Moslimleiders preken tegen terrorisme (UK)

parcifal · 2 april 2004, 09:23

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Moslimleiders preken vrijdag in heel Groot-Brittannië tegen terrorisme. Ze gaan daarmee in op een oproep van de Britse Moslimraad. De oproep volgde op een reeks aanhoudingen de voorbije maanden.

De politie pakte donderdagavond nog een verdachte op bij een razzia in de omgeving van de stad Crawley, niet ver van de luchthaven Gatwick bij Londen. De 27-jarige Brit was de vierde verdachte die de voorbije dagen in deze stad werd aangehouden. De anti-terreurpolitie pakte dinsdag in de regio Londen acht Britten van Pakistaanse afkomst op. Bij de invallen namen de agenten een halve ton kunstmest in beslag die als springstof kan worden gebruikt. De Britse Moslimraad zei dat het "overwegend positieve" reacties gekregen had op een oproep tot moskeeën om te helpen in de strijd tegen terreur. In de vrijdagpreken wordt gezegd dat terrorisme geen plaats heeft in de islam. Er werden boekjes gedrukt waarin Britse moslims op hun burgerzin worden aangesproken.

Een positieve evolutie en een stok in de wielen voor fundi's
die de terroristen afschilderen als strijders voor de 'islam'.

franke fritz · 2 april 2004, 14:10

het bewijs dat niet alle moslim's terroristen zijn.
maar nu moeten deze blokkers weer hun vakjes bijschaven. dat gaat hier nog voor problemen zorgen.

Weisse Wolf · 2 april 2004, 22:52

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het bewijs dat niet alle moslim's terroristen zijn.
maar nu moeten deze blokkers weer hun vakjes bijschaven. dat gaat hier nog voor problemen zorgen.

Laat u hierdoor maar niet in slaap wiegen. Er zijn altijd al "gematigde imams" geweest die handig inspelen op linkse intellectuelen en multiculturalisten om hun zaak verkocht te krijgen. Wake up!

circe · 2 april 2004, 23:34

De Deense veiligheidsdienst heeft imams uitgenodigd voor overleg over terrorisme. Die zijn enthousiast. ,,Mijn vijf kinderen groeien hier ook op.''

KOPENHAGEN - De Deense binnenlandse veiligheidsdienst (PET) heeft zo'n honderd imams uitgenodigd voor gezamenlijk overleg. De veiligheidsdienst, een afdeling van de Deense rijkspolitie, hoopt door samenwerking met de imams terrorisme beter te kunnen bestrijden.

Imam Mohamed Al Khaled Samha is blij met de uitnodiging. ,,Wij hebben niets te verbergen. Wij zijn gasten in dit land. Mijn vijf kinderen groeien hier op. De veiligheid van Denemarken is ook onze veiligheid.'' Als de veiligheidsdienst hem zou vragen om bepaalde personen in de gaten te houden, heeft hij daar geen moeite mee.

Imam Fatih Alev heeft daarentegen bedenkingen. ,,Een persoon met een zichtbare militante houding mag niet aan onze diensten deelnemen. Maar of ik zo'n persoon ook bij de veiligheidsdienst ga melden, wil ik eerst bespreken met mijn geloofsgemeenschap.'' Wel is ook Alev positief over de uitnodiging: ,,Wij zijn het PET verschuldigd om ze een inkijkje te geven in onze gemeenschap. Zodat ze kunnen zien dat er verschillen zijn tussen de moslimgemeenten onderling. In Denemarken bestaat geen overkoepelende moslimorganisatie. Wij zijn erg verdeeld. Dat is ook de reden dat we na de aanslag in Madrid niet met een gezamenlijke veroordeling naar buiten traden.'' De imams veroordeelden de aanslag in Madrid pas na een week en niet nadat de christen-democraten felle kritiek uitten.

Operationeel leider van de Deense veiligheidsdienst, Hans Jörgen Bonnichsen, onderstreept dat de uitnodiging aan de imams niet het gevolg is van concrete dreigingen, maar verband houdt met de veranderde situatie na de aanslag in Madrid.

Kort na de aanslag in Madrid deed PET een oproep tot verhoogde waakzaamheid door 'het activeren van zoveel mogelijk ogen en oren'. Onlangs bleek dat een in Denemarken wonende moslim valse Deense paspoorten heeft geleverd aan de Spaanse Al-Kaida-cel van Imad Yarkas (ook bekend als Abu Dahdah). Ook zou een aantal Marokkanen in Denemarken telefonische contacten hebben gehad met de vermoedelijke daders van de aanslag in Madrid.

In december vorig jaar publiceerde de Deense veiligheidsdienst zijn eerste openbare jaarrapport. In dit rapport over 2002 werd het risico voor een terreurdaad in Denemarken ingeschat als 'relatief laag'. De alarmfase is sindsdien niet verhoogd.

,,De tendens bestaat om gelovige moslims te identificeren met potentiële terroristen. Het is in het belang van beide partijen om te onderstrepen dat dit niet klopt met de werkelijkheid. Onze aandacht gaat uit naar personen die banden hebben met terreurorganisaties of daarmee sympathiseren. Dat die personen zich toevallig in moslimkringen bevinden, betekent niet dat we alle moslims verdenken'', aldus Bonnichsen, die geen concrete voorbeelden wil geven over de samenwerking. Wel meldt hij verrast te zijn door de positieve reacties: ,,Een paar imams belden ons zelfs op om te bedanken voor dit initiatief.''

Trouw * NL

filosoof · 3 april 2004, 00:52

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door wolf

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door franke fritz

het bewijs dat niet alle moslim's terroristen zijn.
maar nu moeten deze blokkers weer hun vakjes bijschaven. dat gaat hier nog voor problemen zorgen.

Laat u hierdoor maar niet in slaap wiegen. Er zijn altijd al "gematigde imams" geweest die handig inspelen op linkse intellectuelen en multiculturalisten om hun zaak verkocht te krijgen. Wake up!

Welpje,
Je boodschap is dus : als moslims gematigd en geïntegreerd zijn, zijn ze slecht en als moslims niet gematigd en niet geïntegreerd zijn, zijn ze slecht...de Kruistochten, dat is wel zo'n 750 jaar voorbij
Moeilijk, hé?

Hanne · 3 april 2004, 08:53

The Mini Taliban Factory

By Imran Hossain

What does “Taliban” mean? Taliban is an Arabic word that is a plural form of the word student who studies Holy Koran and Hadiths. Afghani Taliban, the pure (Pukka) Muslims on earth, existed for several years after Mohamed. We are so lucky; we had a great chance to see some fresh Muslims few years ago. These warm-blooded Muslims are gently trained and boosted by their spiritual masters in the factories. The biggest Taliban factories are the Arab-based “Madrasahs,” which are scattered throughout the Islamic kingdoms. Likewise, there are thousands of Taliban factories in the West. But, because of the western influences, the factories turn into small size that can be called “the mini Taliban factory.” The question is, “where are the factories located in the lands of Kaffirs?” These mini factories are nowhere but in many Masques, Islamic Learning Centres, and reserved rooms in universities & colleges. There is another question left, that is, “then who are the mini Taliban in the West?” The simple answer for that question is: the mini Taliban are the devout Muslims and hard-core Islamists who smoothly get energised in the mini factories.

