Samenzweringen zijn besmettelijk

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Dit is zo een zever argument. Tuurlijk ben je wat met je technische of anatomische kennis dat je opgebouw heb tijdens je opleiding. Dit is iets heel anders dan je op de wetenschap beroepen om uitspraken te doen over de onwaarheid van wat anderen beweren, zonder het zelf te onderzoeken.

Onderzoek is waardeloos als het niet gebeurd zoals het hoort.

Wat exact is jouw probleem met de wetenschappelijke methode?

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Onderzoek is waardeloos als het niet gebeurd zoals het hoort.

Wat exact is jouw probleem met de wetenschappelijke methode?

ehhh dit?

The Myth of the Magical Scientific Method
by Dr. Terry Halwes

No Special Method is Required which argues in a general way that scientists use many methods of investigation and reasoning, and thus there is no unique "Scientific Method."

Scientists don't only test hypotheses in order to test theories. Scientists explore their world, just like children do. When a good theory is available to serve as a map, is gets used. If no theory / map is available, the exploration goes on anyway.

http://www.dharma-haven.org/science/...fic-method.htm

wel hele stuk lezen he?

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Onderzoek is waardeloos als het niet gebeurd zoals het hoort.

Wat exact is jouw probleem met de wetenschappelijke methode?

Niets. Jij beweert dat ik een probleem ermee heb, dat ik de wetenschappelijke methode niet ken,... maar dat is allemaal zever.

De wetenschappelijke methode is een instrument, niet meer niet minder. Jij gebruikt echter de term "wetenschappelijke methode" als een paraplu om ideëen die je niet zinnen buiten te houden, en om de geloofwaardigheid van anderen naar beneden te halen.

Jij gebruikt die term maar om alles af te schieten wat niet in je wereldbeeld past.

De wetenschappelijke methode werkt heel goed voor exacte wetenschappen waar er verifieerbare experimenten kunnen gedaan worden in de fysische realiteit. Het is echter heel wat anders om dat over te dragen naar het onderzoek naar de NWO of UFO's. Dan vertoont het meer gelijkenissen met de sociale wetenschappen en daar ligt het dus wel wat anders.

Eigenlijk is het onderzoek NWO of UFO's gelijk aan een strafrechterlijk onderzoek, zoals bijvoorbeeld bij een moordzaak. Je moet veel verschillende feiten naast elkaar leggen, met verschillende motieven rekening houden, ... en daarop een beeld interpreteren van wat er werkelijk gebeurt/gebeurt is. Je moet dus veel verbindingen maken. Dat is wat wij bedoelen met "the big picture" te zien.

De wetenschappelijke methode kan je dus niet in zijn strikt exact wetenschappelijke vorm toepassen op zo een onderzoek. Maar dat is eigenlijk jouw punt niet, want jij gebruikt het enkele als een holle catch-phrase om andere ideeën af te schieten. Je bent niet bezig met wetenschap, noch ben je bezig de wetenschap te verdedigen. Je bent gewoon bezig je eigen geloofssysteem te verdedigen door ideeën die je niet zinnen aan te vallen.

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Wat voor methode het ook moge zijn , ik vind het verontrustend als er uit rolt dat we lieden als Niels Harrit (of iets dergelijks ) met zijn nano thermiet, zo maar gaan geloven met zijn regelrechte onwaarheden.

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ehhh dit?







http://www.dharma-haven.org/science/...fic-method.htm

wel hele stuk lezen he?

Prima stuk hoor !
Heel veel wetenschappers zijn helemaal niet steeds bezig met het hanteren van een bepaalde methode. Je moet juist verder gaan dan de bestaande kennis om iets nieuws te ontdekken.

Maar voor waarheidsvinding zijn er nu eenmaal bepaalde logische stappen die iemand met gezond verstand volgt. Wat is daar mis mee?

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Waarschijnlijk bent u ook een Perpetuum mobile believer

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Waarschijnlijk bent u ook een Perpetuum mobile believer

het is geen religie!

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Wel degelijk , want het blijkt keer op keer niet aantoonbaar !

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Wel degelijk , want het blijkt keer op keer niet aantoonbaar !

ja dat klopt via de circelredenering wel van de meenstream instituten:

Het is volgens ons onmogelijk, dus hebben we 'wetten' uitgevonden die idd zeggen dat het onmogelijk is, dus daarmee hebben we bewezen dat het onmogelijk is, want die wetten zeggen dat.
(maar niet verder vertellen hoor)


Tsja, jij gelooft dus dat het niet kan.

sure.

en jij bent op de hoogte he? pi & phi remember?

