1 Jaar Obama - Pagina 2

hotschizodiscocop · 2 december 2009, 15:54

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

Hoe zit het eigenlijk met de patriot act?

Don't ask don't tell

Zeikstraal · 2 december 2009, 15:59

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Gun

Hoe zit het eigenlijk met de patriot act?

Is verlengd en wil toevoegingen doorvoeren. Of die er al door zijn, weet ik niet meer precies. En of het daar bij ophoud, wie zal het zeggen.

Zeikstraal · 2 december 2009, 16:13

Volledig eens

NY Times

Afghanistan: The Betrayal
Garry Wills

US soldiers at the Camp Phoenix base observing a moment of silence during Barack Obama’s inauguration, Kabul, January 20, 2009 (Musadeq Sadeq/AP Images)I did not think he would lose me so soon—sooner than Bill Clinton did. Like many people, I was deeply invested in the success of our first African-American president. I had written op-ed pieces and articles to support him in The New York Times and The New York Review of Books. My wife and I had maxed out in donations for him. Our children had been ardent for his cause.

Others I respect have given up on him before now. I can see why. His backtracking on the treatment of torture (and photographs of torture), his hesitation to give up on rendition, on detentions, on military commissions, and on signing statements, are disheartening continuations of George W. Bush’s heritage. But I kept hoping that he was using these concessions to buy leeway for his most important position, for the ground on which his presidential bid was predicated.

There was only one thing that brought him to the attention of the nation as a future president. It was opposition to the Iraq war. None of his serious rivals for the Democratic nomination had that credential—not Hillary Clinton, not Joseph Biden, not John Edwards. It set him apart. He put in clarion terms the truth about that war—that it was a dumb war, that it went after an enemy where he was not hiding, that it had no indigenous base of support, that it had no sensible goal and no foreseeable cutoff point.

He said that he would not oppose war in general, but dumb wars. On that basis, we went for him. And now he betrays us. Although he talked of a larger commitment to Afghanistan during his campaign, he has now officially adopted his very own war, one with all the disqualifications that he attacked in the Iraq engagement. This war too is a dumb one. It has even less indigenous props than Iraq did.

Iraq at least had a functioning government (though a tyrannical one). The Afghanistan government that replaced the Taliban is not only corrupt but ineffectual. The country is riven by tribal war, Islamic militancy, and warlordism, and fueled by a drug economy —interrupting the drug industry will destabilize what order there is and increase hostility to us.

We have been in Afghanistan for eight years, earning hatred as occupiers, and after this record for longevity in American wars we will be there for still more years earning even more hatred. It gives us not another Iraq but another Vietnam, with wobbly rulers and an alien culture.

Although Obama says he plans to begin withdrawal from Afghanistan in July 2011, he will meanwhile be sending there not only soldiers but the contract employees that cling about us now like camp followers, corrupt adjuncts in perpetuity. Obama did not mention these plagues that now equal the number of military personnel we dispatch. We are sending off thousands of people to take and give bribes to drug dealers in Afghanistan.

If we had wanted Bush’s wars, and contractors, and corruption, we could have voted for John McCain. At least we would have seen our foe facing us, not felt him at our back, as now we do. The Republicans are given a great boon by this new war. They can use its cost to say that domestic needs are too expensive to be met—health care, education, infrastructure. They can say that military recruitments from the poor make job creation unnecessary. They can call it Obama’s war when it is really theirs. They can attack it and support it at the same time, with equal advantage.

I cannot vote for any Republican. But Obama will not get another penny from me, or another word of praise, after this betrayal. And in all this I know that my disappointment does not matter. What really matters are the lives of the young men and women he is sending off to senseless deaths.

Zeikstraal · 2 december 2009, 16:35

Cnn frontpage. Subliminal messages

Ik ga akkoord met het rechtse onderaan:

Use time better

Zeikstraal · 2 december 2009, 20:17

Kucinich: Afghans want to be saved from us, not by us

Ze beginnen het licht te zien zenne, in den amerique

D'ARTOIS · 2 december 2009, 20:28

Amerikanen blijven Amerikanen. 14 triljpen schuld? De VS overheid betaalt nooit en never een rekening, tenzij omstandigheden dat nodig maken.
De huidige crisis is er een direct gevolg van: Europese/Aziatische banken leenden geld aan die van de VS totdat duidelijk werd welke fraude hier achter zat. Nu krijgt niemand meer wat, moeten lokale overheden bijpassen om de briljante misslagen van de EU bankiers goed te maken. Die natuurlijk aan alle kanten hun porties gekregen hebben.

D'ARTOIS · 2 december 2009, 22:07

@Gun

Jij hebt norma liter toch altijd een wat ruimere vocabulaire bij de hand. Ik probeer sinds het aantreden van Obama zijn ware bedoelingen te ontcijferen.
Dat lukt me niet.
Ik dacht dat Hilary Clinton een sterke politica zou zijn met een uitgesproken mening - ook dat traject is in het geheel niet uitgekomen als zijnde een stukje realiteit. In de VS ziet men de hedendaagse politieke werkelijheid niket meer.
Of zie ik het verkeerd?

Zeikstraal · 3 december 2009, 02:44

Waarom is deze heer geen President bvb?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtlME2Ef_vA

2 december 2009, 16:35	#24
Zeikstraal Banneling Geregistreerd: 6 augustus 2009 Berichten: 2.798	Cnn frontpage. Subliminal messages Ik ga akkoord met het rechtse onderaan: Use time better Laatst gewijzigd door Zeikstraal : 2 december 2009 om 16:36.