Since I almost grew up in North America , please let me focus on its territories where I know hundreds of Muslims who are from around the world. I often talk to many Muslims and Islamists on the phone, and I sometimes meet them in their residences, Islamic Learning Centres, Masques, and many other places. Whenever I talk and meet them, I always discover 100% identical idea from almost all Muslims. Therefore, I get to know what most Muslims think and try to do. I never, however, get to hear from the factories about any progressive work that could be beneficial for USA or Canada . Today, I will be discussing the roles and ultimate goals of the mini Taliban for North America ( USA and Canada ). Now let’s see some of their (the mini Taliban) functions.

The roles:

a) Duties in the schools:

While attending in the universities and colleges, mostly international and newly immigrated Muslim students (basically from Middle East and Pakistan) build a “Muslim Association” beside their educations where the first job is to hunt down all Muslim names from the school catalogues (if possible) or any source.
The devoted Muslim students do not hesitate to go up to the people who are like Middle Eastern & East Indian and have kind of dark or brown skin colour. Then those Muslim students ask people’s full name. If the names sound like Muslim names, they try to pick, and they invite and want the fellows to join the Muslim Association.
When the loyal Muslim students obtain Muslim names, phone numbers, and addresses from the new people, they make a well-patterned list.
And then the Muslim students book a room or mini hall room in the Kaffirs’ universities and colleges for the Islamic performances and rituals where they invite other Muslims and Islamists.

b) Duties in both schools and other places:

Islamists advise every Muslim keeping 1000 feet away from Jews and not hanging out with the infidels, such as host Canadians and Americans.
Islamists want Muslim women to use Islamic dress code “Borkha (veil).”
Islamists suggest that all Muslim children should be raised in a 100% Islamic way.
If any person is a Jewish nominee, the Islamists produce and pass a significant advice to the listed or known Muslims not to vote a Jew. It does not matter whether the candidate is a good person or not, but his or her religion i.e. Judaism is very important to most Muslims.
Islamists ask all possible Muslims not to buy meats from the Kaffirs’ stores like Safeways, Superstores, Loblaws, etc. because the fresh and hygienic meats are considered “Harram.”
Hard-core Islamists in the group particularly focus on Coca Cola, MacDonald’s, and KFC to boycott them because they are American products.
Islamists frequently discuss to blacklist all types of American and British products, mostly American ones. It seems to be so funny to me that any Muslim or civilised person can never be able to quit US and UK products.
Islamists and other Muslims evaluate the problems for only Kashmiri, Palestinian, and other Muslim brothers and sisters.
Islamists hand out the Salat and fasting schedules to the Muslims as many as possible.
Some of the Muslim students and young Islamists know computer programming (Kaffirs’ one of the greatest inventions). Thus, they make hundreds of Islamic programs, mini software, and files (like Islamic miracles, lucky words, etc.), and then they send and forward these Islamic computing-products via e-mails to the people with Muslim names.
Young-adult Islamists and Muslim students are excited as well. They can't wait to build hundreds of Islamic websites to brag out Islam is a good and true religion.

Some questions to consider:

1) In the universities and colleges, is any “Muslim Association” concerned about the improvement of the schools, or do these organisations usually participate in the school-development programmes? The answer is negative.

2) Do the “Muslim Associations” and other Islamists ever discuss about the progress of USA or Canada where they live? OOOh!! Never.

3) Do Islamists feel sympathy and talk about it in the Mosques and Islamic Centres or anywhere when some Canadian or US soldiers die in any war? Impossible!! That is not Islamic.

4) Do Islamists or the devout Muslims ever protest for the Muslim women and non-Muslims when they are in the Islamic paradises the second and third class citizens respectively? NO!!! But, they raise their voice to upgrade Islam in USA and Canada without any challenge.

5) Do Islamists or Muslims ever grateful to the Kaffir officers who granted visa and immigration papers for USA or Canada??? No Never heard of. Muslims consider it to be their right.

6) Do Islamists or Muslims ever pray for the Kaffirs in every Salat (prayer) in the Masques which are at least granted and partially funded by the Kaffirs of infidels, Jews, Christians, and so on? The Answer is big “NO." Mohammed prohibited praying for kafirs.

7) Did Islamists pray in the North American Mosques for the innocent Kaffir people who died in 11-September tragedy? Nope!!

8) Do Islamists or their organisations participate in any national and social work which they (Islamists) at least should do as residents or citizens of USA or Canada? I do not think so. (I find most Muslims busy in the Mosques and Islamic Centres discussing about Islam and Muslim brotherhood mostly at weekends and on the statutory holidays. I was amazed on Remembrance Day, 2003 when I went to a big Mosque. I found not a single Muslim pronounce a single word for those who fought and died in WW2. All I heard was the same stories of Islamic brotherhood).

Please consider these also:

Do all types of Muslims (mostly under 40) from every Islamic country prefer to settle in North America? Yes, virtually every one of them!
2. Is it true that many Muslims even pay thousands of dollars for the fake visas or passports just to get to North America. .Yes.

3. Do Islamists or Muslims want enjoy the good life in USA and Canada? Of Course! YES, who wants to miss this opportunity?

4. Is it true that Islamists or Muslims pledge allegiance to the Kafir lands to take in order to receive citizenship but really do not intend to keep that pledge and their allegiance remains with the ummah? YES.

5. Are American or Canadian Muslims concerned at all about their host country's well being or do they do anything patriotic that would benefit their host countreis? NO. .

6. Do the Islamists or Muslims want to establish Islam in USA and Canada? YES. Absolutely. No doubt about it.

7. Do they want and expect to rule USA and Canada as per Allah’s true words? YES. So, do those Islamists or Muslims break the words which they (Islamists) promise to US or Canadian government? YESSSS.

Now, can’t I (or any sane person) say that Islamists or most Muslims are betraying and cheating the US or Canadian govt. by dishonouring the oath? Then, can’t those Islamists or Muslims be called “betrayers?”

Dear readers please ask any Islamists or devout Muslims who reside in USA and Canada whether they want the Islamic light (noor) or not where they live. I bet my bottom dollar, all of them spontaneously reply you, “YES, OF COURSE, WHY NOT?” Here the Muslims have a higher expectation to get united and strengthen the Ummah to establish Allah’s best code of life in USA and Canada.

Well, let’s see some of the Islamic symbols if these were imposed in USA and Canada by the betrayers.

In general, primarily, the following things we might expect to experience:

1) All white and other ladies will be forced to use Borkhas (veils) and avoid skirts, tight jeans, shorts etc. Also, no woman can ever show her beauty to the guys as per the Islamic rules.

