De grote 9/11 topic

[Frank51]

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De ondergrond in Iran is niet dezelfde als in die Shanksville.
het gesteente in de grond bij Shanksville zorgt voor een kleinere krater
en een groter aantal stukken vliegtuig + alles wat er in zat.

Svonavec Inc, zegt u dat iets?
Ze haalden kolen uit de grond.
Om het officiële verhaal wat te ondersteunen, zou je beter zeggen dat de ondergrond zeer zacht is, zodat de hele Boeing zich kon begraven.
Even vermelden hoor.

Probeer nog eens. Pas je verhaal aan.

[Frank51]

Interviews met getuigen uit Shanksville??

HIERZIE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ

Volgens mij de belangrijkste getuige
Zeg mij eens waarom deze lieve vrouw zou liegen..

[Frank51]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QtzVC4uIS8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wSSe8mMOM

[Frank51]

Ola, deze kerel weet zelfs hoe snel het vliegtuig ging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd3heMLlEVc
Wat hebben ze met die arme man gedaan?

[Dixie]

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Toon jij ze dan

ze staan in deze topic bekijk ze dan! reageer jij altijd zomaar op een topic zonder die in het begin te volgen of ben je een dubbelnicker?

[Frank51]

Ben niet zot om duizenden posts van jaren oud te lezen. En nee, ik heb geen dubbelnick.

[Dixie]

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Ben niet zot om duizenden posts van jaren oud te lezen.

Goed je bent dus NIET geïnteresseerd in de WAARHEID, had dat dan in het begin gezegd...

[Frank51]

De waarheid moet ik idd nog ontdekken. Ik ben op dit moment nog te erg gebrainwashed door de media.
Bv dat er 3 gebouwen instortten of dat er nanothermiet gevonden werd...

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Interviews met getuigen uit Shanksville??

HIERZIE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gliHOhXYFQ

Volgens mij de belangrijkste getuige
Zeg mij eens waarom deze lieve vrouw zou liegen..

Deze vrouw heeft de crash zelf niet gezien ! ze liegt niet
Ze zag wel een toestel vliegen , maar niet vlucht 93
Zij is dus geen ooggetuige van de crash !!
anderen waren dat wel.

Two other airplanes were flying near the hijacked United Airlines jet when it crashed in Somerset County, but neither had anything to do with the airliner's fate, the FBI said yesterday.

In fact, one of the planes, a Fairchild Falcon 20 business jet, was directed to the crash site to help rescuers. The request for the jet to fly low and obtain the coordinates for the crash explains reports by people in the vicinity who said a white or silver jet flew by moments after the crash.

[Frank51]

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Deze vrouw heeft de crash zelf niet gezien ! ze liegt niet
Ze zag wel een toestel vliegen , maar niet vlucht 93
Zij is dus geen ooggetuige van de crash !!
anderen waren dat wel.

Nee tuurlijk was ze geen getuige van de crash van Flight 93.
Maar direct nadat ze het "witte ding" zag vliegen over de bomen was er de ontploffing.

In de quote staat dat de Falcon "moments after the crash" ter plekke ging kijken. Dat moet minstens enkele minuten zijn, zoniet meer. Zo'n vliegtuig vliegt ook 10km hoog.

"The FBI's later explanation for the white jet was that a passing civilian Fairchild Falcon 20 jet was asked to descend from 34,000ft to 5,000ft some minutes after the crash to give co-ordinates for the site. "

Susan Mcelwain zag dit vliegtuig NIET.

[Frank51]

Flight 93 Did Not Crash In Shanksville it continued flying over Indian Lake

Part I : The Crash Site & Crater and Origins Thereof

To date the FBI has not presented anything near enough evidence to support the claims of over 90% of United Airlines Flight 93 being recovered from the Shanksville crash site. The only piece of recognizable debris in the 10’ deep hole is part on an engine. Coincidentally enough one witness I spoke with who stood in front of that hole that morning swore up and down to me there was no way there was an entire airplane in it. He stated that he had flown on plenty of commercial airliners in his life and was well familiar with how large they are and told me that the hole was more like the size of an engine than an entire plane.

