Russische leiders in hun eigen woorden

[patrickve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door gunter5148

Survival of the fittest

of

Survival of the best (in de zin van "gutmensch" zijn)

Waar staan we als mensheid?

Daar is niks aan te kiezen. Het zijn zij die in de grootste getallen aanwezig zijn in de toekomst die winnen, en DAT noemen we de "beste". Je kan niet filosofisch kiezen wat nu "het beste" is in die survival ; het zijn die die het beste overleven die het beste zijn, punt.

Dat is heel fundamenteel, en tevens quasi tautologisch.

[Bach]

Putin 7 juli 2022

“Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield, well, what can I say, let them try. We have heard many times that the West wants to fight us to the last Ukrainian - this is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people. But it looks like it's all coming to this. But everyone should know that, by and large, we haven't really started anything yet.

At the same time, we do not refuse peace negotiations, but those who refuse should know that the longer it drags, the more difficult it will be for them to negotiate with us.

The West has failed and will not succeed in sowing discord and confusion in Russia. The collective West has been behaving exceptionally aggressively towards Russia for decades. They’re trying to impose a model of totalitarian liberalism & cancel-culture , but this is impossible. The attempts of the West to impose its world-order and to rewrite history are doomed to failure.”

ASB military news e.a.

[Bach]

Tevens: https://www.rt.com/russia/558593-put...nt-started-yet

[Wautd]

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[Voltian]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Bach

Putin 7 juli 2022

“Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield, well, what can I say, let them try. We have heard many times that the West wants to fight us to the last Ukrainian - this is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people. But it looks like it's all coming to this. But everyone should know that, by and large, we haven't really started anything yet.

At the same time, we do not refuse peace negotiations, but those who refuse should know that the longer it drags, the more difficult it will be for them to negotiate with us.

The West has failed and will not succeed in sowing discord and confusion in Russia. The collective West has been behaving exceptionally aggressively towards Russia for decades. They’re trying to impose a model of totalitarian liberalism & cancel-culture , but this is impossible. The attempts of the West to impose its world-order and to rewrite history are doomed to failure.”

ASB military news e.a.

Vooral die “totalitarian liberalism”. kunt ge nog een grotere contradictio in terminis hebben?

Laat em maar doen. We zullen het inderdaad zien…

[Bach]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Voltian

Vooral die “totalitarian liberalism”. kunt ge nog een grotere contradictio in terminis hebben?

Laat em maar doen. We zullen het inderdaad zien…

Interessante woordkeuze inderdaad. Aangegeven wordt hierdoor mijns inziens de kloof tussen discours en realiteit het westen wat betreft "vrijheid", "democratie" en "mensenrechten". Het is eerder een "We lie, we steal, we cheat " oligarchie in de praktijk.

[Bach]

De tekst die Russische minister van buitenlandse zaken Lavrov achter laat in het gastenboek van het ministerie van buitenlandse zaken in Vietnam tijdens zijn bezoek aldaar


Vertaling:

"With my great respect to the colleagues from the Ministry of International Affairs of Vietnam that are fighting with us for international rights based on the UN charter. We have a great common history that empowers us to strengthen the efforts to prevent the neo-colonial dictatorship."

Opvallende woordkeuze.

[kelt]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Bach

Putin 7 juli 2022

“Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield, well, what can I say, let them try. We have heard many times that the West wants to fight us to the last Ukrainian - this is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people. But it looks like it's all coming to this. But everyone should know that, by and large, we haven't really started anything yet.

At the same time, we do not refuse peace negotiations, but those who refuse should know that the longer it drags, the more difficult it will be for them to negotiate with us.

The West has failed and will not succeed in sowing discord and confusion in Russia. The collective West has been behaving exceptionally aggressively towards Russia for decades. They’re trying to impose a model of totalitarian liberalism & cancel-culture , but this is impossible. The attempts of the West to impose its world-order and to rewrite history are doomed to failure.”

ASB military news e.a.

