can do.......
9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucZag9-Cgyk

iv) Many debunkers of thermite argue that the chips were "paint" chips. You call it "Rust". Why didn't Judy Wood collect any dust samples and test it herself? Have you ever read the peer reviewed paper? http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...002/7TOCPJ.htm
FEMA describes the corrosion of the steel samples as "a very unusual event" in the report. FEMA does not take a position as to why the corrosion occurred, proffering it could have happened before the collapse or after. It's a short appendix, read it: http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

Thermite = Fe2 O3 + 2Al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjYwhB9WpFE

NIST/FEMA found the Nano Thermite but chose to call it an "unusual event".

Where are your dust sample tests?

CLAIM #6: "TOASTED CARS"

i "Why were cars burning but the paper was not?"
Toasted Cars: http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html

What caused 1400 cars to catch fire and/or explode on 9/11?
http://www.librariansfor911truth.org/carfires.html

9/11/2001: Many cars burned but papers not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF97uHGJM_Q
&
9/11 Burning Cars Across From WTC 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dtLsTNmapY

ii Judy Wood claims this police car (among others) was burnt 1000 feet away from ground zero.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/d...policecar3.jpg

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/21.jpg

iii "Explain the firetruck missing its engine ..."

REBUTTAL #6: "TOASTED CARS"

i) As for the car fires and paper not burning.... there is a very simple explanation for this! Heat rises! The paper was also covered in dust, acting as a fire retardant. With the door handles, they are made of plastic which burns very easily. Many car parts are also made out of aluminum which has a much lower melting point than steel.

As for the 1400 cars damaged/burnt. I don't see the relevance to proving "Space beams" did it. Debris from the towers collapsing and burning paper/ gas line leaks could have easily started a chain reaction of car fires. Go through a lit cigarette in the back seat of your car and tell me what happens.

How about these cars, did "Space Beams" cause all these cars to burn and rust?
http://www.newprophecy.net/Burned_ca...in_Misrata.jpg

Really Nutty 9-11 Physics (Regarding "toasted cars")
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911NutPhysics0.HTM

Cars Were Not Burned By Energy Beams
http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/wtc/burnedcars/

Video of Burning and Burnt Cars from 9/11 and following days.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=37e_1190735905

This is what happens to cars that catch fire! Did Space Beams cause these fires too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoVNxpTk6XQ
&
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200810/r307732_1347542.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...r+on+fire&aq=f

http://www.google.ca/images?q=pictur...w=1024&bih=570

ii) Those cars were TOWED there to make room for emergency vehicles to get to Ground zero!
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/13...600x600Q85.jpg

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...68S600x600.jpg

Cars don't park on the side of highways, double parked! Do you see parking lines? No you don't..... this is the shoulder of a highway! No parking spots. The vehicles were TOWED there!
Cop car #2723 in two different spots. Prooving it was towed!
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=208961

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=189087

In your second picture, notice how the vehicles under the bridge have no damage yet only 10 feet away from cars you claim were set on fire miles away.
iii) It wasn't. If you did some research on fire trucks you would know that the engine is not under the driver seat but under the middle cab.
http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/...94d8ec9cdL.jpg

http://www.westshorefire.com/images/...ucks_up600.jpg

QUESTIONS FOR JUDY WOOD

1) Has Dr Judy Wood ever tested the dust from ground zero?
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/credo/projects/moire.pdf
2) Does Dr Judy Wood also believe "No Planes" hit the towers?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/forums/evidence.html
http://www.911hoax.com/Wood_Reynolds_Star_Wars_911.asp
http://drjudywood.blogspot.com/2009/...es-theory.html
3) Why does Judy Wood refuse to accept that maybe, just maybe explosives were used to bring down the buildings?
4) Was Judy Wood really in a coma for several years in the 80's?
5) Why did DEW's effect the two towers and Building 7 in a completely different manner?
6) Why does Judy Wood ignore all the testimony to BOMBS going off in the Buildings?
7) Do you support Dr Judy Wood's "Directed Energy Weapon" theory and not Nano Thermite and Explosives?
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk...7343&qa_ref=sa
8) Why didn't these "beams" effect wtc 3, 4, 5, 6 and just 1,2, and 7?
9) Why weren't the cars 'Dustified' as you claim happened to the steel in the towers?

CONCLUSION:
The "Space Beam" theory is completely absurd. It is simply a hoax to discredit the whole movement. I have gone through Dr Judy Woods' presentation point by point, only to realize that it's very manipulating, deceiving and lacks any scientific evidence. Not to mention the fact that almost every "Space Beamer" I come across is also a "No Planer". Either these people believe every conspiracy theory out there or they are agents with a hidden agenda. I choose the latter. As Judy Wood and her supporters spend more time attacking Dr Steven Jones than they do trying to prove their own theory, this leads me to believe that there is no credibility to Dr Judy Wood and her cult of "Space beamers". They simply have more questions than answers. My allegience will always remain with the 1500+ professionals at AE 911. If and when Judy Wood can get her theory peer reviewed and supported by 1500 professionals. Then and only then will I give it a second look. Judy Wood = Disinfo agent.

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Ik heb de voordracht gezien. Geen degelijke wetenschappelijke info over deze zogenaamde power beam. Zelf ken ik heden geen enkele technologie die zoiets zou kunnen waarmaken en zeker niet zonder dat er doden vallen in een ruime straal rond het WTC.

Verder heeft deze dame alle eigenschappen van een disinfo agent en wil zij Steven Jones discrediteren alsook de hele 911 truth movement met haar eigenaardig verhaal.

Waarschijnlijk vanwege deze redenen zal U aangaande Judy Wood niet veel reacties bekomen.

