De grote 9/11 topic

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door KrisKras

hmmmm, Vorige maand is de klacht ingediend, de zaak moet nog voorkomen, en hier is het al geschiedenis.

En titels van draden wordenook zo maar "for the fun of it" gewijzigd

[Raven]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door F16_Pilot_B

Dus al die namen van passagiers lijsten is eigenlijk allemaal bullshit en daarom dat mensen voor de camera zeggen dat ze hun man of vrouw zijn verloren ook bullshit?

Die werken nu waarschijnlijk als vreselijk gemutileerde gedrochten in de NWO gebouwen op mars ofzo.

Waarom iets voor de hands liggends aanvaarden als er een far-fetched verklaring voor bestaat

[F16_Pilot_B]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door KrisKras

De telefoongesprekken uit de vliegtuigen lijken mij echter wel bullshit.

Ik was er niet bij dus ik weet het niet.

[F16_Pilot_B]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Raven

Die werken nu waarschijnlijk als vreselijk gemutileerde gedrochten in de NWO gebouwen op mars ofzo.

Waarom iets voor de hands liggends aanvaarden als er een far-fetched verklaring voor bestaat

Ben je ook een Aliën misschien?

[Dukekiller]

Bestaat er op dit forum ook zoiets als on-topic reacties? Mij lijken deze reacties van mensen die zich vervelen, maar nog niet de moeite doen om even te kijken waar het over gaat.
Hallo, rechtzaak tegen beklaagden over 9/11, hier...
Ik zal voor de duidelijkheid even dit copy-pasten: Aanklacht en lijst van beklaagden. OK, het is misschien wat moeilijk lezen maar het is dan ook een officiele aanklacht.

May 1, 2007: FILED BY Field MCCONNELL as Civil Case 3:07-CV-49 IN
Fargo Courthouse, North Dakota

"Lieutenant Colonel Field McConnell, North Dakota ANG, retired, USNA 1971, and 99 fellow plaintiffs with the Citizens Association of Forensic Economists at Hawks CAFE, acting pro se individually and collectively, bring a class action claim for punitive and treble damages in respect to the wrongful deaths and insurance frauds associated with the attacks of 9/11/2001, including the destruction of four Boeing passenger aircraft, Buildings# 1, 2 and 7 of the World Trade Center complex (WTC), and the US Naval Command Center in Wedge 1 of the Pentagon; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants are related through private equity, organized crime and labor groups which responded to the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute of October 1970 by developing sex, sabotage and murder-for-hire services using virtual private networks (VPNs) to launder money and conceive, coordinate and conceal crimes, terrorist acts and frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that in the 1970s, the defendants began to corrupt the Quebec and Arkansas prison systems by extorting and/or bribing prisoners and their guards to plan and commit murders a.k.a. (‘Arkancide’) and establish alibis for the custodians (guardians) of the murder-for-hire networks; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants recruited special weapons and tactics (‘SWAT’) teams from prisoners moving through the Justice and Correction systems in Canada and America or internationally and rewarding successful assassin(s) with a proportion of the proceeds of (re)insurance policies taken out on victims’ property or lives; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants reward assassins with ‘off-book’ funds, including money confiscated by the Canadian Privy Council or the U.S. Department of Justice from international drug cartels or ‘stolen’ by non-government organizations such as the UN Oil-for-Food Program or the UN Environmental Programme; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants’ alleged RICO Enterprise has and is engaged in arson, sabotage, espionage, strikes, bribery, loan sharking, spoliation of evidence and extortion of various leaders of universities, governments and industries, including airlines, banks, labor unions, law enforcement agencies, intelligence services, and media; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants built virtual private networks to conceal the RICO Enterprise from Anglophones (English speakers) by using French, Arabic or other languages and/or by extorting custody of an entire AT&T secure telephony system, Nortel’s Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), and Boeing’s Iridium and Thuraya satellite communications systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants have developed dual-use military and civilian weapons to support global murder-for-hire services, including plasma from tainted blood, incendiary cluster bombs, decoy-and-drone war game maneuvers, anthrax spores, missile gyroscopes, public key encryption and electronic intelligence (ELINT) and electronic warfare (EW) systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants travel or use, or induce their victims to travel or use, facilities in foreign commerce and world trade, including virtual private networks, with intent to murder for pecuniary compensation; Plaintiffs will prove defendants collateralize unlawful debt through the use of fraudulent catastrophe (cat) bond insurance or reinsurance products or services in which agents, saboteurs or assassins are hired to trigger an insured event or force a debt-for-equity swaps by tricking borrowers into spurious violations of their loan covenants; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants, without the knowledge or consent of the public, collateralize unlawful or predatory debt by attaching electronic liens to individual social security or social insurance numbers and/or registries of land or property titles; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants use unlawful debt to extort the leaders of legitimate public or private enterprises into churning, insider trading, outsider trading, pump-and-dump and other securities frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that no later than 1993, the defendants had weapons, opportunity and motive to set up virtual private networks to support false-flag ‘al-Qaeda - Jihadist’, ‘Ba’ath Party - Jacobin’ or ‘Unabomber - Anarchist’ attacks on American assets, including the WTC (1993), the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City (1995), the T-43A jet (a modified Boeing 737-200 used by U.S. Air Force) carrying U.S. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown (1996), the Boeing 747-131 of Flight TWA 800 (1996), US Embassies in East Africa (1998), the USS Cole in Aden Harbor (2000), and four Boeing passenger aircraft, the WTC and the US Naval Command Center (2001); Plaintiffs seek compensatory damages per the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute for the wrongful deaths and property losses caused by the defendants during the conception, coordination, and concealment of the attacks 9/11/2001; Plaintiffs demand that the defendants forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through the alleged pattern of "racketeering activity”; Plaintiffs seek a trial by jury; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to prevent the defendants from transferring potentially forfeitable property through domestic or international private equity trading in emissions credits and offsets and other forms of securities or derivatives exchanges; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order and freeze the assets of pension funds, insurance companies and banks held in the custody of the defendants; Plaintiffs demand the unconditional discharge of all unlawful, collateralized debt obligations, allegedly owed by Citizens of the United States of America in their Republic and Constitution, and others similarly situated, to the defendants in their self-appointed role as the “Global Guardians” or private-equity trustees of public assets in the global commons.

