De grote 9/11 topic

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door lezer2

http://xrepublic.tv/node/4939

Susan Lindauer, CIA-medewerkster die via officiële wegen voor 9/11 wou waarschuwen, werd hard aangepakt door FBI.

Citing expert testimony from both defense and prosecution witnesses that Lindauer suffered from paranoia and delusions of grandeur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer
de troefers halen hun 'specialisten' boven hopelijk ben je geen volgeling van deze gekkin pindar

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door DeProf_eet

bij de thruthers

whoehaha schrijf maar troefers ipv van die zielige poging Engels

[Gambassi]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

whoehaha schrijf maar troefers ipv van die zielige poging Engels

17.000 posts lulkoek.

Wie doet beter ?

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gambassi

17.000 posts lulkoek.

Wie doet beter ?

ook nog iets zinnig OT te vertellen? Niet zeker? Die troefers toch wat een hilarische sujetten

[atmosphere]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door lezer2

http://xrepublic.tv/node/4939

Susan Lindauer, CIA-medewerkster die via officiële wegen voor 9/11 wou waarschuwen, werd hard aangepakt door FBI.

Geen vage waarschuwingen, maar zeer concrete aanwijzingen.

Ze beweert dat de plannen klaarlagen om Irak aan te vallen in het geval de schade groot genoeg zou zijn. Men hoopte op een pretext for war.

Geen sprake dus van incompetentie, maar minstens van Let It Happen, indien er al niet een handje toegestoken werd om de gevolgen erger te maken...

De CIA zat al jaren achter Bin Laden aan , en heeft meer dan één keer gewaarschuwd, bewijs hiervoor ligt er al in de vorm van CIA documenten (the national security archive)

Waarschuwingen waren redelijk concreet, maar maar nooit voorzien van een tijd of datum. En vergeet niet dat de US government heel veel waarschuwingen krijgt waarvan er vele onjuist zijn.
Bepaalde groeperingen in het Midden Oosten bedreigden de VS al jaren in woord en daad.
Terrorisme bestrijding had toen echter weinig prioriteit en budget.

De echte wistle blower is niet Susan Lindauer, maar Micheal Schreuer(head of CIA's Bin Laden Unit )

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door WhyWait

duh? ben je nu echt serieus?????????????

Zeker weten, want wat hij zegt doet pas echt stof opwaaien in de VS.
Als ik u was zou ik eerst eens bekijken wat hij precies zegt! volgens mij heb je nog geen idee namelijk.

[g_z]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

Zeker weten, want wat hij zegt doet pas echt stof opwaaien in de VS.
Als ik u was zou ik eerst eens bekijken wat hij precies zegt! volgens mij heb je nog geen idee namelijk.

Al herhaal je jezelf soms 10 maal, men begrijpt het niet omdat men niet wil begrijpen, inzien, beseffen of gewoonweg niet wil snappen.

Zonde om energie aan te verspillen.

Wij zijn goed en zij zijn verkeerd bezig mentaliteit.

Zij zijn als vee, neen zij dwalen nog meer (dan dit), zij zijn de achtelozen". Koran 7:179.

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door g_z

Zonde om energie aan te verspillen.

Wij zijn goed en zij zijn verkeerd bezig mentaliteit.

Als ik niet meer op mensen reageer en mijn mening als superieur zie, en anderen als dom, dan ben zelf ook verkeerd bezig.

[Gambassi]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dixie

ook nog iets zinnig OT te vertellen? Niet zeker? Die troefers toch wat een hilarische sujetten

De wapenindustrie bloeit sinds 9/11.
Wie is de wapenindustrie ?

1+1 = 2

Moeilijk hé.

[g_z]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gambassi

De wapenindustrie bloeit sinds 9/11.
Wie is de wapenindustrie ?

1+1 = 2

Moeilijk hé.

Vanuit welke beredenering.

Kwantiteit versus kwaliteit.

Of kwantiteit versus een beetje.

[Micele]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gambassi

De wapenindustrie bloeit sinds 9/11.
Wie is de wapenindustrie ?

1+1 = 2

Moeilijk hé.

Te moeilijk voor dixie

De gouden decade van de wapenindustrie begint te stabiliseren, welke landen zijn er nog ?

Golden decade is ending for defense industry, and stocks

The Sept. 11 attacks forced the world's biggest and best-funded military to quickly retool. It needed to develop technologies, weapons and strategies to find and fight an elusive network of terrorists that seemed more sophisticated and dangerous than ever imagined.
The U.S. spent $1.3 trillion in the ten years following the attacks chasing al-Qaida and fighting two wars. That was on top of baseline military spending in excess of $4 trillion.
"After 9/11 the floodgates opened," says Eric Hugel, a defense industry analyst at Stephens Inc.