Of all the witnesses I spoke with, including Coroner Wally Miller, I waited for one of them to describe to me the massive 100’ gash in the ground caused by the impacting wings yet not one of them ever made any mention of this. But like all the other witnesses I have spoken with even Wally Miller when recalling the event was still astonished at the size of it. He wanted to clarify that the images most people seen showing this big hole in the ground were after the work had been done there and what it was that morning resembled nothing of the sort.

Bob Blair and Doug Miller were driving on Route 30 that morning. Suddenly they noticed a low flying plane flying with its wings vertical to the ground. As they approached Stoystown Auto Wreckers they watched it disappear behind the treeline. Not long thereafter they noticed smoke rising up and drove towards it. As they approached the crash site someone driving away from it in a pickup truck flagged them down and told them a plane had crashed and then drove off away from the scene. Was this Lee Purbaugh? At this time one can only assume.

Bob and Doug said when they arrived at the scene there was no one else present. Bob stated whoever they had passed had to be the 1st person to see as they were no doubt 2nd & 3rd . What they found when they got there astonished them. There was nothing. There were some fires. Bob and Doug immediately grabbed the fire extinguishers they carry in the work truck and extinguished what fires there were before the arrival of Stoystown Fire Department .

Both had stated they did not see neither human remains nor any recognizable airplane debris. Bob further stated he saw a burning tire that they had a heard time extinguishing and something that resembled a gear box as he called. Both corroborated others stories of how small the crater actually was.

What I find most troubling is that it took me nearly 5 minutes to drive to the crash site from Stoystown Auto Wreckers and Rollock Scrap Yard is less than 100 yards from the crash site and yet none of their employees seemed to have gone out to the scene. Instead it was Bob & Doug arriving several minutes later.

Personally, I think the lack of witnesses from Rollock and the man driving away from the scene all saw something else but we’ll save that for later.

In between where Bob & Doug saw the plane and its alleged final resting place was Viola Saylor. Outside in her backyard that morning Viola heard the massive roar of the planes engines as it passed by just above the treetops on her property. She was walking towards her backdoor when the plane came screaming directly over her house right at her. She described feeling a “pressure” as it passed overhead and said it had taken the leaves off the tops of the trees . And it passed. And then the noise was gone. Everything became real quiet and she heard someone in the distance scream “Oh my God!!!”. Then there was a thud.

Viola lived very close to the crash site at that time. Had the plane crashed as alleged she would have never had noticed a silence let alone hear someone cry out in the distance before it impacted. The plane was traveling over at an alleged 500mph.

Since Lee Purbaugh the only alleged impact witness chose not to speak with me after receiving advice from an attorney I have to turn to Susan McElwain for what took place next.

Susan was on the opposite end of Viola. She was driving north that morning on Bridge St. in Stoystown less than a mile southwest of the crash site. First lets talk about what Susan did not see on her side of the crash site : a 757. Allegedly while Susan is approaching the stop sign and her experience takes place a 757 is diving towards the ground less than a mile in front of her. Susan did not see one because it was already gone.

As for where it went that we’ll get into later.

Suddenly a small white plane passes right over Susan’s vehicle flying so low to the ground it has to pull up in order to avoid crashing into the row of trees at the Bridge St & Buckstown Rd intersection. It is so low in fact that Susan’s first thoughts were “Oh my God, he’s gonna crash, he’s gonna crash”. The plane vanished behind the treeline and seconds later a smoke cloud began to rise.

In between both of these witnesses are 2 witnesses I am not making public per their request but who have told me their stories in detail even after initially denying seeing anything.

One woman’s husband witnessed the whole event. He is deceased now. She would not tell me what he told her but elected to say “I can only tell you what I saw”. Her husband was on the porch when it happened. She was in the house. She heard a thud. Puzzled by it she went outside to see what had happened. When she got out there she noticed her husband was looking off towards the trees and that there was a small little white plane in the sky. She said seconds later she began to notice smoke rising up over the treeline directly below this “strange little white plane” as she described it. She then further corroborated Susan’s description of it but adding that it had a small window on the front which led her to believe it had an occupant. When I inquired as to whether it was capable of carrying passengers like a small corporate plane she clearly stated this was not possible.

Also outside at this time was her neighbor who I also spoke with. The neighbor arrived outside after the smoke had started to rise but other than that corroborated every single other detail the previous witness stated.

