DE GROTE EURO ZONE CRISIS : The Endgame

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door D'ARTOIS

Voorzover al niet aanwezig, begin ik een bloedhekel te krijgen aan al die liegende en bedriegende Eurokloten die - tegen ieder beter weten in - nog proberen hun gammele staketsel van financiele misere en puinhopen overeind te houden.

Een stel belachelijke idioten die ten koste van enorme sommen hun even belachelijke ideeen trachten te handhaven. Zij zijn bereid daarvoor uw financiele toekomst te laten slachtofferen. Let wel! die van u - niet die van henzelf.

Inderdaad best @D'ARTOIS. En spoedig zal men gebruik maken van de huidige crisis om het ESM, Fiscale Unie, Eurobonds/obligaties, de politieke unie der eurozone en meer van al dat fraais in ons strot te rammen. In kleine donkere kamertjes wordt ondertussen druk vergaderd om te beslissen hoe ze dit, op de steeds geraffineerde eurocratische wijze, zullen bewerkstelligen.

Ondertussen groeperen de latijnse landen zich in 1 groep en zijn ze begonnen met het opleggen van hun eisen aan het Noorden. Spanje vond zelfs even de tijd om hun financiele toestand adhv Griekse methodes op te blinken...

DWN - Falsche Defizit-Zahlen: EU schickt Kontrolleure nach Spanien

DWN - Hollande will Rekapitalisierung spanischer Banken

DWN - Südeuropäer drängen weiter auf Eurobonds

DWN - Merkel gibt nach: Euro-Projekt-Bonds kommen als Vorstufe zu Eurobonds

Rutte wijst eurobonds pertinent af
_{CHICAGO - Premier Mark Rutte voelt niets voor zogenoemde eurobonds, waardoor probleemlanden in de eurozone goedkoper geld kunnen lenen. Hij heeft dat maandag duidelijk gemaakt aan de voorzitter van de Europese Commissie, José Manuel Barroso}.

FTD - Asmussen plädiert für zwei Europas

Laten we hopen dat morgen tijdens de crisisvergadering der 'groei' Noord en Zuid clashen. Zoniet krijgen we vlugger dan ooit het ESM (de aanzet naar een onaanraakbare Europese regering), de eurobonds, de FU etc... en dat beste Eurovrienden zal de laatste fase inluiden... totale chaos, dictatuur en armoede voor de EU.

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Het gaat spannend worden vandaag op de crisisvergadering

Duitsland wil geen Eurobonds !!!


FT - Germany rules out common euro bonds


<sub>Germany refused to share the debt burden of stressed eurozone peers on Tuesday, ignoring two of the most influential international economic bodies which offered support for proposals championed by Paris, Rome and Brussels ahead of a summit.

Angela Merkel, Germany’s chancellor, has argued that any co-mingling of eurozone debt would remove incentives for southern economies to adopt structural reforms.

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The euro bonds debate could produce fireworks between Mr Hollande and Ms Merkel – a possibility that has captivated officials involved, given the comparatively harmonious Franco-German relationship in the latter years of Nicolas Sarkozy’s tenure. But most diplomats believe Ms Merkel would succeed in blocking any proposal, producing more smoke than fire.

“They say that when Germany and France don’t co-operate, we have a problem,” one senior diplomat from a smaller EU country said. “And when they do, we have a problem, too.”

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Een interessant opiniestuk

ZERO HEDGE - On Growing Tensions, Spreading Global Downturn And A Dead-End Greek Resolution

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Growing Tensions

Anti-austerity demonstrations in Frankurt. Massive emigration out of Spain. Student bombings in Italy. Suicides in Greece, along with a run on the banks. Camp David discord with Germany. Unusual nuclear war talk out of Russia.

The euro area fiscal and banking crisis is taking on a certain destabilizing geopolitical tone.

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Hollande wil 12.5 % van de welvaart naar het Zuiden exporteren, dat alvast schreef hij in 1991 in zijn boek "L’heure des choix, pour une économie politique"

The Slog - FRANCOIS HOLLANDE: Take another look
Hollande is a Big State EUphile who may yet save the Union


<sub>A regular Slogger has pointed me at an obscure book, L’heure des choix, pour une économie politique. Francois Hollande wrote it in 1991 with fellow-author Pierre Moscovici, and nobody would give it a second look were it not for the fact that Hollande makes a remarkably prescient observation at one point.

