The Future Of Belgium - Pagina 3

van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:09

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I think it's time to start an English speaking topic on "politics.be" about the future of the small state Belgium.

According to different opinion polls, 80 to 90% of all Belgians desire to keep the country, some of them wanting to create again a united Belgium with one government and one parliament for the whole nation instead of the six governments and parliaments we have today.

10 important questions:

1) Is the democratic argument important to you?
2) Need there be a referendum?
3) Does multilinguism in a state have an added value?
4)What about other countries in the world that are multilingual, like Spain, Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada, the USA...? Split them up or unite them? What about the multilingual European Union (20 languages today)?
5) What about the differences between the Belgian provinces?
6) What about the differences between North and South-England, the North and the South of Italy or between Ile de France and Brittany or the Alps region?
7) Has federalism a future?
8) Does the north of Belgium need a strong South just as the West of Germany needs a strong East?
9) Why do the Germans accept three times more transfers to the East than some Dutch speaking Belgians to the South?
10) If federalism for Belgium is a mistake, which reasonable argument does exist to prevent that mistake from being corrected?

Hahaha, just when we thought Hans couldn't sink ANY lower!
Ah well, let us play along with him for once...
1) Is the democratic argument important to you?
Can you define your idea of democracy?

2) Need there be a referendum?
About belgium? About an inderpendant Flanders? Of course, then we can stop bickering, and you will finally realise what people really think.

3) Does multilinguism in a state have an added value?
Perhaps, perhaps not. If every language is respected, then is does. This is not the case in belgium, however.

4)What about other countries in the world that are multilingual, like Spain, Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada, the USA...? Split them up or unite them? What about the multilingual European Union (20 languages today)?
What business is that of ours? We do not live there, we live in Belgium, and only need to solve our own problems. If you care about other countries that much, why don't you run for the European parliament?

5) What about the differences between the Belgian provinces?
Name a few, then we can solve them one at a time.

6) What about the differences between North and South-England, the North and the South of Italy or between Ile de France and Brittany or the Alps region?
Answer 4.

7) Has federalism a future?
Confederalism does.
8. Does the north of Belgium need a strong South just as the West of Germany needs a strong East?
Not at all. We do not need them. We have a strong economy, and they only drag us down with them.
9) Why do the Germans accept three times more transfers to the East than some Dutch speaking Belgians to the South?
This is a lie. Independant research learns us that Flanders pays more to the south than Western Germany to the East.

10) If federalism for Belgium is a mistake, which reasonable argument does exist to prevent that mistake from being corrected?
It is not a mistake, so we don't need to discuss it.

van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:10

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Het is een ook een goede manier, om je kennis van het Engels te verbeteren.

Tja, ik wil hem enkel helpen.

Hans1 · 11 september 2005, 16:24

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1) Is the democratic argument important to you?
Very important

Well then, do you accept the 90%-majority against the end of Belgium?

The pro-Belgian argument is in fact an emotional argument. Politics shouldn't always follow emotional feelings of the public. For me, belgium should not be split up if the walloon politicians would behave.

The pro-Flemish argument is in fact an emotional argument. Are you against democracy now?

Belgium doesn't need politicians for Flanders and Wallonia, it needs politicians for Belgium only.

2) Need there be a referendum?
A referendum will be impossible, because the politicians won't be able to agree about the way the question is posed.

This is not an answer to the question. Besides, there was a referendum in 1950, so it's possible.

You can't compare the referendum of 1950 with a referendum now about splitting belgium. It' s another question, and the question is what the question would be

That is another question. My question was if you want a referendum about the future state structure of Belgium, e.g.: unitarism, unionfederalism, federalism, confederalism or separatism. If a majority cannot be reached for one of these proposals, at least the politicians will know which way to follow approximately or where to work on.

3) Does multilinguism in a state have an added value?
Yes very much. Flemish people are known for their multilinguism. Walloon people are known as French speaking. Flanders is a multilingual state, Walloon is unilingual.

Flemish people are knowing less and less foreign languages. French speaking more and more. Time to wake up, man.

Blablabla, hans.

For you, reality is bla bla. Listen to the companies in the north that cry for multilingual personnel and change your mind.

Besides, this was a question about the multilingual character of the Belgian state, just as the European Union and you didn't answer it.

I did answer. Ask better questions then. You can't speak of a multilingual Belgian state, because only one part of the country is multilingual.

