7 opinies over 9/11

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excuus, was post voor NWO, deze mag van mij weg



Pin d'Ar

Hoewel het onderwerp zeker niet grappig is, is dit filmpje het wel.

Een officiele film van het Britse leger die LSD test op zijn soldaten:

LSD BEING TESTED ON BRITISH TROOPS

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[SIZE=4]Venezuelan Government To Launch International 9/11 Investigation[/SIZE]


Truth crusaders Walter and Rodriguez to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly TV broadcast


Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | March 31 2006


Billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez this week embarked on a groundbreaking trip to Caracas Venezuela in which they met with with the President of the Assembly and will soon meet with Venezuelan President himself Hugo Chavez in anticipation of an official Venezuelan government investigation into 9/11.


Rodriguez was the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the north tower of the WTC, and was responsible for all stairwells within the tower. Rodriguez represented family members of 9/11 victims and testified to the 9/11 Commission that bombs were in the north tower but his statements were completely omitted from the official record.


Jimmy Walter has been at the forefront of a world tour to raise awareness about 9/11 and has still yet to receive any response to his million dollar challenge in which he offers a $1 million reward for proof that the trade towers' steel structure was broken apart without explosives.


Rodriguez said that he was told an FBI agent had asked the hotel him and Walter were staying in turn over a list of names of residents. Upon hearing this, the National Assembly provided armed military protection for the entirety of the trip. In addition, Walters said that CIA agents were seen surveilling the beach on which he and Rodriguez had handed out free DVD's a day earlier.


The US government attempted to sabotage the trip by putting Rodriguez, who has been decorated at the White House itself, and Walter on a no fly list.




Rodriguez (pictured above) and Walter are educating top Venezuelan officials on the evidence that 9/11 was a self-inflicted wound carried out by the military-industrial complex. They have also appeared on every Venezuelan television and radio station both private and state owned and have given huge presentations to major universities.


Upon visiting, Rodriguez said that the President of the Assembly, Nicolas Maduro's home was brimming with books, videos and documents about the 9/11 cover-up. Maduro, Venezuela's top legislator, intoned that he was ready to create an international investigative committee, looking into the "international crime scene" that is 9/11 and that this would be structured via Hugo Chavez's government.


Rodriguez and Walter are also set to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly broadcast 'Alo Presidente' - which is often subsequently the source of major international headlines. If there is no coverage of this event then we know for sure that a blackout order is in place.


Rodriguez and Walter offered their full support for Charlie Sheen's recent public stance on 9/11 and were heartened by his efforts. The potential of a government level inquiry endorsed by Hugo Chavez dovetails with Sheen's call for an independent investigation to be carried out by political foreign nationals.


Though the establishment media will no doubt seek to demonize Chavez as a militant with an axe to grind, this is an exciting development and the next step on the road to a genuine investigation that will seek to uncover the truth rather than hide skeletons and whitewash as was witnessed with the staged Kean committee.

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Belangrijkste stuk uit bovenstaande artikel.

Upon visiting, Rodriguez said that the President of the Assembly, Nicolas Maduro's home was brimming with books, videos and documents about the 9/11 cover-up. Maduro, Venezuela's top legislator, intoned that he was ready to create an international investigative committee, looking into the "international crime scene" that is 9/11 and that this would be structured via Hugo Chavez's government.


Rodriguez and Walter are also set to appear on Hugo Chavez's weekly broadcast 'Alo Presidente' - which is often subsequently the source of major international headlines. If there is no coverage of this event then we know for sure that a blackout order is in place.

Blijkbaar is het toch geen "paranoide conspiracy theorie meer die enkel op internet te vinden is" zoals de non-believers zoveel geclaimd hebben.

[Gun]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door exodus

Belangrijkste stuk uit bovenstaande artikel.

Blijkbaar is het toch geen "paranoide conspiracy theorie meer die enkel op internet te vinden is" zoals de (NON) believers zoveel geclaimd hebben.

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Foutje, is al aangepast.

[Pindar]

Ohhh wat gezellig he? Die k.politiek:

9/11 Scholars for Truth Member Murdered

'Michael Zebuhr, a Phd. student of Professor. Judy Wood (Mechanical Engineering, Clemson University), was murdered yesterday by a shot to the head in during a mugging in Minneapolis on Saturday, March 18th, 2006. Michael was very active in the 911 Scholars for Truth, and was a full member. The shooting was apparently unprovoked, as the victims complied with the two robbers demands with no struggle or resistance. A fund has been set-up for the victim's family.'

lVk: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread200408/pg1

Pin d'Ar

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Brief van een Amerikaan over 9/11, en hoe hij eerst geloofde wat de regering zei.

Like most Americans, I watched 9/11 in horror. Like most Americans, I believed the government's account. Like most Americans, I went on about my business.