Still mercifully to be created at some time in the future, EMU (European Monetary Union) has nevertheless been an obsessive discussion topic amongst europhile social democrats since forever. (In case you were harbouring thoughts about Hollande being a closet UKipper, forget it: he is as Leftie Superstate as they come.)

They key opinion expressed by the two authors back in 1991 was that a single currency could only work if there was, beforehand, a transfer of wealth from northern to southern Europe…in the region of 12.5%.

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So that’s good news for those of us who want rid of the EU, right? Wrong.

Hollande is far from being some sort of Old Left bogeyman: he is an admirer of Tony Blair’s Third Way (if socialism doesn’t work the first two times, dump it) and was quite happy with the reformist ‘Anglo-Saxon’ European Constitution that was rejected: in 2004 he was highly influential in persuading the Socialist Party to vote yes in the referendum.

There is a central (and vital) point I’m making here: Hollande is a bringer-together, not a divider…and he is a committed European. This morning after reviewing the 1991 book’s contents, I spoke with an influential UMP contact in Paris.

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Het IMF verwittigt het VK : wat te doen om te overleven na het einde van de Euro Zone ?

express uk - IMF: BRITAIN SHOULD SLASH INTEREST RATES ‘TO ZERO’ TO SURVIVE EURO COLLAPSE
George Osborne listens to Christine Lagarde, the MD of the IMF at a conference

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another prophet of disister

[kelt]

Het is nu wel duidelijk dat het laten "geld tanken" bij de ECB door de noodlijdende semi-privé-bankensector ,na twee jaar,geen soelaas biedt.....
Die banken die ECB-geld "van de pomp" nodig hebben zijn vrijwel allemaal nog steeds ondergekapitaliseerd en,erger nog,er is geen waarneembaar gunstige invloed op de economie noch op de stabiliteit van de financiele sector...

Anders gezegd,de banken vragen ons vertrouwen,maar ze vertrouwen elkaar nog niet eens...tsja.....

Wat wel duidelijk waarneembaar is,is dat de overheidsfinancien in Europa,de een na de ander scheef BLIJVEN hangen

....dit is niet veel langer houdbaar,dit "medicijn" werkt niet.

[Bolleke Wol]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kelt

Het is nu wel duidelijk dat het laten "geld tanken" bij de ECB door de noodlijdende semi-privé-bankensector ,na twee jaar,geen soelaas biedt.....
Die banken die ECB-geld "van de pomp" nodig hebben zijn vrijwel allemaal nog steeds ondergekapitaliseerd en,erger nog,er is geen waarneembaar gunstige invloed op de economie noch op de stabiliteit van de financiele sector...

Anders gezegd,de banken vragen ons vertrouwen,maar ze vertrouwen elkaar nog niet eens...tsja.....

Wat wel duidelijk waarneembaar is,is dat de overheidsfinancien in Europa,de een na de ander scheef BLIJVEN hangen

....dit is niet veel langer houdbaar,dit "medicijn" werkt niet.

zaagt zo niet, rampprofeet.

[Bolleke Wol]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door de Wakkere burger

another prophet of disister

Leer eerst eens deftig Engels vooraleer je daar stoer probeert in te doen.
Dan kan je misschien ineens ook die artikels eens lezen.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door de Wakkere burger

another prophet of disister

Di Rupo ?

Desalniettemin, op Uw verzoek ;

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

Inderdaad best @D'ARTOIS. En spoedig zal men gebruik maken van de huidige crisis om het ESM, Fiscale Unie, Eurobonds/obligaties, de politieke unie der eurozone en meer van al dat fraais in ons strot te rammen. In kleine donkere kamertjes wordt ondertussen druk vergaderd om te beslissen hoe ze dit, op de steeds geraffineerde eurocratische wijze, zullen bewerkstelligen.

Ondertussen groeperen de latijnse landen zich in 1 groep en zijn ze begonnen met het opleggen van hun eisen aan het Noorden. Spanje vond zelfs even de tijd om hun financiele toestand adhv Griekse methodes op te blinken...