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Wat voor methode het ook moge zijn , ik vind het verontrustend als er uit rolt dat we lieden als Niels Harrit (of iets dergelijks ) met zijn nano thermiet, zo maar gaan geloven met zijn regelrechte onwaarheden.

Je bedoelt dat het veel beter onderzoek van Niels Harrit veel eerder bij de waarheid aanleunt, als dat gekronkel van NIST en FEMA die onder de $lof liggen ?

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Je bedoelt dat het veel beter onderzoek van Niels Harrit veel eerder bij de waarheid aanleunt, als dat gekronkel van NIST en FEMA die onder de $lof liggen ?

Ah, het artikel van Harrit et al. dat nadien volkomen ontkracht werd is dus beter volgens jou?

Is dat zoals : een auto die defect is is beter dan een auto die wel rijdt want die zit in het grote complot van automaat$chappijen en de oliebusine$$?

Yep, makes total sense.

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Je bedoelt dat het veel beter onderzoek van Niels Harrit veel eerder bij de waarheid aanleunt, als dat gekronkel van NIST en FEMA die onder de $lof liggen ?

Ik heb nog nooit iets van Harrit gezien dat op een onderzoek leek.
Wat u zegt is niet op basis van inhoud maar op basis van wantrouwen.

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ja dat klopt via de circelredenering wel van de meenstream instituten:

Het is volgens ons onmogelijk, dus hebben we 'wetten' uitgevonden die idd zeggen dat het onmogelijk is, dus daarmee hebben we bewezen dat het onmogelijk is, want die wetten zeggen dat.
(maar niet verder vertellen hoor)

Fout , fuck die wetten ! Het werkt niet dus is het onzin, gebakken lucht.

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Fout , fuck die wetten ! Het werkt niet dus is het onzin, gebakken lucht.

lol

dus je verdedigd de wetten die zo maar verzonnen zijn?

Net als de lichtsnelheidlimiet van Eenstein. Ook kul!
(zoek eens op ;Tachyonen)

Maar ja, je lult maar wat mee he?

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lol

dus je verdedigd de wetten die zo maar verzonnen zijn?

Net als de lichtsnelheidlimiet van Eenstein. Ook kul!
(zoek eens op ;Tachyonen)

Maar ja, je lult maar wat mee he?

Die wetten hebben wel honderd jaar van onderzoek doorstaan door duizenden experts.

Uw zotte beweringen Doorstaan nog geen 5 minuten onderzoek door een leek.

En hoe verklaar jij dat het simpele postulaat van Einstein ivm de lichtsnelheid een theorie oplevert die de beweging van alle grote objecten in het universum kan berekenen tot vele cijfers na de komma?

Tesla komt nog niet tot de teennagel van dat genie.

En tachyonen?
Wat je niet begrijpt, daar moet je over zwijgen. In jouw geval past dus enkel stilte.

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Inability to explain the facts has never prevented a theory from prospering, provided it is sustained by ideology and shielded by ignorance.

[Scherven A. Mok]

De amerikanen gaan tegenwoordig wel heel erg ver in het promoten van hun films.

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Waarom houden veel mensen niet van complottheorieën ?

The Excavator - Why People Reject Conspiracy Theories

<sub>"On his Infowars.com Web site, Jones headlines his page with “Because There Is a War on for Your Mind.” True enough, which is why science and reason must always prevail over fear and irrationality, and conspiracy mongering traffics in the latter at the expense of the former." - Michael Shermer, "Why People Believe Conspiracy Theories," Scientific American, August 18, 2012.

"The repression and revised imposition of September 11th and the attendant “war on terror” on the public mind have important implications not only for the integrity of public discourse, but also for the collective sanity of western culture and civilization. As crafted by dominant news media 9/11 has become the cracked lens through which we view and conceive of our own history, identity, and purpose. Each act of subverting or evading factual accounts of actually existing events manifests itself as a small fissure in the broader edifice of truth and rationality. So does it also contribute to furthering the designs of broader forces seeking to build a once seemingly pretend brave new world." - Prof. James F. Tracy, "9/11 Truth, Inner Consciousness and the "Public Mind," Global Research, March 18, 2012.

