Bush loog zijn volk bewust voor over Irak

[Antoon]

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Het lijkt me toch niet dat Clinton zijn populariteit tanende is.Hij werd misschien gelyncht door zijn politieke tegenstrevers,wat normaal is,maar niet door het volk.
Bush heeft waarschijnlijk ook niet gezegd :"Laten we eens de verkiezingen vervalsen",maar hij heeft gewoon de gelegenheid gebruikt die zich voordeed.

Jij bent dus een van die slechte verliezers.

[Pinehole]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Antoon

Jij bent dus een van die slechte verliezers.

Wat heeft dit met verliezen te maken?

[TomB]

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Het lijkt me toch niet dat Clinton zijn populariteit tanende is.Hij werd misschien gelyncht door zijn politieke tegenstrevers,wat normaal is,maar niet door het volk.
Bush heeft waarschijnlijk ook niet gezegd :"Laten we eens de verkiezingen vervalsen",maar hij heeft gewoon de gelegenheid gebruikt die zich voordeed.

Denk je echt dat de republikeinen 100% perscontrole hebben? Als Jeb Bush de verkiezingen voor George echt had vervalst hadden de democraten met alle geweld een campagne gelanceerd. Ze hebben geprobeerd, en het is niet gelukt wegens gebrek aan feiten.

[filosoof]

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misbruik maken van de persbelangstelling.
Met d�*t argument kan je natuurlijk in principe élk publiek proces verbieden.Maar juist is dat natuurlijk niet. idd...

[TomB]

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Hier is de ene kant:
Publiek process tegen terroristen. Dat brengt een aantal elementen met zich mee:
Enorme kijkcijfers
Enorm goed advocatenteam in de verdediging van de terroristen

Dat is het allerlaatste waar het witte huis op zit te wachten.

Hier is de andere kant:
Het tegenargument is dat terroristen die opgesloten zitten op die manier hun werk zouden kunnen verderzetten en hun ideologie zouden kunnen verspreiden. Deze discussie is tot stand gekomen toen een Arabische opgepakte terrorist weigerde om een advocaat in dienst te nemen. Die kerel zou volgens het Amerikaanse recht zichzelf verdedigen. Het enige wat die mens gedaan heeft is in het Arabisch verzen van de Koran aaneenreigend het Amerikaanse gezag en de authoriteit van het Amerikaanse gerecht verwerpen, ja, zelfs oproepen tot meer terrorisme. In se was hij zoals de beruchte TV preachers die we hier in de VS al lang kennen, maar dan oproepend tot moord. Nu stel je voor dat zulke propaganda op TV getoond wordt aan miljarden kijkers, is dat dan goed?

[filosoof]

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Wat op TV getoond wordt, is wat locale KIJKCIJFERS haalt, en 't zou me erg verwonderen als
(ik citeer):
"in het Arabisch verzen van de Koran aaneenreigend het Amerikaanse gezag en de authoriteit van het Amerikaanse gerecht verwerpen, ja, zelfs oproepen tot meer terrorisme", de Nielsen-ratings écht door 't plafond zou jagen!
Of de beelden aan Al Jazheera of buitenlandse zenders verkocht worden, kunnen de US zelf wel uitmaken. Bovendien moet imho een democratie tegen zoiets bestand zijn, anders schort er iets aan die democratie... Het procedee doet me een beetje te veel aan maatschappijen met totalitaire neigingen denken. In Europa waren de processen tegen IRA-,Brigate Rosse- , ETA-, RAF- en CCC-leden toch ook publiek?

[TomB]

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Ik denk dat je de publieke interesse in een proces tegen kopstukken van het terrorisme hier zowat zou kunnen vergelijken met het proces Dutroux in Belgie. De pers zal daar rondhangen zoals vliegen rond een lading stront.

[filosoof]

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Ga je daarom Dutroux geen openbaar proces, volgens onze rechtsregels, gunnen? Zwak argument!

[filosoof]

DIT plukte ik van Reuters op 30/072003:

[size=6]Bush Accepts Blame for African Uranium Charge[/size]
Wed July 30, 2003 04:00 PM ET


By Steve Holland
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After weeks of blaming others, President Bush for the first time accepted responsibility on Wednesday for making a now-discredited charge that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa.

"I take personal responsibility for everything I say," Bush said when asked about the disputed claim during a wide-ranging White House Rose Garden news conference.

Bush also denied exaggerating the Iraqi threat in the runup to the war as some Democrats have charged and said his decision to go to war was based on "good, sound intelligence" that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction.

"I'm confident history will prove the decision we made to be the right decision," he said.

It was Bush's first formal solo news conference since March, the eighth of his presidency, and came shortly before he departs on Saturday for what amounts to a month-long vacation at his Texas ranch interspersed with various official and fund-raising events.

A main focus of the news conference was the chaotic situation in Iraq, where U.S. troops are dying daily three months after major combat operations were declared over, where the hunt for weapons of mass destruction is so far fruitless, and where Saddam Hussein remains at large.

The claim that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa for a nuclear weapons program was made by Bush in his State of the Union address last January as evidence that Iraq represented a threat to the United States.

In recent weeks the claim has been discredited as being based partly on forged documents, and in the uproar that followed, Bush and his top aides blamed CIA Director George Tenet for failing to head off the 16-word line in the speech.

Deputy national security adviser Stephen Hadley accepted a White House share of the blame but Bush had declined to take personal responsibility.

