"Zeker 500 doden door aanval zenuwgas in Syrië"

[BonBon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

1300 doden door het 'supertraangas' van BonBon straffe stoot

1300? Het aantal doden moet nog blijken, 'supertraangas' is sterker dan je zou denken.

CS-gas is zo'n product, in hoge concentraties is het zeker dodelijk

effects ranging from mild tearing of the eyes to immediate vomiting and prostration.
He suggests that if no gas masks were used and the occupants were trapped, then, "...there is a distinct possibility that this kind of CS exposure can significantly contribute to or even cause lethal effects.

at specified concentrations CS gas is an immediate danger to life and health

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas

[Salah]

Experts: powerful asphyxiant in strike was probably sarin

Expert opinion is hardening behind attributing the deaths on Wednesday of hundreds of people in Damascus to a nerve agent such as sarin, with regional and western governments expecting to receive smuggled biological samples from the site in the coming days.

Chemical weapons specialists, who have studied footage showing the dead and dying victims of the attack, said several symptoms offered strong evidence that a nerve agent was used; it would be the worst such attack anywhere in the world in the past 25 years.

Stefan Mogl, a Swiss chemical weapons expert and former arms inspector, said: "There's a significant number of videos of children's faces and of adults who seem to have been exposed, that show typical symptoms of acetylcholinesterase inhibition poisoning, which coincides with a nerve agent."

Mogl told the Guardian it was very likely the agent used was sarin. "The significance is, it's not a single case. One person with constricting of the pupils, or with excessive salivation, or with spasms, or gasping for air, one single incident is not very significant, but … I came to the conclusion that there is a likelihood of nerve agent poisoning and this should be thoroughly investigated. You see children dying, people with very severe effects. I've seen a lot of people with uncontrolled muscle movement."

Alastair Hay, another former weapons expert, who investigated the aftermath of the Halabja attack, when up to 5,000 people were gassed in Iraqi Kurdistan by Saddam Hussein's forces in 1988, said: "I'm struck by the appearance of the victims and the absence of any signs of trauma. This suggests some powerful asphyxiant. Many of the victims have individual signs suggestive of exposure to an organophosphate agent. Nasal and lung secretions are very evident in many of the victims. These are just some of the signs consistent with [such] exposure."

Mogl said there would be immense interest among regional and western powers in obtaining samples from east Damascus, where the attack took place.

Biological samples had been given to MI6 and to French intelligence members after alleged small-scale chemical attacks earlier in the year. Both governments, along with the US, then declared that sarin had been the agent used.

However, the apparent huge toll of dead and wounded from Wednesday's attack has raised the stakes, with France threatening to use force in response, and foes of the Assad regime seeming to harden their positions.

"I'm sure the UK and other countries will get samples very quickly and analysed," said Mogl, warning that a chain of custody had to be guaranteed if smuggled samples were ever to be considered decisive.

A UN team of inspectors is in Damascus intending to investigate three earlier alleged uses of chemical weapons, and 36Thirty-six countries have written to the UN secretary general requesting immediate access to east Damascus.

A French official said France's priority was for UN inspectors to get to the scene.

"What is important for us today is to confirm the facts. There is an international expert team that is 15 minutes by car from the place where the attack happened, that team must be able to immediately go there without constraints to take samples. If the Syrian regime has nothing to hide it must let the UN team go there in all independence."

France, like other governments, has handed the UN evidence before, from reported chemical attacks in June after samples were analysed in French military laboratories, but the UN must use its own expert team to gather its own evidence on the matter of chemical attacks.

Western officials said that the Syrian military's stockpile of sarin and mustard gas had been closely monitored over many decades. The US and UK had tried to prevent Syrian officials buying two precursors needed to dispense sarin, however substitutes could retain the lethal effect of the gas.

Meanwhile, attention was shifting towards the attack missiles. The strike occurred around 2am Friday at a time when the Syrian military had launched an advance into the rebel-held area east of Damascus. The missiles bore similarities to those used in at least two previous attacks where a toxic gas was reported to have been used.

Elliott Higgins, a British-based blogger who collates information on weapons systems in use in Syria, said the rockets' projectiles shared features in common. He said they had first been used by government forces in Daraya, south-west Damascus, on 4 January this year.

The same missile has also been implicated in two other claimed chemical attacks in Adra, north-east of Damascus on 11 June, when it was described by activists as a "chemical missile", and later in the same town on 5 August, where again it was linked to a chemical attack.