DWN - Falsche Defizit-Zahlen: EU schickt Kontrolleure nach Spanien

DWN - Hollande will Rekapitalisierung spanischer Banken

DWN - Südeuropäer drängen weiter auf Eurobonds

DWN - Merkel gibt nach: Euro-Projekt-Bonds kommen als Vorstufe zu Eurobonds

Rutte wijst eurobonds pertinent af
_{CHICAGO - Premier Mark Rutte voelt niets voor zogenoemde eurobonds, waardoor probleemlanden in de eurozone goedkoper geld kunnen lenen. Hij heeft dat maandag duidelijk gemaakt aan de voorzitter van de Europese Commissie, José Manuel Barroso}.

FTD - Asmussen plädiert für zwei Europas

Laten we hopen dat morgen tijdens de crisisvergadering der 'groei' Noord en Zuid clashen. Zoniet krijgen we vlugger dan ooit het ESM (de aanzet naar een onaanraakbare Europese regering), de eurobonds, de FU etc... en dat beste Eurovrienden zal de laatste fase inluiden... totale chaos, dictatuur en armoede voor de EU.

Ondertussen weinig nieuws van deze groeitop van 23 Mei 2012.

Of toch enkel dit, blijkbaar gaat er een wens in vervulling... CLASH !!!!!

Zoals gisteren vermeld, er broeit iets tussen Zuid en Noord...

GUARDIAN - Eurozone crisis: Germany and France clash over eurobonds at summit
French president François Hollande marks his Brussels debut by challenging chancellor Angela Merkel over bailout


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A special EU summit marking the debut of France's President François Hollande saw him challenge Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, on the euro, arguing that the pooling of eurozone debt liability – eurobonds – had to be retained as an option for saving the currency. Merkel has ruled out eurobonds as illegal under current EU law.

The fissure between Paris and Berlin widened further when Hollande also called for the eurozone's new bailout vehicle to be allowed to draw funds from the European Central Bank and recapitalise banks directly. Both proposals are being fiercely resisted by Berlin and are also currently impossible under EU law.

Senior German government officials insisted that eurobonds should not even be discussed at the Brussels summit. However, the Hollande team maintained that all topics were on the table and intimated that France could refuse to ratify Merkel's fiscal pact compelling debt and deficit reduction in the eurozone unless eurobonds were recognised as a possible potential tool.

The Franco-German clash was framed in terms of the German-backed austerity measures which have dominated for the past two years against a new French-led drive for growth policies at a time of record eurozone unemployment.

A series of marginal measures likely to be agreed entailing use of EU funds and increased capital for the European Investment Bank to finance growth projects were criticised by economists and analysts as "a PR exercise". Hollande's advisers also said they were inadequate to the scale of the challenge confronting a eurozone which could unravel.

In what appeared to be a shot across the bows of the French, meanwhile, Germany's central bank warned for the first time that if the Greek crisis came to a head, Germany's and the eurozone's interests would be best served by Greece's exit from the currency.

According to the Reuters news agency, the 17 governments of the eurozone were told on Monday to draw up individual contingency plans for a Greek exit. The Greek government denied that such an instruction was issued, but not before investors, fearful of a disorderly break-up of the euro, led a sell-off on global stock markets. The FTSE 100 fell 136 points, or 2.53%, while the leading indexes in France and Germany saw similar declines

The Bundesbank in Frankfurt said that Greece was threatening to renege on the terms of its €130bn (£104bn) euro bailout. "The challenge this would create for the euro area and Germany would be considerable but manageable," the statement said. "By contrast, a significant dilution of existing agreements would damage confidence in all euro area agreements and treaties … calling into question the institutional status quo."

The timing of the Bundesbank warning appeared to be directed at the talks. It said that given the risks involved in bailing out Greece, eurozone governments should reconsider their lifeline to Athens.

No decisions were expected. Herman Van Rompuy, who was chairing the summit, said there should be no taboos and appeared to support French pressure for a discussion of eurobonds by calling for a debate on longer-term integration measures in the monetary union.

Merkel appeared isolated, while Hollande enjoyed the discreet support of the Spanish and Italian governments as well as the European commission, which is now backing the drafting of a "road-map" on the medium-term prospects for eurobonds. In his mediating role, Van Rompuy, the president of the European Council, is also expected to establish a eurobonds feasibility study.

With Berlin and Paris looking seriously at odds, no hard decisions are expected until the end of next month and after the Greek elections and French parliamentary poll on 17 June. That suggests weeks of greater uncertainty and friction between Germany and France which will unsettle the financial markets even more.