You don't understand. The federal state is officially trilingual. Is this an enrichment or not?

4)What about other countries in the world that are multilingual, like Spain, Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada, the USA...? These are federal countries, that do not need to be be split up.

Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada and the USA are perhaps federal but not on a linguistic basis. So, there is no link. Do I have to conclude from your answer that since Belgium is federal too, the country doesn't have to be split up?

You can't compare countries. That is stupid. Like you can't compare people. Our histories are different. Each country has to make it's own mind up.

Why then the flamingants are always comparing Belgium to Chechoslovakia?

5) What about the differences between the Belgian provinces? Difference is beautiful.

Well, what are you complaining about differences between the north and the south of Belgium?

It is well-known that Belgium has a Germanic part and a Romanic part. That's even thaught at scool! The biggest problem is the mentality of a certain Walloon political party.

It is well known that Belgium has provinces. That's even taught at school ! The biggest problem is the mentality of the flamingants who don't want to admit that there exists an alternative to the actual federalism.

6) What about the differences between North and South-England, the North and the South of Italy or between Ile de France and Brittany or the Alps region? Very nice indeed.
Can't compare, so isn't relevant.
Same reply.

So, never compare Belgium to an other country again and please correct other flamingants who do so. And they often do this.

7) Has federalism a future?

Flanders has a future and Walloon has a future, as far as the second doesn't vegetate on the first.

Belgium has a future as far as we can get rid of flamingant and wallingant politicians.

You didn't answer this one.

Does the north of Belgium need a strong South just as the West of Germany needs a strong East? Yes indeed. Fine.

Unfortunately, the South of Belgium has a very corrupt state economy,

it's no state, the state is Belgium.

It's not in the words, it's in the meaning. You must see the facts.

Too easy, man. I want a concrete answer. My facts are different from yours.

that spoils all of the money given to it by Flanders and Europe.

All the money? Aren't you exaggerating ?
Ok then, most of the money . No walloon is getting better from the PS-policy, except the PS-politicians.

Well, why don't you support an other party in the south of Belgium? But it should be a national party because you live in the north. So, the B.U.B. is the only alternative for the south you can support.

There will have to be a change in politics before there can be a change in economy in Walloon.

There is a change in politics now and the B.U.B. can bring about much more change. The parties of the north of Belgium cannot not because they o not participate in the elections in the south.

9) Why do the Germans accept three times more transfers to the East than some Dutch speaking Belgians to the South? Because their money is well spent!!

There is still 18% unemployment in East-Germany. Well-spent?
In Walloon 40% of the "working" class works for government.

In Flanders 30% and it is increasing. That is still a lot. What are you going to do about it?

Then there are lots of factories that survive on government money.

Less and less. Which ones are left? If a government owns shares of a company, this is an investment, not a government intervention.

This is much worse than 18% unemployment. German money is thus better spent.

Wrong, there is also 18% of unemployment in the south of Belgium.

In walloon, the money disappears in a PS-state economy.

You love generalizations and caricatures.
You love the Belgian caricature.

Explain. I am a unitarist.

It is no longer affordable, especially with the globalising world economy.

To split a small country?
Small is beautiful, so flanders is more beautiful than belgium.
Splitting is better, because then the walloons will have to make a real economy. Now they live in a false certainty of financial transfers.

That's your taste, not mine. Besides, it shouldn't be beautiful. It should be efficient for everybody. Belgium has more economic chances on the world stage than half of the country alone.

The PS-state is the bankrupcy of Walloon, Belgium and in the end also Flanders.

Well, vote B.U.B. then. I thought that the flamingants wanted a strong south (Leterme). Do you disagree with them? If Belgium splits, there won't be a strong south.

Totally wrong. If belgium splits, walloon will have the money they really earn. It will be a though time, but then we will be able to help them instead of pampering them as we do right now.

So, if you don't give money to a poor to start a business, he will become rich by himself. I never heard such a stupid thing. What you want to say is: let's get rid of them and let them starve. But that is exactly the problem: the north needs a rich south because it is its market. The Germans have understood that because they give three times more to their East.

10) If federalism for Belgium is a mistake, which reasonable argument does exist to prevent that mistake from being corrected? It is not a mistake.

Why not? Because of DHL and Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde?
[b]DHL and BHV only show that work is not done yet.
But it is not yet perfect. It will be in a couple of years, decennia.