The defense budget grew from $316 billion in 2001 to $708 billion in 2011. Federal spending on homeland security, which includes everything from airport security to border control, also rose dramatically. Last year dozens of federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, spent $70 billion on such programs, according to the Office of Management and Budget. That's up from $37 billion in 2003, the first year after DHS was formed.
All that spending was reflected in the soaring performance of the defense industry, led by the top five defense contractors: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics and Raytheon.
In 2001, revenue for U.S.-based defense contractors totaled $217 billion, according to analytics firm Capital IQ. By 2010 revenue had grown to $386 billion. Profits grew more than twice as fast over the same period, from $6.7 billion to $24.8 billion. Contractors based abroad, such as BAE Systems, also flourished. BAE was the sixth biggest defense contractor in 2010, with $7.2 billion in U.S. military contracts.

Stock prices of defense companies in the S&P 500 index have risen 67% since September 11. The index as a whole climbed 8% in that period.
Military spending typically rises during wartime and falls during peacetime. But after Sept. 11, and as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan evolved, it became clear the country needed to spend money on very different military technologies and strategies.

Fighter jets, missile defenses and other Cold War-era systems designed to deal with the perceived threats of nation-states were less useful. The U.S. military had to increase its ability to find, recognize and track enemies that were scattered in many countries and dispersed among the civilian population.

During the war in Iraq the military realized that it couldn't protect troops from a low-tech, but potent threat: improvised roadside bombs. In Afghanistan, commanders needed ways to find and root out insurgents that had tucked themselves in caves in hard-to-reach mountains.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...e-stocks_n.htm

Without 9/11, this war profiteering would not be possible.
Who had the most to benefit from 911 - A bunch of angry Arabs?

Multi-national corporations and private banks control our press and government.

Please check this out:
9-11 Research: Insider Trading

The major media networks are all owned by different corporations. These different corporations are all grouped together through the Military Industrial Complex (MIC), or the industries involved in weapons manufacturing, reconstruction, energy, and every other business necessary to the military. Corporations have a "Board of Directors (BOD)" but the same people may serve on multiple Boards for different corporations.

Rice Tanker

Members of the BOD of these corporations sit on the BOD of the weapons manufactures and mega companies like Texaco, Chevron, Boeing, Lockheed, Citigroup, Chase, Worldcom, JP Morgan, Haliburton... Some members are obviously in our government. The Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was on the Board of Directors for Chevron/Texaco who got the largest and first no-bid contracts from Afghanistan. They named an oil tanker after her.

Trireme Partners company - Set up by Richard Perle and Henry Kissinger, Trireme invests the money of wealthy individuals into weapon companies, who get large government contracts and raise their stock prices. They know who's getting the contracts (insider trading). The defense industries and the companies under this massive umbrella corporation normally have ties to government employees. Kissinger didn't call it insider trading, he called it 'guaranteed speculation'.

BOEING - John H. Biggs is on the BOD for both Boeing and JP Morgan & Chase. John E. Bryson is on the BOD with Boeing and Disney, who owns ABC. Linda Z. Cook, the CEO of Shell, is also on the BOD of Boeing.

LOCKHEED MARTIN - Lockheed is comprised of mainly ex-military and ex-government employees in the defense industry. In the 70s, Lockheed paid a mobster $2 million dollars to launder money for Lockheed. The Japanese government got money from the very same company that built the planes that dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. Dick Cheney's wife was on the BOD of Lockheed until 2001. Lockheed for the past 7 years in a row has gotten the largest government contracts (tens of billions of dollars).

Read about Cheney taking control of NORAD prior to 9/11 so he could personally ensure that the planes hit their targets.

GUESS WHO GETS THE TOP DEFENSE CONTRACTS

2005

1. Lockheed Martin Corp. - $20 billion
2. Boeing Co. - $18.8 billion
3. Northrop Grumman Corp. - $13.7 billion
4. General Dynamics Corp. - $11.1 billion
5. Raytheon Co. - $9.4 billion
6. Halliburton Co. - $5.9 billion
7. United Technologies Corp. - $4.9 billion
8. L-3 Communications Holdings - $4.8 billion
9. Carlyle Group - $2.7 billion
10. SAIC - $2.7 billion

2004

1. Lockheed Martin Corp. $20,690,912,117
2. Boeing Co. $17,066,412,718
3. Northrop Grumman Corp.$11,894,090,277
4. General Dynamics Corp. $9,563,280,236
5. Raytheon Co. $8,472,813,918
6. Halliburton Co. $7,996,793,706
7. United Technologies Corp. $5,056,937,646
8. Science Applications International $2,450,781,108
9. Computer Sciences Corp. $2,390,806,128
10. Humana, INC $2,372,078,226

