Opstandelingen in Libië werden niet gebombardeerd

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If you thought a uni-polar world based on American supremacy was a bad idea, what do you think of a planet modeled on Iranian justice?

Geen enkele Amerikaan te te zien in het volgende...

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says that Iran and India need to help spread justice in the world, as the pair share humane perspectives on international affairs.

Coming to a town near you?

US bashing ? Laat me niet lachen...

VIDEO

Dat staat een echte opstandeling te wachten... POLICE BOOT!


OFF TOPIC (Dixie)

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Enige bedenkingen ivm Irak/Libya. (Desinformatie/sat foto)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMRgn4-wG1c

(Niet off topic.)

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Waar of niet ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQaodZMkFl0

[Another Jack]

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Met BE wapentuig, dan nog wel. Spliksplinter nieuwe FAL's, waar geen krasje opzit, recht uit de kist...

Huh?
Spiksplinter nieuwe FAL's?

[poekieJ]

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Huh?
Spiksplinter nieuwe FAL's?

De FN FAL is een semi-automatisch wapen gemaakt door FN te Luik (of in één van de onderaannemingen). Schijnt zeer betrouwbaar én zeer accuraat te zijn.

[Another Jack]

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De FN FAL is een semi-automatisch wapen gemaakt door FN te Luik (of in één van de onderaannemingen). Schijnt zeer betrouwbaar én zeer accuraat te zijn.

25 jaar geleden ongetwijfeld!

[poekieJ]

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25 jaar geleden ongetwijfeld!

Het bestaat al zeer lang, en het is ondertussen ook al verouderd. Niettemin wordt het nog altijd geproduceerd en in erg veel landen gebruikt (mede om zijn acuraatheid en betrouwbaarheid).

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Maakt niet uit. De Colt 1911 bestaat ook nog steeds.

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Huh?
Spiksplinter nieuwe FAL's?

In goede bewaar verpakking, staat er geen vervaldatum op

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Een interview met Keith Harmon Snow (RT). De berichtgeving ivm Libië zou een psychologische operatie zijn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHEJ...layer_embedded

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Een interview met Keith Harmon Snow (RT). De berichtgeving ivm Libië zou een psychologische operatie zijn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoHEJ...layer_embedded

Die gast is zo gek als een achterdeur.

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Die gast is zo gek als een achterdeur.

Ik die gast eigenlijk niet.

Zijn interview is een beetje slordig verlopen (meer feiten, minder beweringen). Hij geeft me idd niet de beste indruk.

Well, so be it.

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Ik die gast eigenlijk niet.

Zijn interview is een beetje slordig verlopen (meer feiten, minder beweringen). Hij geeft me idd niet de beste indruk.

Well, so be it.

Eens dat die op dreef is....
http://politube.org/show/3077

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Eens dat die op dreef is....
http://politube.org/show/3077

Bedankt voor de video-link. Ga die zeker nog bekijken.

Ik heb op deze site genocide-in-libya-nato-invasion-under-way-its-the-oil-stupid/ het vernoemde interview weer teruggevonden en op deze site staat er een analyse bij die ik niet zomaar als onzin of gek kan beschouwen.

Enkel voorbeelden uit die tekst...


GENOCIDE IN LIBYA? NATO INVASION UNDER WAY. ITS THE OIL, STUPID. [EXPANDED AND UPDATED]

Petroleum and Empire in North Africa
*keith harmon snow
Ephemeris 360°.org

Are events unfolding in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt more about petro-terrorism or about freedom and democracy? How much oil is there in North Africa? Who is in control of that oil? What is the relationship between the West and Muamar Gaddafi? Is he really the terrorist we’ve all been led to believe he is? Who is the Libyan “opposition” and who are the “rebels” we read about?

Presented with this story are petroleum industry concessions maps for North Africa that people might want to ponder in between the Western propaganda on Libya. Amidst the full-court press of propaganda presented by the western media and State Department disinformation apparatus we find that Muamar Gaddafi is even accused of committing genocide against his own people. Are there double standards at work?...

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In recent years Gaddafi has played along with the western fiction of Al-Queda, though it seems likely that some of the true mercenaries in Libya today are ‘Al-Queda’ terrorists trained by the United States to serve US interests in places like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and now Libya. However, the CIA has always had their sites on Gaddafi.

Note the double standard in how the western press presents the accusations of Gaddafi using mercenaries, as if it is something unique to Gaddafi and Libya, and not something we ever do.