The mocking of conspiracy theories in the American press and Western media is based on the simplistic argument that reason is on the side of the government and officialdom, not on the fringe of society and civilization.

Anti-conspiracy proponents ludicrously claim that conspiracy theorists are prey to paranoia and irrational thinking without explaining their own faulty reasoning. They put a huge emphasis on labels and none on facts. But they're not unique. Apparently, name-calling is enough to win a court case in a 21st century American courtroom.

Let's set aside the mockery and look at the real picture. In the court of world public opinion, 9/11 truth has already won.

The truth is that 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" [read truth-tellers] are not the irrational party in the debate about what happened on 9/11, for the facts of history are on their side and no one with an honest intellect can say otherwise.

Since most people are not persuaded by facts but by fear, they blindly reject the truth about 9/11 and accuse the truth-tellers of being irrational, conspiratorial, and paranoid.

In addition to fear, there are four other reasons why people reject conspiracy theories in a wholesale manner, especially the fact-based claims made by the global 9/11 truth and justice movement. Below I've stated each reason in bold and briefly elaborated on them.

1. Fear. There are many dimensions to how fear blocks people from discovering, accepting, and telling the truth about 9/11.

The first dimension is cosmic. The official story about the most important socio-political event in modern history has been burned into the heart of American culture and Western civilization. America's image of itself is wrapped up with the 9/11 fairy tale. For many, the fear of challenging the authenticity of the story is related to the fear of shaking up the cosmological scenery within one's own mind that has been constructed by political leaders and the television.

The second dimension is social. People have a basic fear; they don't want to be associated with those "crazy conspiracy theorists and their paranoid views." They want to stay within the safety of the tribe, and disowning the most sacred myths of one's tribe goes beyond treachery; it is interpreted as spiritual suicide.

The third dimension is the most obvious one: the fear of death. The government is watching what you say, and read, and it knows what you think and believe. Most people naturally don't want to stick the bullseye on their chest and yell out in the crowd, "I don't belong to you because I reject your lies and fables, now come and get me, punks."

2. Ignorance. Due to the systemic blackout of the evidence showing that the official 9/11 story is a lie, people just don't know. Not only are they ignorant of the facts underlining the case of the global 9/11 truth and justice movement, but they are ignorant that there is even a media blackout.

Of course, the excuse of ignorance is harder to defend in the era of the Internet and new media. A lot of people who reject conspiracy theories are just too lazy to sit down and do the research for themselves.

3. A False Sense of Superiority And A False Sense of Knowledge. The smugness of 9/11 truth deniers is hard to stomach. They actually look down on new information and new knowledge, which is strange to me. I value learning and am always open to new ideas and new ways of seeing the world.

When I came across '9/11: The Road to Tyranny' by Alex Jones in February 2004 I was floored. I remember watching the capture of Saddam on CNN a few months earlier and thinking, "Wow, this Iraq War turned out to be alright, at least the Iraqi people got to see justice served." But the discovery that the 9/11 story was an invented fable turned my goodwill towards the American government to absolute rage.

It was easy for me to rethink the purpose of the war on terror upon seeing the real facts about 9/11 laid out for the first time because I'm not an American so I don't have any emotional stake in what the American government does. Americans are in a much more spiritually difficult place. The sin of 9/11 must be a heavy burden to carry for such a morally minded country and people.

This article is not about judging anyone or any country, but an attempt to understand why people react differently to the same information. Why do some people think they know how the world works and refuse to accept the validity of new worldviews, while others hunger for such awesome discoveries? I know how ignorant I am of the world, of history, and of mankind, so I'm comfortable with letting go of worldviews if the facts don't fit.

4. Collective Brainwashing. The brainwashing of America, Israel, the West, and the world since the false flag September 11 events is definitely one of the biggest reasons why people reject alternative interpretations of 9/11 and the war on terror. The nations of the world are living inside the big lie offered by the grand decoder of reality, who goes by the political name of the United States government. The spiritual name for this false decoder of reality is Satan, otherwise known as the accuser.

People live, breathe, and eat the 9/11 lie. It is a live virus that is inside their bodily organs and their digestive systems. A teaspoon of reason is not enough to treat the spiritual patient.

5. Institutional Silence And Cover-Up. Academic, media, and governmental institutions in the West have all agreed to keep the truth about 9/11 a secret from the American people and the world.

The culture at the top of the top of modern American society and other societies as well operates on a basic principle: "keep your mouth shut, or else."