What do you mean by the work is not done? Do you favour federalism, now? I admit being a bit confused because you're constantly changing your mind.

Dear hans, if this is your niveau I wonder if you'll ever win a case as an advocate or attorney. My god!

We have seen that. [edit]
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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Henry

1) Is the democratic argument important to you?
Very important

Well then, do you accept the 90%-majority against the end of Belgium?

The pro-Belgian argument is in fact an emotional argument. Politics shouldn't always follow emotional feelings of the public. For me, belgium should not be split up if the walloon politicians would behave.

The pro-Flemish argument is in fact an emotional argument. Are you against democracy now?

Belgium doesn't need politicians for Flanders and Wallonia, it needs politicians for Belgium only.

2) Need there be a referendum?
A referendum will be impossible, because the politicians won't be able to agree about the way the question is posed.

This is not an answer to the question. Besides, there was a referendum in 1950, so it's possible.

You can't compare the referendum of 1950 with a referendum now about splitting belgium. It' s another question, and the question is what the question would be

That is another question. My question was if you want a referendum about the future state structure of Belgium, e.g.: unitarism, unionfederalism, federalism, confederalism or separatism. If a majority cannot be reached for one of these proposals, at least the politicians will know which way to follow approximately or where to work on.

3) Does multilinguism in a state have an added value?
Yes very much. Flemish people are known for their multilinguism. Walloon people are known as French speaking. Flanders is a multilingual state, Walloon is unilingual.

Flemish people are knowing less and less foreign languages. French speaking more and more. Time to wake up, man.

Blablabla, hans.

For you, reality is bla bla. Listen to the companies in the north that cry for multilingual personnel and change your mind.

Besides, this was a question about the multilingual character of the Belgian state, just as the European Union and you didn't answer it.

I did answer. Ask better questions then. You can't speak of a multilingual Belgian state, because only one part of the country is multilingual.

You don't understand. The federal state is officially trilingual. Is this an enrichment or not?

4)What about other countries in the world that are multilingual, like Spain, Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada, the USA...? These are federal countries, that do not need to be be split up.

Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada and the USA are perhaps federal but not on a linguistic basis. So, there is no link. Do I have to conclude from your answer that since Belgium is federal too, the country doesn't have to be split up?

You can't compare countries. That is stupid. Like you can't compare people. Our histories are different. Each country has to make it's own mind up.

Why then the flamingants are always comparing Belgium to Chechoslovakia?

5) What about the differences between the Belgian provinces? Difference is beautiful.

Well, what are you complaining about differences between the north and the south of Belgium?

It is well-known that Belgium has a Germanic part and a Romanic part. That's even thaught at scool! The biggest problem is the mentality of a certain Walloon political party.

It is well known that Belgium has provinces. That's even taught at school ! The biggest problem is the mentality of the flamingants who don't want to admit that there exists an alternative to the actual federalism.

6) What about the differences between North and South-England, the North and the South of Italy or between Ile de France and Brittany or the Alps region? Very nice indeed.
Can't compare, so isn't relevant.
Same reply.

So, never compare Belgium to an other country again and please correct other flamingants who do so. And they often do this.

7) Has federalism a future?

Flanders has a future and Walloon has a future, as far as the second doesn't vegetate on the first.

Belgium has a future as far as we can get rid of flamingant and wallingant politicians.

You didn't answer this one.

Does the north of Belgium need a strong South just as the West of Germany needs a strong East? Yes indeed. Fine.

Unfortunately, the South of Belgium has a very corrupt state economy,

it's no state, the state is Belgium.

It's not in the words, it's in the meaning. You must see the facts.

Too easy, man. I want a concrete answer. My facts are different from yours.

that spoils all of the money given to it by Flanders and Europe.

All the money? Aren't you exaggerating ?
Ok then, most of the money . No walloon is getting better from the PS-policy, except the PS-politicians.

Well, why don't you support an other party in the south of Belgium? But it should be a national party because you live in the north. So, the B.U.B. is the only alternative for the south you can support.

There will have to be a change in politics before there can be a change in economy in Walloon.

There is a change in politics now and the B.U.B. can bring about much more change. The parties of the north of Belgium cannot not because they o not participate in the elections in the south.

9) Why do the Germans accept three times more transfers to the East than some Dutch speaking Belgians to the South? Because their money is well spent!!