Fresh from the G8 Camp David summit at the weekend, Hollande also sought to play the American card, referring to the efficacy of Brady bonds used by the US to solve the Latin American debt crisis of the 1980s. Merkel responded that eurobonds would "not make any contribution to stimulating growth".

It emerged that the Obama administration had sought at the weekend to "impose" a much tougher G8 declaration on the crisis in the eurozone, but that Merkel had fiercely resisted and that the summit communique had to be rewritten as the US draft was too "awkward".

The growing international exasperation with the Europeans' halting response to the crisis was echoed by Nick Clegg, the deputy prime minister.

In a speech in Berlin he said that some world leaders "are saying behind capped hands that Europe is now congenitally incapable of exercising the leadership needed and it might be in everyone's interests if Greece left the euro".

Clegg added: "We must build a firewall big enough and strong enough to stop the flames from spreading." But Britain is not involved and refuses to take part in the rescue effort.

Senior EU officials also voiced exasperation over some of the recent statements from David Cameron, the prime minister, advising the eurozone what to do.

Despite the differences between Paris and Berlin, Hollande and Merkel, say well-placed sources, are united in opposing a Greek exit from the euro in the belief that keeping Greece in will be hugely expensive but nonetheless much cheaper than letting it go. "There are too many unknowns," said the source.

But Merkel and Hollande disagree on tactics towards Greece, with the French favouring sending a signal on easing the schedule for Greek deficit reduction while the Germans believe this would encourage Athens to compromise on the austerity measures.</sub>


Frankrijk en Duitsland willen vanwege de onvoorspelbare gevolgen van de Grexit Griekenland weldegelijk in de euro houden, maar nee hoor, Merkel wil niet weten van Eurobonds die de latijnse landen nog meer toegang tot geld van de noordelijke landen zou verschaffen. Deze euro obligaties zouden trouwens onwettelijk zijn.

Op naar 17 juni... Dus nog een maandje wachten terwijl de markten uiterst onrustig zijn en de euro doelloos verderzwalpt op het sop der vlokken schuim die de fatale convultie aankondigen.

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Wat Karel De Gucht onlangs niet mocht verkondigen mag nu wel door iedereen bevestigd worden.

Vanackere doet er nog een schepje bovenop en vergelijkt de Grexit met terreuraanslagen.

HLN - Vanackere bevestigt bestaan exitscenario-noodplan


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"We moeten ons blijven inspannen om een exitscenario te vermijden, maar dat betekent niet dat we ons niet voorbereiden op gebeurtenisssen ('eventualities'). Ik denk dat veel landen noodplannen hebben voor de zaken die ze ten allen prijze willen vermijden, zoals terreuraanvallen. Zeggen dat we geen noodplan hebben, zou onverantwoord zijn."

Europees Commissaris Karel De Gucht veroorzaakte vorige week al een stormpje toen hij toegaf dat er aan noodplannen wordt gewerkt. De persdienst van de Commissie ontkende meteen dat er met een "exitscenario" van Griekenland rekening wordt gehouden.

Intussen raakte bekend dat de werkgroep die de bijeenkomsten van de eurogroep voorbereidt overeengekomen zou zijn dat elk euroland zich moet voorbereiden op een Griekse exit. Het Griekse ministerie van Financiën ontkent dat nieuws evenwel.

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Tevens kan men opmerken dat de mensen politici mogen liegen als het verantwoord is en stoppen met liegen als het onverantwoord is...

Liegende bedriegende terroristische eurocraten !!!

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Duitsland wil Griekenland niet meer helpen. (Het groei diner = een avondje blufpoker ?)

TELEGRAPH - Debt crisis: Germany holds a gun to Greece's head
Pressure on Greece increased dramatically on Wednesday night after Germany's central bank called for a suspension of financial support to Athens and eurozone finance ministries agreed to draft contingency plans for a Greek exit from the euro.



<sub>In a blunt warning to Athens, the Bundesbank said a Greek withdrawal from the eurozone would be disruptive but "manageable", undermining claims by Greece's radical anti-austerity leader, Alexis Tsipras, that Europe would not dare pull the plug.

"When the Eurosystem provided Greece with large amounts of liquidity, it trusted that the programmes would be implemented and thereby ultimately assumed considerable risks," said the bank. "In the light of the current situation, it should not significantly increase these risks."

