22 doden in Amerikaanse school

[Kaal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Bhairav

Het probleem is gewoon dat mensen zich niet kunnen uiten, omdat sociale regels dat niet toelaten.

Mmm ik denk dat dit een beetje te gemakkelijk is. In de jaren 50 waren de sociale regels veel strenger. En als je het profiel van die schutter bekijkt dan zie je dat dit het probleem niet kan zijn (in zijn geval).

[Bhairav]

In de jaren 50 was de samenleving simpelder en de mensen waren ook niet al te slim.

[Turkje]

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Lesgevers, net zoals studenten, dienen een vuurwapen te dragen, zoals trouwens elke volwassen burger.Degenen die een strafblad hebben ook .Immers, als je vrijgelaten bent, betekent dat dat je je schuld aan de samenleving betaald hebt.Dus mag je ook wapens dragen, om je vege lijf te beschermen.
Als je weet dat de griet waar je zit naar te knipogen haar vrijer een Colt 45 aan zijn riem heeft hangen, hou je je mischien wat rustiger
En om er wat discipline in te houden: iedereen die zonder reden anderen afknalt, krijgt de doodstraf natuurlijk

Zeer goed initiatief. Zolang de angst voor de ander meer en meer een gevoel wordt waar je spontaan mee opstaat en gaat slapen, zullen individuen zich meer en meer overgeven aan de geneugten van de vrije markt. Consumptie is de enige zekerheid die we nog hebben ! Andere mensen zijn potentiële criminelen die zonder verpinken een pistool bovenhalen wanneer iemand naar hun vriendin lonkt of ze gebuisd worden op een examen ! Yeehaa ! Dat moet echt een prachtige samenleving zijn !

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De docent creative writing van Cho had hem in 2005 al apart begeleid en de autoriteiten van de universiteit op de hoogte gebracht van zijn persoonlijke problemen. Aanleiding was de inhoud van zijn lesopdrachten.

Hier kan je twee korte eenakters blijkbaar voor de les schreef lezen met 6000 (!) amerikaanse reacties hierop.

#1 'Richard McBeef'

#2 'Mr. Brownstone'

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/...ng-huis-plays/

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22 doden in Amerikaanse school

32 plus één is 33

[Bhairav]

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Getuigenissen van de roommate van Cho, die even wakker werd toen Cho rond half zeven opstond, klasgenoten en buren in het gebouw waar hij woonde.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet...=1045855934842

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Inside Cho Seung-Hui's Dorm

Tuesday, Apr. 17, 2007 By MICHAEL DUFFY/BLACKSBURG



Harper Hall at the Virginia Tech campus on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 in Blacksburg, Virginia. Harper Hall is where shooter Cho Seung-hui lived.
Stephen Voss / WPN for TIME

Harper hall is nothing special, a four-story stone dorm on the south side of the Virginia Tech campus, small by comparison to its neighbors on the outside and on the inside today, quiet — just the way Cho Seung-hui had liked things.

A reporter was able to enter and go up to the second floor wing where Cho lived. It's a nondescript place: students live two to a room in three-room suites, each of the suites attached to a smallish common area. The dorm is co-ed by room. The second floor was being patrolled by a security officer. "You have to leave here now," he said.

It is no accident that very few of the several dozen students entering or exiting Harper today knew Cho. According to two who were aware of him, he was quiet, serious and, in the words of one, "gloomy."

"He seemed like a down person," said Mike Lee, a freshman from Fairfax, Va. "Like, gloomy."

Another student, a 21-year-old from Woodbridge, Va., recalled having lunch with Cho two years ago when both were sophomores. The chief reason for the lunch was to see if Cho could be made to laugh.