ALGERIA & TUNISIA OIL SECTOR MAPS
(Note the HUNT OIL Concession in the lower right in NIGER: HUNT OIL is out of Texas.)
**MAP 1


...A ‘soft’ intervention CIA front, the National Endowment for Democracy has been deeply involved in Libya along with the CIA fronted Freedom House (under their Blue Umbrella program and others). These entities have backed ‘opposition’, supported propaganda campaigns and so-called ‘pro-democracy’ movements, and are known to be involved with backing armed insurgents and interventions.

NED works its overt intelligence sector magic through four organizations under its (own) umbrella: National democratic Institute; International republican Institute, Center for Private Enterprise, and the AFL-CIO’s American Center for International Labor Solidarity. NED is closely aligned with US foreign policy interests and achieves its mission through the revolving doors between US Government and the NED Board of Directors.

Some of these NED directors include: former US Secretaries of State, Henry Kissinger (Nixon) and Madeleine Albright (Clinton), former US Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci (Reagan), former National Security Council Chair Zbigniew Brzezinski (Carter), former NATO Supreme Allied Command in Europe, General Wesley K. Clark (Clinton), and the current head of the World Bank, Paul Wolfowitz (George W. Bush).

Freedom House is supportive of NED programs but has been around since its creation by Elanor Roosevelt and they have been very active against Libya. Freedom House is funded by, amongst others, UNILEVER Corporation, USAID, and the US Information Agency (USIA). Freedom House, in alliance with USIA, has provided covert and overt “Radio Free’ disinformation programs all over the world since at least 1952: e.g. Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia...

National front for the Salvation of Libya

In almost all western media accounts, the so-called “opposition” in Libya includes the unspecified, unnamed, unidentified “rebels” of the National Front for the Salvation of Libya (NFSL). These are not innocent ‘pro-democracy’ protestors who began with a ‘peaceful sit-in’ as reported by the New York Times and uncritically repeated everywhere else.

Reportage of atrocities in Darfur, Sudan (2003-20011) and Rwanda (1990-1994) was always blamed on the governments (Omar Bashir in Khartoum and Juvenal Habyarimana in Kigali) with no context to the foreign backed insurgency and intervention occurring, which in both cases involved the US, UK and Israel. Similarly, in Libya today, there is no context or history to the FNSL ‘rebels’: they are categorically presented as the good guys, no matter that they seem to have appeared out of thin air. No one explains who these people are who are cited by the New York Times or CNN or Democracy Now as sources.

The FNSL was part of the National Conference for the Libyan Opposition held in London in 2005, and British resources are being used to support the FNSL and other ‘opposition’ in Libya. The FNSL was actually formed in October 1981 in Sudan under Colonel Jaafar Nimieri– the US puppet dictator who was openly known to be a Central Intelligence Agency operative, and who ruled Sudan ruthlessly from 1977 to 1985. The FNSL held its national congress in the USA in July 2007. Reports of ‘atrocities’ and civilian deaths are being channeled into the western press from operations in Washington DC, and the opposition FNSL is reportedly organizing resistance and military attacks from both inside and outside Libya.

Italy and France are also said to be backing these opposition groups, as the Italian and French oil companies AGIP and ELF and others seek to chop off and eat their pieces of the predatory pie. The US, Britain and Israel seek to insure control of the petroleum sector in advance of competitor corporations from other European countries.


Rogue State Painted with Blatant Propaganda

In the ABC LITELINE report FNSL Leader Speaks from Washington we find the Washington monument in the background for an interview with an Arab agent being used by the western propaganda system as a credible source — but with zero explanations of who he is or why his claims might be false.

FNSL operative Irahim Sahad speaks freely, making any claim he likes, and nothing he says is challenged or counter-balanced. Sahad suggests that the UN Security Council MUST be convened to stop the ‘war crimes and ‘mass murder’ and ‘genocide’ being committed by Gaddafi against his own people. Ibrahim Sahad’s bias is unveiled by such statements as “The UN Security Council was convened when just one man was killed in Lebabon — so it should be convened to address the most brutal use of live ammunition, heavy arms and mercenaries.” The claim employs a double-standard, saying in short that Lebanese lives are worth more than Libyan, which is not at all the case, and that the United Nations takes serious one man’s life in Lebanon, so they should take far more serious the monumental loss of life [claimed] in Libya...

Here are some of the media’s rallying cries making headlines everywhere the English language is used:

* Gaddafi: Stop Killing Your Own People
* Gaddafi has Chemical Weapons and he is Ready to Use them
* SAS Ready to seize Col Gaddafi’s stores of mustard gas
* EU Prepares for the worst after Gaddafi’s genocide threats
* Heavy arms used in Libya crackdown
* Gaddafi in crimes against humanity probe

“[T]he fundamental problem and issue before the people in the region is that the US rulers seek imperial control and imposition of semi-colonial country-selling regimes,” reports Ralph Schoenman,....