Then one day I discovered something totally unrelated to 9/11. I discovered that our government was not enforcing US Immigration Law. I thought, how odd is this?!?! All 19 hijackers were here on visas and they had all expired by 9/11/01. How absolutely totally odd that we would not secure our borders; deport illegal aliens; and free our society from the ravages of illegal immigration and potential terrorists.


Then one day I discovered something else. I discovered that this President and the US Government had actually reduced border patrol funding after 9/11.


How absolutely incredible is that? Instead of beefing up border patrol and ICE and securing our borders and deporting illegal aliens...we were doing the exact opposite.


Whoa I said and thought what in the world is going on here?


Then I study the war in Afghanistan. The fact is the Taliban alerted US of an attack. The fact is no Afghan was involved. The fact is Osama and the Taliban had parted ways years earlier. The fact is no Afghan or Taliban money was involved in 9/11. The fact is Osama denied any responsibility for 9/11 twice after 9/11 and according to Islam, a Muslim never lies. Why would he lie about his great achievement? Most would not only take credit, they would demand credit for such an achievement. Yet, he didn't. Twice.
Then I discover that there was another reason the US Government might want to invade Afghanistan. A pipeline for UNOCAL. Aaaah, now this is beginning to make sense.


Then I discover in Iraq that prior to estalishing order; a government; holding elections...the USA Provisional Government in Iraq passes a law while bombs are still dropping and tanks are still rolling to establish GMO Farming in Iraq. Say what?


Then I check Afghanistan and the same thing happened in Afghanistan. And so I said again, "Say what?"


So then we all discover that there are no WMDs in Iraq. There are no mushroom clouds coming over America from Iraq. We learn the whole thing was a ruse.


We discover that there was no sponsorship or money traced to Iraq or Saddam over 9/11.
Then I start paying attention to the Patriot Act. Wow...not exactly a Patriot's act. It is a revocation of all freedoms act; in violation of our belief in due process of law.


So then for some reason my mind says, well wait a minute, just who exactly is the government saying was responsible for 9/11.
Then I see where so many other Americans have questioned this long before I did and are coming up with gaps; undisclosed crucial information; undisclosed evidence; lack of evidence; government theories without evidentiary conclusions; and a variety of truly bothersome failures.
Then I discover that the entire investigation including the writing of the official account of 9/11 was performed in less than 30 days. I said, "say what?" And that it was written by Michael Chertoff when he was head of the criminal division for the US Justice Department.


Then I remember that as I watched in horror at the trade centers collapsing how remarkably similar they were to an implosion as if they had been set with explosives to collapse. Yet I see in the official account a debunk of that. Why? Would not a combination effort using planes and explosives be an ideal method to bring these monstrous facilities to their knees once and for all? Why rule out explosives when the first effort to take down the centers involved explosives? Why not investigate?
Then as so many other gaps were pointed out by others which I ran across...suddenly...it hit me.


Wow. Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act. Then I stumble across the fact that the US Government had been trying to pass a Patriot Act since the Clinton years unsuccessfully but with 9/11..it zoomed through. Without 9/11 UNOCAL would not have their pipeline going through Afghanistan and the GMO companies would not have 2 new countries' food supply under their control. Without 9/11, we would not have invaded Iraq.
Suddenly everything started to smell like 5 day old fish.
Suddenly I realized, we never had a full and complete investigation of 9/11.
Suddenly I realized, wow...we need one right away.


I support Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones and all those brave Americans demanding a full complete independent investigation of 9/11.


We need to know the truth about 9/11. We need to know if others were involved. We need to know if 19 Arabs outsmarted the entire United States Government, our National Air Defense Systms, the Airlines, the FAA, the White House, the US Department of Defense, NORAD, NEADS and every aeronatical safeguard on the books...not once; not twice; not thrice; but 4 times. We need to know if that is true, why it is, and why everyone involved that day that didn't prevent this tragedy hasn't already been fired.

[democratsteve]