"I didn't know him," said the student. "He was quiet." But a roommate who had known Cho in high school in Chantilly suggested during their sophomore year that they ought to try to bring Cho out of his funk. "We'd try to talk to him. but he'd barely respond. So one day my roommate challenged himself to get him to talk to us. We told him a joke." Cho did laugh that day, according to the student.
Harper houses more than 300 students, and today it was clear that even those who lived down the hall didn't know Cho. The white corridor walls inside are largely undecorated; there's a Jewish awareness week flyer, a poster about recent thefts in the dorm, announcements for various groups on orange or purple paper. The campus is now quiet and unpopulated. All across the south campus, it looked like moving day, with students packing up their rolling bags and departing with a parent or sibling for a week off.

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The Making of a Mass Killer

Tuesday, Apr. 17, 2007 By JOHN CLOUD


Cho Seung-Hui

The man who murdered at least 30 people at Virginia Tech and wounded at least 14 others in the nation's worst shooting massacre was a 23-year-old South Korean named Cho Seung-Hui. Cho, an English major, had likely planned his attack for weeks and had written two bizarre plays in which boys accuse authority figures of graphic molestation.

An AOL employee who says he is a former classmate of Cho's provided AOL News with copies of two plays Cho wrote. They are achingly bad, the writings of a troubled young man; they suggest that Cho may have been sexually abused. In both plays, a schoolboy named John says he has been molested — in one case by his stepfather and, in a play Cho titled Mr. Brownstone, by the eponymous teacher. The John character in both plays repeatedly wishes his tormentor dead, although the molester in the play Richard McBeef kills John with his bare hands in the end.

Cho had recently developed an interest in firearms. According to a Roanoke, Va., news site, a police affidavit says Cho possessed Walther P22 and Glock 9 mm handguns — both expensive, accurate guns favored by gun enthusiasts and cops. One federal source told TIME it appears that as many as "a couple of hundred" rounds were fired during the rampage. Cho's extraordinary killing effectiveness suggests someone who was trained, or who trained himself, in "execution-style" killing, according to the federal source.

Cho legally purchased his first gun, the 9 mm, along with a box of 50 bullets about five weeks ago from a local gun shop, according to the Roanoke Times. The Walther was purchased just last week. Virginia law prohibits buying more than one handgun in a 30-day period. It appears Cho waited the full month before buying the Walther, suggesting he didn't just snap.

An affidavit state police filed to search Cho's dorm room (2121 Harper Hall) suggests Cho had been planning mayhem for some time. It says that a note containing a bomb threat was found near his body; the note is similar to two other bomb threats issued against engineering buildings at the school last week. Cho may have probed the campus emergency response with the previous notes.

The affidavit said he is believed to have possessed "multiple guns including but not limited to" the Walther and the Glock. Investigators are still looking for Cho's motives, but Cho left a discursive note in his dorm room that offered some explanations. The only full quote released so far is this cryptic line: "You caused me to do this. "But the note also assails "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.
Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, told the AP that "there was some concern about him." She said his writing was disturbing enough that Cho had been referred to the university counseling service, but she said she didn't know what the outcome was.

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Hieronder een getuigenis van Heather Haugh, de roommate van Emily Hilscher, het eerste slachtoffer van Cho.

In an interview with The Times, Haugh said she knew of no connection between the killer and her roommate, or any reason why Cho Seung-Hui would have launched his deadly rampage on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston Hall.

"I've never seen him," she said. "I don't know his name. Emily didn't know him, as far as I know."

Haugh said she and Hilscher typically spent Sunday nights with their boyfriends, but met at their dorm on Monday morning to head to their 9 a.m. chemistry class. Hilscher typically arrived shortly after 7 a.m., while Haugh tended to make it back an hour or so later.

She said the dorm room she shared with Hilscher was in an out-of-the-way location behind the elevator bank in the residence hall, an unlikely place for somebody to wander into at that hour of the morning.

"Maybe he followed her up," Haugh said, noting that Hilscher would have been arriving at the dorm around the time that Cho is believed to have entered the building. Haugh said she had no evidence that this is what happened and noted that police did not share any theories with her about Cho's choice of that dorm.