2002 before Iraq War

1. Lockheed Martin Corp. $17.0 billion
2. Boeing Co. $16.6 billion
3. Northrop Grumman Corp. $8.7 billion
4. Raytheon Co. $7.0 billion
5. General Dynamics Corp. $7.0 billion
6. United Technologies Corp. $3.6 billion
7. Science Applications International Corp. $2.1 billion
8. TRW Inc. $2.0 billion
9. Health Net, Inc. $1.7 billion
10. L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc. $1.7 billion

2001 (all figures from respective websites)

1. Lockheed Martin Corp. $15,130,223,000
2. Boeing Co. $13,595,338,000
3. Northrop Grumman Corp. $11,122,116,000
4. Raytheon Co. $5,875,142,000
5. General Dynamics Corp. $5,213,835,000
6. United Technologies Corp. $3,678,345,000
7. TRW Inc. $1,970,383,000
8. SAIC $1,774,863,000
9. General Electric Co. $1,682,903,000
10. Carlyle Group $1,413,968,000

The first proposed oil pipeline to be opened in Iraq was set to go to Tel Aviv, Israel (planned 10 days before the end of the war). They planned to set up an oil pipeline from Israel going to Haifa. Currently, they pump oil from Mosul to Hiafa.

We send oil to Israel from Iraq
and then buy it back from Israel.

Israeli Piplelines

"One of Israel's largest oil marketing firms has won a multi-million dollar tender to supply fuel to US troops in Iraq. According to a IsraelNationalNews.com report, the tender awarded to Sonol gasoline company, along with its foreign partner Morgantown International, is valued at $70-80 million. The company is expected to supply the US forces with 25 million litres of fuel each month. The tender was issued by the US-based KDR Company, a subsidiary of Halliburton, which has been entrusted with the majority of US military contracts in Iraq."

- Al Jazeera

"According to the Energy Information Administration (EIA), a statistical agency of the US Department of Energy, Israel produces almost no oil and imports nearly all its oil needs (around 237,000 barrels a day in 2002). Traditionally, major oil import sources have included Egypt, the North Sea, West Africa and Mexico."

...

Information provided by the EIA states that in April 2003, there was some discussion of "reopening" the old oil pipeline from Mosul in Northern Iraq to the Israeli port of Haifa on its northern Mediterranean coast. The line, which was built in the 1930s, carried 100,000 barrels a day at its peak, but has been closed since Israel's establishment in 1948. The reopening of this pipeline is, on the other hand, reported as being able to 'solve Israel's energy crisis at a stroke'."

- Al Jazeera

Our senate voted on the new bill for Defense spending: 100 for and 0 against it. Important sections of this bill:

(Sec. 8024) Authorizes DOD to incur obligations of up to $350 million for DOD military compensation, construction projects, and supplies and services in anticipation of receipts of contributions from the government of Kuwait.

(Sec. 8082) Earmarks specified RDT&E funds for producing Arrow missile components in the United States and Arrow missile components and missiles in Israel to meet Israel's defense requirements.

Here is a rejected Amendment:

(S.AMDT.4875 to H.R.5631) To increase by $200,000,000 the amount appropriated or otherwise made available by title IX for the purpose of supplying needed humanitarian assistance to the innocent Lebanese and Israeli civilians who have been affected by the hostilities between Hezbollah and the Government of Israel.

- Government Source

"8/3/2006 Amendment SA 4875 ruled out of order by the chair" - Government source (see the bottom of "Amendments"). They can spend money to build the missiles but not to help civilians wounded or left homeless by them.

These corporations aren't just American or Israeli. Most are multi-national (no loyalties to anyone). The money awarded to the companies by the State-issued contracts is not just the allocation of our tax money; the government spends far more than that even when military spending consist of over half our tax money. They borrow money by buying bonds from the Federal Reserve, which America has to pay interest on, in order to pay for the MIC. We have an 8.5 trillion dollar national debt. The central banks lead us to the same Neocons who wrote the plans for foreign policy (PNAC and ISCB) and collect from the investors.

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Winners

While most companies would see their stock valuations decline in the wake of the attack, those in the business of supplying the military would see dramatic increases, reflecting the new business they were poised to receive.

Raytheon

Raytheon, maker of Patriot and Tomahawk missiles, saw its stock soar immediately after the attack. Purchases of call options on Raytheon stock increased sixfold on the day before the attack.