Deze toespraak was overigens bedoeld voor intern gebruik in het Russische regeringsapparaat.
Maar het blijft fascinerend,en Rusland is niet uniek zeg ik er maar direct bij,hoe eerst een ander land binnengevallen wordt en vervolgens de blaam voor het aanslepen van een conflict bij de ander gelegd wordt of er beweerd wordt dat het lijden van de ander door nog weer andere oorzaken (invloed externe machten) verlengd wordt....

Geleidelijk wordt zo de Oekrainse VERDEDIGING als AGRESSIE tegen Rusland verkocht.

En het LUKT Mr Putin nog ook.....DAT is ook vakmanschap,dat moet grif toegegeven worden....

[patrickve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Bach

Interessante woordkeuze inderdaad. Aangegeven wordt hierdoor mijns inziens de kloof tussen discours en realiteit het westen wat betreft "vrijheid", "democratie" en "mensenrechten". Het is eerder een "We lie, we steal, we cheat " oligarchie in de praktijk.

Dat laatste is gewoon de eigenschap van overheid. Elke overheid. Het is er de bestaansreden van.

Het enige waaraan je vrijheid kan meten, is in de mate dat overheid kan tegengewerkt worden, da's al. Er zijn geen mirakel oplossingen die maken dat overheden beter zouden zijn dan andere ; er kunnen wel systemen zijn die maken dat overheden meer tegengewerkt worden dan anderen.

En ja, het is juist dat het westen ook ziet dat zijn mechanismen om overheden te begrenzen, aan het falen zijn, zoveel is zeker. Het lijkt erop dat eens het vergif van "overheid" er is, hoe stevig men daar ook veiligheidscordons heeft gelegd, het altijd erdoor sijpelt. Ook bij ons.

[Bach]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kelt

Deze toespraak was overigens bedoeld voor intern gebruik in het Russische regeringsapparaat.
Maar het blijft fascinerend,en Rusland is niet uniek zeg ik er maar direct bij,hoe eerst een ander land binnengevallen wordt en vervolgens de blaam voor het aanslepen van een conflict bij de ander gelegd wordt of er beweerd wordt dat het lijden van de ander door nog weer andere oorzaken (invloed externe machten) verlengd wordt....

Geleidelijk wordt zo de Oekrainse VERDEDIGING als AGRESSIE tegen Rusland verkocht.

En het LUKT Mr Putin nog ook.....DAT is ook vakmanschap,dat moet grif toegegeven worden....

Het is dan ook niet moeilijk te argumenteren dat er een agressieve oorlog een afvallige Donbass regio bezig was sinds 2014. Zelf nu nog krijgen Russen zowat dagelijks berichten te zien van burgerslachtoffers door Oekraïnse raketten op Donetsk. En dat is niet "het front". Militair heeft het geen zin de eigen steden te bestoken.

Of beluister de toespraken van Poroshenko sinds 2014. Dat is pure racistische hatesoeech tegen een deel van zijn 'eigen' bevolking. Hij toont duidelijk de oost Oekraïners als sub humans te bekijken en belooft hen dat hun kinderen in schuilkelders zullen leven terwijl die in het westen van het land doorvoed naar school zullen gaan. Oekraïne heeft al lang alle recht verloren op het oosten van Oekraïne.

Oekraïne was een verdeeld land en de VS (met in haar kielzog veel te gehoorzame Europeanen gevangen in een NATO corset) heeft dat uitgebuit als onderdeel van een verdeel en heers strategie mbt Oekraïne die ook reeds lang bekend is.

Nee. Het is echt niet moeilijk voor Rusland om mensen te overtuigen dat de oorlog reeds minstens 8 jaren bezig is.

[Erw]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Voltian

Vooral die “totalitarian liberalism”. kunt ge nog een grotere contradictio in terminis hebben?

Laat em maar doen. We zullen het inderdaad zien…

De reden is dat het woord liberalisme, net als democratie, valselijk andere definities werd gegeven dan hun oorspronkelijke, letterlijke.
Er is daar een gemakelijk te raden motief voor: 'kaap' een woord voor je eigen "dada", en de tegenstander wordt geen woord meer overgelaten. Alsof je een pot potpourri als een pot choco verklaart, dan gaat men niet meer zoeken naar de echte choco he.