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His fellow students were so upset about his plays and behavior that one day before he came into class, they wondered if he could be a school shooter.

In a poetry class, his teacher, Lucinda Roy, described Cho as the loneliest person she had ever met. He rarely spoke, and when he did it was in a whisper. He wore sunglasses indoors and pulled his cap down over his eyes. When spoken to, he took 20 seconds to answer, and he used his cellphone to take pictures of her in her class.

In a creative writing class taught by famous poet Nikki Giovanni, he also wore dark glasses, pulled his cap down over his eyes and turned in disturbing writing assignments. He also used his cellphone camera to surreptitiously take pictures of female students underneath their desks.
At one point, students stopped showing up for class because they thought he was so creepy. Giovanni was so alarmed that she stationed guards near the door when he was in class. Giovanni finally told the department chair that she could not continue to teach him in her class because she "could not allow him to destroy my class."

Roy agreed to tutor him on a one on one basis and gave him an "A". Giovanni feels that Roy gave him the A more because she was frightened of him than for any other reason. She felt that Cho deliberately cultivated the air of a frightening person as part of his identity.

When she first met him, she was worried for her safety. Roy notified authorities about him, but was told there were too many legal hurdles to do anything.

Cho was on anti-depressants and had recently been referred to the Counseling Center by Roy after turning in several disturbing essays. However, he did not go in for counseling

Other reports said that there was no hard evidence that he had been given anti-depressants. Cho had recently gotten in trouble at the university after being accused of setting fire in a dorm and stalking women.

His roommates found him strange. In general, he refused to speak to any of them, and when they tried to talk to him, they just got one-word replies that indicated that he did not want to talk. One roommate often found him staring strangely at his desk. He ate alone every night and watched wrestling by himself.

His roommate, Joseph Aust, said he had no friends and no girlfriend. He wore blue jeans, a t-shirt and a Virginia Tech maroon cap every day. He had no decorations on his walls and no possessions other than textbooks or a laptop.

The one thing he loved was downloading music. He often typed at his laptop and did not even acknowledge the presence of his roommates, as if they were not even there. None of his roommates spoke to him, because he gave signals that he did not want to talk.

In recent weeks, his behavior had changed, apparently indicating that he was plotting to commit the shooting. Previously scrawny, he started going to the gym every day to beef up his body. He trimmed his hair into a military-style buzz cut. He had also started rising earlier normally. He usually got up at 7 AM, but recently he had begun rising at 5:30 AM.

In the initial incident, at 7:15 AM, Cho walked into the West Ambler Johnson Hall Freshman Dormitory and moved to the fourth floor, searching for Emily Hilscher, 19, who may or may not have been his girlfriend. He made it to her fourth floor room and apparently she let him in. Once inside, they got into a loud argument.

A resident student advisor, a black student named Ryan Clark, 22, knocked on the door and told them to quiet down. Hilscher then screamed, "He's got a gun!" Clark immediately evacuated the whole floor. When he came back, the argument was still ongoing.

Clark went into the room and Clark and Cho got into a struggle for the gun, during which Clark was shot to death. Hilscher then tried to run away. Cho followed her and at some point shot her dead.

Hilscher apparently did have a boyfriend named Karl Thornhill, a student at nearby Radford University. He was stopped by police along Highway 460 in Blacksburg, handcuffed and interrogated by the side of the road, and then released.

Part of the confusion and the reason Thornhill was a suspect stemmed from the knowledge that Thornhill was an avid gun user. In fact, Thornhill and Hilscher had gone to a shooting gallery three weeks previously.

http://robertlindsay.blogspot.com/20...tified-as.html

[carlgustaaf]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Turkje

Zeer goed initiatief. Zolang de angst voor de ander meer en meer een gevoel wordt waar je spontaan mee opstaat en gaat slapen, zullen individuen zich meer en meer overgeven aan de geneugten van de vrije markt. Consumptie is de enige zekerheid die we nog hebben ! Andere mensen zijn potentiële criminelen die zonder verpinken een pistool bovenhalen wanneer iemand naar hun vriendin lonkt of ze gebuisd worden op een examen ! Yeehaa ! Dat moet echt een prachtige samenleving zijn !