To learn more about the culture of silence in America's elite institutions, read, "False Flag Terror and Conspiracies of Silence," by Prof. James F. Tracy, and "Codes of Silence and Child Abuse Cover-Ups: The Sick Underbelly of Institutions in the US," by Nathalia Jaramillo.

At the top, secrets are kept, knowledge is guarded, and silence is valued.
Posted by Saman Mohammadi at 11:29 PM</sub>

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To learn more about the culture of silence in America's elite institutions, read, "False Flag Terror and Conspiracies of Silence," by Prof. James F. Tracy

Mooie samenvatting: [ .......... ]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=32299

False Flag Terror and Conspiracies of Silence

by Prof. James F. Tracy

Global Research, August 10, 2012

The news media’s readiness to accept official pronouncements and failure to more vigorously analyze and question government authorities in the wake of "domestic terrorist" incidents contributes to the American public’s already acute case of collective historical amnesia, while it further rationalizes the twenty-first century police state and continued demise of civil society.

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"We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

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Volgend artikel wou ik jullie niet onthouden.

Volgens Colin Todhunter is het niet begrijpen noch aanvaarden van het falen van het kapitalisme en de problemen welke dit systeem produceert de oorzaak van het onstaan van complot-theoriën.

Desalniettemin staat Colin Todhunter zeer kritisch tegenover de misdaden die het Westerse Imperialisme begaat. U kan HIER zijn blog raadplegen.

Global Reasearch - The Role of Anti-Establishment “Conspiracy Theories”

In recent years, populist explanations for world events have become common and often taken the form of anti-establishment conspiracy theories. The contradiction between how people believe the world should be, according to the mainstream propaganda pertaining to liberty and democracy, and how it is in this time of crisis leads people to search for easily digestible answers.

It’s easy for conspiracy theorists to play on people’s fears and prejudices and to point fingers at certain groups. In the past, it has been ‘the Jews’, ‘the Irish’, ‘the blacks’, ‘the Poles’ or some other easily identifiable target that was blamed for society’s ills. Resorting to selective interpretations of history or some simplistic Hollywood-esque inspired political or sci-fi narrative where giant reptiles are taking over the planet can be quite seductive, particularly for ‘right-leaning’ sections of the population who never had any truck with socialism and probably once believed in the ‘free market’ and capitalist liberal democracy but now have trouble in fathoming out why it has all gone wrong.

Conspiracy theories of different kinds have been found on both the left and the right of the political spectrum over the decades. While the right saw reds under the bed everywhere, the left regarded every negative event as a consequence of capitalism – what sociologists call ‘left functionalism’.

Much of the left, however, possesses an analysis based on a sound understanding of how capitalism works and developed over time. David Harvey’s assessment of the current crisis (1) uses concepts of capital over accumulation, production outsourcing, wage and demand depression and credit access to explain why we are where we happen to be right now. John Foster (2) discusses the nature of the current crisis in similar terms.

The advocates of populist conspiracy theories seek to explain everything in terms of secret societies and codes, Zionism, ‘communism’ or the hand of ‘Rothschild’. Of course, families like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and groups like Bilderberg exist and do hold great power. That much is not in dispute. However, the nature of the dynamics of power is. Groups or think tanks like Bilderberg, Brookings Institute, Trilateral Commission, Chatham House, Council on Foreign Relations, RAND Corporation and so on are where capitalism’s state-corporate hegemons, including the rich families mentioned above, meet to discuss, devise policies and manage capitalism.

Radical critiques of society have often focused on the underlying logic and processes of capital accumulation and capitalist economic crises as well as capitalism’s inherent contradictions. An analysis of the historical antecedents of modernity according to scholarly analysis has also been prevalent. Today, it is popular to assert that the members of some shadowy group have been in charge all this time – the Illuminati, often used as a metaphor for ‘the Jews’.

The rise of such explanations are understandable in a complex world, where the ordinary person feels utterly powerless, confused and craves easy answers. Little surprise then that events and crises are said to be the work of some sinister ‘Illuminati’, an explanation which tends to steer clear of any genuine analysis of capitalism.

In the West, jobs are being outsourced, wages are falling and unemployment rising. As the market becomes saturated with goods and demand is unable to mop up supply, firms go bust. There is a shift towards powerful monopoly capitalism, while citizens and workers experience increasing powerlessness and immiseration. And to seek out new profits, imperialist ventures abroad become the norm. State-corporate monopoly capitalism and imperialist intent are not part of a ‘New World Order’ but are part of a world in which the few benefit at the expense of the many and that has been in the making ever since Britain became the first industrial nation and capitalism emerged.

