Holebi video "Sam & Lisa"

[vlaanderen72]

Weet je bartje we kunnen zo doorgaan tot sint juttemis.
Ik vind dat holebi's een geaardheid hebben die onnatuurlijk is en abnormaal ,jij vind dit uiteraard niet omdat jij ook zo bent.
Ik vind dat je geen recht hebt op een huwelijk en adoptie en kinderen in het algemeen,jij bent ook daar het oneens met me daar jij het beide wil hebben.
Jij vind mij homohatend doch ik ontken dit ,omdat julle echt mijn haat niet verdiennen en het ook niet waard bent,echt zenne.
Jullie zijn zo een kleine minderheid die zo een grote inspanningen vragen aan de meerderheid der mensen waar ik het totaal niet eens mee ben ,en ook nooit mee eens zal kunnen zijn.
Jij kunt me noch veel vinden dat is ingelijks dat weet jij en dat weet ik so what.
Ik blijf er ook bij dat jullie je geaardheid opdringen in de zin van :zie eens hier ik ben homo iedereen mag het weten en je hebt het maar goed te vinden bovendien eisen wij het huwelijk en als klapstuk de adoptie.
Verschrikkelijk vind ik dat ,echt,daar kan ik me razend over maken.
En dat zal zo blijven .

[Godfried]

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Dat het Vlaams Blok tot en met homohatend is, al die uitspraken van verschillende Blokkers zijn toch wel héél duidelijk TEGEN homo's of niet soms?

Het VB haat niemand. Ze verwoorden gewoon het standpunt van de meerderheid van de bevolking mbt homofilie. Da's trouwens heel democratisch.

[Godfried]

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Bartje, ik ben geen slechte moeder en dat ik ooit mijn zoon zou buiten gooien wegens zijn homo zijn ,is mijn goed recht wat jij ook moge aanhalen.

Een vrouw die ik ken is van haar gezin en kind weggelopen om met een andere vrouw te gaan samenwonen. Knap he? Liefde, verantwoordelijkheidszin, engagement, Bartje? Haar ouders hebben gelukkig totaal met haar gebroken: ze mag thuis niet meer binnen. Dat wil ze ook niet: ze wil haar eigen kind immers niet meer zien. Mooi is dat allemaal. Is dat het maatschappijmodel waar jullie naar streven? Geef mij dan maar Vl72, die haar zoon duidelijk zegt waar ze de grens trekt.

[Godfried]

Hier Bartje, nog wat informatie voor u.

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10 Contributing Factors to Homosexuality

Personality Temperament -- The temperament of a child, adolescent and an adult will affect how they perceive the world around them.

General Family Dysfunction -- This dysfunction is perceived through the filter of #1.

Sexual Violation / Abuse -- More than 50% of all gay men and lesbian women were molested. The number is highest amongst lesbians.

Peer Labeling & Harassment -- The degrading names children are called such as faggot, and sissy.

Physical Characteristics -- Females: high athletic involvement or tomboy behavior; Male: Skinny, lack of athletic ability

Media Influences -- Our culture is changing and embracing open sexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality. We have watched television move from Lucy & Ricky Ricardo sleeping in separate beds to Will & Grace and many other shows containing overt homosexual themes of acceptance.

School Curriculum -- California is the only state with a mandate of having a homosexual curriculum.

Failure to identity with your gender identity.

Difficulty relating to the same sex without eroticizing them.

Exposure to and/or use of pornography.
These contributing factors work in tandem. No single factor causes homosexuality and the combination differs among individuals. This list gives the most common factors found in those who struggle.

Three Myths About Homosexuality

Myth #1

Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.

The truth...

There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other psychological conditions.

Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships, sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.

Myth #2

Homosexuals cannot change, and if they try, they will suffer great emotional distress and become suicidal. Therefore, treatment to change homosexuality must be stopped.

The truth...

Psychotherapists around the world who treat homosexuals report that significant numbers of their clients have experienced substantial healing. Change has come through psychological therapy, spirituality, and ex-gay support groups. Whether leading married or committed celibate lives, many report that their homosexual feelings have diminished greatly, and do not trouble them as much as they had in the past.

The keys to change are desire, persistence, and a willingness to investigate the conscious and unconscious conflicts from which the condition originated. Change comes slowly, usually over several years. Clients learn how to meet their needs for same-sex nurturance and affirmation without eroticizing the relationship. As they grow into their heterosexual potential, men and women typically experience a deeper and fuller sense of themselves as male or female.

If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from their attractions.

Myth #3

We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.

The truth...

Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.

A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner.

[Godfried]

Is It Possible To Overcome Homosexuality?