The German financial daily Handelsblatt said the Bundesbank was "holding a gun to Greece's head", hammering home the message that Germany will not submit to blackmail from populist politicians in Athens.

Berlin also leaked news that their member on the European Central Bank board, Jürg Asmussen, is to head an ECB taskforce to handle the Greek crisis.

There was confusion in Brussels over leaks that EMU finance ministry officials had agreed in a meeting on Monday – allegedly in the name of Eurogroup executives – that each state should draw up a national plan to cope with a Greek exit.

Athens issued an angry denial, saying the claims were false. The European Commission stressed that it was not told about the meeting, even though it is a member of the working group. "We are not preparing such a plan, though we are ready to face any eventuality," said an official.

There were suspicions that Germany had leaked its own proposal without gaining the assent of other EU states. The move has further poisoned the atmosphere, though officials played down the exit plans last night. The escalating brinkmanship between Athens and EMU's creditor powers came as European leaders gathered in Brussels last night for a "growth dinner", an agenda already overtaken by fast-moving events.

Disarray in Europe and fears of an unstoppable Greek exit sent markets into a tailspin. The FTSE 100 lost 2.53pc, and the German DAX dropped 2.3pc. Spain's IBEX slumped 3.3pc to a nine-year low. The euro tumbled almost a cent to $1.2566 against the dollar, the lowest since August 2010. Spain's 10-year bond yields jumped to 6.14pc.

The summit was a polite showdown between Germany and an emerging "Latin Bloc" led by France, Italy and Spain, determined to force a change in the Europe's strategic direction. The Latin coalition wants eurobonds to kickstart growth and mutualise debts, anathema to Germany, as well as EMU-wide deposit guarantees and an activist ECB. Chancellor Angela Merkel has ruled out eurobonds, although there could still be room for project bonds or short-term "euro-bills".

Spanish leader Mariano Rajoy warned that spiralling borrowing costs were pushing his country towards the brink. "Europe has to come up with an answer because we can't go on like this for long," he said. Mr Rajoy said austerity efforts were being overwhelmed by the force of the crisis, blaming the ECB for failure to contain contagion by capping yields.

"The policies that we Europeans believe in, such as controlling state spending and reforms to boost growth, ultimately have no effect," he said in Paris after a pre-summit tete-a-tete with French president Francois Hollande. Their encounter is itself evidence of Europe's changing dynamics, a break with the tradition of Franco-German axis.

Britain's David Cameron – attacked at home for austerity policies – is in the odd position of backing stimulus policies in Europe. "What we need is a decisive plan for Greece, and decisive plans to help get the European economies moving," he said before the dinner.

Christine Lagarde, head of the International Monetary Fund, ratcheted up the pressure on Greece, confirming that the fund was bracing for exit. "Officials must be prepared for all solutions," she said.

She said Greeks could not tear up the bail-out terms of the EU-IMF "Troika" and expect to stay in the euro. Yet she hinted that creditors might be willing to modify their loan terms to defuse the crisis – and help Greece's pro-bail-out parties before elections on June 17. She said euro members "may consider the integrity of the zone to be more important".

Her comments reflect thinking in the Latin states, not Germany, which has a veto on aid payments. The issue may come to a head rapidly since Greece will run out of money for state operations by mid-June, due to falling tax revenues.

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De Financial Times produceerde een mooie stroomdiagram die aangeeft wat we zoal kunnen verwachten van de Euro Zone crisis en de Grexit...

Op de site van FT, kan U de interactieve flow chart doorlopen adhv het drukken op de knopjes 1 tot 4. Audio zal U tijdens tijdens elk scenario begeleiden.
***Een aanrader***

Ga onmiddelijk naar Financial Times - Consequences of a Greek eurozone exit

of bekijk eerst volgend opwarmertje...

ZERO HEDGE - Flowcharting The Eurocalypse



_{We have laid out in great detail over the past few months the contagious paths, game-theoretical endgames, and transmission channels that would occur should a nation (Greece for example) leave the Euro. Yet the covered matter is not simple, which is why sometimes the best representation is the visual one. The Financial Times has outdone themselves with the best graphical (and audio walkthrough) representation of this process. From the collapse of the domestic banking system (and its possible social implications) to the creation of a new 'local' currency absent foreign capital aid, to the obvious 'who's next?' question that leads inevitably to exaggerated bank runs across other weak European nations and ultimately more pressure on already weak economies to exit the Euro - hastening a wholesale Euro-breakup. Eurocalypse now indeed.}

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Nu het overduidelijk is dat de Zuid-Europese landen eurobonds eisen en Merkel ronduit tegen deze eurobligaties is, komt Het Laatste Nieuws met volgend nieuwtje...