Of misschien is het vanwege 1 van de volgende redenen.

DR. JUDY WOOD

Dr Judy Wood and a few of her followers have been promoting a theory that Direct Energy Weapons aka "Space Beams" brought down the 2 Towers and Building 7 on 9/11! This has been going on for several years now and I have debated them on many occasions in my group forum. I have created this note looking at both sides to this theory.

DR. JUDY WOOD INFO
Dr Judy Wood Website:
http://www.drjudywood.com/

Where Did the Towers Go?
The Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9/11
http://wheredidthetowersgo.com/

9/11 Directed Energy Weapon / TV-Fakery Suppression Timeline
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...=151&Itemid=60

Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...=163&Itemid=60

Coast to Coast am Where did the towers go Dr. Judy Wood (2 Hours)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms1uUZX_g2I

Gov. Jesse Ventura talks about Dr. Judy Wood's work on The Alex Jones Show (3 Mins)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP65E3I4fD8

DEBUNKING DR JUDY WOOD

Judy Wood is nothing but a disinformation agent who should not be taken seriously.

AE911Truth FAQ #6: What’s Your Assessment of the Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Hypothesis?
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-se...ypothesis.html

Written by Jonathan Cole, P.E., Richard Gage, AIA, and Gregg Roberts

Dr. Judy Wood Debunked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny-I5ui-s08

Dr. Greg Jenkins Interviews Dr. Judy Wood
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...DOm5lQeT5qDXBw

Links debunking Judy Wood:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-se...ypothesis.html

http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/201...ruth_9853.html

Scientific Journal:
Reply to “Greg Jenkins interview Judy Wood: An Interview and Analysis” by Judy
Wood
http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...ewWoodetal.pdf

Others:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...es-gourley.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...n_theories.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...ry-Jenkins.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...tStudies44.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...pplemental.pdf

http://www.journalof911studies.com/l...es-gourley.pdf

Reply to Reynolds & Wood
http://stj911.org/jones/Jones_Replyt...olds_Wood.html

Judy Wood debunked in 6 minutes
http://www.911taboo.net/gtv/judy.html

Saboteurs Attacking The 9/11 Truth Movement:
The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html

Mark Dice Interviews (grills) James Fetzer about Fetzer's Energy Weapon Theory
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...96214841453537

Even the JREF'ers are debunking Judy Wood!
http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=judy+wood

CLAIMS, ASSUMPTIONS, and SPECULATION

I have listed many Claims, assumptions and speculations made by Dr Judy Wood and her associates through many months of debates. The Rebuttals are by myself and from professional Engineers, Architects and Physicists.

Claim #1: AE911/Steven Jones

i "Dr. Judy Wood is the ONLY 9/11 researcher ever to file evidence with a court-of-law in pursuit of the truth."
http://sites.google.com/site/reynoldslitigation/

"Stephen Jones wouldn't DARE file a legal document claiming thermite did it, because fraud is a crime and Steven Jones isn't stupid."

iii "Evidence that James Fetzer and Steven Jones were involved in 9/11"
http://drjudywood.blogspot.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9Iv_4ZfNI

"Steven Jones is an enemy of us both."
http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/forums/evidence.html

"I regularly challenge both Steven Jones and Niels Harrit to a debate on whether or not thermite destroyed the World Trade Center."

iii "Science doesn't work this way. Scientists involved in real science invite their competitors to conferences instead of excluding them."

iv "AE911 is not involved in the scientific process."
"What A&E is peddling is a nightmare of half-truths and outright lies."

Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez Questions Richard Gage at AE911Truth Presentation on 4/12/2011
(Part 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir0vukXoWGU

(Part 2 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9VvSBwVT_A

REBUTTAL #1: AE911/Steven Jones

i) Wrong! Many 9/11 resarchers have filed lawsuits pertaining to 9/11! However, many were also silenced in agreement with the 9/11 victims compensation package. That 90% of the Family members accepted.

Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://ae911truth.org/

"1,509 verified architectural and engineering professionals and 12,235 other supporters have signed the petition demanding of Congress a truly independent investigation."

More people to file lawsuits/referendums:
http://www.nyccan.org/

http://davidraygriffin.com/books/911...and-the-press/

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...e/footage.html

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=14724

http://www.reopen911.org/ReOpen911_2007Archive/

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5479.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Eckert

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgeMdOcBGf0

(April Gallop)

ii) Steven Jones and 9 other of his colleagues co-wrote the Nano Thermite peer reviewed article. Published by Bentham Journal. Try debunking the paper instead of attacking the authors.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...002/7TOCPJ.htm

The Overwhelming Implausibility of Using Directed Energy Beams to Demolish
the World Trade Center Towers.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/v...ry-Jenkins.pdf

Why are you bringing up James Fetzer? He is a Judy Wood supporter. He's only done 49 shows with her.
http://twilightpines.com/index.php?o...d=42&Itemid=47

With comments like this, it shows me that Tracy/Judy Wood/Abraham are more interested in bashing Steven Jones than providing evidence for Space beams! Dr Judy Wood is implying that Steven Jones was apart of the 9/11 conspiracy!
iii) How many of Dr Steven Jones' colleagues were invited to NIST or Pop Mech conferences? How many times has Judy Wood been invited? Why are you only bringing up AE911 and attacking Dr Steven Jones? When she should be focusing on proving her theory.
Show me Judy Wood's science that proves "space beams" brought down the towers! SHOW ME HER SCIENTIFIC PROOF! Where's her scientific process? What peer review articles does Judy Wood have about her 9/11 theory?
iv) AE911 make up over 1500 Architects and Engineers and over 12000 Students. They have base their entire research to Science.
Scientist do not use words like "Ray Beam" "Dustification" "Fuzzyblobs" "fuzzball" and "Jellification" "transmutation" "Cheetos" and "Holes" as scientific evidence! All these words have been used by Judy Wood. She is the one that does not follow the scientific process.
If AE911 was based on half truths, why doesn't the Media and US govt release the info to the people and show these "outright lies". What better way to discredit the entire truth movement but to expose this "fraud". The Meida nor Government will touch the Thermite debate.
Operation Blackout
http://world911truth.org/operation-blackout/