Plaintiffs,

Vs

MOHAMMAD AL-ZAIBAK (team canada-china 2001, CAI private equity group, Macdonald Dettwiler and Associates),

James Baker (Carlyle-CANADA private equity group),

Thomas Barnett (U.S. NAVAL WAR COLLEGE, ‘newrulesets’ war game in north tower, cantor fitzgerald, death of carlton bartels at co2e.com on 9/11, ‘snuff video’ COMMENT),

LAURENT BEAUDOIN (CARlyle-canada private equity group, BOMBARDIER NATO Flying Training in Canada),

George Herbert Walker Bush (Carlyle Private EquityGroup, Central Intelligence Agency, UNITED NATIONS “New World Order” speech to Congress on 9/11/1990, gLOBAL CROSSING),

FRANK Carlucci (CARLYLE-CANADA Private EquityGroup, NORTEL),

JEAN CHRETIEN (team canada-china 2001, GLOBAL GUARDIAN WAR GAME 9/11, queen’s privy council of canada),

William Jefferson Clinton (nato partnership for peace, FRENCH AMERICAN FOUNDATION, ARKANSAS CORRECTION SYSTEM),

Hillary Rodham Clinton (ROSE LAW FIRM, CHICAGO MERCANTILE EXCHANGE, LAFARGE, WALMART, AXA, FRENCH AMERICAN FOUNDATION, federal bureau of investigation),

Arthur Coia (LA COSA NOSTRA, LABORERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION OF NORTH AMERICA AND ESPECIALLY LIUNA LOCAL 2097),

Philippe Collard (Fonds Régional de Solidarité de l'Ile de Montréal, Solidarity Fund QFL,[FONT=Verdana] [/FONT]eNGENUITY Technologies, VIRTUAL PROTOTYPES, AIR NAVIGATION DATA (OTTAWA), nav canada, California Space Institute (San Diego), NASA, US Air Force, US Navy, University of California in Los Angeles (UCLA) Biophysics Division, French Atomic Energy Agency),

PAUL DESMARAIS SENIOR (CARlyle-canada private equity group, Canada Steamship Lines, Canada-China Business Council, axa, paribas, un oil-for-food, queen’s privy council of canada),

Leo DiRubbo (LA COSA NOSTRA, AMEC, Mazzocchi Wrecking, Peter Scalamandre & Sons (Freeport), Big Apple Wrecking, Breeze National),

JOHN DEUTCH (MITIMCO PRIVATE EQUITY GROUP, cENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, RAYTHEON, citigroup, schlumberger, french american foundation, M.I.T. Center for Coordination Science OR M.I.T. Center for collective intelligence),

Gordon England (Combat Systems General Dynamics, PENTAGON U.s. NAVAL COMMAND CENTER FOR GLOBAL GUARDIAN WAR GAME ON 9/11, SUICIDE OF colin mCmillan, nominated successor as U.S. SECRETARY OF THE NAVY)

DANIEL FRIEDMANN (Macdonald, detwiller and associates, DECOY-AND-DRONE WAR GAME MANEUVERS, FINAL APPROACH PROCEDURES, INSTRUMENT APPROACH PROCEDURES, SABRE FLIGHT RESERVATIONS, GROUND MOTION TARGET INDICATOR, MINDBOX LOAN MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, SECURE VIRTUAL PRIVATE NETWORKS, COMMAND, CONTROL, COMMUNICATIONS, COMPUTERS, INTELLIGENCE, SURVEILLANCE AND RECONNAISSANCE SYSTEMS),

ALFONSO GAGLIANO (la cosa nostra, canadian Ministry of Public Works and Government Services,queen’s privy council of canada)

ALBERT “AL” GORE (INTERAGENCY WORKING GROUP FOR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, at&t virtual private networks, GENERATION INVESTMENTS carbon offset trader),

JOHN KERRY (BILDERBERG 2001, Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), Vietcong, VIETNAMESE COMMUNISTS, FRANCOPHONIE, [vietnam veterans against the war + Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice + Communist Party, USA, had headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City], Black PantherS)

Kristine Marcy (MCCONNELL INTERNATIONAL, U.S. Detention and Deportation Program, Immigration and Naturalization Service; U.S. Marshals Service; U.S. Department of Justice; Offices of Construction Management and Budget at the Department of the Interior; Office of Civil Rights, Department of Education; Office of Personnel Management, u.s. investigation services, carlyle private equity group, Georgetown University),

pAUL mARTIN, (lansdowne technologies, canada steamship lines, Honeywell, unmovic, Martec (Quebec), queen’s privy council of canadA),

Bruce McConnell (MCCONNELL INTERNATIONAL, International Y2K Cooperation Center for United Nations and World Bank, giving 170 national governments AND PRIVATE equity networkS ACCESS to White House encryption, TOMOYE)

FRANK MCKENNA (CARlyle-canada private equity group, AMEC, CANADIAN Security Intelligence Review Committee, Communications Security Establishment, GENERAL MOTORS ACCEPTANCE CORPORATION, canwest global communications, queen’s privy council of canada),

brian mulroney (European Aeronautic Defence & Space,OGILVY RENAULT, queen’s privy council of canada),

MARCEL OSPEL (ubs, UNITED NATIONS ENVIRONMENT PROGRAMME (UNEP), WALL STREET HEDGE FUND FRAUDS, NAZI ARCHIVES DESTRUCTION, Bin laden family, swissair, Minnesota state board of investment private equity group, iraq intelligence services, federal reserve bank of new york, amec, ONE NORTH WACKER DRIVE CHICAGO, countrywide, mindbox, chIcago boARd of trade, Securities and Exchange Board of India, BANK OF AMERICA, America-Canada Trust Fund AMCA)

Jeane Palfrey (Pamela Martin and Associates, Washington, D.C. escort and prostitution SERVICE, AT&T, pentagon “shock-and-awe” theorist)

PIERRE PETTIGREW (team canada-china 2001, Political Committee nato, francophonie quebec, queen’s privy council of canada),

John M. Shalikashvili (NATO PARTNERSHIP FOR PEACE PROGRAM, CHINESE PEOPLE’S LIBERATION ARMY, US joint chiefs of staff, BOEING COMPANY),

Maurice Strong (CANADIAN INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AGENCY PRIVATE EQUITY GROUP, CANADIAN COMMERICAL CORPORATION, CORDEX PETROLEUM, EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CANADA, CASCADE AEROSPACE, lansdowne technologies, CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE, UNITED NATIONS ENVIRONMENT PROGRAMME (UNEP), queen’s privy council of canada, UN-Funded COMMISSION ON GLOBAL GOVERNANCE, United Nations University for Peace in Costa Rica),