HLN - "Geen vraag onmiddellijke invoering van euro-obligaties"
Geen enkele Europese leider vraagt de onmiddellijke invoering van euro-obligaties. Dat heeft Europees Raadsvoorzitter Herman Van Rompuy gezegd na afloop van een Europese top in Brussel. Van Rompuy moet tegen eind juni wel de basis leggen voor een verdere verdieping van de muntunie.
<sub>"Verscheidene leiders spraken over euro-obligaties, maar dat was in het kader van een verdere verdieping van de economische en monetaire unie. Niemand vroeg de onmiddellijke invoering ervan. Het is het einde van een lang proces, waarbij ook de juridische implicaties bekeken moeten worden", deed Van Rompuy het relaas van het debat.

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Alvast, Merkel - Hollande : 1 - 0

Verder bracht het groei diner dus niets wezenlijks op... Mooi zo.

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Na dit light bericht keren we terug naar de realiteit.

De latijnse landen willen de euro obligaties maar Merkel wil dat dus niet en bovendien is het uitgeven van deze eurobonds onwettig. Zodoende werd een akkoord aangaande deze obligaties niet bereikt.

Blijkbaar was er nog een ander conflict. David Cameron haalde fel uit naar zijn collega's coupplegers vanwege het heropleven van de voorstellen om financiele transacties te belasten...

TELEGRAPH - Debt crisis: as it happened, May 23, 2012
David Cameron lashes out at fellow EU leaders for reviving a proposal for a financial transaction tax, as EU leaders fail to reach accord on a proposal for eurobonds following a six hour working dinner in Brussels.

<sub>01.52 So. Another summit over, and we're already looking to the next one to provide us with any answers. There was talk of eurobonds, but as long as Germany refuses to play ball, they won't become a reality. There was also more talk of a financial transactions tax, but David Cameron said he would "fight it all the way". Meanwhile, Greece is still in danger of collapse.

It looks like it's going to take a few more dinners before everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet.

01.35 And here's what Christopher Hope made of it all:

Take home fact from the European Union summit? The EU leaders' meeting broke up at around 12.30pm, UK time, after spending just an hour - out of around six hours of talks - discussing the crisis in Greece.

Oh, and the EU leaders are still pushing the Financial Transactions Tax, despite real fears about the future of the eurozone. Speaking shortly afterwards, Mr Cameron disclosed that the other eurozone leaders tried again to push the case for a financial transaction tax.

Mr Cameron said it was a "good meeting" and there were some "innovative ideas" about boosting growth in Europe. But he added:

"Then there was some bad ideas too. The Financial Transactions Tax is a bad idea - it will put up the cost of people's insurance, put up the cost of people's pensions, it will coost many, many jobs. It will make Europe less competitive and I will fight it all the way."

01.25 So what to make of tonight's "preparing the ground" summit? Bruno Waterfield sums it up as a "vanity summit for Hollande":

Mr Hollande was able to come and say that he got a commitment to look at the eurobonds issue, credit lines for banks, FTT, etc, but the problem is that he also got all the usual suspects raising their objections, while a sense of doom on Greece overshadowed the whole affair.

One thing is new, six months after Britain's veto of a new EU treaty - the issue is back. After tonight's six hour dinner the eurozone is no closer to solving its problems and the EU's single currency looks no more secure.

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Als afsluiter...

Telegraph - Mr Van Rompuy's statement in full. (pdf)

Daar kan men oa. lezen wat hier onlangs letterlijk in deze draad gepost werd...

nl.
Besparingen en groei zijn geen tegengestelden, maar het zijn twee kanten van eenzelfde muntstuk.

[Antoon]

En? Leuk zo'n monoloog waar niemand naar luistert?

[Bolleke Wol]

Gaat het je verstand te boven?

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

En? Leuk zo'n monoloog waar niemand naar luistert?

Ja hoor, maar het is alvast niet alle dagen even leuk.

Dank U voor het onderbreken van de monoloog.

Hoe gaat het met U beste @Antoon ?

Verder nog iets OT te vermelden ? Graag.