...Pentagon Invasion Already Underway

The US will use any propaganda necessary to whip up American fervor over Gaddafi and justify Pentagon or MI6 or NATO operations. US and British warships sit off the coast of Libya — and they don’t sit there idly. The imposition of a ‘no-fly’ zone means that US/NATO planes can do as they like, with the understanding that what we are really talking about are possible bombing and fighter sorties against Libya.

US troops have already moved ashore in Libya, joining the ‘opposition ‘ and ‘rebel’ forces in ‘rebel’ controlled territories. The US, France and Britain have already set up Bases in Libya.

The recent report noted that British and US special forces entered Libyan port cities of Benghazi and Toburk on February 23 and 24.

US covert operatives have been on the ground for weeks, in not much longer, whether they have entered by sea (SEALS) or by way of Niger, where the US has openly published information about its covert operations. (See, for example, the travelology reports by former U.S. Special Forces now ‘journalist’ Robert Kaplan in America’s African Rifles a Pentagon massaged and approved propaganda feature in the pro-war Atlantic Monthly). Any opportunity to attack, destabilize, invade will be exploited by the Pentagon.

Of course, as this is written the US media is preparing the ground for the English news consuming masses to see the Pentagon invasion as a “humanitarian” mission in Libya. There is nothing humanitarian about the Pentagon, and there has never been....

...If there are acts of genocide being committed in Libya, they are not being committed by Gaddafi or those fighting for Gaddafi. Reports are emerging that indicate that black Africans are being targeted by ANTI-government forces — these would be the western media’s precious ‘rebels’ — for their perceived support of Gaddafi. These include black Africans from Sudan, Chad, or Egypt, many of which are apparently laborers who have been working the service and lower menial jobs in Libya. However, this report seeks to remind people that there is a political economy of genocide, just as their is a political economy of human rights (and it is imperative that any sincere and comprehensive discussion or application of the term ‘genocide’ be informed by an agreement or understanding of what we do and don’t mean by such terminology).

The disinformation frenzy and hysteria knows no bounds. A web site dedicated to English language reporting on human rights in Cuba had this headline: Human Rights in Cuba: Is Casto Supporting Gaddafi’s Genocide? “Are Cuban pilots flying Gaddafi’s military jets, which are being deployed to attack peaceful Libyan protesters?” the article begins. Interestingly, Fidel Castro was the first international leader to publicly assert that Washington was about to invade Libya: Castro was right.

At this very moment the wars being prosecuted by the USA and its allies, including Japan, Europe, Israel, South Africa, Canada and Australia, far dwarf the ‘atrocities’ committed in Libya. While we have no credible reporting about who is killing, who is opposition, how many dead, etc., out of Libya, we have credible report after credible report establishing that the US and its allies have perpetrated massacres, tortures, and other atrocities, including genocide, in the millions of people, in Congo-Zaire, Rwanda, Uganda, Afghanistan, Iraq and Sudan – for a short list.

The claim of genocide here, akin to the one-sided charges against former Rwandan president Juvenal Habyarimana, or against Sudan’s Omar al-Bashir, are one more clear example of the Politics of Genocide delineated in great detail by this writer and others. Reports in western media — provided, again, by the FNSL and other western intelligence, covert operations or psychological operations flak organizations — are filled with harsh language and characterizations not seen in reporting on or by western military campaigns. For example, in many western reports we can find, such as Gruesome Footage Proves Libya Using Heavy Arms makes claims that “newspapers obtained shocking footage of corpses with bodies blasted off and several torsos in Libyan hospitals.”

So there are several torsos. That is not quite genocide. Where are the images? If such images of death and destruction do appear it will be in sharp contrast to the complete whiteout on dead bodies in the Pentagon’s other theaters of war, in the eastern Congo-Zaire or Somalia, or in Afghanistan. Meanwhile, some videos purporting to be ‘violence in Libya’ have disappeared from the web.

Images of dead bodies can be produced and published but these are easily stripped of context. How do western audiences and propaganda consumers know that these are authentic and not recycled images of protests from Yemen or Bahrain dumped into the western press (with their willing acknowledgment) by Britain’s MI-6, as has been alleged? Al-Jazeera shows its true western colors by not reporting much of anything, and that certainly not critical of western manipulation or involvement.