Fred Dalton Thompson (Registered foreign agent representing overseas business entities, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, UNITED STATES-CHINA ECONOMIC AND SECURITY REVIEW COMMISSION, committee ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS investigations into allegations china attempted to influence American politics prior to 1996 elections, U.S. Senate investigations into Clinton-Gore and GOP campaign fund-raising activities WHERE witnesses declinED to testify, AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE, SENATE WATERGATE COMMITTEE, WESTINGHOUSE, GENERAL ELECTRIC, TENNESSEE SAVINGS AND LOAN LEAGUE, U.S. Savings and Loan crisis)

Randall L. Tobias (AT&T VIRTUAL PRIVATE NETWORK, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF State, U.S. Foreign Assistance, US Agency for International Development, President’s Emergency Fund for AIDS Relief)

and their co-defendants, collectively the ‘enterprise’:

RALPH M. BARFORD (CAI private equity group, HOLLINGER, INC ), MAURICE BARIL (GLOBAL GUARDIAN WAR GAME 9/11), Warren Batts (CHIcago climate exchange), CLAUDE BEBEAR (AXA), LARRY I. BELL (CAI private equity group), JALYNN H. BENNETT (CAI private equity group, NORTEL), ROY F. BENNETT (CAI private equity group), PETER J. G. BENTLEY (Carlyle-CANADA private equity group), SAMUEL “SANDY” BERGER (NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL), JOHN BIGGS (BOEING, jpmorgan, tiaa-cref private equity group), David Blood (GOLDMAN SACHS private equity group, amec, generation investments) RICHARD S. BRADDOCK (CAI private equity group -CITIGROUP), Carole Brookins (CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE), John E. Bryson (BOEING) John Campbell (IRIDIUM, military advisor to Director of Central Intelligence, DoD and Regional Combatant Commanders for 9/11 Global Guardian war games), PAUL G. S. CANTOR (CAI private equity group), Susan M. Cischke (CHIcago climate exchange) RICHARD CLARKE (NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL), Micki J. Daily (liuna), William M. Daley (US DEPT OF commerce, boeing), THOMAS P. D'AQUINO (CAI private equity group), HENRI DE CASTRIES (axa), Rudi Dekkers (CIA, Britannia Aviation, Lynchburg Virginia Regional Airport, Huffman Aviation),[FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT]KEVIN DELANEY (FAA), ANDRE DESMARAIS (Canada-China Business Council,[FONT=Arial] [/FONT]bombardier, Pargesa private equity group), Paul Desmarais JUNIOR (POWER CORPORATION OF CANADA), Darleen Druyun (nato, BOEING), Stuart E. Eizenstat (CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE), L. YVES FORTIER (CAI private equity group, alcan, un commission on global governance), RICK FINDLEY (NORAD), S.A. Fry (U.S. JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF), RAYMOND GARNEAU (CAI private equity group), Jane Garvey (FAA),KEN GEORGETTI (bc fEDERATION OF LABOR, British Columbia Investment Management Corporation), Joe Giroir (BEI INDUSTRIES, ROSE LAW FIRM), John J. Giudice (buttonwood international), Rudolph Giuliani (NYC MAYOR’S OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT), Jamie Gorelick (u.s. dEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, 9/11 commision, SCHLUMBERGER),[FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT]Paul Edward GraY (BOEING, mitimco private equity group), MAurice “Hank” Greenberg (CFR, BLACKSTONE private equity group), ALEXANDER M. HAIG JR (CAI private equity group), GRAHAM O. HARRISON (CAI private equity group), TERESA HEINZ (United Nations Conference on Environment and Development - Rio Earth Summit, heinZ foundation), WEBSTER HUBBELL (ROSE LAW FIRM), Peter Janson (AMEC, AGRA), C. KENT JESPERSEN (CAI private equity group),DAVID L. JOHNSTON (CAI private equity group), BERNARD KERIK (NYC MAYOR’S OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT), Stéphane LESSARD (TEAM CANADA-CHINA 2001, Canadian Space Agency),François BUJON de l'ESTANG (french embassy, net-centric warfare, tHALES), PIERRE LORTIE (CAI private equity group, BOMBARDIER, Montreal Stock Exchange), DONALD S. MACDONALD (CAI private equity group, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, PRIVY COUNCIL, MINISTER OF DEFENCE), RONALD N. MANNIX (CAI private equity group), JOHN H. MCARTHUR (CAI private equity group, WORLD BANK), W. DARCY MCKEOUGH (CAI private equity group), W. James McNerney Jr. (BOEING, GENERAL ELECTRIC), JOSEPH J. MELONE (AXA, CAI private equity group), J. EDWARD NEWALL (CAI private equity group), LAURENCE G. PATHY (CAI private equity group), SUSAN POLLAK (CANADIAN Security Intelligence Review Committee), GUY SAINT-PIERRE (CAI private equity group, RBC Global Services), Janet Reno (USDOJ), TOM RIDGE (IRIDIUM) Rozanne L. RidgwaY (boeing), David Rockefeller (JP MORGAN CHASE private equity group, un oil-for-food program), LES ROSENTHAL (CHIcago climate exchange), Eric Sauve (TOMOYE private equity group), George Soros (WASTE MANAGEMENT INC), Richard Sheirer (NYC Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management, FDNY, NYPD), GEORGE TENET (CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY), NICOLE TURMEL (PUBLIC SERVICE ALLIANCE OF CANADA, NAV CANADA), LYNTON R. WILSON (NORTEL), ADAM H. ZIMMERMAN (CAI private equity group), and 22 unidentified co-investors in the CAI PRIVATE EQUITY GROUP of Montreal and New York.