Moest je degenen die nu zeg 20 jaar zijn, kunnen teleporteren naar hun dorp of stad ten tijde van de jaren zeventig, resultaat van de jaren zestig, om daar de rijen winkeltjes en de wegen zonder al de verklooierijen nadien, ze zouden die echte pot choco zien, en zich realiseren dat ze potpourri opgesolferd werden.
Het gevaar van geleidelijke verandering, gewenning, aan steeds verregaander klooierij, af en toe wat minder geleidelijk, een schok als een lockdown, een oorlog, een crisis, meestal elkaar als reden.

[Voltian]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Erw

De reden is dat het woord liberalisme, net als democratie, valselijk andere definities werd gegeven dan hun oorspronkelijke, letterlijke.
Er is daar een gemakelijk te raden motief voor: 'kaap' een woord voor je eigen "dada", en de tegenstander wordt geen woord meer overgelaten. Alsof je een pot potpourri als een pot choco verklaart, dan gaat men niet meer zoeken naar de echte choco he.

Moest je degenen die nu zeg 20 jaar zijn, kunnen teleporteren naar hun dorp of stad ten tijde van de jaren zeventig, resultaat van de jaren zestig, om daar de rijen winkeltjes en de wegen zonder al de verklooierijen nadien, ze zouden die echte pot choco zien, en zich realiseren dat ze potpourri opgesolferd werden.
Het gevaar van geleidelijke verandering, gewenning, aan steeds verregaander klooierij, af en toe wat minder geleidelijk, een schok als een lockdown, een oorlog, een crisis, meestal elkaar als reden.

Indeed…

Ik heb hier al mensen het liberalisme zien bekritiseren en in dezelfde zin voor individuele vrijheid zaten te pleiten, dus ja…

[patrickve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Bach

Het is dan ook niet moeilijk te argumenteren dat er een agressieve oorlog een afvallige Donbass regio bezig was sinds 2014. Zelf nu nog krijgen Russen zowat dagelijks berichten te zien van burgerslachtoffers door Oekraïnse raketten op Donetsk. En dat is niet "het front". Militair heeft het geen zin de eigen steden te bestoken.

Maar wat is er mis met het extermineren van een "eigen" storend stuk bevolking ? Dat is trouwens wat bij ons ook dringend dient te gebeuren he.

Kijk, als Oost Oekraine, zoals velen beweren, nu "Rusland for ever" is, dan is het toch normaal voor Oekraine om daar zoveel mogelijk te vernietigen en te extermineren ?

[Gipsy]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door kelt

Deze toespraak was overigens bedoeld voor intern gebruik in het Russische regeringsapparaat.
Maar het blijft fascinerend,en Rusland is niet uniek zeg ik er maar direct bij,hoe eerst een ander land binnengevallen wordt en vervolgens de blaam voor het aanslepen van een conflict bij de ander gelegd wordt of er beweerd wordt dat het lijden van de ander door nog weer andere oorzaken (invloed externe machten) verlengd wordt....

Geleidelijk wordt zo de Oekrainse VERDEDIGING als AGRESSIE tegen Rusland verkocht.

En het LUKT Mr Putin nog ook.....DAT is ook vakmanschap,dat moet grif toegegeven worden....

En net zoals in de tijd van de sovjets heeft hij nog steeds zijn nuttige idioten in het Westen.

[Bach]

July 18, 2022, 00:01
About dramatizations as a method of Western policy
Article by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov
Sergei Lavrov

Today, the Russian Armed Forces and the militias of the DPR and LPR are confidently solving tasks within the framework of a special military operation (SVO), seeking to end the blatant discrimination and genocide of Russians and eliminate the direct threats to the security of the Russian Federation created over the years by the United States and its satellites on the territory of Ukraine. Losing on the battlefield, the Ukrainian regime and its Western patrons do not disdain to stage bloody dramatizations in order to demonize our country in international public opinion . Already there were Bucha, Mariupol, Kramatorsk, Kremenchug. The Russian Ministry of Defense regularly warns about the preparation of new staged incidents with facts in hand.
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The provocative dramatizations performed by the West and his minions have a recognizable style . Yes, and they did not begin in Ukraine , but much earlier.