Not only have you been kicked from those groups but also from the JREF forums!
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=172126

(Pooksta aka Abraham Hafiz)

Not Dr Steven Jones, Neils Harrit or anyone at AE911 says thermite destroyed the World Trade Center alone. Nano Thermite was used to weaken the structure and EXPLOSIVES finished the job.

Listen to Niels instead of putting words in his mouth!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_tf25lx_3o

(10 mins)
CLAIM #2: "DUSTIFIED"

i "What turned the WTC Buildings to DUST on 9/11?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGXDmNZCeKo
&
The "Spire dustifies"
http://drjudywood.com/towers/group3.html

ii "Plus the dust cloud wasn't hot. People survived the dust cloud rolling over them, you know..... Since we know that people survived the dust cloud, we know that thermite and explosives were not used."
"You think there was excessive heat in the pile, but there wasn't. The pile was cold"
"You apparently think that the thermite reaction can stay hot for months, because that's what Steven Jones says caused all those fumes."
iii "Calculating BTUs that would have been required is not relevant because BTU means British THERMAL Unit when heat had nothing to do with destroying the WTC."

REBUTTAL #2: "DUSTIFIED"

i) WRONG! The "Spire" falls.
WTC1 Spires Dropped--not vaporized NIST FOIA: WTC1 Collapse (WNBC Dub10 54)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um64B1NZXes
& (@1:00)
9/11 Experiment: Concrete evidence. Does it pulverize when falling?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoLjNO-Kz6I

Why are you comparing Dome demolitions to Sky scrapers? Here is what The Kingdome demolition looked like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-0FURbcPLw

Your video is totally irrelevant to the collapse of the three buildings. Where is the center core in your dome?
"The steel in the World Trade Center buildings did not turn to dust. The concrete in the buildings turned to dust. The presence of iron-rich microspheres can only be explained by the ignition of nanothermite and those same iron-rich microspheres were formed when the red/gray chips from the World Trade Center dust were ignited in a sealed ignition chamber. Both smoking and loaded gun evidence of nanothermite sol-gel explosives are present in the dust and these findings have been independently confirmed by Mark Basile who is a chemical engineer from New Hampshire."

WHAT STEEL TURNED TO DUST?
http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployment...ges/LER049.jpg

http://cavegrad.typepad.com/.a/6a012...cf28970c-800wi

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cob...round_zero.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wtc-6.jpg

ii) THE PILE WAS HOT, NOT COLD. Listen to a firefighter and the cheif who were right there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEc0d-juRg0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVXt8ZtxhY8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FogrkulobOU

Molten Metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM
&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI

Demolition Gone Bad (These people survived the dust cloud)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArxg0zMANQ
&
Steven Jones has never said months, he has said weeks. The thermal picture proves it.
http://www.ae911truth.org/fr/news/34...ial-story.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...alhotspots.jpg

Thermal definition: Of, relating to, using, producing, or caused by heat.
Just in case you missed it. Here is a thermal map of the temperatures at Ground zero:
GROUND ZERO Two Months after 9/11 World Trade Center
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnRJI7JyNZw

v) If it takes 60W of energy to heat up an itty bitty carbon thread (Light Bulb), how much energy would it take to heat up 96,000 (short) Tons of steel?
Lets do the South Tower:
BTU = Desired temperature rise * Specific heat * weight / time (hr)
BTU = 2700F * .12 * 192,000,000 lbs/1 hour
BTU = 62.2 billion BTU's
The HAARP project can supply 1.7 billion Watts in the 2.8 to 10 MHz frequency range. This would in theory be 16 billion Watts short.
CLAIM #3: "SPACE BEAMS"

i "SPACE BEAMS? Dr. Wood doesn't talk about the beams coming from space."
"Dr. Judy Wood Has NEVER Discussed "Space Beams" or "Lasers From Space"
ii ""Star Wars Beam" refers to the fact that the beam weapon was developed with money from the "Star Wars Defense Initiative"."

iii "Dr. Judy Wood's theory is that electrical energy was used to vibrate the 7 World Trade Center buildings almost entirely into tiny pieces."

REBUTTAL #3: "SPACE BEAMS"
i) It was Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds. They wrote an article about it and posted it on her website.
"The Star Wars Beam Weapons and Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW)"
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...WarsBeam1.html

This is why I call it Space beams! What else should I call it? Stars are in space and she uses the word Beam, hence the term "Space beams"
http://www.rense.com/general78/derk.htm

Fetzer and Wood talk for 2 hours about "Beams"
This audio file is hosted at website: http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/911/

Scroll down to "Jim Fetzer & Prof Judy Wood on RBN Live - WTC Destruction 11 Nov 2006.mp3 (13.5 MB)"
iii) These tiny pieces?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMkJmnyDuQ
or did WTC 7 collapse very similar to this CD?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=fHQOqnaIce0

CLAIM #5: THERMITE

i "Thermite doesn't turn steel into dust. Most of the building turned into dust."
ii "Nano-thermite, thermate, spray-on thermite. None of it is used in controlled demolitions."
iii "Thermite doesn't do what he says it does."
iv "The fact that the chips were coated with red material (aka rust)."
"thermitic material" rust, metal powder, THAT'S IT!