Defendants

ASSOCIATES OF THE ‘ENTERPRISE’ NOTED AS ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATORS NOT NAMED AS DEFENDANTS,

BARZAN AL-TIKRITI (deceased), kofe annan (UN GLOBAL COMPACT, UNEP), MOHAMMED ATTA (DECEASED - VIRTUAL PROTOTYPES, eNGENUITY Technologies, ENSCO), richard ben-veniste (9/11 commission), Yeslam Bin Laden (CARlyle private equity group, pargesa), Lord CONRAD BLACK (hollinger, BILDERBERG private equity group, hans blix (UNMOVIC), Bruce H. Braine (CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE), RON BROWN (DECEASED), JACQUES CHIRAC (iraq’S osirik nuclear reactor), Noam Chomsky(MITIMCO private equity group, MIT CENTER FOR COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE, INDUSTRIAL WORKERS OF THE WORLD), max cleland (9/11 commission), Arthur Ettore COIA (DEceased LIUNA), Linda Z. Cook (SHELL, BOEING), Kenneth M. Duberstein (BOEING), fred fielding (9/11 commission), vincent foster (deceased), Stephen E. Gardell (New York City Detectives' Endowment Association), boutros boutros ghali(UNITED NATIONS, francophonie), slade gorton (9/11 commission), Mitchel GuttenberG (UBS HEDEGE FUND FRAUDS), James Andrews Grant (SIRC), JIMMY HOFFAJUNIOR (TEAMSTERS), SADDAM HUSSEIN (deceased), THEODORE "TED" KACZYNSKI (unabomber), thomas kean (9/11 commission), john lehman (9/11 commission), Thomas W. Malone, david marcus (9/11 commission), Joseph mASSIN0 (BONANNO CRIME FAMILY, la cosa nostra, First Liberty Investment Group Inc), Mike McCormick (FAA), John F. McDonnell, KHALiD SHEIKH MOHAMMED (central intelligence agency), JOSEPH Noviello (cantor fitzgerald), LEON PANETTA (at&t secure telephony), TONGSUN PARK (LIPPO GROUP), Pete Peterson(CFR), John Prater (ALPA), VITO RIZUTTO (RIZUTTO CRIME FAMILY), JAy rockefeller (us senate intelligence committee),steven rockefeller, tim roemer (9/11 commission), Richard L. Sandor, IRA SOCOWITZ, james r thompson (9/11 commission, hollinger), the right honourable PIERRE ELLIOT TRUDEAU (DECEASED, Front de Liberation du Québec), BRUCE USHER, WALTER B.WRISTON (CAI), RAMZi YOUSEF (al-qaeda, iraq intelligence services), Mike S. Zafirovski (boeing), philip zelikow (9/11 commission)"

[IlluSionS667]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Of: Hoe je met een cirkelredenering uiteindelijk toch weer bij je eigen (foute) conclusies uitkomt.

Weeral moet je leren om voor jezelf te spreken....

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Wil je nu echt met droge ogen beweren dat je gevonden informatie en bronnen niet beoordeelt? Is een bewering van je vijfjarige buurmeisje over quantummechanica voor jou evenveel waard als die van een wetenschapper?

Wanneer dat vijfjarig buurmeisje het genie van een Mozart heeft, dan is het niet onmogelijk dat zij interessante dingen te zeggen heeft waar een gemiddelde wetenschapper overheen kijkt. Daarom primeren voor mij de gebruikte argumenten, zoals ik al zei. Autoriteit van een bron is voor mij onbelangrijk, zeker vermits het net autoriteit is dat vaak gebruikt wordt om mensen te misleiden.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

En als van die wetenschapper bekend is dat hij al negen keer aantoonbare onzin heeft lopen verkondigen, geloof jij hem dan de tiende keer onvoorwaardelijk?

Nogmaals, ik kijk naar zijn argumenten en alleen zijn argumenten. Ik geloof noch ontken iemand onvoorwaardelijk.

Als iemand 9 keer gelogen heeft, dan betekent het niet dat hij de 10de keer liegt. Evenmin betekent het dat iemand de waarheid vertelt wanneer hij 9 keer eerder zeer zinnige en wetenschappelijk gefundeerde publicaties heeft gemaakt.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Natuurlijk beoordeel jij je bronnen ook. Aan alle bronnen evenveel waarde toekennen is óók een beoordeling.

Ik beoordeel mijn bronnen niet. Ik kijk naar argumenten en enkel naar argumenten. Blijkbaar is dit een graad van objectiviteit die voor jou moeilijk te begrijpen is, wat ook meteen illustreert waarom je zo vast blijft houden aan waanbeelden die door de CIA werden verspreid.

[La Chunga]

Oh neen, niet nog een copy/paster...

Ik denk trouwens dat uw vorige topic bij de andere 9/11-fantasmen staat in het forum op verzoek van bezoekers. Plak daar een beetje...


Hier: http://forum.politics.be/showthread....73#post2708273

[F16_Pilot_B]

Dit ga ik niet lezen

[Dukekiller]

Dat copy paste gedoe was om duidelijk te maken dat het hier om een echte rechtzaak gaat met echte beklaagden. Maar ogen hebben deze replyers blijkbaar niet in hun hoofd

Lees de topicstart eerst, mensen, en als ge er iets op in te brengen hebt, graag. Maar dat moedwillig minimaliseren of drownen van het topic, dat is al zo oud als de straat. Toevoegen van ruis noemen we dat.

En dat werkt hier dus niet normaal door het niet te lezen en wel te antwoorden.

[F16_Pilot_B]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dukekiller

Dat copy paste gedoe was om duidelijk te maken dat het hier om een echte rechtzaak gaat met echte beklaagden. Maar ogen hebben deze replyers blijkbaar niet in hun hoofd

Lees de topicstart eerst, mensen, en als ge er iets op in te brengen hebt, graag. Maar dat moedwillig minimaliseren of drownen van het topic, dat is al zo oud als de straat. Toevoegen van ruis noemen we dat.

En dat werkt hier dus niet normaal door het niet te lezen en wel te antwoorden.

Hehehe ik heb me eigenlijk als zitten af vragen waarom ik hier mijn eerste vraag heb gezet!!Want dit is bullshit eerste klasse!!!

[Hertog van Gelre]

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Ik beoordeel mijn bronnen niet. Ik kijk naar argumenten en enkel naar argumenten.

Argumenten zijn geen feiten. Argumenten doen je twijfelen, nadenken, piekeren, theoretiseren.
Bewijzen doen je zeker weten.
Bronnen interpreteren feiten en brengen deze interpretatie vervolgens aan jou over. Jij noemt dat argumenten.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door IlluSionS667

Blijkbaar is dit een graad van objectiviteit die voor jou moeilijk te begrijpen is,

Dat is geen objectiviteit, dat is goedgelovigheid.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door IlluSionS667

wat ook meteen illustreert waarom je zo vast blijft houden aan waanbeelden die door de CIA werden verspreid.

Zie jij ergens dat ik vast blijf houden aan waanbeelden die door de CIA werden verspreid? Da's knap.

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Argumenten zijn geen feiten. Argumenten doen je twijfelen, nadenken, piekeren, theoretiseren.
Bewijzen doen je zeker weten.
Bronnen interpreteren feiten en brengen deze interpretatie vervolgens aan jou over. Jij noemt dat argumenten.

Dat is geen objectiviteit, dat is goedgelovigheid.

Zie jij ergens dat ik vast blijf houden aan waanbeelden die door de CIA werden verspreid? Da's knap.