2) All white and other ladies can not work in the workplaces and attend in the class rooms with boys.

3) All white and other non-Muslims women will not be able to go out of their homes and hang out on the streets without any guy. If so, ladies will receive some Islamic punishments like “lashings.”

4) Obviously, liquor stores will not survive.

5) Hopefully, Mohamed’s language Arabic will be the prime language rather than Kaffirs’ language English and French (French i.e. in QB and NB, Canada).

6) FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) in USA will turn into IBI, that is, Islamic Bureau of Investigation, and RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) in Canada will become ICMP i.e. Islam Canadian Mounted Police. ICMP will act like “Muttawallee” (special type of police force that is to look after and impose Islamic laws to the common people).

7) Canada’s head of state is Queen Elizabeth 2; after the Islamic revolution, Allah will be the head of state of USA and Canada.

8) Islamists will build Mosques at every other block. As a result, we will hear loud Azan (prayer call) 5 times a day, 365 days a year. As well as, Islamic reciting (Khutba) will often reach to our ears beside loud Azan. (All of these exist in the Islamic soils).

9) Islamists will flood with full Madrasahs, Islamic Learning Centres, Tabligs (Islamic teaching) Centres, and Mazar Sharifs (e.g. Ajmir Sharif in India) as well.

10) Islamists will never authorise any organisations like NASA that plays with Allah’s mystery of universe and makes Muslims’ holy moon dirty.

11) Of course Islamists will NEVER tolerate Hollywood, so Islamists will instantly shut it down.

12) Financial institutions that offer credit card, mortgage, lease etc. will be eliminated by the Islamists because these financial products depend 100% on interest. Interest is Harram in Islam.

13) Islamists will soon drive out the Harram food items which are made of Harram pork like bacon, sausage, pepperoni, and so forth.

14) Islamic butchers will be ready to invade all meat firms to slaughter animals in the name of Allah to make meats 100% Halal.

15) Islamists will never allow semi-naked women in the lakes, sea beaches, and swimming pools. So, the sun-bath process, swimming, etc. in USA and Canada will permanently be locked for women.

circe · 3 april 2004, 09:09

Toch even een doordenkertje:

The principle of Al-Takeyya
The Arabic word, “Takeyya”, means, “to guard against.” The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one’s self or fellow Muslims. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

“Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Surah 3: 28

According to this verse it is acceptable for Muslims to use deceptive tactics. In violation to the teachings of Islam, they can pretend to befriend infidels. In situations where real or imagined harm is perceived they are permitted to display adherence with the ideals of those considered as infidels.

It is important to understand that Muslims take great liberty in expanding the perimeters of circumstances under which they are permitted to lie and to use deceptive tactics. When dealing with Muslim leaders it is essential to keep in mind that they can say or do anything that will get them out of trouble. All the while, they are apt to have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. With this in mind, in matters pertaining to war and international politics, there is a question that we need to ask ourselves. Can Muslim countries be trusted to play it fair and keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations?

It is imperative that our leaders not be naïve. They must understand that Muslims can use this loophole in their religion to absolve them from any accountability when they revert to deceptive tactics. They can unashamedly do so, as they adhere to Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, who was quoted as saying “War is a deception.” The Allah of Islam is described in the Quran as “the best of deceivers.” Surah 8:30.

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/...l#islamicbasis

Dilbert · 3 april 2004, 15:45

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Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door circe

It is important to understand that Muslims take great liberty in expanding the perimeters of circumstances under which they are permitted to lie and to use deceptive tactics. When dealing with Muslim leaders it is essential to keep in mind that they can say or do anything that will get them out of trouble. All the while, they are apt to have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. With this in mind, in matters pertaining to war and international politics, there is a question that we need to ask ourselves. Can Muslim countries be trusted to play it fair and keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations?

It is imperative that our leaders not be naïve. They must understand that Muslims can use this loophole in their religion to absolve them from any accountability when they revert to deceptive tactics. They can unashamedly do so, as they adhere to Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, who was quoted as saying “War is a deception.” The Allah of Islam is described in the Quran as “the best of deceivers.” Surah 8:30. [/i]

Sun Tzu, een Chinese generaal die 2500 jaar geleden leefde, zei het al:

"All warfare is based on deception."

Het zou getuigen van naieviteit die Imams te geloven op hun woord, terwijl de cultuur-oorlog met de moslim-cultuur volop woedt. Ik denk eraan om heel die oorlog eens grondig te analyseren door de ogen van Sun Tzu en von Clausewitz. Ik begin te vrezen dat we, zeker in Europa, aan het verliezen zijn.

filosoof · 3 april 2004, 15:51

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[size=1]The Mini Taliban Factory
By Imran Hossain

What does “Taliban” mean? Taliban is an Arabic word that is a plural form of the word student who studies Holy Koran and Hadiths. Afghani Taliban, the pure (Pukka) Muslims on earth, existed for several years after Mohamed. We are so lucky; we had a great chance to see some fresh Muslims few years ago. These warm-blooded Muslims are gently trained and boosted by their spiritual masters in the factories. The biggest Taliban factories are the Arab-based “Madrasahs,” which are scattered throughout the Islamic kingdoms. Likewise, there are thousands of Taliban factories in the West. But, because of the western influences, the factories turn into small size that can be called “the mini Taliban factory.” The question is, “where are the factories located in the lands of Kaffirs?” These mini factories are nowhere but in many Masques, Islamic Learning Centres, and reserved rooms in universities & colleges. There is another question left, that is, “then who are the mini Taliban in the West?” The simple answer for that question is: the mini Taliban are the devout Muslims and hard-core Islamists who smoothly get energised in the mini factories.

Since I almost grew up in North America , please let me focus on its territories where I know hundreds of Muslims who are from around the world. I often talk to many Muslims and Islamists on the phone, and I sometimes meet them in their residences, Islamic Learning Centres, Masques, and many other places. Whenever I talk and meet them, I always discover 100% identical idea from almost all Muslims. Therefore, I get to know what most Muslims think and try to do. I never, however, get to hear from the factories about any progressive work that could be beneficial for USA or Canada . Today, I will be discussing the roles and ultimate goals of the mini Taliban for North America ( USA and Canada ). Now let’s see some of their (the mini Taliban) functions.