als ge gebuisd bent, weet dan wel dat ook uw professor geregeld op de schietstand gaat oefenen met zijn Magnum 357 Dat maakt gaten als tennisballen...
En wat de meisjes betreft: als één of andere klootzak naar UW lief staat te lonken, en hij is gewapend, dan mag je hem omverknallen uit ZELFVERDEDIGING! Tof hé!Denk eens even aan het prestige dat je zal krijgen in de ogen van uw verloofde...Wat een man! En wat moet hij mij graag zien!Tevens zal ze wel 2 maal nadenken voor ze u gaat bedriegen...Da's toch prima allemaal? Ik begrijp uw ironie niet goed?Ben je een extreem-angstig persoon mischien? Schrikt het u af om met vuurwapens om te gaan, en eventueel iemand te beschieten daarmee?Want dat moet niet hoor.Enkel de eerste keer is het moeilijk, het word snel een gewoonte, maak u geen zorgen daarover

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Cho shared a room with Joseph Aust, a student of electrical engineering. Mr Aust said that he knew barely anything about his room-mate, and they hardly spoke. “He would spend a lot of time downloading music,” Mr Aust said.

“I would come into the room and he’d just kind of be staring at his desk, just staring at nothing. I would pass it off like he was just weird.”

Last year Cho shared a campus house with three other students, who were also baffled by his behaviour. He hardly said a word all year, they revealed, but began stalking their female friends and pestering them with messages.

Confronted by his housemates, Cho sent an instant message to them, saying: “I want to kill myself.” They called the authorities and Cho was taken away for a couple of days for counselling. Cho opened up only once, revealing to his housemates during a late-night conversation that he had an imaginary girlfriend, a supermodel. The imaginary couple called each other “Spanky” and “Jelly”.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1668735.ece

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Well-known poet Nikki Giovanni, who taught him creative writing, observed him in the class with dark sunglasses and a ball cap jammed down over his face. He turned in assignments she found disturbing. Sometimes he snapped unwanted cellphone photos of classmates. Students stopped showing up for class, telling her, "The guy's really creepy." At one point she had guards stationed nearby.

Cho apparently had no friends or a girlfriend, said Joseph Aust, one of his five roommates. He wore a standard uniform — blue jeans, T-shirt and maroon Virginia Tech hat, and kept only textbooks and a laptop computer. His one known passion was downloading music.

He hung no pictures, posters or decorations on his walls, and avoided conversations with his roommates and other students.
"He would just give one-word answers," Aust said.

But in recent weeks Cho's habits changed. He ventured out at night to the campus gym, lifting weights to beef up his skinny frame. He trimmed his hair into a military-style buzz cut.

Cho, a senior majoring in English, was normally in bed by 9 each night, up again by 7 in the morning. But he began rising earlier, sometimes by 5:30 a.m., to put in his contact lenses, take prescription pills and apply acne medicine.

http://www.newsday.com/la-na-shooter...ckey-headlines

[discuz]

Net nog een uitgebreid interview op CNN gezien met twee van Cho's room mates:

In het begin van het academiejaar vroegen ze hem een paar weken lang mee uit, stelden hem voor aan hun vrienden, enz. maar hij kwam totaal niet los en zei maar een paar woorden.

Eind 2005 waren er een paar incidenten waarbij hij studentes stalkte. Tweemaal kreeg hij de politie over de vloer en de tweede keer werd hij meegenomen voor psychologische evaluatie en een nacht of twee vastgehouden.

Docenten van Cho hadden al meermaals de universitaire hiërarchie op de hoogte gebracht van problemen, de eerste keer in 2005.