Of course, those who believe that homosexuality is "something you are born with" would take great issue with the idea that it is possible to change or otherwise "overcome" their homosexuality. But there are at least two reasons why I am convinced that it IS possible...

THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE
As indicated earlier, the scientific arena is one than can be easily "tainted" by presuppositions or political correctness (even "religious" correctness). For this reason, it will be a long time before adequate research can be done that will come close to resolving this issue conclusively. But research from impartial sources has indicated that it is possible to overcome homosexuality...
Masters & Johnson, well-known researchers in human sexuality, reported in their book Homosexuality In Perspective a 67% success rate in their helping homosexuals revert to heterosexual behavior. I doubt anyone could accuse Masters & Johnson of being motivated by religious prejudices in their reporting!

Also, in an article published in the American Journal Of Psychiatry (December, 1980), E. Mansell Pattison, M.D., and Myrna Loy Pattison, from the Department of Psychiatry and Health Behavior, Medical College of Georgia, documented eleven cases of men who claim to have changed their sexual orientation from exclusively homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality through involvement in a church fellowship.

This leads to the second reason why I believe it IS possible to overcome homosexuality...


THE BIBLICAL EVIDENCE
In writing to the church at Corinth, a city known for its immorality, Paul warns them:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor SODOMITES, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Co 6:9-10)
Notice, as we have seen earlier, that Paul includes homosexuality as conduct that can keep one out of the kingdom of God. But then Paul says something that should give great hope to those who are willing to believe that it IS possible to overcome homosexuality...

"AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Co 6:11)
Through the blood of Jesus Christ, and the power of the Holy Spirit, it IS possible for a homosexual to be forgiven and to be sanctified (set apart for a holy purpose)!
This is not to say that it is easy. As with all sinners, forgiveness can be received immediately when united with Christ in His death through baptism. But living the kind of "sanctified" life required of all Christians is one that requires a "transformation" which occurs in time as we submit our minds and bodies to the transforming and strengthening power of the Holy Spirit!

[Godfried]

Helping Homosexuals To Overcome

As suggested in the previous section, it is possible for a person to overcome their homosexuality even if they are not a Christian. But there is so much more help available if one is willing to come to Jesus Christ and the transforming power of the Holy Spirit! In this section, we shall briefly examine positive steps one can take in dealing with the pernicious sin of homosexuality.

OBEY JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOR AND LORD
When one turns to the Lord in sincere faith and repentance, their baptism into Christ is the source of great blessings. As the apostle Peter proclaimed in the first gospel message on the Day of Pentecost:

"...Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Ac 2:38)
Notice carefully that when one is baptized upon repentance that there is first the "remission of sins." By the blood of Christ every sin is washed away in baptism. But there is also the "gift of the Holy Spirit" promised to those who repent and are baptized. This refers to the personal indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian, Who serves as the instrumental agent by which God and Christ indwell and strengthens the Christian. As Paul wrote to the Christians at Rome:

"But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you."
"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors--not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh."
"For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live."
(Ro 8:11-13)
Yes, it is by the Spirit we are able to "put to death the deeds of the body", for as Paul wrote to the Ephesians, it is through the Spirit that God strengthens our inward man:


"...to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man," (Ep 3:16)
With such "divine help" we are able to do whatever the will of God calls us to do. As Paul wrote in his epistle to the Philippians:

"...for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Ph 2:13)
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." (Ph 4:13)
When we obey Christ and submit our lives to Him, we are not alone in our struggle against sin and the temptations we often face in the flesh; by the Spirit of God we can receive the strength Christ provides!
But such ability does not come automatically. To receive the help God provides requires that we...


WALK IN THE SPIRIT
As written to the churches of Galatia:

"I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh." (Ga 5:16)
Whether the "lust of the flesh" we are fighting involves fornication, adultery, or homosexuality, we can only overcome it as we "walk in the Spirit". How does a Christian do this? The answer is found in Paul's epistle to the Romans:

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit." (Ro 8:5)
We "live according to the Spirit" (or "walk in the Spirit") as we "set our minds on the things of the Spirit!" Just as a person whose mind is "in the gutter" will soon live accordingly, those who "set" their mind on the things the Spirit has revealed will live in harmony with that revelation.
In other words, the Word of God, revealed to us by the Holy Spirit working through the apostles and prophets of Jesus Christ, contains those "things" upon which we must "set our minds" if we are going to "live according to the Spirit". The Word of God is the instrument (or sword, Ep 6:17) the Holy Spirit uses to transform the minds and lives of those who will truly give themselves to it!

As the Psalmist understood and declared so long ago...