REBUTTAL #5: THERMITE
i) No the explosives turned the concrete into dust! Steel was not turned into dust! What are you talking about? No one is claiming that Thermite turns steel into dust.

WHAT STEEL TURNED TO DUST?
http://dart2.arc.nasa.gov/Deployment...ges/LER049.jpg

http://cavegrad.typepad.com/.a/6a012...cf28970c-800wi

http://ginacobb.typepad.com/gina_cob...round_zero.jpg

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/wtc-6.jpg

http://www.stopviolence.com/images/9...ndzero-cut.jpg

THERMITE WAS USED TO WEAKEN THE 100 STOREY TOWERS! THATS IT! Now listen........ EXPLOSIVES FINISHED THE JOB!

9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses (Graeme McQueen)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwQa5eokieY
ii) I will agree that Thermite has never been used to demolish an above ground building. But neither has DEW's. Thermite however, has been used in under water demolitions. Also, no building the size of the towers has ever been demolished by explosives before. They had to make sure it would come down. Which is why Thermite was used to weaken the structure first! Explosives finished the job.
iii) Well lets see what Thermite can do.......
9/11 Experiments: The Great Thermate Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIoCiI8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucZag9-Cgyk

iv) Many debunkers of thermite argue that the chips were "paint" chips. You call it "Rust". Why didn't Judy Wood collect any dust samples and test it herself? Have you ever read the peer reviewed paper? http://www.benthamscience.com/open/t...002/7TOCPJ.htm
FEMA describes the corrosion of the steel samples as "a very unusual event" in the report. FEMA does not take a position as to why the corrosion occurred, proffering it could have happened before the collapse or after. It's a short appendix, read it: http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

Thermite = Fe2 O3 + 2Al
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjYwhB9WpFE

NIST/FEMA found the Nano Thermite but chose to call it an "unusual event".

Where are your dust sample tests?

CLAIM #6: "TOASTED CARS"

i "Why were cars burning but the paper was not?"
Toasted Cars: http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html

What caused 1400 cars to catch fire and/or explode on 9/11?
http://www.librariansfor911truth.org/carfires.html

9/11/2001: Many cars burned but papers not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF97uHGJM_Q
&
9/11 Burning Cars Across From WTC 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dtLsTNmapY

ii Judy Wood claims this police car (among others) was burnt 1000 feet away from ground zero.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/d...policecar3.jpg

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/21.jpg

iii "Explain the firetruck missing its engine ..."

REBUTTAL #6: "TOASTED CARS"

i) As for the car fires and paper not burning.... there is a very simple explanation for this! Heat rises! The paper was also covered in dust, acting as a fire retardant. With the door handles, they are made of plastic which burns very easily. Many car parts are also made out of aluminum which has a much lower melting point than steel.

As for the 1400 cars damaged/burnt. I don't see the relevance to proving "Space beams" did it. Debris from the towers collapsing and burning paper/ gas line leaks could have easily started a chain reaction of car fires. Go through a lit cigarette in the back seat of your car and tell me what happens.

How about these cars, did "Space Beams" cause all these cars to burn and rust?
http://www.newprophecy.net/Burned_ca...in_Misrata.jpg

Really Nutty 9-11 Physics (Regarding "toasted cars")
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/911NutPhysics0.HTM

Cars Were Not Burned By Energy Beams
http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/wtc/burnedcars/

Video of Burning and Burnt Cars from 9/11 and following days.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=37e_1190735905

This is what happens to cars that catch fire! Did Space Beams cause these fires too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoVNxpTk6XQ
&
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200810/r307732_1347542.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...r+on+fire&aq=f

http://www.google.ca/images?q=pictur...w=1024&bih=570

ii) Those cars were TOWED there to make room for emergency vehicles to get to Ground zero!
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/13...600x600Q85.jpg

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...68S600x600.jpg

Cars don't park on the side of highways, double parked! Do you see parking lines? No you don't..... this is the shoulder of a highway! No parking spots. The vehicles were TOWED there!
Cop car #2723 in two different spots. Prooving it was towed!
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=208961

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=189087

In your second picture, notice how the vehicles under the bridge have no damage yet only 10 feet away from cars you claim were set on fire miles away.
iii) It wasn't. If you did some research on fire trucks you would know that the engine is not under the driver seat but under the middle cab.
http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/...94d8ec9cdL.jpg

http://www.westshorefire.com/images/...ucks_up600.jpg

QUESTIONS FOR JUDY WOOD

1) Has Dr Judy Wood ever tested the dust from ground zero?
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/me/credo/projects/moire.pdf
2) Does Dr Judy Wood also believe "No Planes" hit the towers?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/a/forums/evidence.html
http://www.911hoax.com/Wood_Reynolds_Star_Wars_911.asp
http://drjudywood.blogspot.com/2009/...es-theory.html
3) Why does Judy Wood refuse to accept that maybe, just maybe explosives were used to bring down the buildings?
4) Was Judy Wood really in a coma for several years in the 80's?
5) Why did DEW's effect the two towers and Building 7 in a completely different manner?
6) Why does Judy Wood ignore all the testimony to BOMBS going off in the Buildings?
7) Do you support Dr Judy Wood's "Directed Energy Weapon" theory and not Nano Thermite and Explosives?
https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk...7343&qa_ref=sa
8) Why didn't these "beams" effect wtc 3, 4, 5, 6 and just 1,2, and 7?
9) Why weren't the cars 'Dustified' as you claim happened to the steel in the towers?