Southwest of the crash site was the Salt Mill where Rick Chaney was working when this event took place. Rick felt a rumble and noticed everyone else seemed to be heading to go outside. He then followed. When he got outside he described seeing a small white plane which he too confirmed was not any type of passenger plane or corporate plane and could not accommodate groups of people. Said it looked military but not like anything he had ever seen before and that it made him think it was some sort of scout plane or something similar.

The other inconsistency is that the blast trajectory of the impact and the flight path conflict. One aerial photo clearly demonstrates the blast trajectory into the woods is in a southwest direction while Viola’s house is located northwest. Indian Lake is southeast of the crash site. This little fact was argued about with me by Wally Miller who insisted Indian Lake was in the direction of the trajectory but clearly this is not true.


Part II : If Not Shanksville Then Where?

In Loose Change : Final Cut Indian Lake Mayor Barry Lichty elaborates on his experience that morning. He says the power had gone off and he felt a tremor and then he heard what “sounded like a missile” come over his house because it was “going that fast”. Then he states that it “was coming from that direction” .

Barry says it wasn’t the aircraft that crashed though because Flight 93 never flew anywhere near of over Indian Lake according to the official story of it. But that’s because Barry has no reason to suspect the government is lying to him. There is no other explanation for what went screaming from the crash site immediately after the explosion than it was the plane witnessed by Bob, Doug, & Viola which if it continued to fly would have been in a direct path with Indian Lake.

Viola said that in order for the plane to have crashed the way they said it did compared to the way it was when she saw it the plane would have had to pull up and then nose dive into the ground which of course is aerodynamically impossible. It is interesting also to note that Viola turned down an opportunity to be an Official Ambassador at the Flight 93 Memorial because “I wouldn’t go along with the stories”.

So how do we get from the crash site to Indian Lake? Is there any witness in between the two to confirm this flight path?

The answer is yes and who it is will surprise you : Val McClatchey.

Val McClatchey lives Southeast of the crash site directly in between the site and Indian Lake. On the morning of 9/11 Val was sitting on her couch when she first heard Flight 93 fly over head. The problem is Flight 93 never flew over her house. After she heard the plane she said she looked outside the window and caught a glimpse of it before it crashed. But knowing what I know from all the other eyewitnesses this simply cannot be true.

She only could have heard Flight 93 flyover towards the crash site as Susan did not see the plane and I have corroborated her claims of the small white plane being there at the exact time with the other eyewitness discussed earlier.

Claims of Flight 93 flying over Indian Lake can be found in every local paper in Pennsylvania and lists a group of names for being having heard the plane fly overhead including : Indian Lake Marina Manager Jim Brandt, Indian Lake Marina Employees John Fleegle and Carol Delasko, Indian Lake Golf Course Employee Chris Smith, and Jim Stop who was reportedly fishing in Indian Lake and actually watched the plane fly overhead. According to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review Jim witnessed the plane losing pieces as it flew over.

No one at Indian Lake can ever hear Flight 93 flyover if the official story is true. Indian Lake is 3 miles southeast of the alleged impact site. No one witnessed Flight 93 approach the crashsite from the Southeast but from the Northwest. This indicates the plane continued on past the alleged impact spot in a direct line most likely ascending.

Part III : What Happened to the Passengers?

This is always the last question people have when told a plane did not crash in the Shanksville field. Which while we’re at it isn’t even really Shanksville but Lambertsville. This is just another thing the American people have been lied to about. But onto the story of Wally Miller and human remains…..

Not one person witnessed human remains at the Flight 93 crash site on 9/11. Despite many people searching for remains of anything throughout the immediate area none were seen. Naturally I found this to be very surprising when Wally Miller showed me the photographs he took on the following day after stating he too did not discover any remains on the 11th.

The photographs Wally took showed very little evidence of human remains. So little one could attribute it all to coming from one human being. There were several photos of a severed left arm, a couple which appeared to be a human scalp, and lastly a couple of what appeared to be an organ perhaps a heart or lung it was hard to distinguish in the photo. The amazing part is that all of these remains photographed by Wally on the 12th were in plain view laying in dirt. The only dirt in the vicinity is the dirt road which the plane allegedly crashed by. Everyone was traveling up and down this road and many people wondered off into the area of the blast trajectory into the woods. None reported seeing any such thing and let me tell you the half an arm would have easily been noticed.