1999, the Serbian region of Kosovo and Metohija, the village of Racak . A group of OSCE inspectors arrive at the site of the discovery of several dozen corpses dressed as civilians . The head of the mission immediately announces an act of genocide without any investigation, although it is not within the mandate of an international official to draw such conclusions. NATO immediately begins armed aggression against Yugoslavia , deliberately destroying the television center, bridges, passenger trains and other civilian objects. Subsequently, it turns out for certain that the killed were not civilians, but militants of the gangs of the Kosovo Liberation Army, dressed in civilian clothes. However, the staging has already worked.as a pretext for the first ever since the signing of the Helsinki Final Act on the illegal use of force against an OSCE participating State in 1975. It is significant that the head of the OSCE mission, whose statement served as a trigger for the start of the bombing, was P. Walker, a US citizen . The main result of the aggression is the forcible separation of Kosovo from Serbia and the creation there of the largest American military base in the Balkans, Bondsteel.
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2003 - the infamous performance of Secretary of State C. Powell at the UN Security Council with a test tube of some white powder, which he declared to the whole world as anthrax spores, allegedly produced in Iraq . And again, the staging worked: the Anglo-Saxons and others like them bombed Iraq, which still cannot fully restore its statehood . The fake was quickly exposed: everyone admitted that there were no biological weapons or other WMD in Iraq. Subsequently, one of the masterminds of the aggression, British Prime Minister T. Blair admitted the forgery, saying something like: “Well, you made a mistake, who doesn’t happen to you”. K. Powell himself later justified himself by the fact that he was "set up by the special services." One way or another, another staged provocation served as a pretext for the implementation of plans for the destruction of a sovereign country.

2011, Libya . There was a specific dramaturgy here. Things did not come to direct lies, as in Kosovo and Iraq, but NATO grossly distorted the UN Security Council resolution . This resolution established a no-fly zone regime over Libya in order to "land" M. Gaddafi's combat aircraft. She didn't fly. However, NATO began to simply bomb the Libyan army units that fought terrorists.. M. Gaddafi was brutally killed, there was nothing left of Libya - they are still trying to piece it together, and the process is again led by the US representative, appointed by the personal decision of the UN Secretary General without any consultations with the Security Council. As part of this process, inter-Libyan agreements on elections were staged by Western colleagues more than once, which ended in nothing. Libya remains a territory hosted by illegal armed groups. Most of them work closely with the West.
Former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych

Former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych
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2014 , February, Ukraine. The West, represented by the Foreign Ministers of Germany, France and Poland, is actually forcing President V. Yanukovych to sign an agreement with the opposition to end the confrontation and peacefully resolve the intra-Ukrainian crisis by creating an interim government of national unity and holding early elections within a few months. However, this turned out to be a staging: the next morning, the opposition staged a coup d'etat under Russophobic, racist slogans, the Western guarantors of the agreements did not even try to reason with it. Moreover, they immediately began to encourage the putschists in their anti-Russian, anti-Russian policy, unleashing a war against their own population, bombing the cities of Donbass only because they refused to recognize the anti-constitutional coup. For this, the Donbass were declared "terrorists", again with the encouragement of the West.

Here it should be noted that the murder of demonstrators on the Maidan, as was soon revealed, was staged, the blame for which the West laid either on the security forces loyal to V. Yanukovych, or on the Russian special services. In fact, the provocation was staged by radicals in the ranks of the opposition, who worked closely with Western intelligence services. The facts were soon revealed, but the number had already been played.
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When the war in Donbass was stopped, as a result of the efforts of Russia, Germany and France, in February 2015, Minsk agreements were concluded between Kyiv, Donetsk and Lugansk, and Berlin and Paris were also active here, proudly proclaiming themselves their guarantors. However, over the next long seven years, they did not lift a finger to force Kyiv - as the Minsk agreements, approved unanimously by the UN Security Council, directly required - to enter into a direct dialogue with representatives of Donbass to agree on issues of its special status, amnesty, restoration of economic ties, holding elections. Western leaders were also silent when Kyiv, under both P. Poroshenko and V. Zelensky, took steps that directly contradicted the Minsk agreements. Moreover, the Germans and the French stated that a direct dialogue between Kyiv and the DNR and LNR was impossible,

