Het einde van het Kemalisme in Turkije lijkt nabij

[willem1940NLD]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door DEMOKRATOS

Wie is de vader van Ataturk? is deze bekend, voor zover ik weet, staat er niets in de geschiedenis boeken. De moeder is bekend, maar de vader is niet gekend. Kan iemand met argumenten, bv links mij de vader kenbaar maken. Ik hoor altijd over de moeder, maar de vader..... Ik wacht eerder op de Turkse collega's, die zullen mss de vader wel kennen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazi_Mu..._personal_life
Op verscheidene websites las ik dat Atatürks vader een Griekse Jood was en zijn moeder afkomstig uit Albanië; in de (uitsluitend Engelstalig voorhanden) Wiki staan de namen:

.... Atatürk was born in the then Ottoman city of Salonika (Turkish: Selânik, modern-day Thessaloniki, Greece) from Ali Rıza Efendi and Zübeyde Hanım. ....

Er waren toen 2 "moeilijke" kalenders doorelkaar in gebruik in Turkije en men (Atatürk) ging pas omstreeks 1925 omschakelen naar de Gregoriaanse kalender, tamelijke chaos in de Turkse Burgerlijke Stand. De exacte geboortedatum is omstreden, ergens tussen december 1880 en mei 1881 westerse kalender.

.... Birth date
Atatürk's last national identification

The exact birth date of Atatürk is not known. The confusion is more a reflection of the period rather than Atatürk, his family or other factors.

Ottoman Empire used the Hijri calendar and the Rumî calendar. Atatürk's birth date was recorded as Anno Hegirae:1296 with no sign whether this was based on the Rumî or Hijri calendar. It is widely accepted that the year is in Rumî calendar based on traditions. Part of the confusion originates because of the adaption of Gregorian calendar on 26 December 1925 as part of Atatürk's reforms. The Rumî 1296 lasted Gregorian 13 March 1880 to Gregorian 12 March 1881 depending on the day and month.[7]

Atatürk informed by his mother that he was born on a spring day. His younger sister Makbule Atadan informed by others that he was born in a stormy night. Faik Reşit Unat visited Zübeyde Hanım's neighbors at Salonika. He got contradictory responses. Some claimed that he was born on a spring day. Others claimed either January or February on a winter day. The acceptance of May 19 was originated from historian Reşit Saffet Atabinen. May 19 is the symbolic start of the Turkish Independence War. Atabinen linked his birth day to the start of the Independence War. He liked this gesture. There was a plan to establish a "Gazi" day. A teacher asked his birth date. Atatürk responded that he did not know his exact birth date. He suggested May 19. There are two ways to interpret this; the "Gregorian May 19 1881" is Rumî March 1 1297 and conflicted with the only recorded information, Rumî 1296. It is also possible to say "Rumi May 19 1296." Rumi May 19 1296 would be Gregorian 1880. Some sources ignore the day and month and print his birth day as Gregorian 1880/81.

1. Enver Behnan Şapolyo claimed that he was born on Gregorian December 23 1880.
2. Şevket Süreyya Aydemir claimed that he was born on Gregorian January 4 1881.
3. Muhtar Kumral claimed that he was born on Gregorian March 13 1881. He was the former head of the Mustafa Kemal association. He stated they used Makbule Atadan. The conversion Gregorian to Rumî puts the day on March 1 1297. The validity of the claim is in question as written record states Rumi 1296.[7]
4. Tevfik Rüştü Aras claimed that he was born between May 10 and May 20. He also stated that this information was shared with with Atatürk. He states Atatürk respond "why not May 19."

His last official Identity document (Turkish: Nüfus cüzdanı) do not include the day and month. The year 1881 is visible.[7] It is exhibited in Atatürk museum in Şişli.[7] The Republic of Turkey officially to the public and diplomatically to other countries announced May 19 1881 as his accepted birth day.[7] ....

[tomm]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Red_Dog

Zou zeer spijtig zijn, Turkije is het perfecte voorbeeld van een seculiere staat (Waar zelfs veel Westerse landen nog iets van kunnen leren).

Al ooit gehoord van de talloze militaire staatsgrepen, het vermoorden, vervolgen en verminken van kritische journalisten, linksen, Koerden, schrijvers, etc. dat jarenlang doorging en nu enigszins verminderd is, sinds AKP aan de macht kwam trouwens.