There is still 18% unemployment in East-Germany. Well-spent?
In Walloon 40% of the "working" class works for government.

In Flanders 30% and it is increasing. That is still a lot. What are you going to do about it?

Then there are lots of factories that survive on government money.

Less and less. Which ones are left? If a government owns shares of a company, this is an investment, not a government intervention.

This is much worse than 18% unemployment. German money is thus better spent.

Wrong, there is also 18% of unemployment in the south of Belgium.

In walloon, the money disappears in a PS-state economy.

You love generalizations and caricatures.
You love the Belgian caricature.

Explain. I am a unitarist.

It is no longer affordable, especially with the globalising world economy.

To split a small country?
Small is beautiful, so flanders is more beautiful than belgium.
Splitting is better, because then the walloons will have to make a real economy. Now they live in a false certainty of financial transfers.

That's your taste, not mine. Besides, it shouldn't be beautiful. It should be efficient for everybody. Belgium has more economic chances on the world stage than half of the country alone.

The PS-state is the bankrupcy of Walloon, Belgium and in the end also Flanders.

Well, vote B.U.B. then. I thought that the flamingants wanted a strong south (Leterme). Do you disagree with them? If Belgium splits, there won't be a strong south.

Totally wrong. If belgium splits, walloon will have the money they really earn. It will be a though time, but then we will be able to help them instead of pampering them as we do right now.

So, if you don't give money to a poor to start a business, he will become rich by himself. I never heard such a stupid thing. What you want to say is: let's get rid of them and let them starve. But that is exactly the problem: the north needs a rich south because it is its market. The Germans have understood that because they give three times more to their East.

10) If federalism for Belgium is a mistake, which reasonable argument does exist to prevent that mistake from being corrected? It is not a mistake.

Why not? Because of DHL and Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde?
[b]DHL and BHV only show that work is not done yet.
But it is not yet perfect. It will be in a couple of years, decennia.

What do you mean by the work is not done? Do you favour federalism, now? I admit being a bit confused because you're constantly changing your mind.

Dear hans, if this is your niveau I wonder if you'll ever win a case as an advocate or attorney. My god!

We have seen that. [/size]

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Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Henry

1) Is the democratic argument important to you?
Very important

Well then, do you accept the 90%-majority against the end of Belgium?

The pro-Belgian argument is in fact an emotional argument. Politics shouldn't always follow emotional feelings of the public. For me, belgium should not be split up if the walloon politicians would behave.

The pro-Flemish argument is in fact an emotional argument. Are you against democracy now?

Belgium doesn't need politicians for Flanders and Wallonia, it needs politicians for Belgium only.

2) Need there be a referendum?
A referendum will be impossible, because the politicians won't be able to agree about the way the question is posed.

This is not an answer to the question. Besides, there was a referendum in 1950, so it's possible.

You can't compare the referendum of 1950 with a referendum now about splitting belgium. It' s another question, and the question is what the question would be

That is another question. My question was if you want a referendum about the future state structure of Belgium, e.g.: unitarism, unionfederalism, federalism, confederalism or separatism. If a majority cannot be reached for one of these proposals, at least the politicians will know which way to follow approximately or where to work on.

3) Does multilinguism in a state have an added value?
Yes very much. Flemish people are known for their multilinguism. Walloon people are known as French speaking. Flanders is a multilingual state, Walloon is unilingual.

Flemish people are knowing less and less foreign languages. French speaking more and more. Time to wake up, man.

Blablabla, hans.

For you, reality is bla bla. Listen to the companies in the north that cry for multilingual personnel and change your mind.

Besides, this was a question about the multilingual character of the Belgian state, just as the European Union and you didn't answer it.

I did answer. Ask better questions then. You can't speak of a multilingual Belgian state, because only one part of the country is multilingual.

You don't understand. The federal state is officially trilingual. Is this an enrichment or not?

4)What about other countries in the world that are multilingual, like Spain, Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada, the USA...? These are federal countries, that do not need to be be split up.

Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada and the USA are perhaps federal but not on a linguistic basis. So, there is no link. Do I have to conclude from your answer that since Belgium is federal too, the country doesn't have to be split up?

You can't compare countries. That is stupid. Like you can't compare people. Our histories are different. Each country has to make it's own mind up.

Why then the flamingants are always comparing Belgium to Chechoslovakia?

5) What about the differences between the Belgian provinces? Difference is beautiful.