The roles:

a) Duties in the schools:

While attending in the universities and colleges, mostly international and newly immigrated Muslim students (basically from Middle East and Pakistan) build a “Muslim Association” beside their educations where the first job is to hunt down all Muslim names from the school catalogues (if possible) or any source.
The devoted Muslim students do not hesitate to go up to the people who are like Middle Eastern & East Indian and have kind of dark or brown skin colour. Then those Muslim students ask people’s full name. If the names sound like Muslim names, they try to pick, and they invite and want the fellows to join the Muslim Association.
When the loyal Muslim students obtain Muslim names, phone numbers, and addresses from the new people, they make a well-patterned list.
And then the Muslim students book a room or mini hall room in the Kaffirs’ universities and colleges for the Islamic performances and rituals where they invite other Muslims and Islamists.

b) Duties in both schools and other places:

Islamists advise every Muslim keeping 1000 feet away from Jews and not hanging out with the infidels, such as host Canadians and Americans.
Islamists want Muslim women to use Islamic dress code “Borkha (veil).”
Islamists suggest that all Muslim children should be raised in a 100% Islamic way.
If any person is a Jewish nominee, the Islamists produce and pass a significant advice to the listed or known Muslims not to vote a Jew. It does not matter whether the candidate is a good person or not, but his or her religion i.e. Judaism is very important to most Muslims.
Islamists ask all possible Muslims not to buy meats from the Kaffirs’ stores like Safeways, Superstores, Loblaws, etc. because the fresh and hygienic meats are considered “Harram.”
Hard-core Islamists in the group particularly focus on Coca Cola, MacDonald’s, and KFC to boycott them because they are American products.
Islamists frequently discuss to blacklist all types of American and British products, mostly American ones. It seems to be so funny to me that any Muslim or civilised person can never be able to quit US and UK products.
Islamists and other Muslims evaluate the problems for only Kashmiri, Palestinian, and other Muslim brothers and sisters.
Islamists hand out the Salat and fasting schedules to the Muslims as many as possible.
Some of the Muslim students and young Islamists know computer programming (Kaffirs’ one of the greatest inventions). Thus, they make hundreds of Islamic programs, mini software, and files (like Islamic miracles, lucky words, etc.), and then they send and forward these Islamic computing-products via e-mails to the people with Muslim names.
Young-adult Islamists and Muslim students are excited as well. They can't wait to build hundreds of Islamic websites to brag out Islam is a good and true religion.

Some questions to consider:

1) In the universities and colleges, is any “Muslim Association” concerned about the improvement of the schools, or do these organisations usually participate in the school-development programmes? The answer is negative.

2) Do the “Muslim Associations” and other Islamists ever discuss about the progress of USA or Canada where they live? OOOh!! Never.

3) Do Islamists feel sympathy and talk about it in the Mosques and Islamic Centres or anywhere when some Canadian or US soldiers die in any war? Impossible!! That is not Islamic.

4) Do Islamists or the devout Muslims ever protest for the Muslim women and non-Muslims when they are in the Islamic paradises the second and third class citizens respectively? NO!!! But, they raise their voice to upgrade Islam in USA and Canada without any challenge.

5) Do Islamists or Muslims ever grateful to the Kaffir officers who granted visa and immigration papers for USA or Canada??? No Never heard of. Muslims consider it to be their right.

6) Do Islamists or Muslims ever pray for the Kaffirs in every Salat (prayer) in the Masques which are at least granted and partially funded by the Kaffirs of infidels, Jews, Christians, and so on? The Answer is big “NO." Mohammed prohibited praying for kafirs.

7) Did Islamists pray in the North American Mosques for the innocent Kaffir people who died in 11-September tragedy? Nope!!

8) Do Islamists or their organisations participate in any national and social work which they (Islamists) at least should do as residents or citizens of USA or Canada? I do not think so. (I find most Muslims busy in the Mosques and Islamic Centres discussing about Islam and Muslim brotherhood mostly at weekends and on the statutory holidays. I was amazed on Remembrance Day, 2003 when I went to a big Mosque. I found not a single Muslim pronounce a single word for those who fought and died in WW2. All I heard was the same stories of Islamic brotherhood).

Please consider these also:

Do all types of Muslims (mostly under 40) from every Islamic country prefer to settle in North America? Yes, virtually every one of them!
2. Is it true that many Muslims even pay thousands of dollars for the fake visas or passports just to get to North America. .Yes.

3. Do Islamists or Muslims want enjoy the good life in USA and Canada? Of Course! YES, who wants to miss this opportunity?

4. Is it true that Islamists or Muslims pledge allegiance to the Kafir lands to take in order to receive citizenship but really do not intend to keep that pledge and their allegiance remains with the ummah? YES.

5. Are American or Canadian Muslims concerned at all about their host country's well being or do they do anything patriotic that would benefit their host countreis? NO. .

6. Do the Islamists or Muslims want to establish Islam in USA and Canada? YES. Absolutely. No doubt about it.

7. Do they want and expect to rule USA and Canada as per Allah’s true words? YES. So, do those Islamists or Muslims break the words which they (Islamists) promise to US or Canadian government? YESSSS.

Now, can’t I (or any sane person) say that Islamists or most Muslims are betraying and cheating the US or Canadian govt. by dishonouring the oath? Then, can’t those Islamists or Muslims be called “betrayers?”

Dear readers please ask any Islamists or devout Muslims who reside in USA and Canada whether they want the Islamic light (noor) or not where they live. I bet my bottom dollar, all of them spontaneously reply you, “YES, OF COURSE, WHY NOT?” Here the Muslims have a higher expectation to get united and strengthen the Ummah to establish Allah’s best code of life in USA and Canada.

Well, let’s see some of the Islamic symbols if these were imposed in USA and Canada by the betrayers.

In general, primarily, the following things we might expect to experience:

1) All white and other ladies will be forced to use Borkhas (veils) and avoid skirts, tight jeans, shorts etc. Also, no woman can ever show her beauty to the guys as per the Islamic rules.

2) All white and other ladies can not work in the workplaces and attend in the class rooms with boys.

3) All white and other non-Muslims women will not be able to go out of their homes and hang out on the streets without any guy. If so, ladies will receive some Islamic punishments like “lashings.”

4) Obviously, liquor stores will not survive.

5) Hopefully, Mohamed’s language Arabic will be the prime language rather than Kaffirs’ language English and French (French i.e. in QB and NB, Canada).

6) FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) in USA will turn into IBI, that is, Islamic Bureau of Investigation, and RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) in Canada will become ICMP i.e. Islam Canadian Mounted Police. ICMP will act like “Muttawallee” (special type of police force that is to look after and impose Islamic laws to the common people).

7) Canada’s head of state is Queen Elizabeth 2; after the Islamic revolution, Allah will be the head of state of USA and Canada.

8) Islamists will build Mosques at every other block. As a result, we will hear loud Azan (prayer call) 5 times a day, 365 days a year. As well as, Islamic reciting (Khutba) will often reach to our ears beside loud Azan. (All of these exist in the Islamic soils).

9) Islamists will flood with full Madrasahs, Islamic Learning Centres, Tabligs (Islamic teaching) Centres, and Mazar Sharifs (e.g. Ajmir Sharif in India) as well.

10) Islamists will never authorise any organisations like NASA that plays with Allah’s mystery of universe and makes Muslims’ holy moon dirty.

11) Of course Islamists will NEVER tolerate Hollywood, so Islamists will instantly shut it down.

12) Financial institutions that offer credit card, mortgage, lease etc. will be eliminated by the Islamists because these financial products depend 100% on interest. Interest is Harram in Islam.