"Your word I have hidden in my heart, that I might not sin against You." (Psa 119:11)
Even Jesus, when tempted in the wilderness, appealed to the Word of God again and again in His fight against the lusts of the flesh (Ma 4:1-11)! So must one who is serious in overcoming homosexuality set his or her mind on the Word of God, that they might truly walk in the Spirit and receive the strength only the Spirit can provide!
But there is more that can be said...


RESTRICT WHAT GOES INTO YOUR MIND
Jesus pointed out in His sermon on the mount that the problem of adultery actually begins in the heart (mind):

"...whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." (Ma 5:28)
The same can be said for homosexuality. Therefore, a person who is serious in their efforts to overcome any sexual sin must be careful about what they allow their minds to dwell on. Again, Paul wrote:

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh..." (Ro 8:5)
If a person is going to be truly "transformed" it will occur only when the mind is being "renewed":

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service."
"And do not be conformed to this world, BUT BE TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."
(Ro 12:1-2)
But a person's mind cannot be "renewed" if they allow themselves to dwell on those things that will prompt lustful desires. Rather, they need to heed the following admonition:


"...whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy--meditate on these things." (Ph 4:8)
Rather than dwelling on things that will weaken one's resolve, a person committed to overcoming temptations of the flesh will devote their thoughts, their reading, their television and movie viewing, to such things described above!

AVOID HOMOSEXUAL FRIENDS AND HANGOUTS
One should be aware of the dangers of the wrong kind of companionship:

"Do not be deceived: 'Evil company corrupts good habits.'" (1 Co 15:33)
Friends can be a wonderful blessing, but the wrong kind of friends can be a disaster! Avoid like the plague those who would entice you back into sin. And avoid those environments where the opportunities for temptations are great, where homosexuals are known to frequent. In other words...

"...put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and MAKE NO PROVISION FOR THE FLESH, to fulfill its lusts." (Ro 13:14)
Do not provide opportunities for the flesh to be tempted to give into unlawful desires!

BECOME ACTIVE IN THE LOCAL CHURCH
Those who have been converted from homosexuality especially need the encouragement of that which comes from Christian fellowship. The very purpose of our assemblies is to provide such:

"And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another..." (He 10:24-25)
Of course, it is essential that those struggling with trying to overcome homosexuality be fully accepted despite their past by their fellow Christians, or they will be terribly discouraged! It is the Lord's desire that local congregations be a haven for ALL who seek to serve the Lord and overcome sin.

BECOME ACTIVE IN A WEEKLY BIBLE STUDY
The early Christians realized the value of home Bible studies with others...

"And daily in the temple, AND IN EVERY HOUSE, they did not cease teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ." (Ac 5:42)
"...I kept back nothing that was helpful, but proclaimed it to you, and taught you publicly and FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE." (Ac 20:20)
The value of such special studies should be especially apparent for those Christians overcoming difficult problems (such as drugs, alcohol, homosexuality) where meeting with the church during its regular assemblies is not enough. Again, this calls for understanding and committed Christians who are willing to spend such time in study with their brethren who may be weak.

BELIEVE IN GOD FOR AN "UNLIMITED" FUTURE!
It is important to remember that with God nothing is impossible! The scriptures tell us that God is able to do things beyond what we are able to imagine:

"...who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us," (Ep 3:20)
Notice the superlatives used by Paul ("exeedingly" "abundantly" "above all"), you soon get the impression that this "power" that works in us is really beyond description! But it is available to those who commit themselves to serving the Lord!
Not only that, but we have the promise that God will never allow us to be tempted beyond what we are able to handle:


"No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." (1 Co 10:13)
With the power of God working IN us to give us strength, and the providence of God working AROUND us to keep us out of temptations beyond our ability to overcome, we can change and be all that God wants us to be! (And remember, when we do fall because we do not take advantage of God's power and providence, there is still the grace of God to provide forgiveness when we truly repent and come back to God.)

PRESENT YOUR BODY FORMALLY TO GOD
When one becomes a Christian, their body then belongs to the Lord:

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body."
"Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?"
"For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's."
(1 Co 6:18-20)
Since we now belong to God, we should present our bodies to God as part of our reasonable service...


"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God."
(Ro 12:1-2)
Whereas before you may have allowed your body to be used as an instrument for sin, let it be used as an instrument of righteousness in the service of God:


"Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts."
"And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteous- ness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God."
(Ro 6:12-13)
The more we think of serving God with both body and spirit, the less we will succumb to allowing either to engage in sinful activities.