[circe]

Raar genoeg wordt er nergens melding gemaakt van de woorden die de dader zowel om zijn arm had geschreven in rode inkt, als waarmee hij zijn klachtenlijstje had ondertekend:

ISMAEL AX


Volgens deze blog een rechtstreekse verwijzing naar het koranische verhaal van Abraham:

De moordpartij van Virginia Tech lijkt geïnspireerd op het verhaal van de bijl van Ibrahim, zoals dat door de Koran wordt verteld.

Cho Seung-Hui's had Ismail Ax op zijn arm geschreven ... een verwijzing naar een verhaal uit de Koran? Lees verder op Bangkokker.

Ook interessant: Call him Ismail's Ax?

Voor Cho Seung-Hui was 'a fat piece of pork' de ultieme belediging ...

ook: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ck=1&cset=true

[parcifal]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door circe

Raar genoeg wordt er nergens melding gemaakt van de woorden die de dader zowel om zijn arm had geschreven in rode inkt, als waarmee hij zijn klachtenlijstje had ondertekend:

ISMAEL AX

Het verwijst m.i. eerder naar de roman Moby Dick.
Vergeet niet dat Cho een senior in Engelse literatuur was.

Van wikipedia :

Ishmael

Main article: Ishmael (Moby-Dick)
In the novel's first sentence, the narrator famously declares, "Call me Ishmael." It is unclear whether this is his actual name or an alias. His role as a narrator varies widely. Initially, his is the only narrative, but after the Pequod leaves port, he repeatedly fades and comes back to full prominence.
...

The name has come to symbolize orphans, exiles, and social outcasts—in the opening paragraph of Moby-Dick, Ishmael tells the reader that he has turned to the sea out of a feeling of alienation from human society. In the last line of the book Ishmael also refers to himself symbolically as an orphan. Ishmael has a rich literary background (he has previously been a schoolteacher), which he brings to bear on his shipmates and events that occur while at sea.

He begins the novel in the first chapter wandering through Manhattan in the dreariness of November with dark thoughts suggesting nearly suicidal tendencies: pausing before coffin houses and following funerals. His primary reason for going to sea, he suggests, is to break out of this depressive cycle and obsession with death.

Ishmael resembles Melville in several ways (as well as the narrator of Melville's White-Jacket). They are well-educated and reflective; Ishmael sees his shipmates as avatars of human nature and society, and tells his story by couching it in a wealth of philosophical observation, (largely occurring during sections in which Ishmael takes an almost-omniscient viewpoint, conflating himself with his author).

[manta]

Ismael -Ishmael ....
Mischien afwachten en eens kijken wat er allemaal op z'n harde schijf stond .... Buiten muziek.

[circe]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal

Het verwijst m.i. eerder naar de roman Moby Dick.
Vergeet niet dat Cho een senior in Engelse literatuur was.

Van wikipedia :

Dit is ook een optie die in mijn links wordt aangehaald, echter, je zit dan wel met het probleem dat de Moby Dick als "Ishmael" (op zijn Engels) wordt geschreven en niet op zijn Arabisch als "Ismael", de zoon van Abraham.

En d�*t zal die senior in Engelse literatuur toch ook wel geweten hebben?

[djimi]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door circe

Raar genoeg wordt er nergens melding gemaakt van de woorden die de dader zowel om zijn arm had geschreven in rode inkt, als waarmee hij zijn klachtenlijstje had ondertekend:

ISMAEL AX


Volgens deze blog een rechtstreekse verwijzing naar het koranische verhaal van Abraham:




ook: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ck=1&cset=true

Ik kan eigenlijk nauwelijks mijn ogen geloven.

Dat u en anderen het niet zo op de Islam begrepen hebben, kan ik nog begrijpen,

maar dat u en anderen nu ook déze tragedie als propagandamiddel willen gebruiken, vind ik - zacht gezegd - toch ècht wel geschift en weerzinwekkend.

U schoffeert de slachtoffers van deze misdaad op de meest cynische wijze, en u verwacht tegelijk respect ???


U doet er echt goed aan hulp te zoeken.