A Raytheon option that makes money if shares are more than $25 each had 232 options contracts traded on the day before the attacks, almost six times the total number of trades that had occurred before that day. A contract represents options on 100 shares. Raytheon shares soared almost 37 percent to $34.04 during the first week of post-attack U.S. trading. 13

Raytheon has been fined millions of dollars inflating the costs of equipment it sells the US military. Raytheon has a secretive subsidiary, E-Systems, whose clients have included the CIA and NSA. 14

US Treasury Notes

Five-year US Treasury notes were purchased in abnormally high volumes before the attack, and their buyers were rewarded with sharp increases in their value following the attack.

The Wall Street Journal reported on October 2 that the ongoing investigation by the SEC into suspicious stock trades had been joined by a Secret Service probe into an unusually high volume of five-year US Treasury note purchases prior to the attacks. The Treasury note transactions included a single $5 billion trade. As the Journal explained: "Five-year Treasury notes are among the best investments in the event of a world crisis, especially one that hits the US. The notes are prized for their safety and their backing by the US government, and usually rally when investors flee riskier investments, such as stocks." The value of these notes, the Journal pointed out, has risen sharply since the events of September 11. 15

The SEC's Investigation

Shortly after the attack the SEC circulated a list of stocks to securities firms around the world seeking information. 16 A widely circulated article states that the stocks flagged by the SEC included those of the following corporations: American Airlines, United Airlines, Continental Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Southwest Airlines, US Airways airlines, Martin, Boeing, Lockheed Martin Corp., AIG, American Express Corp, American International Group, AMR Corporation, AXA SA, Bank of America Corp, Bank of New York Corp, Bank One Corp, Cigna Group, CNA Financial, Carnival Corp, Chubb Group, John Hancock Financial Services, Hercules Inc., L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc., LTV Corporation, Marsh & McLennan Cos. Inc., MetLife, Progressive Corp., General Motors, Raytheon, W.R. Grace, Royal Caribbean Cruises, Ltd., Lone Star Technologies, American Express, the Citigroup Inc., Royal & Sun Alliance, Lehman Brothers Holdings, Inc., Vornado Reality Trust, Morgan Stanley, Dean Witter & Co., XL Capital Ltd., and Bear Stearns.

An October 19 article in the San Francisco Chronicle reported that the SEC, after a period of silence, had undertaken the unprecedented action of deputizing hundreds of private officials in its investigation:

The proposed system, which would go into effect immediately, effectively deputizes hundreds, if not thousands, of key players in the private sector.
...
In a two-page statement issued to "all securities-related entities" nationwide, the SEC asked companies to designate senior personnel who appreciate "the sensitive nature" of the case and can be relied upon to "exercise appropriate discretion" as "point" people linking government investigators and the industry. 17

Michael Ruppert, a former LAPD officer, explains the consequences of this action:

What happens when you deputize someone in a national security or criminal investigation is that you make it illegal for them to disclose publicly what they know. Smart move. In effect, they become government agents and are controlled by government regulations rather than their own conscience. In fact, they can be thrown in jail without a hearing if they talk publicly. I have seen this implied threat time and again with federal investigations, intelligence agents, and even members of the United States Congress who are bound so tightly by secrecy oaths and agreements that they are not even able to disclose criminal activities inside the government for fear of incarceration. 18

Interpreting and Reinterpreting the Data

An analysis of the press reports on the subject of apparent insider trading related to the attack shows a trend, with early reports highlighting the anomalies, and later reports excusing them. In his book Crossing the Rubicon Michael C. Ruppert illustrates this point by first excerpting a number of reports published shortly after the attack:

A jump in UAL (United Airlines) put options 90 times (not 90 percent) above normal between September 6 and September 10, and 285 times higher than average on the Thursday before the attack.
-- CBS News, September 26
A jump in American Airlines put options 60 times (not 60 percent) above normal on the day before the attacks.
-- CBS News, September 26
No similar trading occurred on any other airlines
-- Bloomberg Business Report, the Institute for Counterterrorism (ICT), Herzliyya, Israel [citing data from the CBOE] 3
Morgan Stanley saw, between September 7 and September 10, an increase of 27 times (not 27 percent) in the purchase of put options on its shares. 4
Merrill-Lynch saw a jump of more than 12 times the normal level of put options in the four trading days before the attacks. 5

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...es/DV8UGXXcwJU

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@ Micele : Als u even aanneemt dat 9/11 geen inside job was, dan zou de wapenindustrie toch ook net zo goed voordeel hebben gehad , en was de militairy spending toch ook omhoog geknald??

kortom, het feit dat bepaalde mensen verdienen aan oorlogen bewijst geen inside job.
Heel vaak hebben bestuurders baat bij een verschrikkelijke gebeurtenis.
Denk bijvoorbeeld aan burgemeesters van een stad waar zich een ramp voltrekt. men kan zich, indien ze adequaat reageren, profileren.
Het betekend echter niet dat ze die ramp ook zelf veroorzaakt hebben.