FINALLY, PRAY!
Yes, pray! And "pray without ceasing" (1 Th 5:17) whenever the temptation is greatest. Why pray? The author of Hebrews gives us two good reasons:

"Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need." (He 4:16)
Through prayer we can receive from God both mercy and grace to help us in time of need. Mercy for the times when we do not take advantage of the help God provides, and grace to help in those times when we DO seek to take advantage of it.
Through prayer, the Word, the help of brethren, and the Holy Spirit Himself, anyone (including the homosexual and lesbian) should be able to say with the apostle Paul:


"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."
May God give us all whatever portion of that strength we need!

[Godfried]

Oh en tussen haakjes: de vorige tekst is niet van een Katholiek, wel iemand die zichzelf (lekker progressief ) "christen" noemt. Iets zoals bartje dus.

[Godfried]

Question: Why is homosexuality wrong? I've read in the Bible that it is, but why does God find this behavior wrong?

Answer:

As the creator of the world, God has designed us in a certain way. Consider this illustration. Sony makes VCRs. With every VCR they ship, they include a manufacturers handbook which tells you how to use the VCR and things to be sure you avoid doing with your VCR. You learn that the VCR is delicate, and that if it is going to work properly you should not kick it around, shove oatmeal inside of it, etc. In order to keep it working, you need to follow the instructions and warnings.

We are the same way. God has made us, we are his workmanship, and He has given us the "manufacturers handbook" for how we are to live our lives so that we will function properly. This is the Bible.

God tells us that He has made our sexual nature in such a way that we are designed for partnering with ONE person of the opposite sex within the context of marriage. If we choose to do anything but this, then we violate God's will for us, and just like kicking a VCR, we damage ourselves. Is there anyone out there who would suggest that having sex outside of marriage helped their life, or someone for whom a homosexual lifestyle has brought them joy and peace?

God tells us that certain things are wrong to do because He loves us and if we do them, we will hurt ourselves.

The other issue is that when we choose to do these things, not only do we hurt ourselves, but we disobey God. This is no small thing. Just as when a child disobeys their parents, they have communicated disrespect and arrogance, we thumb our noses at the all powerful creator of the universe when we sin. God takes this seriously. Thankfully, He loves us so much that He became a man in Jesus Christ to die for our sins, so that we might be forgiven.

So why does God find homosexuality wrong? Because it is not what He created us for, and if we engage in it we do incredible damage to ourselves. God only wants the best for us...and the best is Him!

[Godfried]

Meer info over het genezen van homofilie:

http://www.exodusinternational.org/

[Godfried]

En ziehier alweer een wetenschappelijk bewijs waar bartje zijn laarzen gaat vegen:

Robert L. Spitzer, M.D. Chief, Biomedics Research and Professor of Psychiatry, Columbia University was quoted in the Wall Street Journal of May 23, 2001 as saying

" In 1973, I opposed the prevailing orthodoxy in my profession by leading the effort to remove homosexuality from the official list of psychiatric disorders. For this liberals and the gay community respected me, even as it angered many of my colleagues. I said then-as I say now- that homosexuals can live happy, fulfilled lives. If they claim to be comfortable as they are, should not be accused of lying or being in denial . Now in 2001, I find myself challenging a new orthodoxy. This challenge has caused me to be presented as an enemy of the gay community, and many in the psychiatric and academic community. The assumption I am now challenging is this:

that every desire for change in sexual orientation is always the result of social pressure and never the product of a rational, self directed goal……… What I found was that in the unique sample I studied, many made substantial changes in sexual arousal and fantasy-and not merely behaviour. Even subjects who made a less substantial change believed it to be extremely beneficial."

Dr Spitzers report states that 200 subjects claimed to have changed their sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual.

The graphs alongside show significant results:

The New York Times of May 9, 2001 stated
«Scientist says study shows gay change is possible»

While many homosexuals claim to be happy, many are not! They desire change
Change is possible and scientifically proven
Change is possible for the motivated-Strong religious belief is the key
This confirms what Exodus has been saying since 1973
An 18 slide presentation in PowerPoint is available on request to [email protected]

[bartje]

Bewijzen jochies,helemaal geen bewijzen hé Godfried, véél vijvenen zessen maar voor de rest. Trouwens je kan het niet in het Nederlands zetten zeker? En dus Godfried jij verdedigt eenmoeder die haar zoon op straat zou zetten????