We saw the tactic of collecting dead bodies and skeletons used in Rwanda by the Pentagon’s agents of the Rwandan Patriotic Front, and in Darfur and South Sudan, where journalist Nicholas Kristof produced some dead shriveled bodies from some desert somewhere and claimed these were from the New York Times’ Secret Genocide Archives. The atrocities were committed, we are told, by President Omar al-Bashir and the government of Sudan....


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Die vent raaskalt maar wat door.
Niemand gaat beweren dat de olie geen rol speelt, en zelf ben ik ervan overtuigd dat die revoluties hun ontstaan te danken hebben aan een externe coaching.

Maar als je de lijn door zijn artikels leest dan is het steeds; CIA, pentagon, covert ops, mining corporations, the US, the Belgians and the Israelies.....

Het enige belangrijke in het artikel ben je wel vergeten:
* keith harmon snow traveled to Tripoli, Libya in 2009 and stayed about 3 days while attending the “2009 International Conference of the Green Book Supporters“
as a member of the US Delegation invited by former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney (D-GA).

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Die vent raaskalt maar wat door.
Niemand gaat beweren dat de olie geen rol speelt, en zelf ben ik ervan overtuigd dat die revoluties hun ontstaan te danken hebben aan een externe coaching.

Maar als je de lijn door zijn artikels leest dan is het steeds; CIA, pentagon, covert ops, mining corporations, the US, the Belgians and the Israelies.....

Het enige belangrijke in het artikel ben je wel vergeten:
* keith harmon snow traveled to Tripoli, Libya in 2009 and stayed about 3 days while attending the “2009 International Conference of the Green Book Supporters“
as a member of the US Delegation invited by former U.S. Congresswoman Cynthia Mckinney (D-GA).

Ja, je hebt het dus gelezen en ook opgemerkt. invited by...
Daar stel ik mij ook vragen bij...

Ik had het wel gepost, maar nadien gewist wegens te langdradig.

[George]

Nieuw, wel van gisteren maar toch.
Kadhafi heeft gesproken en de nieuwste feiten zijn de onze geworden al blijven er mensen bestaan die de westerse media geloven.

Al Qaida en het "westen" vormen nu één te"terroristisch" front tegen de Libische bevolking. De enige die de Libische burgers ertegen kan beschermen is Kadhafi.

Zo gaat dat nu eenmaal in de politiek. De ene dag ben je een vriend en de andere dag niet meer. De ene dag ben je publieke vijand nr1 en de andere dag werk je samen om burgers van een land te terroriseren.

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Nog even...

De Arab league steunt de NO-FLY zone.

The Arab League's ambassador in Washington said Tuesday that the international organization is in favor of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya, where fighting continued between rebels and government forces.

Meanwhile, clashes escalated in Egypt between Christians and Muslims as thousands took to the streets in violent demonstrations.

Hussein Hassouna, the Arab League envoy to the U.S., said that the organization feels a "sense of urgency" over sustained violence in Libya and will likely call this week for a no-fly zone to shield civilians and rebels from further attacks by Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

"The no-fly zone, I think, is now the objective of the international community," Hassouna said.

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tunesië - geen olie - revolutie kan
egypte - geen olie - revolutie kan
libië - olie - ? plots is het nodig dat het "westen" ingrijpt.

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http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuw...Libie_zaterdag

Het ziet er dus naar uit dat de Arabische Liga aan de VN-Veiligheidsraad zal vragen een vliegverbod boven Libie in te stellen.

Dit is een val die openstaat.
De VS zijn NIET enthousiast(en terecht),enkel de twee dikke-nek micro-supermachtjes GB en Frankrijk zouden hun EU-partners willen meesleuren.

Kijk...
De Arabische Liga heeft zelf ruim voldoende militaire middelen om eigenhandig een dergelijk no-fly-zone af te dwingen(alleen al de Saudi-luchtmacht zou daartoe ruim voldoende zijn,met hun hypermoderne toestellen en hun eigen AWACS)....maar,net als bij Irak,willen ze ZELF hun verantwoordelijkheid niet nemen en het aan de "kruisvaarders" overlaten.Als de zaak daarmee opgelost is,zoveel te beter,en anders kunnen ze iemand anders kritiseren...

Nee,ik gun de Libische Rebellen gerust totale overwinning,maar,zoals ze in het begin zelf zegden,ze moeten het ZELF doen....(en kunnen nadien eens nadenken over die zgn "Arabische Liga"....)

Overigens,ook Khadaffi zal nu bepaalde gedachten hebben over die honden van de "AL"