13) Islamists will soon drive out the Harram food items which are made of Harram pork like bacon, sausage, pepperoni, and so forth.

14) Islamic butchers will be ready to invade all meat firms to slaughter animals in the name of Allah to make meats 100% Halal.

15) Islamists will never allow semi-naked women in the lakes, sea beaches, and swimming pools. So, the sun-bath process, swimming, etc. in USA and Canada will permanently be locked for women.

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[size=3]Hanne,
Je weet hoe wantrouwig ik ben: ik deed enkele controles:
1)De tekst lijkt onwaarschijnlijk naar vorm (bij het vernoemen van Allah wordt de gebruikelijke aggekorte eerbiedsbetuiging niet vermeld, wat godslasterlijk is)
2)een Google query op The "Mini Taliban Factory " gaf: did not match any documents.

3)een tweede controle in Google met een zin uit de tekst gaf:
Your search - "5) Hopefully, Mohamed’s language Arabic will be the prime language " - did not match any documents.

4)Een derde query in Google gaf:
Your search - "13) Islamists will soon drive out the Harram food items which are made " - did not match any documents.

De tekst lijkt hoe langer hoe onwaarschijnlijker dus
Kan je ons de url mededelen die ontsnapte aan Google? Of welke bron je gebruikte, want een herhaalde echt groffe, godslasterlijke fout en het volledig missen van de tekst door Google vraagt om opheldering!

Voorlopig hou ik het op een mailing uit Canadese bron, waarschijnlijk door
ofwel een apostaat,
ofwel een White Power-groep

Gewoon haatproza dus.... Maar dat postte je hier wel herhaaldelijk....d�*�*rvoor kennen we jou

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filosoof · 3 april 2004, 16:10

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door circe

Toch even een doordenkertje:

The principle of Al-Takeyya
The Arabic word, “Takeyya”, means, “to guard against.” The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one’s self or fellow Muslims. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

“Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Surah 3: 28

According to this verse it is acceptable for Muslims to use deceptive tactics. In violation to the teachings of Islam, they can pretend to befriend infidels. In situations where real or imagined harm is perceived they are permitted to display adherence with the ideals of those considered as infidels.

It is important to understand that Muslims take great liberty in expanding the perimeters of circumstances under which they are permitted to lie and to use deceptive tactics. When dealing with Muslim leaders it is essential to keep in mind that they can say or do anything that will get them out of trouble. All the while, they are apt to have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. With this in mind, in matters pertaining to war and international politics, there is a question that we need to ask ourselves. Can Muslim countries be trusted to play it fair and keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations?

It is imperative that our leaders not be naïve. They must understand that Muslims can use this loophole in their religion to absolve them from any accountability when they revert to deceptive tactics. They can unashamedly do so, as they adhere to Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, who was quoted as saying “War is a deception.” The Allah of Islam is described in the Quran as “the best of deceivers.” Surah 8:30.

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/...l#islamicbasis

Dit is één interpretatie van het antwoord van Mohammed aan een vriend die in gevangenschap zijn godsdienst had verloochend om te overleven en zich daar schuldig of onteerd over voelde, waarop Mohammed hem antwoorde dat hij in dezelfde omstandigheden dat steeds mocht doen

In de talmoed komt hetzelfde voor, in lichtelijk verschillende vorm
.

Hanne · 3 april 2004, 16:33

Haha Filosoof, ben je gepromoveerd tot ayatollah?

Ga je nu al schreien omdat Alla's vereringsgezeik niet telkens achter zijn naam herhaald wordt? Hoog tijd ook voor jou om een inburgeringscursus te volgen.

'Godlasterlijke praat'

: Allah kan mijn g*t kussen Filosoof

!
Ga je nu een fatwah over mij uitspreken? Moet ik nu gaan onderduiken?

Wel Filo, die godlasterlijke haatpraat komt van EX-MOSLIMS.
EX-Moslims die de rede ontdekt hebben en hun hatelijk geloof achter zich gelaten hebben.
EX-Moslims die een website hebben opgericht waarmee ze hun EX-geloofsbroeders tot verlichting willen brengen en waar ze DE WARE AARD van de islam uit het doekje doen.
Heel deprimerende lectuur voor jou dus!
Veel moed .. moge Allah de verlichting over jou laten nederdalen.

Vergeet vooral de persoonlijke getuigenissen niet te lezen van moslims van over heel de wereld over de 'ware aard' van de islam.(zie 'Testimonials)

Bron : www.faithfreedom.org
[size=6]The movement of ex-Muslim secularists and humanists to lead Muslims out of faith of hate and into the fold of humanity[/size]

filosoof · 3 april 2004, 16:47

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hanne

Haha Filosoof, ben je gepromoveerd tot ayatollah?

Ga je nu al schreien omdat Alla's vereringsgezeik niet telkens achter zijn naam herhaald wordt? Hoog tijd ook voor jou om een inburgeringscursus te volgen.

'Godlasterlijke praat'

: Allah kan mijn g*t kussen Filosoof

!
Ga je nu een fatwah over mij uitspreken? Moet ik nu gaan onderduiken?

Wel Filo, die godlasterlijke haatpraat komt van EX-MOSLIMS.
EX-Moslims die de rede ontdekt hebben en hun hatelijk geloof achter zich gelaten hebben.
EX-Moslims die een website hebben opgericht waarmee ze hun EX-geloofsbroeders tot verlichting willen brengen en waar ze DE WARE AARD van de islam uit het doekje doen.
Heel deprimerende lectuur voor jou dus!
Veel moed .. moge Allah de verlichting over jou laten nederdalen.

Vergeet vooral de persoonlijke getuigenissen niet te lezen van moslims van over heel de wereld over de 'ware aard' van de islam.(zie 'Testimonials)

Bron : www.faithfreedom.org
[size=6]The movement of ex-Muslim secularists and humanists to lead Muslims out of faith of hate and into the fold of humanity[/size]

Ik ken de site: apostaten idd, zoals ik dacht. Dit zijn Iraniërs in ballingschap die (begrijpelijk) in verzet gegaan zijn tegen het regime van de Ayatollahs.... Dat ze daarbij een pars pro toto gebruiken tegen de ganse islam vindt niemand erg, vooral de CIA en de evangelische ea kerken niet....

Dus nee, ik ben geen ayatollah, zelfs geen gelovige in gelijk welk geloof

en gelijk welke god laat me compleet onverschillig! Ik haalde het slechts aan om te tonen waarom ik zeker was dat die tekst NIET uit islamietische bron kwam.
PS: ze hebben ook een NL stek...en de animatrice daarvan verschijnt hier wel eens onder de pseudo "Dutch"

PlastiekBeertje · 3 april 2004, 16:53

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door filosoof

Citaat:

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Hanne

Haha Filosoof, ben je gepromoveerd tot ayatollah? :D :D :D
Ga je nu al schreien omdat Alla's vereringsgezeik niet telkens achter zijn naam herhaald wordt? Hoog tijd ook voor jou om een inburgeringscursus te volgen.