The slender rockets, which appear to be compatible with both an explosive and a non-conventional pay-load, have a distinctive fin arrangement, including a circular tail piece that appears to have been manufactured to the same specifications in each instance and a bolt hole on the tail in the same place.

Eyewitnesses have described the missiles and rockets launched in the attack as having come from two areas of Damascus which are both under regime control – the Mezze airbase, south-west of central Damascus, and the October War Panorama military museum in the city.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...cal?CMP=twt_fd

[Salah]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door BonBon

Het probleem is dat de rebellen al Sarin gas hebben gebruikt en bepaalde transporten in Turkije zijn onderschept.

Onzin.


Turkish authorities question 6 terror suspects, deny sarin gas was seized

The Anadolu Agency reported Friday that authorities released six other people without charge who were detained during the raids in Adana, Hatay, Mersin and Istanbul.

Huseyin Avni Cos, governor of Adana province, said some chemical materials were confiscated during the raid, but denied a report which claimed that sarin gas was seized during the raids.

[BonBon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salah

Experts: powerful asphyxiant in strike was probably sarin

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...cal?CMP=twt_fd

"What is important for us today is to confirm the facts. There is an international expert team that is 15 minutes by car from the place where the attack happened, that team must be able to immediately go there without constraints to take samples. If the Syrian regime has nothing to hide it must let the UN team go there in all independence."

ok, even afwachten dus wat ze gaan doen en wat ze vinden?

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door BonBon

1300? Het aantal doden moet nog blijken, 'supertraangas' is sterker dan je zou denken.

CS-gas is zo'n product, in hoge concentraties is het zeker dodelijk



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas

ik heb nog GEEN enkele specialist horen praten over dit supertraangas ...
waarschijnlijk zaten die honderden doden juist allemaal in kelders en mikte het leger juist op de volle kelders

[BonBon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salah

Onzin.

Turkish authorities question 6 terror suspects, deny sarin gas was seized

de turken?




http://nsnbc.me/2013/06/02/syrian-mi...ir-resolution/

The Turkish authorities have, however not been forthcoming with additional and detailed information.

While the latest cases involving Sarin all seem to lead to Turkey, also Saudi-Arabia is under suspicion of having provided chemical weapons capabilities to al-Qaeda associated fighters in Syria. Suspicion of Saudi-Arabian involvement was raised after several videos surfaced, featuring opposition fighters showing of small laboratories which they claimed to have received from Saudi-Arabia. Other videos featured “rebels” killing rabbits with chemical weapons, threatening that Alawites and all Syrians who did not join the opposition would suffer the same fate as the murdered animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X93ZHWta6Ow
SYRIA: Terrorists using turkish Poisonous Gas on Rabbits (18-march-2013)

[Salah]

Other videos featured “rebels” killing rabbits with chemical weapons, threatening that Alawites and all Syrians who did not join the opposition would suffer the same fate as the murdered animals.

Assad geproduceerde video om de Alawi's angst aan te jagen.

[BonBon]

fake video van een zogezegde sarin gas aanval, dat kweekt dus geen vertrouwen hé.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iDWfz4VODE

[BonBon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salah

Assad geproduceerde video om de Alawi's angst aan te jagen.

Leugens

of



Uw meest gebruikte argumenten

[BonBon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

ik heb nog GEEN enkele specialist horen praten over dit supertraangas ...
waarschijnlijk zaten die honderden doden juist allemaal in kelders en mikte het leger juist op de volle kelders

uit de wiki pagina

Use of CS in war is prohibited under the terms of the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention, signed by most nations in 1993 with all but five other nations signing between the years of 1994 through 1997. The reasoning behind the prohibition is pragmatic: use of CS by one combatant could easily trigger retaliation with much more toxic chemical weapons such as nerve agents. Only five nations have not signed the Chemical Weapons Convention and are therefore unhindered by restrictions on the use of CS gas: Angola, Egypt, North Korea, Somalia, and Syria.[19]

Potent tear gas used in Syrian chemical attack
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/...cle1234718.ece
a “super-strength tear gas”

[Salah]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door BonBon

Leugens

of



Uw meest gebruikte argumenten

De overgrote meerderheid van uw post zijn dan ook zo achterlijk, dat je niet anders kunt dan in lachen uitbarsten. Argumenteren op ronduit belachelijke zever is overbodig.

[Antoon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salah

De overgrote meerderheid van uw post zijn dan ook zo achterlijk, dat je niet anders kunt dan in lachen uitbarsten. Argumenteren op ronduit belachelijke zever is overbodig.