We need to know the truth about 9/11. We need to know if others were involved. We need to know if 19 Arabs outsmarted the entire
United States Government,
our National Air Defense Systms,
the Airlines,
the FAA,
the White House,
the US Department of Defense,
NORAD, NEADS and every aeronatical safeguard on the books...
not once;
not twice;
not thrice;
but 4 times. We need to know if that is true, why it is, and why everyone involved that day that didn't prevent this tragedy hasn't already been fired
De tekst geeft goed weer hoe het met de gemiddelde Amerikaan is gegaan sinds 9/11.
In eerste instantie denk je natuurlijk niet aan het opeenvolgend falen van opeenvolgende diensten.
Toen sommige Amerikanen in het begin riepen, "HOE is dit in hemelsnaam kunnen gebeuren???", was ook mijn eerste spontane reactie; "Tja, hoé hadden ze dit kunnen voorkomen???"
Wat weet een gemiddelde burger nu af van de Air Defense van de US?
Wat weet hij af van de normale procedures die ATC, FAA en Norad moeten volgen bij noodgevallen? Niets natuurlijk.
Tot je uiteraard info gaat zoeken over deze procedures.
Pas dan merk je dat niet enkel de Airport security, maar ook de ATC's én de FAA én Norad, achtereenvolgens niet één, niet twee, niet drie, maar vier keer NORMALE procedures straal hebben genegeerd!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAAROM? Is nooit een antwoord op gegeven.
Er is niet één medewerker die zich heeft moeten verantwoorden voor deze aaneenschakeling van "blunders" en niet één is nadien op de vingers getikt, laat staan ontslagen.
Sterker nog, de leiders van Norad zijn na 9/11 gepromoveerd.

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Als aanvulling op de punten van Steve hierboven:


http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/a...anomalies.html

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Deze opinie is een goed argument tegen diegene die zeggen dat men in inside job en NWO gelooft omdat men de waarheid niet onder ogen wil zien. De waarheid van inside job en NWO is minder comfortabel in het licht van het oude wereldbeeld.

As ironic as this sounds, I was much, much happier when I thought that Al Qaeda were behind 9/11. Ms. Hart's theory is the mirror opposite of the reality. The thought that our governments are killing us off is much more frightening than to think that terrorists are responding to our governments' foreign policies with the only means they have at their disposal - guerrilla warfare. When I believed that terrorists were responsible, my "world view" made sense. Now, everything is upside down, and it's difficult to know who to trust. I am much more frightened now than I was on the day of 9/11, and indeed the London bombings. Almost every aspect of my life has changed after learning of the truth of 9/11, and sometimes I wish I didn't know what I know now. When you learn of something like that, you have no choice but to face the many other elements that are related to it, such as the grander agenda of the New World Order, the Illuminati, PNAC, etc. You can't "unsee" these facts, and you are forever changed.

[PetSel]

Yups. Ik kan niet stemmen. Tenzij je al de opties nog eens post?

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door PetSel

Yups. Ik kan niet stemmen. Tenzij je al de opties nog eens post?

In post nr. 47 van mij op deze draad staan de opties nog eens terug vermeld.
(de admins willen de openingspost niet terug plaatsen)

[democratsteve]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door parcifal

Ondertussen blijkt wel dat optie 2 met een kleine 40% van de stemmen, veruit de meest populaire optie is :



Wil dat iets zeggen?
Ik vermoed van wel......

Wat wil dat dan zeggen volgens u?
Volgens mij toont dit gewoon aan dat de mensen hier in Europa minder bezig zijn met 9/11, (wat logisch is) en daardoor ook minder op de hoogte zijn van de hele zaak.
Ik ben wel de laatste om te gaan claimen dat de hoeveelheid mensen die iets geloven een waardemeter is.
U vindt dit blijkbaar wél relevant, maar wat doe je dan met de polluitslagen in de VS??
Want daaruit blijkt dat er wel degelijk een meerderheid is die gelooft dat de Bush regering (of leden ervan) betrokken waren bij de aanslag.

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Keane , hoofd van de 9/11 (cover-up) commisie heeft een speech gehouden waar hij zegt dat we allemaal bang moeten zijn van terroristen met suitcase-nukes, en dat de oplossing daarvoor is dat we allemaal biomterische id-tags moeten dragen. Het ligt er weer dik op.

In his speech to the throngs of students, Mr. Kean kept stressing his biggest fear...that the terrorists would smuggle a nuke into this country and set it off. He recommended biometric ID cards for everyone.

Het is ook interessant om te zien van waar Keane vandaan komt. Fingerprints van de NWO all over it.

Kean is a member of a New Jersey political dynasty going back to the 1800s; his grandfather, Hamilton Fish Kean, was an investment banker worth nearly $50 million (circa 1937!), and part of the Republican machine of J.P. Morgan. It goes without saying that Gov. Kean is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, he is a former chair of the Carnegie Corporation of New York, and on the board of many organizations, including the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the National Council of the World Wildlife Fund.

Link: http://www.infowars.com/articles/sep...university.htm

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Nog iemand met kennis van zaken die zegt dat 9/11 een inside job is.
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[SIZE=5]Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect[/SIZE]

Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks


Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 4 2006
The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.


Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret. flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security.
Bowman worked secretly for the US government on the Star Wars project and was the first to coin the very term in a 1977 secret memo. After Bowman realized that the program was only ever intended to be used as an aggressive and not defensive tool, as part of a plan to initiate a nuclear war with the Soviets, he left the program and campaigned against it.