Well, what are you complaining about differences between the north and the south of Belgium?

It is well-known that Belgium has a Germanic part and a Romanic part. That's even thaught at scool! The biggest problem is the mentality of a certain Walloon political party.

It is well known that Belgium has provinces. That's even taught at school ! The biggest problem is the mentality of the flamingants who don't want to admit that there exists an alternative to the actual federalism.

6) What about the differences between North and South-England, the North and the South of Italy or between Ile de France and Brittany or the Alps region? Very nice indeed.
Can't compare, so isn't relevant.
Same reply.

So, never compare Belgium to an other country again and please correct other flamingants who do so. And they do this often.

7) Has federalism a future?

Flanders has a future and Walloon has a future, as far as the second doesn't vegetate on the first.

Belgium has a future as far as we can get rid of flamingant and wallingant politicians.

You didn't answer this one.

Does the north of Belgium need a strong South just as the West of Germany needs a strong East? Yes indeed. Fine.

Unfortunately, the South of Belgium has a very corrupt state economy,

it's no state, the state is Belgium.

It's not in the words, it's in the meaning. You must see the facts.

Too easy, man. I want a concrete answer. My facts are different from yours.

that spoils all of the money given to it by Flanders and Europe.

All the money? Aren't you exaggerating ?
Ok then, most of the money . No walloon is getting better from the PS-policy, except the PS-politicians.

Well, why don't you support an other party in the south of Belgium? But it should be a national party because you live in the north. So, the B.U.B. is the only alternative for the south you can support.

There will have to be a change in politics before there can be a change in economy in Walloon.

There is a change in politics now and the B.U.B. can bring about much more change. The parties of the north of Belgium cannot not because they o not participate in the elections in the south.

9) Why do the Germans accept three times more transfers to the East than some Dutch speaking Belgians to the South? Because their money is well spent!!

There is still 18% unemployment in East-Germany. Well-spent?
In Walloon 40% of the "working" class works for government.

In Flanders 30% and it is increasing. That is still a lot. What are you going to do about it?

Then there are lots of factories that survive on government money.

Less and less. Which ones are left? If a government owns shares of a company, this is an investment, not a government intervention.

This is much worse than 18% unemployment. German money is thus better spent.

Wrong, there is also 18% of unemployment in the south of Belgium.

In walloon, the money disappears in a PS-state economy.

You love generalizations and caricatures.
You love the Belgian caricature.

Explain. I am a unitarist.

It is no longer affordable, especially with the globalising world economy.

To split a small country?
Small is beautiful, so flanders is more beautiful than belgium.
Splitting is better, because then the walloons will have to make a real economy. Now they live in a false certainty of financial transfers.

That's your taste, not mine. Besides, it shouldn't be beautiful. It should be efficient for everybody. Belgium has more economic chances on the world stage than a half of the country alone.

The PS-state is the bankrupcy of Walloon, Belgium and in the end also Flanders.

Well, vote B.U.B. then. I thought that the flamingants wanted a strong south (Leterme). Do you disagree with them? If Belgium splits, there won't be a strong south.

Totally wrong. If belgium splits, walloon will have the money they really earn. It will be a though time, but then we will be able to help them instead of pampering them as we do right now.

So, if you don't give money to a poor to start a business, he will become rich by himself. I never heard such a stupid thing. What you want to say is: let's get rid of them and them starve. But that is exactly the problem: the north needs a rich south because it is its market. The Germans have understood that because they give three times more to their East.

10) If federalism for Belgium is a mistake, which reasonable argument does exist to prevent that mistake from being corrected? It is not a mistake.

Why not? Because of DHL and Brussels-Halle-Vilvoorde?
[b]DHL and BHV only show that work is not done yet.
But it is not yet perfect. It will be in a couple of years, decennia.

What do you mean by the work is not done? Do you favour federalism, now? I admit being a bit confused because you're constantly changing your mind.

Dear hans, if this is your niveau I wonder if you'll ever win a case as an advocate or attorney. My god!

We have seen that. [/size]

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van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:25

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We have seen that.

Dat is nu eens echt 'nederlands engels', zie.

Hans1 · 11 september 2005, 16:28

And you could express this better? Thanks for your fantastic reply, by the way. Are you flamingant?

van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:29

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And you could express this better? Thanks for your fantastic reply, by the way. Are you flamingant?