If anyone had any doubts that "Minsk" was just another staging, they were dispelled by P. Poroshenko, who said on June 17, 2022: “The Minsk agreements meant nothing to us, we were not going to implement them ... our task was to avert the threat ... to beat out time for ourselves to restore economic growth and build the power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The task has been achieved. The Minsk agreements have fulfilled their task.” The price of this staging is still being paid by the Ukrainian people, whom for many years the West forced to come to terms with life under the yoke of the Russophobic neo-Nazi regime. And when now O. Scholz demands to force Russia to agree to an agreement on guarantees of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine, he is trying in vain. There was already such an agreement - the Minsk agreements, which killed just Berlin and Paris, shielding Kyiv, which openly refused to comply with them. So the dramatization is over, finita la comedy.
President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky
Photo: REUTERS/Ukrainian Presidential Press Service

By the way, V. Zelensky is a worthy heir to P. Poroshenko , in front of whom, at an election rally in early 2019, he was ready to theatrically kneel for the sake of ending the war.
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In December of the same year, he himself had a chance to fulfill the Minsk agreements: the Normandy Summit took place in Paris , where, in a statement adopted at the highest level, he undertook to resolve issues of the special status of Donbass. Of course, he did nothing, and Berlin and Paris again shielded him. Another publicized document turned out to be nothing more than a Ukrainian-Western production - exactly according to the logic of P. Poroshenko - in order to buy time to pump up the Kyiv regime with weapons.

There was also Syria. Following the implementation of a landmark 2013 agreement on the destruction of Syrian chemical weapons, confirmed by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), for which she received the Nobel Peace Prize, blatant provocations were staged in 2017 and 2018 by staging the use of chemical weapons in Khan Sheikhoun and the suburbs of Damascus - Duma. Videos have been circulated of some people calling themselves the White Helmets (who proclaimed themselves a humanitarian organization but never appeared in Syrian government-controlled territory) helping residents who were allegedly poisoned, and no one is wearing protective clothing or using any protective accessories. All attempts to force the OPCW Technical Secretariat to fulfill its responsibilities in good faith and to ensure, as required by the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), a transparent process for investigating incidents, have not been successful. This is not surprising:The Technical Secretariat has long been "privatized" by Western countries, whose representatives there hold key positions. They had a hand in organizing the aforementioned staging, using them as an excuse for the United States, Britain and France to launch missile and bomb attacks on Syria - and a day before, at our insistence, a group of OPCW inspectors was supposed to arrive there to investigate the incidents , the decision on the direction of which the West desperately resisted.
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The ability of the West and the OPCW Technical Secretariat, which plays the role of an assistant, to arrange staging, also manifested itself in situations with the “poisoning” of the Skripals and A. Navalny . In both cases, numerous requests officially sent by the Russian side to The Hague, London, Berlin, Paris, Stockholm remain unanswered, although these requests are formulated in full accordance with the requirements of the CWC and they must be answered.

In the same way, questions should be answered regarding the covert activities that the Pentagon (through its Threat Reduction Agency) has been engaged in in Ukraine. The “finds” discovered by the SVO forces in military biological laboratories in the liberated territories of Donbass and in adjacent areas clearly indicate direct violations of the Convention on the Prohibition of Biological and Toxin Weapons (BTWC) . We have presented the documents to Washington and the UN Security Council. The procedure for obtaining clarifications in accordance with the BTWC has begun. Contrary to the facts, the US administration is trying to justify itself by saying that all biological research in Ukraine was of an exclusively peaceful, civilian nature. Evidence - none.
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In a broader sense, the military biological activities of the Pentagon around the world, especially in the post-Soviet space, require the closest attention in the light of growing evidence of criminal experiments with the most dangerous pathogens under the “peaceful” guise in order to create biological weapons.