CONCLUSION:
The "Space Beam" theory is completely absurd. It is simply a hoax to discredit the whole movement. I have gone through Dr Judy Woods' presentation point by point, only to realize that it's very manipulating, deceiving and lacks any scientific evidence. Not to mention the fact that almost every "Space Beamer" I come across is also a "No Planer". Either these people believe every conspiracy theory out there or they are agents with a hidden agenda. I choose the latter. As Judy Wood and her supporters spend more time attacking Dr Steven Jones than they do trying to prove their own theory, this leads me to believe that there is no credibility to Dr Judy Wood and her cult of "Space beamers". They simply have more questions than answers. My allegience will always remain with the 1500+ professionals at AE 911. If and when Judy Wood can get her theory peer reviewed and supported by 1500 professionals. Then and only then will I give it a second look. Judy Wood = Disinfo agent.

Het enige doel van dat mens is om rookgordijnen op te trekken en de mensen die oprecht op zoek zijn naar de waarheid achter de aanslagen van 9/11 mee in de "Conspiracy Nuts" pot te kunnnen steken.

Links laten liggen dus.

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Het enige doel van dat mens is om rookgordijnen op te trekken en de mensen die oprecht op zoek zijn naar de waarheid achter de aanslagen van 9/11 mee in de "Conspiracy Nuts" pot te kunnnen steken.

Links laten liggen dus.

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[CuriousPenetrator]

Vreemd. Ik vertrouw die Steven Jones juist voor geen meter,
En ja , als jij die techniek niet kent zeg dat natuurlijk helemaal, maar dan ook helemaal niks.
Eerdere mensen hebben ook al gezegd dat er micronukes zijn gebruikt, dus zo raar is haar verhaal niet.
En heb je haar werk onderzocht? waarschijnlijk niet. Waarom dan niet?
je maakt je er mijns insziens veel te makkelijk van af.

[CuriousPenetrator]

Steven Jones sets up the truth movement for a fall

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/a...r/Hustler.html


Eerlijk gezegd ben ik bang dat de meeste 'truthers' eigenlijk net zulke bange schappjes zijn en achter hhun kudden aandraven, en niet bereid hun visie te veranderen als ze al zo veel energie in HUN visie gestoken hebben.
Begrijp me niet verkeerd, ik ben er van overtuigd dat 9-11 een 'inside job' was, dus ik ben tegen de mainstream (officiele rapporten) die over het algemeen negens op slaan. MAAR het geheel is duidelijk opgebowud uit vele lagen en
'men' vermoedde wat er ou gaan gebeuren en heeft dit geniaal ingecalculeerd,
Steven Jones, ppppffff wat een eikel, waarschijnlijk Contelpro.

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

Als U iets beweert, dan mag U dat ook met feiten staven.
Er staat in deze draad niets dat deze oude onzin ivm gebouw 7 debunked.

is reeds gestaafd staat verschillende malen in deze topic die je NIET GELEZEN HEBT...

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

Natuurlijk vallen er wat debrees rondom de footprint en de stofwolk verplaats zich met de wind en de luchtdruk afkomstig van de verplaatste massa van het gebouw.

Interessante video. Had ik nog niet gezien. Naar mijn mening ziet gebouw 7 er zeer goed uit.

Brandende wolkenkrabbers die niet instortten.








...

geen enkel gebouw met structurele schade door brokstukken wtc dus helemaal geen vergelijk mogelijk

hier een filmpje ... kijk naar de brandweerman en andere getuigen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZrlNw-31R8

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door CuriousPenetrator

Wat vreemd dat niemand hier kan of durft te reageren op mijn eerdere post over het werk van Dr. Judy Wood, wat overduidelijk aantoont dat er gebruik is gemaakt van vrije energie! O.m. Het Hutchison Effect.



http://forum.politics.be/showpost.ph...ostcount=17881

niemand reageert op dubbelnicks...

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Een aanrader

Ongeidentificeerde vliegtuigen (United Airlines, Boeing 767 ? 747 ?), onzichtbaar vliegtuig Pentagon en geen onderdelen terug te vinden, teruggevonden motor in NY is niet overeenkomstig met die van een Boeing 767, camera die de inslag filmt vanuit een ideale positie vanwege voorkennis, een hoorbare explosie in gebouw 7, controlled demolition en meer...

Dit alles met een aangenaam muziekje + enige kunstwerkjes. Enjoy... (slechts 9.11 minuten)

The Legend of 9/11 — 10 Years On (NEW VIDEO 2 September)

The Legend of 9/11 — 10 Years On by Anthony Lawson

This video concentrates on the two major 9/11 issues: The Unidentified Planes and The Controlled Demolitions. Nothing else. It does not mention the NORAD stand--down; the don't-fly and don't-go-to-work warnings or the Dancing Israelis or any of the other anomalies and suspicious happenings. The alleged amateur suicide pilots are not mentioned, either, for obvious reasons, and I do not know what happened to the allegedly hijacked planes or their alleged passengers and crews.

It is my contention that the 9/11 Truth Movement has got to concentrate on the most blatant and provable lies in the official story, and stop trying to be an amateur Police Precinct or a citizen's District Attorney's Office. The Movement must bring pressure to bear in the authorities for a new enquiry, so that the police, the FBI, the NTSB and all of the other law enforcement and investigative agencies can do what should have been done 10 years ago: Find out who was responsible for the crime of the attacks on 9/11 and bring them to justice.

...

Video

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Dat hele thermiet idee is werkelijk belachelijk! Waarom ?