Wally Miller never found a drop of blood at the crash site. Despite a severed arm laying in dirt along with what appeared to be internal organs none of them left a single trace of blood where they were recovered.

Instead the FBI recovered the remains and proceeded to bring them into the DMORT facility they erected for Miller and the task of identifying the deceased. The FBI then in turn would bring the remains to Miller without any proper documentation of their chain of custody or place of location.

The FBI also provided Miller the list of names of who he would find and provided samples of those said individuals to Miller.

So they gave Miller the names of the victims, the remains of the victims, & the DNA samples to test against those remains to confirm their identities. The FBI took Wally Miller by the hand and led him down the path of the deceived. And with that they accomplished their necessary ending to their story in Shanksville.

That is my conclusion based on over 2.5 years researching hands on with many many hours logged interviewing eyewitnesses in person, over the phone, through email, & on video. Taken their accounts and seeing how they fit with the little one sentences released by the corporate media of other witnesses and putting the puzzle together.

Ultimately I cannot tell you what happened to the plane that fly in front of Bob Blair & Doug Miller, passed Viola Saylor, & then heard flying overhead by McClatchey and all the Indian Lake residents. But I can tell you it did not crash in a field in Lambertsville on the morning of 9/11 and the case made that it did by the US Government and 9/11 Commission and corporate media fails epically to scrutiny and a new fully open public transparent hearing is necessary to finally finding out and understanding the truth of what really happened on the morning of 9/11.

[Frank51]

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Zij is dus geen ooggetuige van de crash !!
anderen waren dat wel.

Ik vind geen ooggetuigen van de crash. Geef me eens een video.
Het enige wat ik tot nu toe gevonden heb is die ouwe pee waar er iets mee scheelt.

[Micele]

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Ik vind geen ooggetuigen van de crash. Geef me eens een video.
Het enige wat ik tot nu toe gevonden heb is die ouwe pee waar er iets mee scheelt.

Welke -complete- crash ? Bewijs ?

Donald Rumsfeld (en hij was toen baas Defensie) heeft het niet over een complete crash... maar duidelijk over een shot down the plane over Pen... dus een crash in stukken en stukjes (debris)...

I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/27/rumsfeld.flt93/

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/


Debris fields from Flight 93 were scattered across eight miles.

As noted on the pages describing Flight 93 and its crash site, there were a number of debris fields. Small debris descended over Indian Lake and New Baltimore, about three and eight miles from the primary crash site, and an engine core was separated from the main impact crater by about 2000 feet.

Motor gevonden op 2000 voet = 610 m, wat wil men noch meer ?

Naja irrelevant, of ze kunnen het gewoon -officieel- bevestigen, ocharme toch de kronkelaars.

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Ik vind geen ooggetuigen van de crash. Geef me eens een video.
Het enige wat ik tot nu toe gevonden heb is die ouwe pee waar er iets mee scheelt.

Hier alvast 3 getuigen :

https://youtu.be/xkivdEGph9A?t=114

Verder zijn er nog veel meer te vinden op video , die zeggen dat ze geen
"dead bodys" zagen.

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Welke -complete- crash ? Bewijs ?

Donald Rumsfeld (en hij was toen baas Defensie) heeft het niet over een complete crash... maar duidelijk over een shot down the plane over Pen... dus een crash in stukken en stukjes (debris)...

En over wie spreekt hij dan ??

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/


Debris fields from Flight 93 were scattered across eight miles.

As noted on the pages describing Flight 93 and its crash site, there were a number of debris fields. Small debris descended over Indian Lake and New Baltimore, about three and eight miles from the primary crash site, and an engine core was separated from the main impact crater by about 2000 feet.

Motor gevonden op 2000 voet = 610 m, wat wil men noch meer ?

Naja irrelevant, of ze kunnen het gewoon -officieel- bevestigen, ocharme toch de kronkelaars.

1 probleem , de motor was niet op 2000 voet afstand van de krater gevonden
waar haalt u dat idee vandaan??
Zoals heel vaak is ook deze theorie aan de basis al onjuist.