In an interview with The Alex Jones Show aired nationally on the GCN Radio Network, Bowman (pictured below) stated that at the bare minimum if Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda were involved in 9/11 then the government stood down and allowed the attacks to happen. He said it is plausible that the entire chain of military command were unaware of what was taking place and were used as tools by the people pulling the strings behind the attack.




Bowman outlined how the drills on the morning of 9/11 that simulated planes crashing into buildings on the east coast were used as a cover to dupe unwitting air defense personnel into not responding quickly enough to stop the attack.


"The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise," said Bowman


"I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation."
Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, "If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney."
Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.
Bowman agreed that the US was in danger of slipping into a dictatorship and stated, "I think there's been nothing closer to fascism than what we've seen lately from this government."


Bowman slammed the Patriot Act as having, "Done more to destroy the rights of Americans than all of our enemies combined."






Bowman trashed the 9/11 Commission as a politically motivated cover-up with abounding conflicts of interest, charging, "The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash."
"There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk," said Bowman.


Asked if the perpetrators of 9/11 were preparing to stage another false-flag attack to reinvigorate their agenda Bowman agreed that, "I can see that and I hope they can't pull it off, I hope they are prevented from pulling it off but I know darn good and well they'd like to have another one."
A mainstay of the attack pieces against Charlie Sheen have been that he is not credible enough to speak on the topic of 9/11. These charges are ridiculed by the fact that Sheen is an expert on 9/11 who spends hours a day meticulously researching the topic, something that the attack dogs have failed to do, aiming their comments solely at Sheen's personal life and ignoring his invitation to challenge him on the facts.


In addition, from the very start we have put forth eminently credible individuals only for them to be ignored by the establishment media. Physics Professors, former White House advisors and CIA analysts, the father of Reaganomics, German Defense Ministers and Bush's former Secretary of the Treasury, have all gone public on 9/11 but have been uniformly ignored by the majority of the establishment press.
Will Robert Bowman also be blackballed as the mainstream continue to misrepresent the 9/11 truth movement as an occupation of the fringe minority?


Bowman is currently running for Congress in Florida's 15th District.

[Mephisto]

Zou het niet gewoon zo kunnen zijn dat die man die in Juni het WTC-complex overnam, dit allemaal heeft beraamd? Want afbreken van de torens zou simpelweg teveel weerstand oproepen. Misschien waren ze niet rendabel genoeg en was de verzekeringspremie voor een terroristische aanval hoog genoeg om dit plannetje te wagen..

[Herr Flick]

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Zou het niet gewoon zo kunnen zijn dat die man die in Juni het WTC-complex overnam, dit allemaal heeft beraamd? Want afbreken van de torens zou simpelweg teveel weerstand oproepen. Misschien waren ze niet rendabel genoeg en was de verzekeringspremie voor een terroristische aanval hoog genoeg om dit plannetje te wagen..

Dus ge gaat eerst 2 torens kopen van een paar miljard zonder eerst eens te zien wat dat opbrengt,

Ze vervolgens afbreken, voor ge eigenlijk een studie doet of dat wel mogelijk is alvorens te kopen, ... (en eigenlijk wete zowiezo dat het antwoord nee is... )

En als ge die 2 flaters van formaat begaan hebt, gade dan maar een terroristische aanslag, in scene zetten, met een paar duizend doden tot gevolg...

ja, ... da is over lijken gaan zeker. ...

[democratsteve]

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Dus ge gaat eerst 2 torens kopen van een paar miljard zonder eerst eens te zien wat dat opbrengt,

Neen. Je wéét dat ze niet rendabel zullen zijn.

Ze vervolgens afbreken, voor ge eigenlijk een studie doet of dat wel mogelijk is alvorens te kopen, ... (en eigenlijk wete zowiezo dat het antwoord nee is... )

Daarom dus dat hij ze niet heeft "afgebroken", wat té veel geld zou kosten.
In plaats daarvan heeft hij in z'n verzekeringspolis expliciet laten opnemen dat "vernietiging door een terreuraanslag" gedekt was. Zo hoefde hij ze niet af te breken.

En als ge die 2 flaters van formaat begaan hebt, gade dan maar een terroristische aanslag, in scene zetten, met een paar duizend doden tot gevolg...

Het zou dus wel eens een goed doordacht plan kunnen zijn geweest, ipv een flater van formaat.

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Ik kan Mephisto's berichten enkel lezen als hij gequote wordt omdat hij in mijn negeerlijst zit maar het is te hopen voor hem dat hij bovenstaande niet meent, want anders zou het wel een beetje te belachelijk zijn. Alsof Silverstein alles alleen geplant heeft.

[Mephisto]

...Alsof de teloorgang van Enron het idee was van enkele zakelijke kopstukken...
Ja, waarom niet?