Geloof niets omdat het door een deskundige wordt gezegd, of als gezegd wordt dat het van de engelen komt, of van Goden, of van een geïnspireerde bron. Geloof het alleen als je het verkend hebt in je eigen hart en geest en lichaam en het als waarheid gevonden hebt. Werk je eigen pad uit, met vlijt.

[IlluSionS667]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Argumenten zijn geen feiten. Argumenten doen je twijfelen, nadenken, piekeren, theoretiseren.
Bewijzen doen je zeker weten.

Hoe meer de argumenten door de feiten bevestigd worden, hoe sterker de argumenten. Je benadert dus iemand's argumenten door deze te leggen naast feiten. Hierbij is het uiteraard belangrijk dat die feiten ook effectief feiten zijn en in het verleden dus al zijn aangetoond.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Bronnen interpreteren feiten en brengen deze interpretatie vervolgens aan jou over. Jij noemt dat argumenten.

Dat is geen objectiviteit, dat is goedgelovigheid.

Het is goedgelovigheid wanneer je iemand's interpretatie/argumenten als waar aanneemt, enkel en alleen omdat je die bron betrouwbaar vind. Dat is wat jij doet.

Het is objectiviteit wanneer je iemand's interpretatie/argumenten naar de feiten legt en deze interpretatie/argumenten vergelijkt met andere interpretaties/argumenten om zo Occam's schaar of andere logische methodes toe te passen. Dat is wat ik doe.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hertog van Gelre

Zie jij ergens dat ik vast blijf houden aan waanbeelden die door de CIA werden verspreid? Da's knap.

Geloofde jij niet in de officiële versie van 9/11?!

[Dukekiller]

Blijf dan maar lekker doorposten, slimme. Zo kom je niet goed over. Had ik te veel zinnekes achter elkaar misschien? Ik dacht er nog overal witregels bij te zetten.

Dus, als je even tijd wil maken om de topicstart te lezen. doe dat dan.

Anders, wat blijf je hier toch posten als het je niet interesseert?

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dukekiller

Dat copy paste gedoe was om duidelijk te maken dat het hier om een echte rechtzaak gaat met echte beklaagden. Maar ogen hebben deze replyers blijkbaar niet in hun hoofd

Lees de topicstart eerst, mensen, en als ge er iets op in te brengen hebt, graag. Maar dat moedwillig minimaliseren of drownen van het topic, dat is al zo oud als de straat. Toevoegen van ruis noemen we dat.

En dat werkt hier dus niet normaal door het niet te lezen en wel te antwoorden.

Niet van wakker liggen Dukekiller, er zijn zo van tijd tot tijd een aantal onwetenden die zich menen te moeten moeien in dit soort topics.

Er zijn echter ook een aantal heel geïnteresseerde burgers (van de tien langste draden in buitenlandse politiek gaan meer dan de helft over 9-11) die hier mee zullen opvolgen hoe de rechtzaak zal verlopen



PS: Uw handtekening is een waarheid als een koe!

[Hertog van Gelre]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door IlluSionS667

Hoe meer de argumenten door de feiten bevestigd worden, hoe sterker de argumenten. Je benadert dus iemand's argumenten door deze te leggen naast feiten. Hierbij is het uiteraard belangrijk dat die feiten ook effectief feiten zijn en in het verleden dus al zijn aangetoond.
Het is goedgelovigheid wanneer je iemand's interpretatie/argumenten als waar aanneemt, enkel en alleen omdat je die bron betrouwbaar vind. Dat is wat jij doet.
Het is objectiviteit wanneer je iemand's interpretatie/argumenten naar de feiten legt en deze interpretatie/argumenten vergelijkt met andere interpretaties/argumenten om zo Occam's schaar of andere logische methodes toe te passen. Dat is wat ik doe.

Wij krijgen elke rangschikking van de feiten uit tweede of derde hand. En ELKE rangschikking van feiten is subjectief.

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door IlluSionS667

Geloofde jij niet in de officiële versie van 9/11?!

Te kort door de bocht. Het is niet zo dat ik GELOOF in de officiele versie van 911. Ik sluit niets uit en sta open voor elke waarheid. Tot nu toe heb ik echter als alternatief niets anders gelezen of gehoord dan de meest wilde fantasieen die op geen enkel verifieerbaar feit zijn gebaseerd.

Ik sluit ook buitenaards leven niet uit. Toch hoef ik niet elke nutcase met een zelfgefabriceerde foto te geloven.

[illwill]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Dukekiller

Bestaat er op dit forum ook zoiets als on-topic reacties? Mij lijken deze reacties van mensen die zich vervelen, maar nog niet de moeite doen om even te kijken waar het over gaat.
Hallo, rechtzaak tegen beklaagden over 9/11, hier...
Ik zal voor de duidelijkheid even dit copy-pasten: Aanklacht en lijst van beklaagden. OK, het is misschien wat moeilijk lezen maar het is dan ook een officiele aanklacht.

May 1, 2007: FILED BY Field MCCONNELL as Civil Case 3:07-CV-49 IN
Fargo Courthouse, North Dakota