'Godlasterlijke praat' :roll: : Allah kan mijn g*t kussen Filosoof :P !
Ga je nu een fatwah over mij uitspreken? Moet ik nu gaan onderduiken? :lol:

Wel Filo, die godlasterlijke haatpraat komt van EX-MOSLIMS.
EX-Moslims die de rede ontdekt hebben en hun hatelijk geloof achter zich gelaten hebben.
EX-Moslims die een website hebben opgericht waarmee ze hun EX-geloofsbroeders tot verlichting willen brengen en waar ze DE WARE AARD van de islam uit het doekje doen.
Heel deprimerende lectuur voor jou dus!
Veel moed .. moge Allah de verlichting over jou laten nederdalen. :P

Vergeet vooral de persoonlijke getuigenissen niet te lezen van moslims van over heel de wereld over de 'ware aard' van de islam.(zie 'Testimonials)

Bron : www.faithfreedom.org
[size=6]The movement of ex-Muslim secularists and humanists to lead Muslims out of faith of hate and into the fold of humanity[/size]

Ik ken de site: apostaten idd, zoals ik dacht. Dit zijn Iraniërs in ballingschap die (begrijpelijk) in verzet gegaan zijn tegen het regime van de Ayatollahs.... Dat ze daarbij een pars pro toto gebruiken tegen de ganse islam vindt niemand erg, vooral de CIA en de evangelische ea kerken niet.... :twisted:
Dus nee, ik ben geen ayatollah, zelfs geen gelovige in gelijk welk geloof :lol: en gelijk welke god laat me compleet onverschillig! Ik haalde het slechts aan om te tonen waarom ik zeker was dat die tekst NIET uit islamietische bron kwam.
PS: ze hebben ook een NL stek...en de animatrice daarvan verschijnt hier wel eens onder de pseudo "Dutch"

moeten die huhn islamitische verlichting hier komen doormaken (kerken bezetten en zo). als ze echt effect willen hebben moeten ze in Iran hun revolutie ontketenen.
Wij hebben dat een paar eeuwen ook moeten doen.

Hanne · 3 april 2004, 17:51

Filosoof liet weer ze beste selectieve kantje zien.
Het was dus blijkbaar te veel moeite om de testimonials te lezen. Dan zou duidelijk geworden zijn dat het om meer dan iraniërs gaat.
En wat dan nog? Hun getuigenissen als prooien van de achterlijkste der achterlijke islamitische regimes maken net dat zij een woordje kunnen meespreken over haatreligie, terwijl de ervaring van de wereldvreemde filosoof beperkt blijft tot wat 'google'n in z'n Brussels appartementje.
Kwa geloofwaardigheid halen de insiders dus wel de bovenhand en is de schizofrene islamo-peptalk van Filosoof enkel goed de prullemand.
Nu, dat heeft iedereen al veel langer dan vandaag door.

2 april 2004, 14:10	#2
franke fritz Schepen Geregistreerd: 23 maart 2004 Locatie: herent Berichten: 439	het bewijs dat niet alle moslim's terroristen zijn. maar nu moeten deze blokkers weer hun vakjes bijschaven. dat gaat hier nog voor problemen zorgen. __________________ cogito ergo sum

2 april 2004, 23:34	#4
circe Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 22 december 2002 Locatie: Antwerpen Berichten: 49.144	De Deense veiligheidsdienst heeft imams uitgenodigd voor overleg over terrorisme. Die zijn enthousiast. ,,Mijn vijf kinderen groeien hier ook op.'' KOPENHAGEN - De Deense binnenlandse veiligheidsdienst (PET) heeft zo'n honderd imams uitgenodigd voor gezamenlijk overleg. De veiligheidsdienst, een afdeling van de Deense rijkspolitie, hoopt door samenwerking met de imams terrorisme beter te kunnen bestrijden. Imam Mohamed Al Khaled Samha is blij met de uitnodiging. ,,Wij hebben niets te verbergen. Wij zijn gasten in dit land. Mijn vijf kinderen groeien hier op. De veiligheid van Denemarken is ook onze veiligheid.'' Als de veiligheidsdienst hem zou vragen om bepaalde personen in de gaten te houden, heeft hij daar geen moeite mee. Imam Fatih Alev heeft daarentegen bedenkingen. ,,Een persoon met een zichtbare militante houding mag niet aan onze diensten deelnemen. Maar of ik zo'n persoon ook bij de veiligheidsdienst ga melden, wil ik eerst bespreken met mijn geloofsgemeenschap.'' Wel is ook Alev positief over de uitnodiging: ,,Wij zijn het PET verschuldigd om ze een inkijkje te geven in onze gemeenschap. Zodat ze kunnen zien dat er verschillen zijn tussen de moslimgemeenten onderling. In Denemarken bestaat geen overkoepelende moslimorganisatie. Wij zijn erg verdeeld. Dat is ook de reden dat we na de aanslag in Madrid niet met een gezamenlijke veroordeling naar buiten traden.'' De imams veroordeelden de aanslag in Madrid pas na een week en niet nadat de christen-democraten felle kritiek uitten. Operationeel leider van de Deense veiligheidsdienst, Hans Jörgen Bonnichsen, onderstreept dat de uitnodiging aan de imams niet het gevolg is van concrete dreigingen, maar verband houdt met de veranderde situatie na de aanslag in Madrid. Kort na de aanslag in Madrid deed PET een oproep tot verhoogde waakzaamheid door 'het activeren van zoveel mogelijk ogen en oren'. Onlangs bleek dat een in Denemarken wonende moslim valse Deense paspoorten heeft geleverd aan de Spaanse Al-Kaida-cel van Imad Yarkas (ook bekend als Abu Dahdah). Ook zou een aantal Marokkanen in Denemarken telefonische contacten hebben gehad met de vermoedelijke daders van de aanslag in Madrid. In december vorig jaar publiceerde de Deense veiligheidsdienst zijn eerste openbare jaarrapport. In dit rapport over 2002 werd het risico voor een terreurdaad in Denemarken ingeschat als 'relatief laag'. De alarmfase is sindsdien niet verhoogd. ,,De tendens bestaat om gelovige moslims te identificeren met potentiële terroristen. Het is in het belang van beide partijen om te onderstrepen dat dit niet klopt met de werkelijkheid. Onze aandacht gaat uit naar personen die banden hebben met terreurorganisaties of daarmee sympathiseren. Dat die personen zich toevallig in moslimkringen bevinden, betekent niet dat we alle moslims verdenken'', aldus Bonnichsen, die geen concrete voorbeelden wil geven over de samenwerking. Wel meldt hij verrast te zijn door de positieve reacties: ,,Een paar imams belden ons zelfs op om te bedanken voor dit initiatief.'' Trouw * NL __________________ Waarom islam"fobie"? Betaalt U ook mee de religieuze halal taks die het terrorisme financiert? Kijk hoeveel er verdiend wordt met halal certificatie van dingen die totaal niet hoeven gecertificeerd te worden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVPngzSE94o