Well, well, hans (from the parochiestraat) doesn't know who I am?
And we have shared so many good times, my old friend![edit]
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And you could express this better? Thanks for your fantastic reply, by the way. Are you flamingant?

Well, well, hans (from the parochiestraat) doesn't know who I am?
And we have shared so many good times, my old friend![/size]

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And you could express this better? Thanks for your fantastic reply, by the way. Are you flamingant?

Well, well, hans doesn't know who I am?
And we have shared so many good times, my old friend![/size]

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And you could express this better? Thanks for your fantastic reply, by the way. Are you flamingant?

Well, well, hans doesnt know who I am?
And we have shared so many good times, my old friend![/size]

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sinan123 · 11 september 2005, 16:36

Hans klinkt echt stoer in het Engels btw.

van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:36

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Hans klinkt echt stoer in het Engels btw.

Ja, precies Vin Diesel.
Of Rambo.

Hans1 · 11 september 2005, 16:38

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Hahaha, just when we thought Hans couldn't sink ANY lower!
Ah well, let us play along with him for once...
1) Is the democratic argument important to you?
Can you define your idea of democracy?

The will of the majority, not only in elections, also in opinion polls.

2) Need there be a referendum?
About belgium? About an inderpendant Flanders? Of course, then we can stop bickering, and you will finally realise what people really think.

Great !

3) Does multilinguism in a state have an added value?
Perhaps, perhaps not. If every language is respected, then is does. This is not the case in belgium, however.

What a bullshit. There is no country in the world where the linguistic statutes are so elaborated and so well observed as in Belgium. Compare this to the USA and you see an enormous difference.

4)What about other countries in the world that are multilingual, like Spain, Switzerland, South-Africa, Canada, the USA...? Split them up or unite them? What about the multilingual European Union (20 languages today)?
What business is that of ours? We do not live there, we live in Belgium, and only need to solve our own problems. If you care about other countries that much, why don't you run for the European parliament?

Chechoslavakia? Ok, not important.

5) What about the differences between the Belgian provinces?
Name a few, then we can solve them one at a time.

Limburg, West-Flanders, Antwerp, Brabant, Liège (9 of them, you learned them at school).

The economic and natural differences between Limburg and Antwerp and West-Flanders are patent. In the whole of Brabant, the income of the people is the same. So, treat them as being the same.

6) What about the differences between North and South-England, the North and the South of Italy or between Ile de France and Brittany or the Alps region?
Answer 4.

Ok, I won't forget this answer. I hope you won't either.

7) Has federalism a future?
Confederalism does.

Why? More disputes? More jammings?

8. Does the north of Belgium need a strong South just as the West of Germany needs a strong East?
Not at all. We do not need them. We have a strong economy, and they only drag us down with them.

That is not what your boss Leterme says. He wants a strong south. "You" also drag Limburg (if you don't live there of course, otherwise I can be dragging you).

9) Why do the Germans accept three times more transfers to the East than some Dutch speaking Belgians to the South?
This is a lie. Independant research learns us that Flanders pays more to the south than Western Germany to the East.

Which independent research? Names, please.

10) If federalism for Belgium is a mistake, which reasonable argument does exist to prevent that mistake from being corrected?
It is not a mistake, so we don't need to discuss it.

According to me, it is a big mistake and I want to discuss it. Sorry for you.

Hans1 · 11 september 2005, 16:45

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Well, well, hans (from the parochiestraat) doesn't know who I am?
And we have shared so many good times, my old friend!

Well, tell me who you are and send me a private message. Could be funny !

van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:46

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Well, tell me who you are and send me a private message. Could be funny !

You don't know me in person, hans. But I have often replied to your posts here on this forum.

Musketo · 11 september 2005, 16:48

Ik hoop maar dat jullie ervan bewust zijn dat de meesten onder jullie een belachelijk figuur slaan met dat doe-het-zelf-Engels. Ik zie hier trouwens echt het nut niet van in. Als je Engels wil horen, ga je maar naar een Vlaamse universiteit of zo.

van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:49

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Ik hoop maar dat jullie ervan bewust zijn dat de meesten onder jullie een belachelijk figuur slaan met dat doe-het-zelf-Engels. Ik zie hier trouwens echt het nut niet van in. Als je Engels wil horen, ga je maar naar een Vlaamse universiteit of zo.