+ Er is geen zwaar puin van het toestel gevonden op grotere afstand dan
pakweg 300 meter van de crash site.

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Flight 93 Did Not Crash In Shanksville it continued flying over Indian Lake

Part I : The Crash Site & Crater and Origins Thereof

To date the FBI has not presented anything near enough evidence to support the claims of over 90% of United Airlines Flight 93 being recovered from the Shanksville crash site. The only piece of recognizable debris in the 10’ deep hole is part on an engine. Coincidentally enough one witness I spoke with who stood in front of that hole that morning swore up and down to me there was no way there was an entire airplane in it. He stated that he had flown on plenty of commercial airliners in his life and was well familiar with how large they are and told me that the hole was more like the size of an engine than an entire plane.

Of all the witnesses I spoke with, including Coroner Wally Miller, I waited for one of them to describe to me the massive 100’ gash in the ground caused by the impacting wings yet not one of them ever made any mention of this. But like all the other witnesses I have spoken with even Wally Miller when recalling the event was still astonished at the size of it. He wanted to clarify that the images most people seen showing this big hole in the ground were after the work had been done there and what it was that morning resembled nothing of the sort.

Bob Blair and Doug Miller were driving on Route 30 that morning. Suddenly they noticed a low flying plane flying with its wings vertical to the ground. As they approached Stoystown Auto Wreckers they watched it disappear behind the treeline. Not long thereafter they noticed smoke rising up and drove towards it. As they approached the crash site someone driving away from it in a pickup truck flagged them down and told them a plane had crashed and then drove off away from the scene. Was this Lee Purbaugh? At this time one can only assume.

Bob and Doug said when they arrived at the scene there was no one else present. Bob stated whoever they had passed had to be the 1st person to see as they were no doubt 2nd & 3rd . What they found when they got there astonished them. There was nothing. There were some fires. Bob and Doug immediately grabbed the fire extinguishers they carry in the work truck and extinguished what fires there were before the arrival of Stoystown Fire Department .

Both had stated they did not see neither human remains nor any recognizable airplane debris. Bob further stated he saw a burning tire that they had a heard time extinguishing and something that resembled a gear box as he called. Both corroborated others stories of how small the crater actually was.

What I find most troubling is that it took me nearly 5 minutes to drive to the crash site from Stoystown Auto Wreckers and Rollock Scrap Yard is less than 100 yards from the crash site and yet none of their employees seemed to have gone out to the scene. Instead it was Bob & Doug arriving several minutes later.

Personally, I think the lack of witnesses from Rollock and the man driving away from the scene all saw something else but we’ll save that for later.

In between where Bob & Doug saw the plane and its alleged final resting place was Viola Saylor. Outside in her backyard that morning Viola heard the massive roar of the planes engines as it passed by just above the treetops on her property. She was walking towards her backdoor when the plane came screaming directly over her house right at her. She described feeling a “pressure” as it passed overhead and said it had taken the leaves off the tops of the trees . And it passed. And then the noise was gone. Everything became real quiet and she heard someone in the distance scream “Oh my God!!!”. Then there was a thud.

Viola lived very close to the crash site at that time. Had the plane crashed as alleged she would have never had noticed a silence let alone hear someone cry out in the distance before it impacted. The plane was traveling over at an alleged 500mph.

Since Lee Purbaugh the only alleged impact witness chose not to speak with me after receiving advice from an attorney I have to turn to Susan McElwain for what took place next.

Susan was on the opposite end of Viola. She was driving north that morning on Bridge St. in Stoystown less than a mile southwest of the crash site. First lets talk about what Susan did not see on her side of the crash site : a 757. Allegedly while Susan is approaching the stop sign and her experience takes place a 757 is diving towards the ground less than a mile in front of her. Susan did not see one because it was already gone.

As for where it went that we’ll get into later.

Suddenly a small white plane passes right over Susan’s vehicle flying so low to the ground it has to pull up in order to avoid crashing into the row of trees at the Bridge St & Buckstown Rd intersection. It is so low in fact that Susan’s first thoughts were “Oh my God, he’s gonna crash, he’s gonna crash”. The plane vanished behind the treeline and seconds later a smoke cloud began to rise.

