De grote 9/11 topic

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Iets duidelijker worden : WTC 7 is plots VOLLEDIG KAARSRECHT INGESTORT.

Waarom het woordje plots dan ? Het is overigens in 2 fases ingestort! bekijk de VOLLEDIGE VIDEOS maar eens.

WTC 3 is een langwerpig gebouw met toch 22 verdiepingen (WTC 7 : 47) heeft veel meer schade en brand als WTC 7 en toch blijven er uiteindelijk nog 4 verdiepingen steeds kaarsrecht staan.

Het beeldmateriaal dat van WTC 7 is getoond laat de branden van die ochtend zien , welke zich nog nauwelijks ontwikkelt hadden . Later in de middag gingen de branden volledig los !! Er werd niet geblust en de sprinklers waren deffect. Dus veel minder brand was er in gebouw 7 zeker niet.

Dat WTC 7 met 47 bredere verdiepingen een veel hoger puin moet geven als WTC 3 met 22 smallere verdiepingen begrijp ik, maar wat me stoort is dat WTC 3 nog 4 volledige verdiepingen kaarsrecht oprecht blijven terwijl WTC 7 uiteindelijk volledig bijna plat ligt, hoe kan dat nu ?.

1: WTC 3 en 4 worden vanaf boven door puin geraakt , en WTC 7 onderin

2: En natuurlijk het volgende : WTC 7 had een verdieping boven de plaats waar de kolommen het begaven. als een dergelijke massa eenmaal in beweging komt is het niet meer te stoppen. Wie dat niet kan begrijpen moet zich schamen.

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The building was fully involved in fire." – Photographer Steve Spak

"I had a clear view down Washington Street of Building Seven, which was on the north edge of the site. All forty-seven stories were on fire. It was wild. The MPs said the building was going to collapse. I said, "Nah, I don't know." And then all of a sudden I watched the building shake like an earthquake hit it, and the building came down." –Ground Zero Superintendant Charlie Vitchers (Glenn Stout, Charles Vitchers, and Robert Gray. Nine Months at Ground Zero. Scribner, 2006 15-16) Note: Vitchers may have only seen the building from the north side. There may not have been visible fires on most floors there. His quote is included to show how impressive the scene was.

First responder accounts

Unless otherwise noted, accounts are from the FDNY oral history transcripts.

1. We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

2. ...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn

3. I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../visconti.html

4. All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members. –Firefighter Marcel Klaes

5. When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)

6. The concern there again, it was later in the afternoon, 2, 2:30, like I said. The fear then was Seven. Seven was free burning. Search had been made of 7 already from what they said so they had us back up to that point where we were waiting for 7 to come down to operate from the north back down. –Captain Robert Sohmer http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110472.PDF

7. Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring. –FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry Kelly.

8. At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. –Firefighter Vincent Massa




10. Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable. –PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports02.pdf page 48.

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

amaai een zin met negen woorden dat zijn we niet gewoon van u, normaal geraak je niet verder dan een smiley, doen je hersenen (alle ja)niet pijn nu?

Ik heb hier al 100.000-den worden gepost ... en stuk voor stuk interessanter dan uwe onzinnige mikmak

Lees deze anders eens :-p

[Dixie]

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The building was fully involved in fire." – Photographer Steve Spak

"I had a clear view down Washington Street of Building Seven, which was on the north edge of the site. All forty-seven stories were on fire. It was wild. The MPs said the building was going to collapse. I said, "Nah, I don't know." And then all of a sudden I watched the building shake like an earthquake hit it, and the building came down." –Ground Zero Superintendant Charlie Vitchers (Glenn Stout, Charles Vitchers, and Robert Gray. Nine Months at Ground Zero. Scribner, 2006 15-16) Note: Vitchers may have only seen the building from the north side. There may not have been visible fires on most floors there. His quote is included to show how impressive the scene was.

First responder accounts

Unless otherwise noted, accounts are from the FDNY oral history transcripts.

1. We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert Larocco

2. ...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn

3. I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../visconti.html

4. All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members. –Firefighter Marcel Klaes

5. When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)

6. The concern there again, it was later in the afternoon, 2, 2:30, like I said. The fear then was Seven. Seven was free burning. Search had been made of 7 already from what they said so they had us back up to that point where we were waiting for 7 to come down to operate from the north back down. –Captain Robert Sohmer http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110472.PDF

7. Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring. –FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry Kelly.

8. At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. –Firefighter Vincent Massa




10. Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable. –PAPD P.O. Edward McQuade http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-...-reports02.pdf page 48.

doe geen moeite de truthers blijven toch hun onzin spuien

[atmosphere]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

Ik heb hier al 100.000-den worden gepost ... en stuk voor stuk interessanter dan uwe onzinnige mikmak

En dan kunt u nu alles af doen met one-liners ??

[parcifal]

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En dan kunt u nu alles af doen met one-liners ??

Dat is nu eenmaal zijn signature style :


:-p

[Dixie]

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En dan kunt u nu alles af doen met one-liners ??

wees blij normaal is het enkel een smiley

[Gun]

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En dan kunt u nu alles af doen met one-liners ??