Een moslimfanaat die het heeft over achterlijkheid. U zou eens naar de grote Arabische Leider Nasser moeten kijken en luisteren. Dat kan in volgend bericht:


In de jaren '50 vonden de Arabieren het lachwekkend om de hoofddoek te verplichten.


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[Salah]

Syrian medics die after treating attack victims

Some first responders to a reported chemical attack in Syria have died after treating victims, providing more evidence that a weapon of mass destruction was indeed used, opposition forces said Thursday.

"Some of them came down with similar symptoms and passed away," said Khaled Saleh, a spokesman for the Supreme Military Council of the Free Syrian Army, which the United States has provided with non-lethal aid. Saleh said at least six doctors had died after treating victims. "We don't have the (total) number of dead first responders yet," he said.

Despite seemingly overwhelming evidence, the Syrian government continues to deny that it used chemical weapons. Three dozen countries, including the U.S., have now called for a United Nations investigation.

Saleh said he learned Thursday that one of the people he had been in touch with Wednesday who was treating people injured in the attack had later passed away.

Between 800 and 1,700 people died Wednesday after a rocket attack on the Damascus suburb of Eastern Ghouta, according to the Syrian opposition, which reported receiving victims in area hospitals and that more bodies were found in house-to-house searches Thursday.

Dan Layman, a spokesman for the Syrian Support Group, which supports the Free Syrian Army in Washington, said doctors, nurses and first responders had reported Wednesday that they'd experienced secondary symptoms while working with victims.

"The doctor I was talking to yesterday said the residue on the victims and their clothing was making the doctors get dizzy and have trouble breathing and (they) had to pour water on their faces and had to step out of the room," Layman said.

Layman said he learned Thursday that two of those nurses died.

The reports come as the State Department says the U.S. government is still trying to find out what happened.

"There's a great sense of urgency in the administration to gather information on the ground," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said. "If these reports are true, it would be a flagrant use of chemical weapons by the regime. The president will consider his options and discuss it with his national security team."

President Obama said a year ago, on Aug. 20, 2012, that use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar Assad would cross a "red line" that would prompt the United States to take action that would have "game-changing" impact on the conflict.

The administration determined in June that Syrian pro-government forces had used chemical weapons and that Obama's red line had been crossed. The White House announced it would begin providing lethal aid to the Syrian armed opposition.

Saleh said that aid has yet to arrive.

A United Nations inspection team was in Damascus on Thursday to investigate three sites of earlier alleged chemical attacks, and Secretary of State John Kerry wants that team to have access to the site of Wednesday's alleged attack, Psaki said.

The United States and the U.N. team believe the armed opposition in Syria does not have chemical weapons capability, Psaki said.

"Given the U.N. team is on the ground right now, we're working to put pressure on the Syrian regime to allow access," she said.

One chemical weapons expert looking at the evidence says video from the scenes of the attack are inconsistent with known chemical weapons injuries.

YouTube videos posted by Syrian activists of children gasping for air while being rinsed with water by barehanded medical personnel are not consistent with chemical weapons known to be in the Syrian arsenal, said Dan Kaszeta, managing director of U.K.-based security consultancy Strongpoint Security. Kaszeta worked 20 years on chemical biological and nuclear defense in the U.S. government and military.

The symptoms in the videos show convulsions that affect some limbs but not all, and show no skin burns or blisters that would indicate mustard gas and no vomiting, Kaszeta said. He did not have access to any of the victims and his opinions are based solely on the video.

"(With) sarin or nerve agents there would be much more widespread symptoms," he said. "We need physical evidence, blood, urine, tissue, a chest X-ray of one of these guys who died."

Another chemical weapons expert, Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, the former commander of the chemical, biological and nuclear counterterrorism unit at the United Kingdom's Ministry of Defense, says a low-dose chemical weapons attack may explain the absence of some symptoms.

In March 1995, when the Japanese terrorist cult Aum Shinrikyo launched a sarin attack injuring about 6,000 people, first responders who were not present for the attack but treated victims later also experienced symptoms, Bretton-Gordon said.

Saleh said activists in the vicinity of Wednesday's attack have collected samples of victims' hair and blood, of soil and of pieces of munitions that landed in the area, but getting them to someone who can analyze them is another matter.