In between both of these witnesses are 2 witnesses I am not making public per their request but who have told me their stories in detail even after initially denying seeing anything.

One woman’s husband witnessed the whole event. He is deceased now. She would not tell me what he told her but elected to say “I can only tell you what I saw”. Her husband was on the porch when it happened. She was in the house. She heard a thud. Puzzled by it she went outside to see what had happened. When she got out there she noticed her husband was looking off towards the trees and that there was a small little white plane in the sky. She said seconds later she began to notice smoke rising up over the treeline directly below this “strange little white plane” as she described it. She then further corroborated Susan’s description of it but adding that it had a small window on the front which led her to believe it had an occupant. When I inquired as to whether it was capable of carrying passengers like a small corporate plane she clearly stated this was not possible.

Also outside at this time was her neighbor who I also spoke with. The neighbor arrived outside after the smoke had started to rise but other than that corroborated every single other detail the previous witness stated.

Southwest of the crash site was the Salt Mill where Rick Chaney was working when this event took place. Rick felt a rumble and noticed everyone else seemed to be heading to go outside. He then followed. When he got outside he described seeing a small white plane which he too confirmed was not any type of passenger plane or corporate plane and could not accommodate groups of people. Said it looked military but not like anything he had ever seen before and that it made him think it was some sort of scout plane or something similar.

The other inconsistency is that the blast trajectory of the impact and the flight path conflict. One aerial photo clearly demonstrates the blast trajectory into the woods is in a southwest direction while Viola’s house is located northwest. Indian Lake is southeast of the crash site. This little fact was argued about with me by Wally Miller who insisted Indian Lake was in the direction of the trajectory but clearly this is not true.


Part II : If Not Shanksville Then Where?

In Loose Change : Final Cut Indian Lake Mayor Barry Lichty elaborates on his experience that morning. He says the power had gone off and he felt a tremor and then he heard what “sounded like a missile” come over his house because it was “going that fast”. Then he states that it “was coming from that direction” .

Barry says it wasn’t the aircraft that crashed though because Flight 93 never flew anywhere near of over Indian Lake according to the official story of it. But that’s because Barry has no reason to suspect the government is lying to him. There is no other explanation for what went screaming from the crash site immediately after the explosion than it was the plane witnessed by Bob, Doug, & Viola which if it continued to fly would have been in a direct path with Indian Lake.

Viola said that in order for the plane to have crashed the way they said it did compared to the way it was when she saw it the plane would have had to pull up and then nose dive into the ground which of course is aerodynamically impossible. It is interesting also to note that Viola turned down an opportunity to be an Official Ambassador at the Flight 93 Memorial because “I wouldn’t go along with the stories”.

So how do we get from the crash site to Indian Lake? Is there any witness in between the two to confirm this flight path?

The answer is yes and who it is will surprise you : Val McClatchey.

Val McClatchey lives Southeast of the crash site directly in between the site and Indian Lake. On the morning of 9/11 Val was sitting on her couch when she first heard Flight 93 fly over head. The problem is Flight 93 never flew over her house. After she heard the plane she said she looked outside the window and caught a glimpse of it before it crashed. But knowing what I know from all the other eyewitnesses this simply cannot be true.

She only could have heard Flight 93 flyover towards the crash site as Susan did not see the plane and I have corroborated her claims of the small white plane being there at the exact time with the other eyewitness discussed earlier.

Claims of Flight 93 flying over Indian Lake can be found in every local paper in Pennsylvania and lists a group of names for being having heard the plane fly overhead including : Indian Lake Marina Manager Jim Brandt, Indian Lake Marina Employees John Fleegle and Carol Delasko, Indian Lake Golf Course Employee Chris Smith, and Jim Stop who was reportedly fishing in Indian Lake and actually watched the plane fly overhead. According to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review Jim witnessed the plane losing pieces as it flew over.

No one at Indian Lake can ever hear Flight 93 flyover if the official story is true. Indian Lake is 3 miles southeast of the alleged impact site. No one witnessed Flight 93 approach the crashsite from the Southeast but from the Northwest. This indicates the plane continued on past the alleged impact spot in a direct line most likely ascending.