Thermiet is geen high-explosive, ook nanothermiet niet om de doodeenvoudige reden dat het een mengsel van 2 of meer stoffen betreft en geen explosieve verbinding.

Explosieve verbindingen kunnen detoneren (reactie wordt door druk voortgezet)
thermiet kan dat niet.
Explosieve verbindingen zetten zich bij detonatie om in gassen
nano-thermiet dat defragleert(reactie wordt door druk voortgezet) en ontleedt voornamelijk in vaste stoffen.

Ook al zou het mogelijk zijn om thermiet zo snel te laten reageren dat het detonatie snelheden bereikt dan is er nog altijd geen gas dat voor de gewenste expansie zorgt.

Thermiet is totaal onbruikbaar voor spring doeleinden. Dat er ergens iemand een patent heeft op nanothermiet doet daar niets aan af.


Geen conspiracy site die hierop zal kunnen reageren.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

Een aanrader

Ongeidentificeerde vliegtuigen (United Airlines, Boeing 767 ? 747 ?), onzichtbaar vliegtuig Pentagon en geen onderdelen terug te vinden,

Dat moet je mij toch eens uitleggen dan !
alle gevonden onderdelen matchen met het type toestel dat vlucht 77 was(een 757) .

teruggevonden motor in NY is niet overeenkomstig met die van een Boeing 767,

Kansloze bewering!! valt totaal niet te onderbouwen evenals de vorige claim.

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De brandende wolkenkrabbers die niet instortten hadden in tegenstelling tot wtc 7 :

- een betonnen frame

-een 'staal in beton' frame

Van het gebouw in madrid stortte er een deel in , welk deel ??

Precies het deel dat geen beton rond het stalen frame had !!! net als de 9/11 gebouwen dus.

Ieder die ook maar een enigsinds serieuze vergelijking wil maken zal moeten kijken naar hoe de gebouwen zijn gecontrueerd, de complot sites doen dat niet.

Overigens :
Staal constructies genoeg die het begaven door brand in het verleden.


We moeten maar geloven dat de instortingen van de Twin Towers niets met de plane crashes te maken hadden, dat slaat toch nergens op.

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Het gedrag van staalconstructies bij brand:




http://www.brandveiligmetstaal.nl/pa...bij_brand.html

Op het foto en beeld materiaal van WTC 7 op 9/11 lijkt het mee te vallen met de branden , maar dat was niet het geval . Waarom niet ?

Zonlicht is feller dan de vlammen waardoor brandhaarden moeilijk te zien zijn. Wanneer WTC 7 in het donker zou hebben gebrand dan zou er veel meer vuur zichtbaar zijn.

Er zijn weinig beelden/fotos van WTC 7 kort voor de instorting toen de brand het hevigst was.

En ....


1. We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

2. ...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn

3. I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../visconti.html

4. All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members. –Firefighter Marcel Klaes

5. When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)

6. The concern there again, it was later in the afternoon, 2, 2:30, like I said. The fear then was Seven. Seven was free burning. Search had been made of 7 already from what they said so they had us back up to that point where we were waiting for 7 to come down to operate from the north back down. –Captain Robert Sohmer http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110472.PDF

7. Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring. –FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry Kelly.

8. At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. –Firefighter Vincent Massa

9. Chief Cruthers told me that they had formed another command post up on Chambers Street. At this point there were a couple of floors burning on Seven World Trade Center. Chief McNally wanted to try and put that fire out, and he was trying to coordinate with the command post up on Chambers Street. This is after searching for a while. He had me running back and forth trying to get companies to go into Seven World Trade Center. His radio didn't seem to be working right either because he had me relaying information back and forth and Chief Cruthers had me --

Q. So everything was face-to-face? Nothing was by radio?

A. Yeah, and it was really in disarray. It really was in complete disarray. We never really got an operation going at Seven World Trade Center. –FDNY Captain Michael Donovan

10. Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable. –PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports02.pdf page 48.

11. At Vesey St. and West St., I could see that 7 WTC was ablaze and damaged, along with other buildings. –M. DeFilippis, PAPD P.O. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports03.pdf page 49

[Note: the fires in 7 were probably not mainly due to damage from the south tower, but from the north.]
12. So yeah then we just stayed on Vesey until building Seven came down. There was nothing we could do. The flames were coming out of every window of that building from the explosion of the south tower. So then building Seven came down. When that started coming down you heard that pancaking sound again everyone jumped up and starts.

Q: Why was building Seven on fire? Was that flaming debris from tower two, from tower two that fell onto that building and lit it on fire?

A: Correct. Because it really got going, that building Seven, saw it late in the day and like the first Seven floors were on fire. It looked like heavy fire on seven floors. It was fully engulfed, that whole building. There were pieces of tower two [sic: he probably means tower one] in building Seven and the corners of the building missing and what-not. But just looking up at it from ground level however many stories -- it was 40 some odd -- you could see the flames going straight through from one side of the building to the other, that’s an entire block. –Firefighter Tiernach Cassidy

13. "We were down about a block from the base of the World Trade Center towers about an hour ago. And there was a great deal of concern at that time, the firemen said building number 7 was going to collapse, building number five was in danger of collapsing. And there's so little they can do to try to fight the fires in these buildings, because the fires are so massive. And so much of the buildings continues to fall into the street. When you're down there, Dan, you hear smaller secondary explosions going off every 15 or 20 minutes, and so it's an extremely dangerous place to be."
–CBS-TV News Reporter Vince DeMentri http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/91...explosions.wmv

14. Well, they said that's (7) fully involved at this time. This was a fully involved building. I said, all right, they're not coming for us for a while. Now you're trapped in this rubble, and you're trying to get a grasp of an idea of what's going on there. I heard on the handy talky that we are now fighting a 40-story building fully involved.