But what we now have isn’t free market capitalism, some might say. The notion of the free market has always been a myth. It’s always been controlled and manipulated. It’s never been ‘free’. And we are now witnessing advanced capitalism in all its gore.

Capitalism has inherent contradictions. All was never intended to be fine. Remember the slogan to end poverty by 2020 (or whatever the date was)? Capitalism thrives on poverty. It’s integral to the system. That’s why it is rampant in the West and much more so in the cheap labour economies of the ‘developing world’. The increasing concentration of power, ownership and wealth and the rising impoverishment of the masses is one of capitalism’s greatest contradictions. It’s not some kind of conspiracy to keep the masses in poverty or in fear of falling into it. It’s built in to capitalism.

But many do not refer Marx, Engels, Lenin or Trotsky to gain an understanding of the processes of dialectic materialism and capitalism. They and their theories are regarded as being part of the Zionist conspiracy. If socialism and communism are the creation of Zionism, which supposedly exerts so much control over the US and Britain, strange then that the secret services of both the US and Britain spent so much time and energy on infiltrating, deradicalising and subverting the left (3).

While the late Antony C Sutton (sometimes regarded as the father of modern conspiracy theories) provides food for thought in his writings and research (4), conspiracy theories tend to provide limited insight into the dynamics of power and oppression in the 21st century.

However imperfect the work of people like Robert Brenner (5) and Barrington Moore (6) may have been, their research was based on broad comparative sociological analysis of the cultural, historical, agrarian and economic factors that led to the rise of capitalism, fascism and communism in various societies. In the absence of this, however, prominent proponents of conspiracy theories in the US and Britain make crude assumptions about such phenomena comprising part of an Illuminati plot, which play on the prejudices and fears of ordinary people, who in turn latch on to the explanation offered as a proxy for the underlying causes of their powerlessness and frustrations.

Why bother having an informed understanding of the dynamics of the modern world based on rigorous research? Much easier to watch a few YouTube clips about some secret, manipulative elite or even amphibians from outer space with an agenda to control the world.

Many conspiracy theorists have indeed actually been quite informative on how the banking system works and how bankers conspire to control policies by keeping governments in permanent debt. They have also highlighted glaring flaws in official accounts of 9/11. They have rightly pinpointed what the mainstream misses out of its narratives and have raised issues that many on the left had tended to ignore or gave scant attention to. But such useful insights then become wrapped up in theories that too often appear to be based on flights of fancy.

There is no doubting that people can and do conspire to shape events. Not everything can be explained by structures where individual motive is eradicated. For example, corporations conspire to produce price cartels, media barons conspire to dominate and state-corporate interests embark on military jaunts to control markets and resources. And yes, bankers conspire to restrict credit for various reasons. But this has to be placed within the wider context of Empire and capitalism.

In capitalism, the compulsion to compete, dominate and pursue profit casts long shadows over virtually every social and cultural institution, from government and politics to education, law, agriculture and entertainment.

Conspiracy theorists and their followers may well appreciate aspects of this, but merely speculate about the intentions of and actions of groups of people without addressing how capitalism shapes any of it.

In finishing it is interesting to recall that not everything in life can be neatly explained away, as the philosopher Karl Popper once famously argued. It can be easy for conspiracy theories to overlook the pervasive unintended consequences of political and social action and assume that all consequences must have been intended. Unpredictability abounds. And that’s something some on the left may care to occasionally chew over too.

Notes

1) David Harvey (2010), Crises of Capitalism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0

2) John Foster (2010), Capitalist Crisis and Cuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkhmGOxwbhM

3) Robin Ramsay (1996), The influence of intelligence services on the British left, Lobster Magazine: http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/rrtalk.htm

4) Antony C Sutton (1974), Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution: http://reformed-theology.org/html/bo...ion/index.html

5) Robert Brenner (1976), “Agrarian Class Structure and Economic Development in Pre-industrial Europe”.Past and Present 70

6) Barrington Moore (1993) [First published 1966]. Social origins of dictatorship and democracy: lord and peasant in the making of the modern world (with a new foreword by Edward Friedman and James C. Scott ed.). Boston: Beacon Press.