2 december 2009, 20:28	#26
D'ARTOIS Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 2 januari 2006 Berichten: 11.569	Amerikanen blijven Amerikanen. 14 triljpen schuld? De VS overheid betaalt nooit en never een rekening, tenzij omstandigheden dat nodig maken. De huidige crisis is er een direct gevolg van: Europese/Aziatische banken leenden geld aan die van de VS totdat duidelijk werd welke fraude hier achter zat. Nu krijgt niemand meer wat, moeten lokale overheden bijpassen om de briljante misslagen van de EU bankiers goed te maken. Die natuurlijk aan alle kanten hun porties gekregen hebben. __________________ Brussel regeert, Brussel dicteert, de burger gireert. Ondertussen neemt de Euroscepsis hand over hand toe.

2 december 2009, 22:07	#27
D'ARTOIS Perm. Vertegenwoordiger VN Geregistreerd: 2 januari 2006 Berichten: 11.569	@Gun Jij hebt norma liter toch altijd een wat ruimere vocabulaire bij de hand. Ik probeer sinds het aantreden van Obama zijn ware bedoelingen te ontcijferen. Dat lukt me niet. Ik dacht dat Hilary Clinton een sterke politica zou zijn met een uitgesproken mening - ook dat traject is in het geheel niet uitgekomen als zijnde een stukje realiteit. In de VS ziet men de hedendaagse politieke werkelijheid niket meer. Of zie ik het verkeerd? __________________ Brussel regeert, Brussel dicteert, de burger gireert. Ondertussen neemt de Euroscepsis hand over hand toe.

2 december 2009, 16:13	#23
Zeikstraal Banneling Geregistreerd: 6 augustus 2009 Berichten: 2.798	Volledig eens NY Times Afghanistan: The Betrayal Garry Wills US soldiers at the Camp Phoenix base observing a moment of silence during Barack Obama’s inauguration, Kabul, January 20, 2009 (Musadeq Sadeq/AP Images)I did not think he would lose me so soon—sooner than Bill Clinton did. Like many people, I was deeply invested in the success of our first African-American president. I had written op-ed pieces and articles to support him in The New York Times and The New York Review of Books. My wife and I had maxed out in donations for him. Our children had been ardent for his cause. Others I respect have given up on him before now. I can see why. His backtracking on the treatment of torture (and photographs of torture), his hesitation to give up on rendition, on detentions, on military commissions, and on signing statements, are disheartening continuations of George W. Bush’s heritage. But I kept hoping that he was using these concessions to buy leeway for his most important position, for the ground on which his presidential bid was predicated. There was only one thing that brought him to the attention of the nation as a future president. It was opposition to the Iraq war. None of his serious rivals for the Democratic nomination had that credential—not Hillary Clinton, not Joseph Biden, not John Edwards. It set him apart. He put in clarion terms the truth about that war—that it was a dumb war, that it went after an enemy where he was not hiding, that it had no indigenous base of support, that it had no sensible goal and no foreseeable cutoff point. He said that he would not oppose war in general, but dumb wars. On that basis, we went for him. And now he betrays us. Although he talked of a larger commitment to Afghanistan during his campaign, he has now officially adopted his very own war, one with all the disqualifications that he attacked in the Iraq engagement. This war too is a dumb one. It has even less indigenous props than Iraq did. Iraq at least had a functioning government (though a tyrannical one). The Afghanistan government that replaced the Taliban is not only corrupt but ineffectual. The country is riven by tribal war, Islamic militancy, and warlordism, and fueled by a drug economy —interrupting the drug industry will destabilize what order there is and increase hostility to us. We have been in Afghanistan for eight years, earning hatred as occupiers, and after this record for longevity in American wars we will be there for still more years earning even more hatred. It gives us not another Iraq but another Vietnam, with wobbly rulers and an alien culture. Although Obama says he plans to begin withdrawal from Afghanistan in July 2011, he will meanwhile be sending there not only soldiers but the contract employees that cling about us now like camp followers, corrupt adjuncts in perpetuity. Obama did not mention these plagues that now equal the number of military personnel we dispatch. We are sending off thousands of people to take and give bribes to drug dealers in Afghanistan. If we had wanted Bush’s wars, and contractors, and corruption, we could have voted for John McCain. At least we would have seen our foe facing us, not felt him at our back, as now we do. The Republicans are given a great boon by this new war. They can use its cost to say that domestic needs are too expensive to be met—health care, education, infrastructure. They can say that military recruitments from the poor make job creation unnecessary. They can call it Obama’s war when it is really theirs. They can attack it and support it at the same time, with equal advantage. I cannot vote for any Republican. But Obama will not get another penny from me, or another word of praise, after this betrayal. And in all this I know that my disappointment does not matter. What really matters are the lives of the young men and women he is sending off to senseless deaths.

2 december 2009, 20:17	#25
Zeikstraal Banneling Geregistreerd: 6 augustus 2009 Berichten: 2.798	Kucinich: Afghans want to be saved from us, not by us Ze beginnen het licht te zien zenne, in den amerique

3 december 2009, 02:44	#28
Zeikstraal Banneling Geregistreerd: 6 augustus 2009 Berichten: 2.798	Waarom is deze heer geen President bvb? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtlME2Ef_vA