Part III : What Happened to the Passengers?

This is always the last question people have when told a plane did not crash in the Shanksville field. Which while we’re at it isn’t even really Shanksville but Lambertsville. This is just another thing the American people have been lied to about. But onto the story of Wally Miller and human remains…..

Not one person witnessed human remains at the Flight 93 crash site on 9/11. Despite many people searching for remains of anything throughout the immediate area none were seen. Naturally I found this to be very surprising when Wally Miller showed me the photographs he took on the following day after stating he too did not discover any remains on the 11th.

The photographs Wally took showed very little evidence of human remains. So little one could attribute it all to coming from one human being. There were several photos of a severed left arm, a couple which appeared to be a human scalp, and lastly a couple of what appeared to be an organ perhaps a heart or lung it was hard to distinguish in the photo. The amazing part is that all of these remains photographed by Wally on the 12th were in plain view laying in dirt. The only dirt in the vicinity is the dirt road which the plane allegedly crashed by. Everyone was traveling up and down this road and many people wondered off into the area of the blast trajectory into the woods. None reported seeing any such thing and let me tell you the half an arm would have easily been noticed.

Wally Miller never found a drop of blood at the crash site. Despite a severed arm laying in dirt along with what appeared to be internal organs none of them left a single trace of blood where they were recovered.

Wie heeft dat artikel geschreven ????
Miller had inderdaad geen druppel bloed gevonden , maar wel 15000 stukken
menselijk vlees ! wat een domme interpretatie van zijn woorden zeg !



"We went through here on our hands and knees hundreds of times" Source
En hij was niet alleen , hij kreeg hulp van 250 vrijwilligers.

Het was een zeer extreme crash , met enorme snelheid (geen noodlanding !)
het gesteente ingeknalt met een zware explosie. Menselijke resten waren bijna allemaal zeer kleine fragmenten.

[Frank51]

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En over wie spreekt hij dan ??

1 probleem , de motor was niet op 2000 voet afstand van de krater gevonden
waar haalt u dat idee vandaan??
Zoals heel vaak is ook deze theorie aan de basis al onjuist.

+ Er is geen zwaar puin van het toestel gevonden op grotere afstand dan
pakweg 300 meter van de crash site.

Als je op deze foto's afgaat zou je idd kunnen stellen dat een motor in de buurt van de krater gevonden is.. Al is het moeilijk te bepalen waar juist die kraan staat.





Maar ja, dit wil niets zeggen. Het lijkt er zelfs op dat ze die motor daar in de grond verstopt hebben.

Als je de krantenartikels erbij haalt wordt jouw stelling tegengesproken

“One of the Boeing 757's engines, nearly intact, was recovered, but aside from that, the largest piece of debris was no larger than a briefcase, Szupinka said.” – Washington Post (09/14/01)

“Szupinka said searchers found one of the large engines from the aircraft "at a considerable distance from the crash site.”
“It appears to be the whole engine,” he added." - Pittsburgh Live (09/14/01)

[Ernie Stull, mayor] "I saw parts of the wreckage with my own eyes, even one of the engines. It was lying in the bushes." - Der Spiegel (09/08/03)

“Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." – Popular Mechanics (03/05)


"The biggest part I found was one of the plane's engines. It was about 600 yards from the crash site itself. I think they took it out with a winch on a bulldozer." - Sharon-Herald.com (10/08/01)

[Micele]

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“Experts on the scene tell PM that a fan from one of the engines was recovered in a catchment basin, downhill from the crash site. Jeff Reinbold, the National Park Service representative responsible for the Flight 93 National Memorial, confirms the direction and distance from the crash site to the basin: just over 300 yards south, which means the fan landed in the direction the jet was traveling. "It's not unusual for an engine to move or tumble across the ground," says Michael K. Hynes, an airline accident expert who investigated the crash of TWA Flight 800 out of New York City in 1996. "When you have very high velocities, 500 mph or more," Hynes says, "you are talking about 700 to 800 ft. per second. For something to hit the ground with that kind of energy, it would only take a few seconds to bounce up and travel 300 yards." – Popular Mechanics (03/05)


"The biggest part I found was one of the plane's engines. It was about 600 yards from the crash site itself. I think they took it out with a winch on a bulldozer." - Sharon-Herald.com (10/08/01)

Er zijn 2 engines, 1 wordt zeer wslk uitgegraven bij de krater, waar of iemand de foto van de 2e engine op 600 yards ?

btw Populair mechanics wordt duidelijk weerlegd...