Was een tijd (9 maand) bewust werkloos (zonder uitkering BTW )

Die periode veel tijd en energie gestopt in de geschiedenis van onze aardkloot de laatste 150 jaar

100-den boeken gelezen ... enorm veel bijgeleerd

Nu (veel) minder tijd ... maar de kennis en wetenschap is er nog steeds

[Gun]

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Maak eens een volledige balans op van de "winsten" van Silverstein.

Oh ja, enkele kleine details niet vergeten: hij derft al sinds 9/11 de huurinkomsten van WTC 1/2, de lease blijft hij wel betalen, en hij moet de torens heropbouwen.

Da's nog een leukerd ...

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

Was een tijd (9 maand) bewust werkloos (zonder uitkering BTW )

Die periode veel tijd en energie gestopt in de geschiedenis van onze aardkloot de laatste 150 jaar

100-den boeken gelezen ... enorm veel bijgeleerd

Nu (veel) minder tijd ... maar de kennis en wetenschap is er nog steeds

Betreffende 9/11 heel duidelijk niet , of alleen vanuit het complot perspectief.

[Micele]

Boeh !

[eti1777]

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Betreffende 9/11 heel duidelijk niet , of alleen vanuit het complot perspectief.

Toch raar dan dat Gun, in tegenstelling tot jullie, de flaters achterwege laat...

[Dixie]

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Betreffende 9/11 heel duidelijk niet , of alleen vanuit het complot perspectief.

de complotters weten van geen hout pijlen meer te maken

[Micele]

boe

[Svennies]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eti1777

Toch raar dan dat Gun, in tegenstelling tot jullie, de flaters achterwege laat...

Dit zei Dennis Cimino...

first, I have a lot of stuff, as it's been a long time since I posted in the forum, about FLT-77 and the incongruencies between the N.T.S.B. *ahem* re-creation, allegedly based on the
FDR data from the aircraft registered in the F.A.A. registry as N644AA, which was an earlier model B-757 with '2' Rolls Royce RB-211 engines, and no in flight seat back phones. (per David Ray Griffin's excellent and extensive research that goes to the fact that the F.B.I. now won't substantiate any phone calls allegedly from this airplane, not even the infamous Babs Olson one., due to hard work and research done by Dr. Griffin.)....

Then we get to the rudder movements on this plane. And I have had discussions about this with other pilots, and they either are amputee's or they fly flat footed all day long and never use rudders ever. I think Boeing and Airbus might go the 'aercoupe' route and get rid of the rudder pedals altogether, it's about forty pounds of weight they could be garnering revenue from, and not paying fuel to haul around...because in this flight, that set of rudder pedals on AA-77, or N644AA, are mighty dead. They don't even really twitch, let alone show any pilot imputs on them. Now, granted, inexperienced pilots with zero flight experience might ignore rudders for a bit, but to do coordinated flight with the black ball in the bars indicating no skid or slip is going on, they had to use them when the A/P and rudder trim weren't taking care of it. Not the case on this plane. Matter of fact, on the final dive to the building, at 460 plus knots, nary a twitch of rudder. Hmmmm??....

So I clearly have many many many problems with this from any number of standpoints, the most significant one is the bogus FDR data that is non-reality, which you so faithfully, painstakingly decoded the 4 seconds that the N.T.S.B. swears on a stack of bibles more or less, that it was unable to decode. Something is seriously wrong with this entire picture, and I am not accusing either of you of being putzes, but I think that you miss a whole lot of valid, very real reasons your assertions cannot stand in a reality based world of real aeronautics, real physics, and real airplane flight limits, when 'incompetent' pilots were allegedly performing these feats of magic you show in your paper. It's just not real, guys!

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/i...howtopic=20999

[Micele]

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de complotters weten van geen hout pijlen meer te maken

En nu in ´t Nederlands.

Wat voor kemels in een zin, zelfs bij een eenvoudige uitdrukking...

Juist:
... weten niet meer van welk hout pijlen te maken.

http://www.vlaamswoordenboek.be/definities/toon/11224
hout, niet meer weten van welk ~ pijlen maken (uitdr.)
ten einde raad, radeloos

Van Dale 2005: (algemeen Belgisch-Nederlands) niet meer weten van welk hout pijlen ‘te’ maken

Fonske zit zo in de problemen en de schulden dat hij niet meer weet van welk hout pijlen maken.

Neen neen het is Dixietje.

[Dixie]

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... weten niet meer van welk hout pijlen te maken.

zelfs Nederlands hebben de complotters niet onder de knie wat een hilarische bende

[eti1777]

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zelfs Nederlands hebben de complotters niet onder de knie wat een hilarische bende

Wat zijn complotters?

[alain_bergmann]

9/11 was een werk die door de VS regering uitgevoerd werd om een strijd tegen terrorisme op te richten, een grote voordeel voor de VS overheid vandaag kunnen ze met of zonder reden een persoon, organisatie of zelfs het hele land terroristisch verklaren en beginnen zo maar te bombarderen

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Nergens voor nodig om dat zelf uit te voeren, hun buitenlands beleid had al zo veel haat veroorzaakt dat een aanslag te verwachten was.