'CREDIBILITY GAP'

His acknowledgment represented an attempt to put the issue to rest as Democrats claim Bush has a "credibility gap."

He defended national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, who has drawn fire for letting the claim into the speech.

"Dr. Condoleezza Rice is an honest, fabulous person and America is lucky to have her service, period," he said, as Rice watched with other top aides nearby under the shade of a tree.

On the hunt for Saddam himself, Bush said U.S. forces were "closer than we were yesterday, I guess."

Bush had said in the pre-war period he was convinced Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction but now said he was confident Saddam had a "weapons program" and that the truth will come out as mounds of seized documents are analyzed.

"It's just going to take a while," he said.

Bush is under strong pressure to produce evidence of weapons of mass destruction since he cited it as the main cause for war. He was briefed about the search on Tuesday by David Kay, who is leading the search for the U.S. military.

He acknowledged that he needed to produce the evidence.

"In order to, you know, placate the critics and the cynics about (the) intention of the United States we need to produce evidence. And I fully understand it, and I'm confident that our search will yield that which I strongly believe: that Saddam had a weapons program," he said.

He predicted that as Iraqis become less fearful of a return of Saddam to power, "we will gain more cooperation in our search for the truth in Iraq."

Bush spoke as Americans are increasingly uneasy about the U.S. military deployment in Iraq, with 50 U.S. troops killed in hostile action since May 1."The American people are proud of our armed forces and we are grateful for their sacrifice and their service in fighting the war on terror," he said.

Bush urged patience as the United States seeks to develop a freer society in Iraq. "Even our own experiment with democracy, it didn't happen overnight. I've never expected Thomas Jefferson to emerge in Iraq in a 90-day period. And so this is going to take time," he said.

Het verschil tussen "a weapons program" en de feitelijk aanwezige wapens, zou dat soms gewoon de aan Saddam toegeschreven intentie zijn?? (die hij misschien wel degelijk effectief had )

[filosoof]

DIT plukte ik van Reuters op 30/072003:

[size=4]Bush Accepts Blame for African Uranium Charge [/size]Wed July 30, 2003 04:00 PM ET


By Steve Holland
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After weeks of blaming others, President Bush for the first time accepted responsibility on Wednesday for making a now-discredited charge that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa.

"I take personal responsibility for everything I say," Bush said when asked about the disputed claim during a wide-ranging White House Rose Garden news conference.

Bush also denied exaggerating the Iraqi threat in the runup to the war as some Democrats have charged and said his decision to go to war was based on "good, sound intelligence" that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction.

"I'm confident history will prove the decision we made to be the right decision," he said.

It was Bush's first formal solo news conference since March, the eighth of his presidency, and came shortly before he departs on Saturday for what amounts to a month-long vacation at his Texas ranch interspersed with various official and fund-raising events.

A main focus of the news conference was the chaotic situation in Iraq, where U.S. troops are dying daily three months after major combat operations were declared over, where the hunt for weapons of mass destruction is so far fruitless, and where Saddam Hussein remains at large.

The claim that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa for a nuclear weapons program was made by Bush in his State of the Union address last January as evidence that Iraq represented a threat to the United States.

In recent weeks the claim has been discredited as being based partly on forged documents, and in the uproar that followed, Bush and his top aides blamed CIA Director George Tenet for failing to head off the 16-word line in the speech.

Deputy national security adviser Stephen Hadley accepted a White House share of the blame but Bush had declined to take personal responsibility.

'CREDIBILITY GAP'

His acknowledgment represented an attempt to put the issue to rest as Democrats claim Bush has a "credibility gap."

He defended national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, who has drawn fire for letting the claim into the speech.

"Dr. Condoleezza Rice is an honest, fabulous person and America is lucky to have her service, period," he said, as Rice watched with other top aides nearby under the shade of a tree.

On the hunt for Saddam himself, Bush said U.S. forces were "closer than we were yesterday, I guess."

Bush had said in the pre-war period he was convinced Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction but now said he was confident Saddam had a "weapons program" and that the truth will come out as mounds of seized documents are analyzed.

"It's just going to take a while," he said.

Bush is under strong pressure to produce evidence of weapons of mass destruction since he cited it as the main cause for war. He was briefed about the search on Tuesday by David Kay, who is leading the search for the U.S. military.

He acknowledged that he needed to produce the evidence.

"In order to, you know, placate the critics and the cynics about (the) intention of the United States we need to produce evidence. And I fully understand it, and I'm confident that our search will yield that which I strongly believe: that Saddam had a weapons program," he said.

He predicted that as Iraqis become less fearful of a return of Saddam to power, "we will gain more cooperation in our search for the truth in Iraq."

Bush spoke as Americans are increasingly uneasy about the U.S. military deployment in Iraq, with 50 U.S. troops killed in hostile action since May 1."The American people are proud of our armed forces and we are grateful for their sacrifice and their service in fighting the war on terror," he said.

Bush urged patience as the United States seeks to develop a freer society in Iraq. "Even our own experiment with democracy, it didn't happen overnight. I've never expected Thomas Jefferson to emerge in Iraq in a 90-day period. And so this is going to take time," he said.

Het verschil tussen "a weapons program" en de feitelijk aanwezige wapens, zou dat soms gewoon de aan Saddam toegeschreven intentie zijn?? (intentie die hij misschien wel degelijk effectief had )