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#522 |
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![]() Maar geloofde hij in de God van Spinoza? Voor hem waren God en de (wetten van de) natuur hetzelfde.
Als er geen vrije wil is wordt men daar volledig door bepaald. Als er wel vrije wil is wordt men er deels door bepaald.
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Duck Dynasty Star Finds New Controversy in Anti-Atheist Speech I’ll make a bet with you. Two guys break into an atheist’s home. He has a little atheist wife and two little atheist daughters. Two guys break into his home and tie him up in a chair and gag him. And then they take his two daughters in front of him and rape both of them and then shoot them and they take his wife and then decapitate her head off in front of him. And then they can look at him and say, ‘Isn’t it great that I don’t have to worry about being judged? Isn’t it great that there’s nothing wrong with this? There’s no right or wrong, now is it dude?’ Then you take a sharp knife and take his manhood and hold it in front of him and say, ‘Wouldn’t it be something if this [sic] was something wrong with this? But you’re the one who says there is no God, there’s no right, there’s no wrong, so we’re just having fun. We’re sick in the head, have a nice day.’ The moral of the tale? “If it happens to them, they probably would say, ‘Something about this just ain’t right,'” Robertson said. |
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Gristengekkie dus. Some fundamental Christians, like Robertson, believe that morality is dependent on the existence of God and by rejecting God, atheists also reject morals. Net als jij dus. Geen enkel moraal zonder de mogelijke "straf" van later.
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Vandaar die haat en bereidheid tot geweld, aangezien hun almachtige Schepper het telkens laat afweten. Dan maar zelf in aktie komen en mensen dwingen mee te buigen voor de Dwerg der Hemelen. Dit is wel aardig, sommige mensen w�*llen onderdaan zijn, een Führer hebben, of die nu God, Allah, Stalin, Hitler, OBL heet doet er niet toe. Kruipen door het stof, dat willen ze.
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#528 |
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![]() Wat dus niet waar is. Dat is nou precies de kern van het verhaal. Als die gast, of jij, zegt dat een atheïst het goed zou moeten vinden als mensen vermoord worden, geef je aan dat jij van jezelf denkt dat jij mensen zou vermoorden als je niet gelovig was. Ja, dat is wat die man daar zegt, lees maar na. Oftewel: je zou het doen als je dacht dat je ermee weg kon komen. Wij niet moordende ongelovigen moorden niet omdat we dat niet aardig vinden, we zouden zelf ook niet vermoord willen worden. Dat heet empathie. Het is misschien moeilijk te geloven, maar wij zouden nog steeds niet moorden als er compleet geen repercussies waren.
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#529 | |
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De torah is alleen maar vol van dood en verderf met god, soms lijfelijk aanwezig, als opper beul.
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#530 | |
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Leuk verhaal, maar de praktijk wijst anders uit. Het waren de communistische/atheistische regimes die met tientallen miljoenen hun eigen volk uitmoordden in de 20e eeuw: http://www.activistpost.com/2012/02/...new-world.html According to Professor R.J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii, Democide is the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder. Democide does not include soldiers killed in battle. During the 20th Century (1900s) alone, Rummel calculates that government power was used to murder approximately 262,000,000 people. Soviet Union Approximately 61,911,000 people, 54,769,000 of them citizens, were murdered by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from 1917 to 1987. Rummel writes: Part of this mass killing was genocide, as in the wholesale murder of hundreds of thousands of Don Cossacks in 1919, the intentional starving of about 5,000,000 Ukrainian peasants to death in 1932-33,2 or the deportation to mass death of 50,000 to 60,000 Estonians in 1949.3 Part was mass murder, as of the wholesale extermination of perhaps 6,500,000 "kulaks" (in effect, the better off peasants and those resisting collectivization) from 1930 to 1937, the execution of perhaps a million Party members in the Great Terror of 1937-38, and the massacre of all Trotskyites in the forced labor camps. Most people are unaware that all that death resulting from the Bolshevik Revolution would not have been possible absent the support of wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution. Additionally, it was President Woodrow Wilson that provided Trotsky with a passport to return to Russia to "carry forward" the revolution. China Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. - Mao Zedong Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution [40 million people murdered], it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.