The staged “crimes” of the Donbas militia and members of the Russian SVO have already been mentioned above. One simple fact speaks about the price of these accusations: having shown the “Buchi tragedy” to the whole world in early April 2022 (there are suspicions that the Anglo-Saxons had a hand in “designing the mise-en-scène of the scenery”), the West and Kyiv still do not answer to elementary questions about whether the names of the dead have been established and what are the results of post-mortem examinations. As in the cases described above with the Skripals and Navalny, the propaganda “premier” of the production in the Western media took place, and now the ends are in the water, they have gone into denial, because there is nothing to say.
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This is the whole point of the Western policy algorithm: to concoct an informational fake, inflate it to a universal catastrophe within a couple of days, blocking the public's access to alternative information and assessments, and when the facts nevertheless make their way, they are simply ignored, at best - mentioned on the latest news pages in small print. It is important to understand that these are not harmless toys in the media war, since such productions are directly used as a pretext for quite material actions: punishing “accused” countries with sanctions, carrying out barbaric aggressions against them with many hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties, as was the case, in particular, in Iraq and Libya. Or, as in the case of Ukraine, to use it as a consumable in the West's war against Russia. Moreover, NATO instructors and gunners of the MLRS are already, apparently, directing the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions directly "on the ground." I hope that among the Europeans there are responsible politicians who are aware of the consequences this is fraught with. In this regard, it is noteworthy that no one in NATO and the EU rebuked the overplayed German Air Force commander of a certain Gerharts,Putin , don't try to compete with us." Europe's silence suggests that it is complacently forgetting Germany's role in its history.

If you look at today's events through a historical prism, then the entire Ukrainian crisis appears as a "big game" according to the scenario that was once promoted by Z. Brzezinski . Talk about good relations, about the readiness of the West to take into account the rights and interests of Russians who found themselves after the collapse of the USSR in independent Ukraine and other post-Soviet countries, turned out to be nothing more than a staging. Already in the early 2000s, Washington and the European Union began to openly demand that Kyiv decide with whom it is with the West or Russia?
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Since 2014, the West has been unconditionally directing the Russophobic regime that it brought to power through a coup d'état . The conclusion of V. Zelensky to the forefront of any at least somewhat noticeable international forum is also part of the staging. He speaks, makes pathetic speeches, and when he suddenly offers something reasonable, they hit him on the hand, as was the case after the Istanbul round of Russian-Ukrainian negotiations: then, at the end of March, the light seemed to dawn in the dialogue, but Kyiv was forced to surrender ago, using, among other things, a frankly staged episode in Bucha. In Washington, London, Brussels, they began to demand that Kyiv not start negotiations with Russia until Ukraine achieves full military advantage(The former British Prime Minister B. Johnson especially tried, and with him many other Western politicians who are still acting, but have already shown a similar inadequacy).

The statement by the head of the EU Foreign Service, J. Borrell, that the conflict should be ended by “Ukraine's victory on the battlefield”, suggests that such a tool as diplomacy, in the “stage performance” of the European Union, loses its meaning.

In a broader sense, it is interesting to observe how Europe, “built” by Washington on the anti-Russian front, suffers more from thoughtless sanctions, devastates its arsenals, supplying weapons to Kyiv (without requiring an account of who then controls it and where it ends up), freeing its market for subsequent purchases of US military-industrial complex products and expensive US LNG instead of available Russian gas. Such tendencies, coupled with the practical merging of the EU with NATO, make the so far sounding talk about the "strategic autonomy" of the EU nothing more than a spectacle. Everyone has already understood: the foreign policy of the collective West is a "one-man theatre." Moreover, it consistently leads to the search for ever new theaters of military operations.