En bewijs ook eens dat een meerderheid van de bevolking jullie standpunt deelt??? Neen, héél wat mensen zijn blij dat homo's gelijke rechten krijgen. Enmaar goed ook

[chr.wouters]

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En bewijs ook eens dat een meerderheid van de bevolking jullie standpunt deelt??? Neen, héél wat mensen zijn blij dat homo's gelijke rechten krijgen. Enmaar goed ook

Maar jullie hebben toch al lang gelijke rechten? Waar staat ergens in een wet dat homo's bepaalde jobs niet mogen uitvoeren, minder betaald worden, bepaalde lokaties niet binnenmogen etc.?
Gaat het alleen maar om dat homohuwelijk? Komaan zeg het huwelijk had voor hetero's allang afgeschaft moeten zijn en nu gaan jullie daar eens mee beginnen!

[bartje]

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Maar jullie hebben toch al lang gelijke rechten? Waar staat ergens in een wet dat homo's bepaalde jobs niet mogen uitvoeren, minder betaald worden, bepaalde lokaties niet binnenmogen etc.?
Gaat het alleen maar om dat homohuwelijk? Komaan zeg het huwelijk had voor hetero's allang afgeschaft moeten zijn en nu gaan jullie daar eens mee beginnen!

ALLE rechten gelijk hetero's,ALLE!!!! Wie er daar dangebruik kan van maken,ze kunnenhet!

[chr.wouters]

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[ALLE rechten gelijk hetero's,ALLE!!!! Wie er daar dangebruik kan van maken,ze kunnenhet!

Ge antwoordt niet! Kom zeg mij nu eens wat jullie NIET mogen en normalen WEL?

[tikken eike]

Als we dan toch wetenschappelijk worden...

Wat dan met FEITEN zoals dat er wel degelijk structuurverschillen zijn tussen de hersenen van homo's en hetero's. Bepaalde gebieden in de hersenen van homomannen (hypothalamus, speelt o.a. een rol bij euhmm.... seksualiteit) zijn anders dan die van heteromannen en komen overeen met die van (hetero)vrouwen... Analoog voor lesbiennes. Idem voor transseksuelen. Wellicht zijn deze structuurverschillen het gevolg van een onbalans tussen vrouwelijke en mannelijke hormonen in een vroeg stadium van de ontwikkeling (in de moederschoot). (Waarmee niet wil gezegd zijn dat de oorzaak genetisch is hoewel een genetische susceptibiliteit niet uit te sluiten is...)
Homoseksualiteit is zelfs induceerbaar in labo's op dieren...

O ja, in de dierentuin in Amsterdam (dacht ik) kan je zelfs een rondleiding volgen langs alle homoseksuele dieren...
(En de mens is dus ook maar een dier... dus zo onnatuurlijk zal het allemaal wel niet zijn...)

[bartje]

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Ge antwoordt niet! Kom zeg mij nu eens wat jullie NIET mogen en normalen WEL?

wij zijn ook normaal dus daar is er al geen verschil in. Maar wij mogennog altijd geen kinderen adopteren,erfenisrechten etc..C.

[chr.wouters]

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wij zijn ook normaal dus daar is er al geen verschil in. Maar wij mogennog altijd geen kinderen adopteren,erfenisrechten etc..C.

-Een huwelijk is alleen maar een administratieve last. Niet nodig dus.
-Zolang homofilie niet de norm is zullen door homo's aangenomen kinderen uitgelachen worden. Niet doen dus.
Wat gaat het volgende zijn? U een baarmoeder laten inplanten misschien? Uit een relatie van twee mannen komen geen kinderen punt. Als ge een kater op een andere kater zet komen er ook geen poesjes.
-Erfenisrechten. Kunt ge allemaal bij onderling contract afspreken.
waar zijn die andere etc.etc.'s?

[bartje]

Allé daar gaan we weer, nu het vb van baarmoeder inplanten. Gebrek aan arguementen. We kunnen ook niet huwen voor de kerk maar dat is nu het minste het burgerlijk huwelijk is er en dat is het voornaamste; en onderling regelen ja allemaal goed en wel maar dan wel dat de familie er niet kan tussen komen want sommigen ;;; en daarbij als hetero s kunnen huwen en kinderen kunnen adopteren wij toch ook zeker of niet dat is discriminatie;

[maddox]

Joepie.. Hetero's en homo's dezelfde rechten en plichten.


Maar ik pas .. aambeien openschoffelen is niet mijn bezigheid.

[chr.wouters]

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en daarbij als hetero kinderen kunnen adopteren wij toch ook zeker of niet dat is discriminatie;

Maar denk nu toch 's aan die kinderen en niet altijd aan uzelf!
OK, dat is dan spijtig dat ge homo zijt maar dat ge geen kindjes kunt krijgen hoort daar nu eenmaal bij. Ik zou ook wel willen kunnen vliegen maar ik het geen vleugels!
Trouwens, weet ge wel hoeveel last ge eigenlijk met kinderen hebt? Zijt blij dat ge er geen kunt krijgen!