[g_z]

Een vliegtuig vergt een piloot en/of een semi-automatisch besturingsysteem.

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door atmosphere

De echte wistle blower is niet Susan Lindauer, maar Micheal Schreuer(head of CIA's Bin Laden Unit )

die susan heeft helemaal niet voor de CIA gewerkt die is zo gek als een achterdeur

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gambassi

De wapenindustrie bloeit sinds 9/11.

ja voor 9/11 werden er geen wapens verkocht hilarisch

[Dixie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Micele

Te moeilijk voor dixie

je vertel weer onzin is het ooit anders de cijfers van defensie stegen al lang voor 9/11
http://comptroller.defense.gov/budget2001.html

[zonbron]

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Ik kan de documenten waar hierover gesproken word niet vinden, weet u waar ze te vinden zijn? ondertussen zoek ik verder.

New York Post - Inside the Saudi 9/11 coverup
16 december 2013

After the 9/11 attacks, the public was told al Qaeda acted alone, with no state sponsors.

But the White House never let it see an entire section of Congress’ investigative report on 9/11 dealing with “specific sources of foreign support” for the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals.

It was kept secret and remains so today.

President Bush inexplicably censored 28 full pages of the 800-page report. Text isn’t just blacked-out here and there in this critical-yet-missing middle section. The pages are completely blank, except for dotted lines where an estimated 7,200 words once stood (this story by comparison is about 1,000 words).

A pair of lawmakers who recently read the redacted portion say they are “absolutely shocked” at the level of foreign state involvement in the attacks.

Reps. Walter Jones (R-NC) and Stephen Lynch (D-Mass.) can’t reveal the nation identified by it without violating federal law. So they’ve proposed Congress pass a resolution asking President Obama to declassify the entire 2002 report, “Joint Inquiry Into Intelligence Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001.”

Some information already has leaked from the classified section, which is based on both CIA and FBI documents, and it points back to Saudi Arabia, a presumed ally.

The Saudis deny any role in 9/11, but the CIA in one memo reportedly found “incontrovertible evidence” that Saudi government officials — not just wealthy Saudi hardliners, but high-level diplomats and intelligence officers employed by the kingdom — helped the hijackers both financially and logistically. The intelligence files cited in the report directly implicate the Saudi embassy in Washington and consulate in Los Angeles in the attacks, making 9/11 not just an act of terrorism, but an act of war.

The findings, if confirmed, would back up open-source reporting showing the hijackers had, at a minimum, ties to several Saudi officials and agents while they were preparing for their attacks inside the United States. In fact, they got help from Saudi VIPs from coast to coast:

... (lees verder via de doorverwijzing)

[Scorpio]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gambassi

1+1 = 2

Moeilijk hé jongen.

De insinuatie dat het een inside job was omdat de wapenindustrie van de nasleep van 9/11 geprofiteerd heeft is heel simpel, en vooral heel simplistisch.

Als er morgen een vliegtuig neerstort in Antwerpen en daar vallen 500 doden, wil dat dan zeggen dat de Antwerpse begrafenisondernemers dat vliegtuig hebben laten neerstorten omdat zij hier een mooie cent aan verdienen? Tenslotte: 1 + 1 = 2...

[Gambassi]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Scorpio

De insinuatie dat het een inside job was omdat de wapenindustrie van de nasleep van 9/11 geprofiteerd heeft is heel simpel, en vooral heel simplistisch.

Als er morgen een vliegtuig neerstort in Antwerpen en daar vallen 500 doden, wil dat dan zeggen dat de Antwerpse begrafenisondernemers dat vliegtuig hebben laten neerstorten omdat zij hier een mooie cent aan verdienen? Tenslotte: 1 + 1 = 2...

1. Het gaat niet over Antwerpen.
Het gaat over het verklaren van alles wat contra-Amerikaans is tot terrorist.

2. Al eens de gevolgen van deze Kristalnacht goed op een rijtje gezet ?
Persoonlijke vrijheid gaat richting nul ,
de overheid moeit zich plots met ALLES.

[g_z]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gambassi

1+1 = 2

Moeilijk hé jongen.

Oorzaak en gevolg bekijken en logische conclusies trekken.

Drinkt u nog een Colaatje, smoor een Marlborooke of neem een Mc Donaldsburgerke, kuddeschaapke.

Precies.