Part of the geopolitical gambit against Russia is granting Ukraine and Moldova (which, apparently, also have an unenviable fate) the status of a country - an eternal candidate for the EU. In the meantime, they are advertising the “European political community” initiated by the head of France, E. Macron, where there will be no special financial and economic benefits, but there will be demands for complete solidarity with the EU in its anti-Russian actions. Here the principle is not “either-or”, but “whoever is not with us is against us”. What kind of "community" is this, E. Macron himself explained: the EU will invite all European countries to enter it - "from Iceland to Ukraine", but not Russia. I will make a reservation right away that we don’t need to go there, but the statement itself is indicative, revealing the essence of this new deliberately confrontational, divisive undertaking.
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Ukraine, Moldova, and other countries courted by the EU today are destined to be extras in the games of the West. The United States, as the main producer of these productions, orders the music and the storyline, on the basis of which the anti-Russian script is written in Europe. The actors are ready, they have the skills acquired back in Kvartal 95, they will be able to voice pathos texts no worse than the already forgotten Greta Thunberg, and even play musical instruments, if necessary. The actors are good: remember how convincingly V. Zelensky played a democrat in Servant of the People, a fighter against corruption, against discrimination against Russians, and in general "for all that is good." Remember and compare with how he instantly reincarnated as president literally according to the Stanislavsky system: a ban on the Russian language, education, media, and culture. “If you feel like Russians, then go live in Russia for the sake of your children and grandchildren.” Good advice. He called the inhabitants of Donbass not people, but “individuals”. And about the Nazi battalion "Azov" said: "They are what they are. We have a lot of them." Even CNN hesitated to leave this phrase in an interview.

The question arises: what will be the outcome of all these storylines? Indeed, in fact, staging on the blood and pain of people is far from fun, but manifestations of a cynical policy of creating a new reality, in which all the principles of the UN Charter and, in general, the norms of international law are trying to replace their own order, based on their own rules , in an effort to perpetuate the elusive dominance in world affairs.
NATO
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The lists will show: how the Russian Federation reacted to the announcement of its main threat to NATO
Putin commented on the statements of the alliance summit and the course of the special military operation in Ukraine

The most devastating consequences for modern international relations were the games started by the West in the OSCE in connection with the end of the Cold War, in which he considered himself the winner. Quickly breaking their promises to the leadership of the USSR and Russia that NATO would not expand eastward, the United States and its allies nevertheless declared their commitment to building a common space of security and cooperation in the Euro-Atlantic area and, together with all OSCE members, solemnly signed at the highest level - in 1999 and then in 2010 - under a political obligation to ensure equal and indivisible security, when no one strengthens his security at the expense of others and no one organization claims a dominant role in Europe. It soon became clear that NATO did not keep its word, heading for the dominance of the North Atlantic Alliance. But even then we continued our diplomatic efforts, suggesting that they enshrine the same principle of equal and indivisible security, but in a legally binding treaty. It has been suggested repeatedly the last time was in December 2021. The answer is a categorical refusal. They said bluntly: there will be no legal guarantees outside of NATO. That is, the West's support for the political documents adopted at the OSCE summits turned out to be a cheap staging. And now NATO, under the leadership of the United States, has gone even further: it demands subjugation not only of the Euro-Atlantic region, but of the entire Asia-Pacific region. The NATO members do not hide the main addressee of their threats, and the Chinese leadership has already made a principled assessment of such neo-colonial ambitions. Beijing countered them with the aforementioned principle of the indivisibility of security, speaking out in favor of its application on a global scale, so that no one in the world would claim to be exclusive. This approach fully coincides with the position of Russia. We will consistently defend it together with the allies,

The collective West should return to earth from the world of illusions . The dramatizations, no matter how long they continue, will not work. It's time to play honestly, not according to cheating rules, but on the basis of international law . The sooner everyone realizes that there is no alternative to the objective historical processes of the formation of a multipolar world based on respect for the principle of the sovereign equality of states, fundamental to the UN Charter and the entire world order, the better.

If the members of the Western alliance do not know how to live according to this principle, are not ready to build a truly universal architecture of equal security and cooperation, then let them leave everyone else alone, let them stop forcibly driving into their camp with threats and blackmail those who want to live by their own mind, let actually recognize the right of independent, self-respecting countries to freedom of choice. This is democracy - in fact, and not played out on a crookedly knocked together political stage.