Hee, we moeten hans toch wat steunen? It's lonely at the top, u know...

sinan123 · 11 september 2005, 16:51

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Ik hoop maar dat jullie ervan bewust zijn dat de meesten onder jullie een belachelijk figuur slaan met dat doe-het-zelf-Engels. Ik zie hier trouwens echt het nut niet van in. Als je Engels wil horen, ga je maar naar een Vlaamse universiteit of zo.

Als je een Engels subforum hebt, kunnen de mensen die zich eraan storen dat forum negeren en de mensen die het toch wel nuttig vinden om sommige discussie in het Engels (of doe-het-zelf-Engels) te houden daar posten.

Hans1 · 11 september 2005, 16:51

oh, you call that "replying"?

It was more scoffing and scolding, no?

van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:53

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oh, you call that "replying"?

It was more scoffing and scolding, no?

My dear hans, when are you going to learn that I only laugh at people who deserve it. Your postings are ridiculous, and filled to the brim with overwhelming love for the french language.

Hans1 · 11 september 2005, 16:54

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Ik hoop maar dat jullie ervan bewust zijn dat de meesten onder jullie een belachelijk figuur slaan met dat doe-het-zelf-Engels. Ik zie hier trouwens echt het nut niet van in. Als je Engels wil horen, ga je maar naar een Vlaamse universiteit of zo.

Don't be stupid. If you never use it, you will never speak it. By the way, I don't think that my English is so bad, although it's not perfect. However, who speaks perfectly Dutch here? We all make mistakes, even in our own language. So, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Hans1 · 11 september 2005, 16:55

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My dear hans, when are you going to learn that I only laugh at people who deserve it. Your postings are ridiculous, and filled to the brim with overwhelming love for the french language.

Give me some examples of that. I am really curious !

Musketo · 11 september 2005, 16:58

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Don't be stupid. If you never use it, you will never speak it. By the way, I don't think that my English is so bad, although it's not perfect. However, who speaks perfectly Dutch here? We all make mistakes, even in our own language. So, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Wat een zachtgekookte meisjespraat is me dit wel niet. Zelfs in de lezersbrievenafdeling van de Flair zou zoiets niet toegelaten worden.[edit]
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Don't be stupid. If you never use it, you will never speak it. By the way, I don't think that my English is so bad, although it's not perfect. However, who speaks perfectly Dutch here? We all make mistakes, even in our own language. So, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Wat een zachtgekookte meisjespraat is me dit wel niet. Zelfs in de lezersbrievenafdeling van de Flair zou zoiets niet toegelaten worden.[/size]

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Don't be stupid. If you never use it, you will never speak it. By the way, I don't think that my English is so bad, although it's not perfect. However, who speaks perfectly Dutch here? We all make mistakes, even in our own language. So, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Wat een zachtgekookte meisjespraat is me dit wel niet. Zelfs in lezersbrievenafdeling van de Flair zou zoiets niet toegelaten worden.[/size]

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van Maerlant · 11 september 2005, 16:58

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Give me some examples of that. I am really curious !

Why don't you ask your Paladin Bob? I'm sure he can give you loads of examples...

PS: Don't you love english? Now you no longer need to use the language of retarded peasants here.

11 september 2005, 16:28	#45
Hans1 Banneling Geregistreerd: 10 maart 2003 Locatie: BELGIE - BELGIQUE - BELGIEN - BELGIUM Berichten: 15.869	And you could express this better? Thanks for your fantastic reply, by the way. Are you flamingant?

11 september 2005, 16:36	#47
sinan123 Banneling Geregistreerd: 14 september 2004 Locatie: Rotterdam Berichten: 3.785	Hans klinkt echt stoer in het Engels btw.

11 september 2005, 16:48	#52
Musketo Banneling Geregistreerd: 18 september 2004 Locatie: Frankfurt Berichten: 5.408	Ik hoop maar dat jullie ervan bewust zijn dat de meesten onder jullie een belachelijk figuur slaan met dat doe-het-zelf-Engels. Ik zie hier trouwens echt het nut niet van in. Als je Engels wil horen, ga je maar naar een Vlaamse universiteit of zo.

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Hans1 Banneling Geregistreerd: 10 maart 2003 Locatie: BELGIE - BELGIQUE - BELGIEN - BELGIUM Berichten: 15.869	oh, you call that "replying"? It was more scoffing and scolding, no?