"Lieutenant Colonel Field McConnell, North Dakota ANG, retired, USNA 1971, and 99 fellow plaintiffs with the Citizens Association of Forensic Economists at Hawks CAFE, acting pro se individually and collectively, bring a class action claim for punitive and treble damages in respect to the wrongful deaths and insurance frauds associated with the attacks of 9/11/2001, including the destruction of four Boeing passenger aircraft, Buildings# 1, 2 and 7 of the World Trade Center complex (WTC), and the US Naval Command Center in Wedge 1 of the Pentagon; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants are related through private equity, organized crime and labor groups which responded to the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute of October 1970 by developing sex, sabotage and murder-for-hire services using virtual private networks (VPNs) to launder money and conceive, coordinate and conceal crimes, terrorist acts and frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that in the 1970s, the defendants began to corrupt the Quebec and Arkansas prison systems by extorting and/or bribing prisoners and their guards to plan and commit murders a.k.a. (‘Arkancide’) and establish alibis for the custodians (guardians) of the murder-for-hire networks; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants recruited special weapons and tactics (‘SWAT’) teams from prisoners moving through the Justice and Correction systems in Canada and America or internationally and rewarding successful assassin(s) with a proportion of the proceeds of (re)insurance policies taken out on victims’ property or lives; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants reward assassins with ‘off-book’ funds, including money confiscated by the Canadian Privy Council or the U.S. Department of Justice from international drug cartels or ‘stolen’ by non-government organizations such as the UN Oil-for-Food Program or the UN Environmental Programme; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants’ alleged RICO Enterprise has and is engaged in arson, sabotage, espionage, strikes, bribery, loan sharking, spoliation of evidence and extortion of various leaders of universities, governments and industries, including airlines, banks, labor unions, law enforcement agencies, intelligence services, and media; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants built virtual private networks to conceal the RICO Enterprise from Anglophones (English speakers) by using French, Arabic or other languages and/or by extorting custody of an entire AT&T secure telephony system, Nortel’s Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), and Boeing’s Iridium and Thuraya satellite communications systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants have developed dual-use military and civilian weapons to support global murder-for-hire services, including plasma from tainted blood, incendiary cluster bombs, decoy-and-drone war game maneuvers, anthrax spores, missile gyroscopes, public key encryption and electronic intelligence (ELINT) and electronic warfare (EW) systems; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants travel or use, or induce their victims to travel or use, facilities in foreign commerce and world trade, including virtual private networks, with intent to murder for pecuniary compensation; Plaintiffs will prove defendants collateralize unlawful debt through the use of fraudulent catastrophe (cat) bond insurance or reinsurance products or services in which agents, saboteurs or assassins are hired to trigger an insured event or force a debt-for-equity swaps by tricking borrowers into spurious violations of their loan covenants; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants, without the knowledge or consent of the public, collateralize unlawful or predatory debt by attaching electronic liens to individual social security or social insurance numbers and/or registries of land or property titles; Plaintiffs will prove that the defendants use unlawful debt to extort the leaders of legitimate public or private enterprises into churning, insider trading, outsider trading, pump-and-dump and other securities frauds; Plaintiffs will prove that no later than 1993, the defendants had weapons, opportunity and motive to set up virtual private networks to support false-flag ‘al-Qaeda - Jihadist’, ‘Ba’ath Party - Jacobin’ or ‘Unabomber - Anarchist’ attacks on American assets, including the WTC (1993), the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City (1995), the T-43A jet (a modified Boeing 737-200 used by U.S. Air Force) carrying U.S. Commerce Secretary Ron Brown (1996), the Boeing 747-131 of Flight TWA 800 (1996), US Embassies in East Africa (1998), the USS Cole in Aden Harbor (2000), and four Boeing passenger aircraft, the WTC and the US Naval Command Center (2001); Plaintiffs seek compensatory damages per the racketeering influenced and corrupt organization (RICO) statute for the wrongful deaths and property losses caused by the defendants during the conception, coordination, and concealment of the attacks 9/11/2001; Plaintiffs demand that the defendants forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through the alleged pattern of "racketeering activity”; Plaintiffs seek a trial by jury; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to prevent the defendants from transferring potentially forfeitable property through domestic or international private equity trading in emissions credits and offsets and other forms of securities or derivatives exchanges; Plaintiffs ask courts with jurisdiction to issue a pre-trial restraining order and freeze the assets of pension funds, insurance companies and banks held in the custody of the defendants; Plaintiffs demand the unconditional discharge of all unlawful, collateralized debt obligations, allegedly owed by Citizens of the United States of America in their Republic and Constitution, and others similarly situated, to the defendants in their self-appointed role as the “Global Guardians” or private-equity trustees of public assets in the global commons.

Plaintiffs,

Vs

MOHAMMAD AL-ZAIBAK (team canada-china 2001, CAI private equity group, Macdonald Dettwiler and Associates),

James Baker (Carlyle-CANADA private equity group),

Thomas Barnett (U.S. NAVAL WAR COLLEGE, ‘newrulesets’ war game in north tower, cantor fitzgerald, death of carlton bartels at co2e.com on 9/11, ‘snuff video’ COMMENT),

LAURENT BEAUDOIN (CARlyle-canada private equity group, BOMBARDIER NATO Flying Training in Canada),

George Herbert Walker Bush (Carlyle Private EquityGroup, Central Intelligence Agency, UNITED NATIONS “New World Order” speech to Congress on 9/11/1990, gLOBAL CROSSING),

FRANK Carlucci (CARLYLE-CANADA Private EquityGroup, NORTEL),

JEAN CHRETIEN (team canada-china 2001, GLOBAL GUARDIAN WAR GAME 9/11, queen’s privy council of canada),

William Jefferson Clinton (nato partnership for peace, FRENCH AMERICAN FOUNDATION, ARKANSAS CORRECTION SYSTEM),

Hillary Rodham Clinton (ROSE LAW FIRM, CHICAGO MERCANTILE EXCHANGE, LAFARGE, WALMART, AXA, FRENCH AMERICAN FOUNDATION, federal bureau of investigation),

Arthur Coia (LA COSA NOSTRA, LABORERS' INTERNATIONAL UNION OF NORTH AMERICA AND ESPECIALLY LIUNA LOCAL 2097),

Philippe Collard (Fonds Régional de Solidarité de l'Ile de Montréal, Solidarity Fund QFL,[FONT=Verdana] [/FONT]eNGENUITY Technologies, VIRTUAL PROTOTYPES, AIR NAVIGATION DATA (OTTAWA), nav canada, California Space Institute (San Diego), NASA, US Air Force, US Navy, University of California in Los Angeles (UCLA) Biophysics Division, French Atomic Energy Agency),

PAUL DESMARAIS SENIOR (CARlyle-canada private equity group, Canada Steamship Lines, Canada-China Business Council, axa, paribas, un oil-for-food, queen’s privy council of canada),

Leo DiRubbo (LA COSA NOSTRA, AMEC, Mazzocchi Wrecking, Peter Scalamandre & Sons (Freeport), Big Apple Wrecking, Breeze National),

JOHN DEUTCH (MITIMCO PRIVATE EQUITY GROUP, cENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, RAYTHEON, citigroup, schlumberger, french american foundation, M.I.T. Center for Coordination Science OR M.I.T. Center for collective intelligence),

Gordon England (Combat Systems General Dynamics, PENTAGON U.s. NAVAL COMMAND CENTER FOR GLOBAL GUARDIAN WAR GAME ON 9/11, SUICIDE OF colin mCmillan, nominated successor as U.S. SECRETARY OF THE NAVY)

DANIEL FRIEDMANN (Macdonald, detwiller and associates, DECOY-AND-DRONE WAR GAME MANEUVERS, FINAL APPROACH PROCEDURES, INSTRUMENT APPROACH PROCEDURES, SABRE FLIGHT RESERVATIONS, GROUND MOTION TARGET INDICATOR, MINDBOX LOAN MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE, SECURE VIRTUAL PRIVATE NETWORKS, COMMAND, CONTROL, COMMUNICATIONS, COMPUTERS, INTELLIGENCE, SURVEILLANCE AND RECONNAISSANCE SYSTEMS),