Now you're trapped in the rubble and the guys who are there are fighting the worst high-rise fire in the history of New York or history of the world, probably, I don't know, 40, story building fully involved, I guess that was probably the worst.

I was, needless to say, scared to death that something else was going to fall on us, that this building was going to come down and we were all going to die, after surviving the worst of it. [Note: I deleted the link this account, and searching the net for the text doesn’t turn up anything. This sounds like an account from north tower stairwell B survivor. Anyone who knows for sure, let me know.]

15. And 7 World Trade was burning up at the time. We could see it. ... the fire at 7 World Trade was working its way from the front of the building northbound to the back of the building. There was no way there could be water put on it, because there was no water in the area. –Firefighter Eugene Kelty Jr.

16. The time was approximately 11a.m. Both of the WTC towers were collapsed and the streets were covered with debris. Building #7 was still standing but burning. ...We spoke to with a FDNY Chief who has his men holed up in the US Post Office building. He informed us that the fires in building 7 were uncontrollable and that its collapse was imminent. There were no fires inside the loading dock (of 7) at this time but we could hear explosions deep inside. –PAPD P.O. William Connors http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports04.pdf page 69

17. "There's number Seven World Trade. That's the OEM bunker." We had a snicker about that. We looked over, and it's engulfed in flames and starting to collapse.

We're kind of caught in traffic and people and things, and everything's going on. We hear over the fire portable, "Everybody evacuate the site. It's going to collapse." Mark Steffens starts yelling, "Get out of here! Get out of here! Get out of here! We've got to go! We've got to go! It's going to collapse." I turned around, and I piped up real loud and said, "Stay in the frigging car. Roll the windows up. It's pancake collapsing. We'll be fine. The debris will quit and the cloud will come through. Just stay in the car." We pulled the car over, turned around and just watched it pancake. We had a dust cloud but nothing like it was before. –Paramedic Louis Cook

(Building 7 fire makes rescuer of NT stairwell victim’s route impassable, just before collapse):
I remember it was bad and I'm going to get to a point where we came back that way on the way up. We couldn't even go that way, that's how bad the fire was, but by the time I was coming back it was rolling, more than a couple of floors, just fully involved, rolling.

...So now it's us 4 and we are walking towards it and I remember it would have at one point been an easier path to go towards our right, but being building 7 -- that must have been building 7 I'm guessing with that fire, we decided to stay away from that because things were just crackling, falling and whatnot. So as I’m going back, that fire that was on my right is now on my left. I’m backtracking and that fire is really going and on the hike towards there, we put down our masks, which at this point started to realize maybe it would have been good thing if we had this mask on the way back, but then again between the fire and about halfway when I was on the way back, I got a radio call from the guys that we left and it was Johnny Colon the chauffeur of 43, who was effecting a different rescue. He was carrying somebody out.

He had called me and said “Hey Jerry don’t try and get back out the way you went in which was big heads up move because he said that building was rolling on top of the building that we were passing. That building was on fire and likely to collapse more too.

Between Picciotto asking me are you sure we can get out this way because it really didn’t look good with that fire and my guy telling me that you better not because of the area we crawled in was unattainable now too. ...we started going back the other way.

Q: Would that be towards West Street?

A: That would have been back towards what I know is the Winter Garden....[west]
–Firefighter Gerard Suden

18. I remember Chief Hayden saying to me, "We have a six-story building over there, a seven-story building, fully involved." At that time he said, "7 has got fire on several floors." He said, "We've got a ten-story over there, another ten-story over there, a six-story over there, a 13-story over there." He just looked at me and said, "Fuck 'em all. Let 'em burn." He said, "Just tell the guys to keep looking for guys. Just keep looking for the brothers. We've got people trapped. We've got to get them out." –Lieutenant William Ryan

19. I walked around the building to get back to the command post and that's when they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down. ...They had three floors of fire on three separate floors, probably 10, 11 and 15 it looked like, just burning merrily. It was pretty amazing, you know, it's the afternoon in lower Manhattan, a major high-rise is burning, and they said 'we know.' –FDNY Chief Thomas McCarthy

20. We were champing at the bit," says WCBS-TV reporter Vince DeMentri of his decision to sneak behind police barricades and report from 7 World Trade Center a half-hour before it collapsed. "I knew the story was in there." But after he and his cameraman slipped past officers, they lost all sense of direction. "From outside this zone, you could figure out where everything was," he says. "But inside, it was all destruction and blown-out buildings, and we had no clue. I walked into one building, but I had no idea where I was. The windows were all blown out. Computers, desks, furniture, and people's possessions were strewn all over." He found a picture of a little girl lying in the rubble. Then he realized that No. 7, aflame, was about fifteen to twenty feet ahead of him. "I looked up Barclay Street," he says. "There was nobody out. No bodies, no injured. Nobody. There were mounds of burning debris. It was like opening a broiler." http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/sept11...183/index.html

21. They are worried that number 7 is burning and they are talking about not ceasing operations.
–Deputy Commissioner Frank Gribbon

22. There were hundreds of firefighters waiting to -- they were waiting for 7 World Trade Center to come down as it was on fire. It was too dangerous to go in and fight the fire. –Assistant Commissioner James Drury

23. We assisted some FDNY personnel who were beginning to attempt to fight the fire at 7 WTC. We assisted in dragging hose they needed to bring water into the building. –Kenneth Kohlmann PAPD P.O. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports04.pdf page 26