"The challenge is getting them out," Saleh said. "That area is completely surrounded by Assad's forces. You can't even get wheat in there to make bread."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...rs-die/2686971

[Salah]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Een moslimfanaat die het heeft over achterlijkheid. U zou eens naar de grote Arabische Leider Nasser moeten kijken en luisteren. Dat kan in volgend bericht:


In de jaren '50 vonden de Arabieren het lachwekkend om de hoofddoek te verplichten.


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Zeg christelijke extremist, welke achterlijke praat kom jij hier verkopen?

De hoofddoek is niet verplicht, dat is geen nieuws. Stay ontopic or gtfo.

[zonbron]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salah

Assad geproduceerde video om de Alawi's angst aan te jagen.

Jaja @Salah, hoofden afsnijden etc... Assad geproduceerde video's...

[Charlie don't Surf]

Hartverscheurende getuigenis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y

[Salah]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door zonbron

Jaja @Salah, hoofden afsnijden etc... Assad geproduceerde video's...

Assad zijn mag ook rollen. Zoals duidelijk is, verdienen deze barbaren die oa verantwoordelijk zijn voor dit massacre, de doodstraf.

[The_Belgian_Kurd]

Verdachte timing niet? Zelfs mijn vader, die altijd het bullshit van Al-Jazeera gelooft in plaats van mij, had er deze keer zijn twijfels over. Deze topic is gestart door een Pro-Amerikaan, maar goed even een paar vragen.Laar goed we gaan even een spel spelen die in de wereld niet mogelijk zou zijn: het "eerlijksheidsspel" spel waar iedereen gelijk is. Laten we er even vanuit gaan dat Assad wel degelijk zenuwgas heeft gebruikt en hij wordt gestraft hiervoor. Maar nu komt de boemerang terug. De VS moet dan ook gestraft worden voor de twee nucleare bommen op Japan (Ironisch genoeg verbieden ze het iedereen,maar zijn ze de enige die het ooit hebbben gebruikt), de Vietnamoorlog, de Panama oorlog, de Irak-oorlog en vele andere. Trouwens de VS gebruikte ook gifgas bij de belegering van Fallujah. Als de VS het aanneemt van Syrische 'activisten', kunnen wij het toch ook aannemen van een plaatselijke bewoner?:
'Vreemde wapens' ingezet in Fallujah

Volgens ooggetuigen hebben de VS-miliairen in Fallujah non-conventionele wapens ingezet tegen burgers. Abu Hammad, koopman in Fallujah, vertelt IPS: "Ze gebruikten van alles - tanks, artillerie, infanterie, gifgas. Fallujah is met de grond gelijk gemaakt." Hammad komt uit de wijk Julan waar enkele van de zwaarste gevechten plaatsvonden. Andere wijkbewoners bevestigen het gebruik van illegale wapens. Abu Sabah uit Julan vertelt: "Ze gebruikten vreemde bommen die een rookwolk in de vorm van een paddestoel veroorzaakten. Dan vielen er kleine delen uit de lucht met lange rooksporen." Hij zei dat bomsplinters de huid verbrandden, zelfs als er water op de wonden werd gegooid. Deze effekten zijn bekend van fosforbommen en napalm.

Ambulancechauffeur Mehdi Abdulla vertelt dat hij van artsen heeft gehoord dat de Amerikanen patiënten uit het ziekenhuis verjaagden. "Artsen hebben me verteld dat ze bezig waren met een zware operatie, maar meegenomen werden door de soldaten, zodat de patiënt stierf." Kassem Mohammed Ahmed die uit Fallujah ontsnapte verteldt IPS dat hij veel wreedheden van VS-militairen gezien heeft. "Ik zag dat ze met tanks over gewonden heenreden." Abdul Razaq Isamil, ook ontsnapt, vertelt: "Ik zag doden op straat liggen, maar niemand kon ze begraven vanwege de Amerikaanse sluipschutters. De Amerikanen gooiden de lijken in de Eufraat." Abu Hammad vertelt hoe de Amerikanen mensen die probeerden te ontsnappen via de rivier vanaf de oever doodschoten, ook als ze witte vlaggen bij zich hadden.

Inter Press Service (US), 26 november 2004

De pot verwijt de ketel dat hij zwart ziet

[Nr.10]

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Assad zijn mag ook rollen. Zoals duidelijk is, verdienen deze barbaren die oa verantwoordelijk zijn voor dit massacre, de doodstraf.

Jij en je vriendjes in het terroristenkamp bedoel je waarschijnlijk.

[Salah]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Nr.10

Jij en je vriendjes

Alles wijst in de richting van uw dictator en zijn barbaren, inclusief motief, beste Christelijke nazi sympathisant.