ALFONSO GAGLIANO (la cosa nostra, canadian Ministry of Public Works and Government Services,queen’s privy council of canada)

ALBERT “AL” GORE (INTERAGENCY WORKING GROUP FOR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, at&t virtual private networks, GENERATION INVESTMENTS carbon offset trader),

JOHN KERRY (BILDERBERG 2001, Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), Vietcong, VIETNAMESE COMMUNISTS, FRANCOPHONIE, [vietnam veterans against the war + Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice + Communist Party, USA, had headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City], Black PantherS)

Kristine Marcy (MCCONNELL INTERNATIONAL, U.S. Detention and Deportation Program, Immigration and Naturalization Service; U.S. Marshals Service; U.S. Department of Justice; Offices of Construction Management and Budget at the Department of the Interior; Office of Civil Rights, Department of Education; Office of Personnel Management, u.s. investigation services, carlyle private equity group, Georgetown University),

pAUL mARTIN, (lansdowne technologies, canada steamship lines, Honeywell, unmovic, Martec (Quebec), queen’s privy council of canadA),

Bruce McConnell (MCCONNELL INTERNATIONAL, International Y2K Cooperation Center for United Nations and World Bank, giving 170 national governments AND PRIVATE equity networkS ACCESS to White House encryption, TOMOYE)

FRANK MCKENNA (CARlyle-canada private equity group, AMEC, CANADIAN Security Intelligence Review Committee, Communications Security Establishment, GENERAL MOTORS ACCEPTANCE CORPORATION, canwest global communications, queen’s privy council of canada),

brian mulroney (European Aeronautic Defence & Space,OGILVY RENAULT, queen’s privy council of canada),

MARCEL OSPEL (ubs, UNITED NATIONS ENVIRONMENT PROGRAMME (UNEP), WALL STREET HEDGE FUND FRAUDS, NAZI ARCHIVES DESTRUCTION, Bin laden family, swissair, Minnesota state board of investment private equity group, iraq intelligence services, federal reserve bank of new york, amec, ONE NORTH WACKER DRIVE CHICAGO, countrywide, mindbox, chIcago boARd of trade, Securities and Exchange Board of India, BANK OF AMERICA, America-Canada Trust Fund AMCA)

Jeane Palfrey (Pamela Martin and Associates, Washington, D.C. escort and prostitution SERVICE, AT&T, pentagon “shock-and-awe” theorist)

PIERRE PETTIGREW (team canada-china 2001, Political Committee nato, francophonie quebec, queen’s privy council of canada),

John M. Shalikashvili (NATO PARTNERSHIP FOR PEACE PROGRAM, CHINESE PEOPLE’S LIBERATION ARMY, US joint chiefs of staff, BOEING COMPANY),

Maurice Strong (CANADIAN INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AGENCY PRIVATE EQUITY GROUP, CANADIAN COMMERICAL CORPORATION, CORDEX PETROLEUM, EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CANADA, CASCADE AEROSPACE, lansdowne technologies, CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE, UNITED NATIONS ENVIRONMENT PROGRAMME (UNEP), queen’s privy council of canada, UN-Funded COMMISSION ON GLOBAL GOVERNANCE, United Nations University for Peace in Costa Rica),

Fred Dalton Thompson (Registered foreign agent representing overseas business entities, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, UNITED STATES-CHINA ECONOMIC AND SECURITY REVIEW COMMISSION, committee ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS investigations into allegations china attempted to influence American politics prior to 1996 elections, U.S. Senate investigations into Clinton-Gore and GOP campaign fund-raising activities WHERE witnesses declinED to testify, AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE, SENATE WATERGATE COMMITTEE, WESTINGHOUSE, GENERAL ELECTRIC, TENNESSEE SAVINGS AND LOAN LEAGUE, U.S. Savings and Loan crisis)

Randall L. Tobias (AT&T VIRTUAL PRIVATE NETWORK, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF State, U.S. Foreign Assistance, US Agency for International Development, President’s Emergency Fund for AIDS Relief)

and their co-defendants, collectively the ‘enterprise’:

RALPH M. BARFORD (CAI private equity group, HOLLINGER, INC ), MAURICE BARIL (GLOBAL GUARDIAN WAR GAME 9/11), Warren Batts (CHIcago climate exchange), CLAUDE BEBEAR (AXA), LARRY I. BELL (CAI private equity group), JALYNN H. BENNETT (CAI private equity group, NORTEL), ROY F. BENNETT (CAI private equity group), PETER J. G. BENTLEY (Carlyle-CANADA private equity group), SAMUEL “SANDY” BERGER (NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL), JOHN BIGGS (BOEING, jpmorgan, tiaa-cref private equity group), David Blood (GOLDMAN SACHS private equity group, amec, generation investments) RICHARD S. BRADDOCK (CAI private equity group -CITIGROUP), Carole Brookins (CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE), John E. Bryson (BOEING) John Campbell (IRIDIUM, military advisor to Director of Central Intelligence, DoD and Regional Combatant Commanders for 9/11 Global Guardian war games), PAUL G. S. CANTOR (CAI private equity group), Susan M. Cischke (CHIcago climate exchange) RICHARD CLARKE (NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL), Micki J. Daily (liuna), William M. Daley (US DEPT OF commerce, boeing), THOMAS P. D'AQUINO (CAI private equity group), HENRI DE CASTRIES (axa), Rudi Dekkers (CIA, Britannia Aviation, Lynchburg Virginia Regional Airport, Huffman Aviation),[FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT]KEVIN DELANEY (FAA), ANDRE DESMARAIS (Canada-China Business Council,[FONT=Arial] [/FONT]bombardier, Pargesa private equity group), Paul Desmarais JUNIOR (POWER CORPORATION OF CANADA), Darleen Druyun (nato, BOEING), Stuart E. Eizenstat (CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE), L. YVES FORTIER (CAI private equity group, alcan, un commission on global governance), RICK FINDLEY (NORAD), S.A. Fry (U.S. JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF), RAYMOND GARNEAU (CAI private equity group), Jane Garvey (FAA),KEN GEORGETTI (bc fEDERATION OF LABOR, British Columbia Investment Management Corporation), Joe Giroir (BEI INDUSTRIES, ROSE LAW FIRM), John J. Giudice (buttonwood international), Rudolph Giuliani (NYC MAYOR’S OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT), Jamie Gorelick (u.s. dEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, 9/11 commision, SCHLUMBERGER),[FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT]Paul Edward GraY (BOEING, mitimco private equity group), MAurice “Hank” Greenberg (CFR, BLACKSTONE private equity group), ALEXANDER M. HAIG JR (CAI private equity group), GRAHAM O. HARRISON (CAI private equity group), TERESA HEINZ (United Nations Conference on Environment and Development - Rio Earth Summit, heinZ foundation), WEBSTER HUBBELL (ROSE LAW FIRM), Peter Janson (AMEC, AGRA), C. KENT JESPERSEN (CAI private equity group),DAVID L. JOHNSTON (CAI private equity group), BERNARD KERIK (NYC MAYOR’S OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT), Stéphane LESSARD (TEAM CANADA-CHINA 2001, Canadian Space Agency),François BUJON de l'ESTANG (french embassy, net-centric warfare, tHALES), PIERRE LORTIE (CAI private equity group, BOMBARDIER, Montreal Stock Exchange), DONALD S. MACDONALD (CAI private equity group, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, PRIVY COUNCIL, MINISTER OF DEFENCE), RONALD N. MANNIX (CAI private equity group), JOHN H. MCARTHUR (CAI private equity group, WORLD BANK), W. DARCY MCKEOUGH (CAI private equity group), W. James McNerney Jr. (BOEING, GENERAL ELECTRIC), JOSEPH J. MELONE (AXA, CAI private equity group), J. EDWARD NEWALL (CAI private equity group), LAURENCE G. PATHY (CAI private equity group), SUSAN POLLAK (CANADIAN Security Intelligence Review Committee), GUY SAINT-PIERRE (CAI private equity group, RBC Global Services), Janet Reno (USDOJ), TOM RIDGE (IRIDIUM) Rozanne L. RidgwaY (boeing), David Rockefeller (JP MORGAN CHASE private equity group, un oil-for-food program), LES ROSENTHAL (CHIcago climate exchange), Eric Sauve (TOMOYE private equity group), George Soros (WASTE MANAGEMENT INC), Richard Sheirer (NYC Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management, FDNY, NYPD), GEORGE TENET (CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY), NICOLE TURMEL (PUBLIC SERVICE ALLIANCE OF CANADA, NAV CANADA), LYNTON R. WILSON (NORTEL), ADAM H. ZIMMERMAN (CAI private equity group), and 22 unidentified co-investors in the CAI PRIVATE EQUITY GROUP of Montreal and New York.

Defendants

ASSOCIATES OF THE ‘ENTERPRISE’ NOTED AS ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATORS NOT NAMED AS DEFENDANTS,

BARZAN AL-TIKRITI (deceased), kofe annan (UN GLOBAL COMPACT, UNEP), MOHAMMED ATTA (DECEASED - VIRTUAL PROTOTYPES, eNGENUITY Technologies, ENSCO), richard ben-veniste (9/11 commission), Yeslam Bin Laden (CARlyle private equity group, pargesa), Lord CONRAD BLACK (hollinger, BILDERBERG private equity group, hans blix (UNMOVIC), Bruce H. Braine (CHICAGO CLIMATE EXCHANGE), RON BROWN (DECEASED), JACQUES CHIRAC (iraq’S osirik nuclear reactor), Noam Chomsky(MITIMCO private equity group, MIT CENTER FOR COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE, INDUSTRIAL WORKERS OF THE WORLD), max cleland (9/11 commission), Arthur Ettore COIA (DEceased LIUNA), Linda Z. Cook (SHELL, BOEING), Kenneth M. Duberstein (BOEING), fred fielding (9/11 commission), vincent foster (deceased), Stephen E. Gardell (New York City Detectives' Endowment Association), boutros boutros ghali(UNITED NATIONS, francophonie), slade gorton (9/11 commission), Mitchel GuttenberG (UBS HEDEGE FUND FRAUDS), James Andrews Grant (SIRC), JIMMY HOFFAJUNIOR (TEAMSTERS), SADDAM HUSSEIN (deceased), THEODORE "TED" KACZYNSKI (unabomber), thomas kean (9/11 commission), john lehman (9/11 commission), Thomas W. Malone, david marcus (9/11 commission), Joseph mASSIN0 (BONANNO CRIME FAMILY, la cosa nostra, First Liberty Investment Group Inc), Mike McCormick (FAA), John F. McDonnell, KHALiD SHEIKH MOHAMMED (central intelligence agency), JOSEPH Noviello (cantor fitzgerald), LEON PANETTA (at&t secure telephony), TONGSUN PARK (LIPPO GROUP), Pete Peterson(CFR), John Prater (ALPA), VITO RIZUTTO (RIZUTTO CRIME FAMILY), JAy rockefeller (us senate intelligence committee),steven rockefeller, tim roemer (9/11 commission), Richard L. Sandor, IRA SOCOWITZ, james r thompson (9/11 commission, hollinger), the right honourable PIERRE ELLIOT TRUDEAU (DECEASED, Front de Liberation du Québec), BRUCE USHER, WALTER B.WRISTON (CAI), RAMZi YOUSEF (al-qaeda, iraq intelligence services), Mike S. Zafirovski (boeing), philip zelikow (9/11 commission)"

Wat is je bron eigenlijk?

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Ik heb nog altijd geen antwoord gekregen op mijn aller eerste vraag!!!

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door IlluSionS667

Incorrect. De overgrote meerderheid van de historici erkent dat er geen geloofwaardige aanwijzing is dat Hitler ook maar enigszins betrokken was bij die brand. Over wie er wel achter zou zitten, is evenmin consensus. Sommigen vermoeden dat Van der Lubbe het in zijn eentje heeft gedaan, terwijl anderen een communistisch complot vermoeden (wat overeenkomt met de beschuldiging van de NSDAP). Ook wordt soms geöpperd dat Goebbels, Göring of de SA erachter zouden zitten, zonder medeweten van Hitler. Kortom : niemand schijnt het echt te weten, maar Hitler's betrokkenheid is onwaarschijnlijk.

Er zijn wel sterke aanwijzingen hoor, ik heb de feiten bekeken en ik vind dat er toch wel voldoende feiten aanwijzen dat het opgezet spel was.

Jij verwijt ons dat we slaafs Icke of Alex Jones volgen, maar als het over Hitler gaat kan jij ook niet veel kwaad spreken.

[Griffin]

Tijd voor een full-scale reconstructie van de feiten.