3 april 2004, 09:09	#7
circe Secretaris-Generaal VN Geregistreerd: 22 december 2002 Locatie: Antwerpen Berichten: 49.144	Toch even een doordenkertje: The principle of Al-Takeyya The Arabic word, “Takeyya”, means, “to guard against.” The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one’s self or fellow Muslims. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse: “Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.” Surah 3: 28 According to this verse it is acceptable for Muslims to use deceptive tactics. In violation to the teachings of Islam, they can pretend to befriend infidels. In situations where real or imagined harm is perceived they are permitted to display adherence with the ideals of those considered as infidels. It is important to understand that Muslims take great liberty in expanding the perimeters of circumstances under which they are permitted to lie and to use deceptive tactics. When dealing with Muslim leaders it is essential to keep in mind that they can say or do anything that will get them out of trouble. All the while, they are apt to have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. With this in mind, in matters pertaining to war and international politics, there is a question that we need to ask ourselves. Can Muslim countries be trusted to play it fair and keep their end of the agreements that they sign with non-Muslim nations? It is imperative that our leaders not be naïve. They must understand that Muslims can use this loophole in their religion to absolve them from any accountability when they revert to deceptive tactics. They can unashamedly do so, as they adhere to Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, who was quoted as saying “War is a deception.” The Allah of Islam is described in the Quran as “the best of deceivers.” Surah 8:30. http://www.islamreview.com/articles/...l#islamicbasis __________________ Waarom islam"fobie"? Betaalt U ook mee de religieuze halal taks die het terrorisme financiert? Kijk hoeveel er verdiend wordt met halal certificatie van dingen die totaal niet hoeven gecertificeerd te worden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVPngzSE94o

3 april 2004, 08:53	#6
Hanne Banneling Geregistreerd: 13 november 2003 Locatie: Vlaams-Brabant Berichten: 1.525	The Mini Taliban Factory By Imran Hossain What does “Taliban” mean? Taliban is an Arabic word that is a plural form of the word student who studies Holy Koran and Hadiths. Afghani Taliban, the pure (Pukka) Muslims on earth, existed for several years after Mohamed. We are so lucky; we had a great chance to see some fresh Muslims few years ago. These warm-blooded Muslims are gently trained and boosted by their spiritual masters in the factories. The biggest Taliban factories are the Arab-based “Madrasahs,” which are scattered throughout the Islamic kingdoms. Likewise, there are thousands of Taliban factories in the West. But, because of the western influences, the factories turn into small size that can be called “the mini Taliban factory.” The question is, “where are the factories located in the lands of Kaffirs?” These mini factories are nowhere but in many Masques, Islamic Learning Centres, and reserved rooms in universities & colleges. There is another question left, that is, “then who are the mini Taliban in the West?” The simple answer for that question is: the mini Taliban are the devout Muslims and hard-core Islamists who smoothly get energised in the mini factories. Since I almost grew up in North America , please let me focus on its territories where I know hundreds of Muslims who are from around the world. I often talk to many Muslims and Islamists on the phone, and I sometimes meet them in their residences, Islamic Learning Centres, Masques, and many other places. Whenever I talk and meet them, I always discover 100% identical idea from almost all Muslims. Therefore, I get to know what most Muslims think and try to do. I never, however, get to hear from the factories about any progressive work that could be beneficial for USA or Canada . Today, I will be discussing the roles and ultimate goals of the mini Taliban for North America ( USA and Canada ). Now let’s see some of their (the mini Taliban) functions. The roles: a) Duties in the schools: While attending in the universities and colleges, mostly international and newly immigrated Muslim students (basically from Middle East and Pakistan) build a “Muslim Association” beside their educations where the first job is to hunt down all Muslim names from the school catalogues (if possible) or any source. The devoted Muslim students do not hesitate to go up to the people who are like Middle Eastern & East Indian and have kind of dark or brown skin colour. Then those Muslim students ask people’s full name. If the names sound like Muslim names, they try to pick, and they invite and want the fellows to join the Muslim Association. When the loyal Muslim students obtain Muslim names, phone numbers, and addresses from the new people, they make a well-patterned list. And then the Muslim students book a room or mini hall room in the Kaffirs’ universities and colleges for the Islamic performances and rituals where they invite other Muslims and Islamists. b) Duties in both schools and other places: Islamists advise every Muslim keeping 1000 feet away from Jews and not hanging out with the infidels, such as host Canadians and Americans. Islamists want Muslim women to use Islamic dress code “Borkha (veil).” Islamists suggest that all Muslim children should be raised in a 100% Islamic way. If any person is a Jewish nominee, the Islamists produce and pass a significant advice to the listed or known Muslims not to vote a Jew. It does not matter whether the candidate is a good person or not, but his or her religion i.e. Judaism is very important to most Muslims. Islamists ask all possible Muslims not to buy meats from the Kaffirs’ stores like Safeways, Superstores, Loblaws, etc. because the fresh and hygienic meats are considered “Harram.” Hard-core Islamists in the group particularly focus on Coca Cola, MacDonald’s, and KFC to boycott them because they are American products. Islamists frequently discuss to blacklist all types of American and British products, mostly American ones. It seems to be so funny to me that any Muslim or civilised person can never be able to quit US and UK products. Islamists and other Muslims evaluate the problems for only Kashmiri, Palestinian, and other Muslim brothers and sisters. Islamists hand out the Salat and fasting schedules to the Muslims as many as possible. Some of the Muslim students and young Islamists know computer programming (Kaffirs’ one of the greatest inventions). Thus, they make hundreds of Islamic programs, mini software, and files (like Islamic miracles, lucky words, etc.), and then they send and forward these Islamic computing-products via e-mails to the people with Muslim names. Young-adult Islamists and Muslim students are excited as well. They can't wait to build hundreds of Islamic websites to brag out Islam is a good and true religion. Some questions to consider: 1) In the universities and colleges, is any “Muslim Association” concerned about the improvement of the schools, or do these organisations usually participate in the school-development programmes? The answer is negative. 2) Do the “Muslim Associations” and other Islamists ever discuss about the progress of USA or Canada where they live? OOOh!! Never. 3) Do Islamists feel sympathy and talk about it in the Mosques and Islamic Centres or anywhere when some Canadian or US soldiers die in any war? Impossible!! That is not Islamic. 4) Do Islamists or the devout Muslims ever protest for the Muslim women and non-Muslims when they are in the Islamic paradises the second and third class citizens respectively? NO!!! But, they raise their voice to upgrade Islam in USA and Canada without any challenge. 5) Do Islamists or Muslims ever grateful to the Kaffir officers who granted visa and immigration papers for USA or Canada??? No Never heard of. Muslims consider it to be their right. 6) Do Islamists or Muslims ever pray for the Kaffirs in every Salat (prayer) in the Masques which are at least granted and partially funded by the Kaffirs of infidels, Jews, Christians, and so on? The Answer is big “NO." Mohammed prohibited praying for kafirs. 7) Did Islamists pray in the North American Mosques for the innocent Kaffir people who died in 11-September tragedy? Nope!! 8) Do Islamists or their organisations participate in any national and social work which they (Islamists) at least should do as residents or citizens of USA or Canada? I do not think so. (I find most Muslims busy in the Mosques and Islamic Centres discussing about Islam and Muslim brotherhood mostly at weekends and on the statutory holidays. I was amazed on Remembrance Day, 2003 when I went to a big Mosque. I found not a single Muslim pronounce a single word for those who fought and died in WW2. All I heard was the same stories of Islamic brotherhood). Please consider these also: Do all types of Muslims (mostly under 40) from every Islamic country prefer to settle in North America? Yes, virtually every one of them! 2. Is it true that many Muslims even pay thousands of dollars for the fake visas or passports just to get to North America. .Yes. 3. Do Islamists or Muslims want enjoy the good life in USA and Canada? Of Course! YES, who wants to miss this opportunity? 4. Is it true that Islamists or Muslims pledge allegiance to the Kafir lands to take in order to receive citizenship but really do not intend to keep that pledge and their allegiance remains with the ummah? YES. 5. Are American or Canadian Muslims concerned at all about their host country's well being or do they do anything patriotic that would benefit their host countreis? NO. . 6. Do the Islamists or Muslims want to establish Islam in USA and Canada? YES. Absolutely. No doubt about it. 7. Do they want and expect to rule USA and Canada as per Allah’s true words? YES. So, do those Islamists or Muslims break the words which they (Islamists) promise to US or Canadian government? YESSSS. Now, can’t I (or any sane person) say that Islamists or most Muslims are betraying and cheating the US or Canadian govt. by dishonouring the oath? Then, can’t those Islamists or Muslims be called “betrayers?” Dear readers please ask any Islamists or devout Muslims who reside in USA and Canada whether they want the Islamic light (noor) or not where they live. I bet my bottom dollar, all of them spontaneously reply you, “YES, OF COURSE, WHY NOT?” Here the Muslims have a higher expectation to get united and strengthen the Ummah to establish Allah’s best code of life in USA and Canada. Well, let’s see some of the Islamic symbols if these were imposed in USA and Canada by the betrayers. In general, primarily, the following things we might expect to experience: 1) All white and other ladies will be forced to use Borkhas (veils) and avoid skirts, tight jeans, shorts etc. Also, no woman can ever show her beauty to the guys as per the Islamic rules. 2) All white and other ladies can not work in the workplaces and attend in the class rooms with boys. 3) All white and other non-Muslims women will not be able to go out of their homes and hang out on the streets without any guy. If so, ladies will receive some Islamic punishments like “lashings.” 4) Obviously, liquor stores will not survive. 5) Hopefully, Mohamed’s language Arabic will be the prime language rather than Kaffirs’ language English and French (French i.e. in QB and NB, Canada). 6) FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) in USA will turn into IBI, that is, Islamic Bureau of Investigation, and RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) in Canada will become ICMP i.e. Islam Canadian Mounted Police. ICMP will act like “Muttawallee” (special type of police force that is to look after and impose Islamic laws to the common people). 7) Canada’s head of state is Queen Elizabeth 2; after the Islamic revolution, Allah will be the head of state of USA and Canada. 8) Islamists will build Mosques at every other block. As a result, we will hear loud Azan (prayer call) 5 times a day, 365 days a year. As well as, Islamic reciting (Khutba) will often reach to our ears beside loud Azan. (All of these exist in the Islamic soils). 9) Islamists will flood with full Madrasahs, Islamic Learning Centres, Tabligs (Islamic teaching) Centres, and Mazar Sharifs (e.g. Ajmir Sharif in India) as well. 10) Islamists will never authorise any organisations like NASA that plays with Allah’s mystery of universe and makes Muslims’ holy moon dirty. 11) Of course Islamists will NEVER tolerate Hollywood, so Islamists will instantly shut it down. 12) Financial institutions that offer credit card, mortgage, lease etc. will be eliminated by the Islamists because these financial products depend 100% on interest. Interest is Harram in Islam. 13) Islamists will soon drive out the Harram food items which are made of Harram pork like bacon, sausage, pepperoni, and so forth. 14) Islamic butchers will be ready to invade all meat firms to slaughter animals in the name of Allah to make meats 100% Halal. 15) Islamists will never allow semi-naked women in the lakes, sea beaches, and swimming pools. So, the sun-bath process, swimming, etc. in USA and Canada will permanently be locked for women.