An article in Popular Mechanics attempts to explain the far-flung debris by suggesting that the engine "tumbl[ed] across the ground" and that the light debris was "blasted skyward by the heat of the explosion from the crash." Such scenarios are impossible given the nature of the crash, wherein the plane dove into the soft ground from a nearly vertical trajectory. This is evident in the deep impact crater whose shape mimics the cross-section of the aircraft, and by the agreement among eyewitness that the plane dropped from the sky in a vertical fashion.

[Micele]

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En over wie spreekt hij dan ??

Hoezo wie ? Het is eerder wat.

Lees het artikel van cnn, die journalisten zeggen het, of begrijpen die geen Engels en jij dan ook niet ? alweer in denial ?

In the speech, Rumsfeld made a passing reference to United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to stop al Qaeda hijackers.

But in his remarks, Rumsfeld referred to the "the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania."

A Pentagon spokesman insisted that Rumsfeld simply misspoke, but Internet conspiracy theorists seized on the reference to the plane having been shot down. "Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth, finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the tragedy" asked a posting on the Web site WorldNetDaily.com.
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/12/27/rumsfeld.flt93/

1 probleem , de motor was niet op 2000 voet afstand van de krater gevonden
waar haalt u dat idee vandaan??

Dat zie je toch ? Hoezo de motor, welke van de twee toch ? Of had die Boeing er maar ene ? LOL

Zoals heel vaak is ook deze theorie aan de basis al onjuist.

Waar haalt u dat idee vandaan dat dit onjuist zou zijn dat één van de 2 motoren op 2000 voet lag ? Waarom zou popular mechaniscs die éne motor op 2000 voet willen debunken moest die daar niet gevonden zijn ? LOL

+ Er is geen zwaar puin van het toestel gevonden op grotere afstand dan pakweg 300 meter van de crash site.

waar haalt u dat idee vandaan ? Voldoende artikels spreken van 600 yards dat is 550 meter.

"The biggest part I found was one of the plane's engines. It was about 600 yards from the crash site itself. I think they took it out with a winch on a bulldozer." - Sharon-Herald.com (10/08/01)

Naar die 2000 ft kan men zoeken, maar dat is maar 610 meter of niet-significant 60 m meer als 600 yards of 1800 feet.

Dus een motor lag toch op 300 meter van een quasi verticale crash in zachte grond ? Hoe kan dat ?

[Frank51]

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Welke -complete- crash ? Bewijs ?

Donald Rumsfeld (en hij was toen baas Defensie) heeft het niet over een complete crash... maar duidelijk over een shot down the plane over Pen... dus een crash in stukken en stukjes (debris)...

Inderdaad weinig bewijs van een gecrashte Boeing. Zo weinig dat je niet mag uitsluiten dat ze het er geplant hebben..
En dan zitten ze te klagen dat de mensen snel aan een complot denken. Mochten ze nu eens hun informatie transparant naar buiten gebracht hebben, was er nooit een probleem. Maar goed. Nu waren er duidelijk leugens in het spel.

Had Rumsfeld zich echt versproken of was dit opzettelijk zou je zich kunnen afvragen. Want vergeet niet dat een neergehaalde Boeing met een kogels nog altijd ergens moet crashen en dat was duidelijk niet in dat veld in Shanksville. De crash zou gelijkaardig zijn aan MH17 (neergehaald door kogels van ukraïnse jet btw. Zie ook http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-weapons.html). Veel meer debris.

Als we ervan uitgaan dat de Boeing neergehaald is met een raket, dan zou het vliegtuig ontploft zijn. 100% zeker. Want dit zijn altijd hittezoekende raketten en die gaan naar de motor waardoor de kerosine in de vleugel ontploft. Dan stel ik de vraag: waar is de rookpluim in de lucht (of ontplofte die heel laag)? En waar zijn de getuigen? Er is maar 1 rookpluim gezien en dat was van die witte remote control raket die in dat veld plofte.