– David Rockefeller (CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, Chase Bank) Since 1949 the Chinese communists killed from 5,999,000 to 102,671,000 people; a prudent estimate is 35,236,000. When added to the number they murdered in previous years, the communists likely killed 38,702,000 Chinese, Tibetans, and other minorities. No other people in the last century except Soviet citizens have suffered so much mass killing in cold blood as have the Chinese. In 1972, then National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger and President Richard Nixon had no problem meeting with Mao, after Mao’s Great Leap Forward, which banned private property and resulted in the murder/starvation of millions of Chinese. This meeting improved U.S. Chinese relations so that U.S. economy could later be destroyed by outsourcing manufacturing to communist China. Nazi Germany Nazi Germany was a ruthlessly efficient killing machine from 1933 to 1945. By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age. And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths. Of course, the Nazis did not lose the war, only the German people lost the war. The Nazis simply relocated to the United States under Operation Paperclip and South America (Grey Wolf). It is important to realize that Hitler’s rise to power was made possible by Wall Street banksters and American industrialist. Anthony Sutton’s Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler demonstrates that the Nazi’s received support from Henry Ford, General Electric, ITT, Texaco, Wall Street houses — Dillon, Read; Harris, Forbes, Morgan and Chase banks, and banker Paul Warburg (co-founder of the private Federal Reserve), Standard Oil's [Rockefeller] role was technical aid to Nazi development of synthetic rubber and gasoline through a U.S. research company under the management control of Standard Oil. The Ethyl Gasoline Company, jointly owned by Standard Oil of New Jersey and General Motors, was instrumental in supplying vital ethyl lead to Nazi Germany — over the written protests of the U.S. War Department — with the clear knowledge that the ethyl lead was for Nazi military purposes. Prescott Bush also helped Hitler’s rise to power.George W. Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. A financial firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism. His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave laborers at Auschwitz. Vietnam and Southeast Asia U.S. policy toward the third world should be one of depopulation- Henry Kissinger (CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg) Professor Rummel calculates that at least 3,761,000 people were murdered by governments in Southeast Asia from 1945 to 1987. This period includes U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. According to James “Bo” Gritz, America’s most decorated Green Beret commander, U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War served three purposes for the “international planners.” Most significant was the genocide in Southeast Asia, through a policy of drawn-out, no-win warfare which resulted in the combat deaths of more than 58,000 Americans and more than six million Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians. This policy permitted the collapse of the Lon Nol military government in Cambodia (Kampuchea) in order to make way for Pol Pot, who oversaw the slaughter of nearly half his countrymen. Cambodia Professor Rummel notes that in proportion to its population, Cambodia underwent a human catastrophe unparalleled in this century. Out of a 1970 population of probably near 7,100,000 Cambodia probably lost slightly less than 4,000,000 people to war, rebellion, man-made famine, genocide, politicide, and mass murder. The vast majority, almost 3,300,000 men, women, and children were murdered within the years 1970 to 1980 by successive governments and guerrilla groups. Most of these, a figure near 2,400,000, were murdered by the communist Khmer Rouge as directed by Pol Pot. |
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![]() Maar dat is je al honderden keren uitgelegd.
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Er staat zowat van alles in zijn lijstje,maar atheïsten zijn er in geen velden of wegen te bespeuren.... Gelukkig beperkt hij zich enkel tot de 20 ste eeuw wat zijn lijstje betreft.... Zo hoeft hij niet na te denken over de tientallen miljoenen slachtoffers die er in de voorgaande eeuwen zoal gevallen zijn door toedoen van godsdienstwaanzinnigen van zowat alle bekende geloofsstrekkingen in hun nietsontziende veroverings en bekeringstochten.... Jaja,god met ons,en waren ze zo eigenlijk niet beter dan de nazi's of de communisten wat moord en doodslag betreft.... Sterker nog,ze verheerlijken deze feiten zelfs nog in hun godsdienstige geschriften...... ![]() ![]() |
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![]() Gebaseerd op iets waar gelovigen bij gebrek eraan, het moeten doen met een denkbeeldig wezen: Een geweten. Voor jou best moeilijk te vatten.
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![]() Tja, filosoof hé.
Iedereen kan het worden.
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