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Een Oekraïense delegatie is nu in nu in Mexico gaan pleiten om daar ook RT en sputnick te verbieden. Zelfs over het hoofd van de president heen springend. Een Mexicaanse journaliste stelde een kritische vraag aan de Oekraïners en kreeg van de Oekraïners het antwoord "wordt u in roebels of tamales betaalt?" Daar had AMLO het dan over op een toespraak waarin hij de PERSVRIJHEID verdedigde tegenover WESTERSE krachten die media de mond willen snoeren en het naratief willen controleren. Je zou denken dat het een omgekeerde wereld is, maar dat is de realiteit.

Er is een "wie niet voor ons is is tegen ons" mentaliteit aan het groeien. Dat merk je ook op dit forum. Genuanceerdheid of vragen bij het officiële discours of ongewenste info verspreiden zelfs al wordt het waarheidsgehalte niet betwist, wordt al gezien als 'colaboratie' met 'de vijand'. We worden allemaal verondersteld voetbalsupporter te zijn. Een kant gekozen te hebben. En de kant van de vrede wordt verdacht gevonden. Dat is de oorlogslogica die nu het westen overheerst.

Wat kan ik zeggen? Spijtig? Dom? Des mensen? Wat ik in ieder geval nooit gekunt en gewild heb dat is dat blind makend fanatieke supporters gedrag.

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En de kant van de vrede wordt verdacht gevonden. Dat is de oorlogslogica die nu het westen overheerst.

Als "vrede" nu "onderwerping" betekent is die inderdaad verdacht he

Maar kijk, de oorlog, de fysische oorlog met tanks en zo die over grenzen rijden, is wel begonnen door Vladimir he. Niet komen huilen dat die een oorlogslogica heeft veroorzaakt bij zijn vijand. Wie met tanks binnenkomt, en denkt dat de andere gaat plooien omdat die "vrede" wil, denkt gewoon dat hij de andere gemakkelijk gaat onderwerpen he.

Men moet altijd een oorlogslogica hebben, maar men kan die soms gebruiken om inderdaad, bij de vijand, "vrede" af te dwingen, ttz onderwerping te bekomen. Maar zonder onderwerping geen vrede he. Dat is zonde van de verloren tijd.

Kijk, welke is het ideaal ? Eigen bevolking door 10 gedeeld, en al de rest uitgeroeid. Dit is gewoon een mogelijke uitgestoken hand om eraan te beginnen zou ik denken.

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Een Oekraïense delegatie is nu in nu in Mexico gaan pleiten om daar ook RT en sputnick te verbieden. Zelfs over het hoofd van de president heen springend. Een Mexicaanse journaliste stelde een kritische vraag aan de Oekraïners en kreeg van de Oekraïners het antwoord "wordt u in roebels of tamales betaalt?" Daar had AMLO het dan over op een toespraak waarin hij de PERSVRIJHEID verdedigde tegenover WESTERSE krachten die media de mond willen snoeren en het naratief willen controleren. Je zou denken dat het een omgekeerde wereld is, maar dat is de realiteit.

Er is een "wie niet voor ons is is tegen ons" mentaliteit aan het groeien. Dat merk je ook op dit forum. Genuanceerdheid of vragen bij het officiële discours of ongewenste info verspreiden zelfs al wordt het waarheidsgehalte niet betwist, wordt al gezien als 'colaboratie' met 'de vijand'. We worden allemaal verondersteld voetbalsupporter te zijn. Een kant gekozen te hebben. En de kant van de vrede wordt verdacht gevonden. Dat is de oorlogslogica die nu het westen overheerst.

Wat kan ik zeggen? Spijtig? Dom? Des mensen? Wat ik in ieder geval nooit gekunt en gewild heb dat is dat blind makend fanatieke supporters gedrag.

Ik ben tegen zij die zeggen; "als je niet voor ons bent, ben je tegen ons."

Ik ben voor zij die zeggen; "ik zal U overtuigen om voor ons te zijn, en als dat niet lukt is dat onze eigen fout."

En inderdaad, bij de forumleden die intellectueel wat minder vaste grond onder de voeten hebben, merkt men dat ook. Ze praten enkel het "narratief" na. De praat-punten. Kritisch denken is er minder en minder aan besteed., zeker als het over zaken gaat die zich buiten de eigen navel afspelen.