3 april 2004, 16:33	#11
Hanne Banneling Geregistreerd: 13 november 2003 Locatie: Vlaams-Brabant Berichten: 1.525	Haha Filosoof, ben je gepromoveerd tot ayatollah? Ga je nu al schreien omdat Alla's vereringsgezeik niet telkens achter zijn naam herhaald wordt? Hoog tijd ook voor jou om een inburgeringscursus te volgen. 'Godlasterlijke praat' : Allah kan mijn g*t kussen Filosoof ! Ga je nu een fatwah over mij uitspreken? Moet ik nu gaan onderduiken? Wel Filo, die godlasterlijke haatpraat komt van EX-MOSLIMS. EX-Moslims die de rede ontdekt hebben en hun hatelijk geloof achter zich gelaten hebben. EX-Moslims die een website hebben opgericht waarmee ze hun EX-geloofsbroeders tot verlichting willen brengen en waar ze DE WARE AARD van de islam uit het doekje doen. Heel deprimerende lectuur voor jou dus! Veel moed .. moge Allah de verlichting over jou laten nederdalen. Vergeet vooral de persoonlijke getuigenissen niet te lezen van moslims van over heel de wereld over de 'ware aard' van de islam.(zie 'Testimonials) Bron : www.faithfreedom.org [size=6]The movement of ex-Muslim secularists and humanists to lead Muslims out of faith of hate and into the fold of humanity[/size]

3 april 2004, 17:51	#14
Hanne Banneling Geregistreerd: 13 november 2003 Locatie: Vlaams-Brabant Berichten: 1.525	Filosoof liet weer ze beste selectieve kantje zien. Het was dus blijkbaar te veel moeite om de testimonials te lezen. Dan zou duidelijk geworden zijn dat het om meer dan iraniërs gaat. En wat dan nog? Hun getuigenissen als prooien van de achterlijkste der achterlijke islamitische regimes maken net dat zij een woordje kunnen meespreken over haatreligie, terwijl de ervaring van de wereldvreemde filosoof beperkt blijft tot wat 'google'n in z'n Brussels appartementje. Kwa geloofwaardigheid halen de insiders dus wel de bovenhand en is de schizofrene islamo-peptalk van Filosoof enkel goed de prullemand. Nu, dat heeft iedereen al veel langer dan vandaag door.