24. My first thoughts when I came down a little further into the site, south of Chambers Street, was, "Where am I?" I didn't recognize it. Obviously, the towers were gone. The only thing that remained standing was a section of the Vista Hotel. Building 7 was on fire. That was ready to come down. –Charlie Vitchers, Ground Zero Superintendent http://www.pbs.org/americarebuilds/p...itchers_t.html

25. The whole south side of Seven World Trade had been hit by the collapse of the second Tower, and there was fire on every floor." – Fire Captain Brenda Berkman (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 213)

26. At that point, Seven World Trade had 12 stories of fire in it. They were afraid it was going to collapse on us, so they pulled everybody out. We couldn't do anything. – Firefighter Maureen McArdle-Schulman (Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero, 2002, p. 17)

27. The 7 World Trade Center was roaring. All we could think is we were an Engine Company, we have got to get them some water. We need some water you know. With that, we positioned the rig, I don't know, 3 quarters of a block away maybe. A fire boat was going to relay water to us. I don't know if I have things in the right order, whatever, if we were getting water out of a hydrant first. Jesus Christ --
Q. Captain said you were getting water. You were draining a vacuum?
A. It was draining away from us. Right. We had to be augmented. I think that's when the fire boat came. I think the fire boats supplied us. Of course you don't see that. You just see the (inaudible) way and you know, we are hooking up and we wound up supplying the Tower Ladder there. I just remember feeling like helpless, like everybody there was doomed and there is -- I just felt like there was absolutely nothing we could do. I want to just go back a little bit.–Firefighter Kevin Howe

28. "When I got out and onto a clear pile, I see that 7 World Trade Center and the customs house have serious fire. Almost every window has fire. It is an amazing site. –Captain Jay Jonas, Ladder 6. (Dennis Smith. Report From Ground Zero. New York: Viking Penguin, 2002. P. 103)

29. Firefighter TJ Mundy: "The other building, #7, was fully involved, and he was worried about the next collapse." (Dennis Smith. Report From Ground Zero. New York: Viking Penguin, 2002.)

30. 7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved. It was unbelievable. –Firefighter Steve Modica http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/modica.html

31. So I attempted to get in through the Barkley Street ramp which is on Barkley (sic) and West Broadway, but I was being held back by the fire department, because 7 World Trade, which is above the ramp, was now fully engulfed.
–PAPD K-9 Sergeant David Lim http://www.911report.com/media/davidlim.pdf

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

Een aanrader

Ongeidentificeerde vliegtuigen (United Airlines, Boeing 767 ? 747 ?), onzichtbaar vliegtuig Pentagon en geen onderdelen terug te vinden, teruggevonden motor in NY is niet overeenkomstig met die van een Boeing 767, camera die de inslag filmt vanuit een ideale positie vanwege voorkennis, een hoorbare explosie in gebouw 7, controlled demolition en meer...

Dit alles met een aangenaam muziekje + enige kunstwerkjes. Enjoy... (slechts 9.11 minuten)

allemaal crap ... sinds wanneer kan je een onzichtbaar vliegtuig zien

[eti1777]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

Dat moet je mij toch eens uitleggen dan !
alle gevonden onderdelen matchen met het type toestel dat vlucht 77 was(een 757) .

Maar dat er zich onderaan de torens een motor bevind die niet afkomstig is van een 767 is normaal?

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

... teruggevonden motor in NY is niet overeenkomstig met die van een Boeing 767

En hoe "de denials" hier weer gaan kronkelen en uitwijken.

American Airlines Flight 11
Date Tuesday, September 11, 2001 (2001-09-11)
Type Suicide Hijacking
Site World Trade Center
Passengers 81 (including 5 hijackers)
Crew 11
Fatalities All 92 in aircraft, and approximately 1,600 (including jumpers and emergency workers) at the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
Survivors 0
Aircraft type Boeing 767-223ER
Operator American Airlines
Tail number N334AA

United Airlines Flight 175
Date Tuesday, September 11, 2001 (2001-09-11)
Type Suicide Hijacking
Site World Trade Center
Passengers 56 (including 5 hijackers)
Crew 9
Fatalities All 65 in aircraft, and approximately 900 (including jumpers and emergency workers) at the South Tower of the World Trade Center.
Survivors 0
Aircraft type Boeing 767-222
Operator United Airlines
Tail number N612UA

http://worldearth.org/Conspiracies/911/WTC/STengine.htm

South Tower Flight UA175 Dropped WRONG Engine In NYC Street

By Jon Carlson




In December, 2005, The Power Hour interviewed aircraft experts about the South Tower crash aircraft:

Col. George Nelson USAF (ret.), who has 30 years of experience identifying aircraft and aircraft parts stated, “The plane that hit the south tower on 9/11 was not United Airlines (UA) flight 175”. After reviewing numerous video clips and photographs of the 9/11 attacks, he concluded, “That was not a commercial airliner. The planes were substituted.”
Glen Standish, an airline pilot for over 20 years stated, “The plane seen in various video clips of the attack could not have been UA flight 175, due to the extra equipment that appears to be attached to the bottom of the fuselage”.
Nila Sagadevin, a seasoned airline pilot of over 20 years, examined photos of the engine that was found at the Trade Center site. He stated, “The engine found at the Trade Center was a CFM-56, which is not utilized on a Boeing 767”, confirming that the south tower was not hit by flight 175, but by another plane that had taken its place.
From: http://www.thepowerhour.com/press_release/press13.htm

The Power Hour encouraged our research from the beginning and have received all of our 9/11 photos and analysis. NOW those photos of the NYC Boeing 737 engine, NOT a Flight 175 Boeing 767 engine as alleged by the Bush Administration mass murderers are ON DISPLAY.

This display shows an intact CFM56 engine: