UN :150 stemmen tegen 6, ALLE 25 EU landen stemmen tegen , EU weer beschuldigd

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JERUSALEM (AFP) Israel vowed to continue building its West Bank barrier despite overwhelming condemnation in a UN General Assembly vote hailed as a watershed diplomatic victory by the Palestinians.

"The resolution adopted by the UN is aimed at depriving us of this security shield without offering us an alternative way of protecting ourselves against terrorism," said Dore Gold, a senior advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"We have every right to defend ourselves and are determined to construct this fence," Gold, a former ambassador to the United Nations, told AFP on Wednesday.

The general assembly voted by 150 to six late Tuesday, with 10 absentions, to endorse a recent non-binding world court ruling that said the barrier was illegal and that parts already built on Palestinian land should be torn down.

Assembly resolutions also have no legal force but represent the majority of world opinion, and the Palestinians scored a victory in getting the 25-member European Union to unite behind the measure. The United States was among the handful of states that voted against the resolution.

Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman, denounced what he called the "disgraceful support" of the EU nations, singling out France for particular criticism.

"France behaved in a particularly disgraceful fashion by acting for its Palestinian friends and convicing the other European countries to adopt this resolution," he told public radio.

The Palestinians said that the international community must not allow Israel to simply ignore the resolution, with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's top aide saying it was now time to consider the imposition of sanctions.

"It's the international community's responsiblity to persuade the Israeli government, which is still insisting that it will build the wall, to comply with its will," Nabil Abu Rudeina told AFP.

"We are asking the international community to impose sanctions on Israel if it does not comply with international law."

Negotiations minister Saeb Erakat said it was time that the international community stopped allowing Israel to act as "a state above the law."

"It (the UN resolution) confirms the illegal nature of the Israeli occupation and annuls all the measures in the Palestinian occupied territories, including east Jerusalem," he told AFP.

"The decision is a major victory for Palestinian diplomacy and the Palestinian people as well as Arab diplomacy."

Israel had already said that it had no intention of respecting the non-binding verdict by the International Court of Justice, arguing that the barrier is vital to defend itself against suicide attacks.

The Palestinians say its route, often jutting deep into the West Bank, shows its real intent is to preempt the borders of their promised future state.

The Palestinians are now likely to try and push the issue to a vote at the Security Council but the US is almost certain to use its veto power to block such a move.

[Sinistra]

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JERUSALEM (AFP) Israel vowed to continue building its West Bank barrier despite overwhelming condemnation in a UN General Assembly vote hailed as a watershed diplomatic victory by the Palestinians.

"The resolution adopted by the UN is aimed at depriving us of this security shield without offering us an alternative way of protecting ourselves against terrorism," said Dore Gold, a senior advisor to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

"We have every right to defend ourselves and are determined to construct this fence," Gold, a former ambassador to the United Nations, told AFP on Wednesday.

The general assembly voted by 150 to six late Tuesday, with 10 absentions, to endorse a recent non-binding world court ruling that said the barrier was illegal and that parts already built on Palestinian land should be torn down.

Assembly resolutions also have no legal force but represent the majority of world opinion, and the Palestinians scored a victory in getting the 25-member European Union to unite behind the measure. The United States was among the handful of states that voted against the resolution.

Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman, denounced what he called the "disgraceful support" of the EU nations, singling out France for particular criticism.

"France behaved in a particularly disgraceful fashion by acting for its Palestinian friends and convicing the other European countries to adopt this resolution," he told public radio.

The Palestinians said that the international community must not allow Israel to simply ignore the resolution, with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's top aide saying it was now time to consider the imposition of sanctions.

"It's the international community's responsiblity to persuade the Israeli government, which is still insisting that it will build the wall, to comply with its will," Nabil Abu Rudeina told AFP.

"We are asking the international community to impose sanctions on Israel if it does not comply with international law."

Negotiations minister Saeb Erakat said it was time that the international community stopped allowing Israel to act as "a state above the law."

"It (the UN resolution) confirms the illegal nature of the Israeli occupation and annuls all the measures in the Palestinian occupied territories, including east Jerusalem," he told AFP.

"The decision is a major victory for Palestinian diplomacy and the Palestinian people as well as Arab diplomacy."

Israel had already said that it had no intention of respecting the non-binding verdict by the International Court of Justice, arguing that the barrier is vital to defend itself against suicide attacks.

The Palestinians say its route, often jutting deep into the West Bank, shows its real intent is to preempt the borders of their promised future state.

The Palestinians are now likely to try and push the issue to a vote at the Security Council but the US is almost certain to use its veto power to block such a move.

Naar mijn mening heeft Groot-Brittanië zich onthouden of vergis ik me. Nu, blijkbaar buiten de Verenigde Staten en het moedige Australië zijn vele Europese landen blijkbaar vergiftigd door de Palestijnse propagandamachine van de leugenaar Arafat. Nu, Israël zal doorgaan met zich te beschermen tegen de Palestijnse terreur. De muur is er vooral gekomen door de onwil en het promoten van terrorisme door de Palestijnse autoriteit. Burgers in Israël moeten beschermd worden.

[bruut geweld]

geen probleem mee dat ze een muur bouwen eigenlijk


maar zelfs uit veiligheids overwegingen is er geen reden om die op Palestijns gebied te plaatsen.

Het is landpikkerij....en de wereld heeft dat zo goed als integraal afgekeurd.
dat heeft niets met voortrekken van palestijnen te maken, doch met het niet meer automatisch gedogen van alle akties een land wegens een bepaald verleden ....

[senator]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door bruut geweld

geen probleem mee dat ze een muur bouwen eigenlijk


maar zelfs uit veiligheids overwegingen is er geen reden om die op Palestijns gebied te plaatsen.

Het is landpikkerij....en de wereld heeft dat zo goed als integraal afgekeurd.
dat heeft niets met voortrekken van palestijnen te maken, doch met het niet meer automatisch gedogen van alle akties een land wegens een beplaad verleden ....

zolang de amerikanen de israeli's carte blanche blijven geven zal er spijtig genoeg niet veel veranderen vrees ik.

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zolang de amerikanen de israeli's carte blanche blijven geven zal er spijtig genoeg niet veel veranderen vrees ik.

inderdaad...daarom dat gekken zoals een sharon en co kunnen doorgaan .
ze zijn immers gewend om gelijk te krijgen
een mooi staaltje hebben we nog gezien met de oproep aan franse joden en frankrijk als anti semitisch af te schilderen .
nu wordt dit weer gedaan bij de recente un beslissing.
Ze zijn er zich niet van bewust hoe slecht en beschuldigend dit overkomt bij de europese bevolking.

en dan krijgen ze dergelijke verrassingen natuurlijk.
sindsdien vliegen de anti semitisiche verwijten naar de Eu en masse...

en dat werkt ook niet bevorderlijk... integendeel

[eniotna]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Timmeke

Naar mijn mening heeft Groot-Brittanië zich onthouden of vergis ik me. Nu, blijkbaar buiten de Verenigde Staten en het moedige Australië zijn vele Europese landen blijkbaar vergiftigd door de Palestijnse propagandamachine van de leugenaar Arafat. Nu, Israël zal doorgaan met zich te beschermen tegen de Palestijnse terreur. De muur is er vooral gekomen door de onwil en het promoten van terrorisme door de Palestijnse autoriteit. Burgers in Israël moeten beschermd worden.

Het word nu ook eens tijd dat de Palestijnen zich kunnen verdedigen van de Israëlische soldaten.

[tabufferkwa]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Timmeke

Naar mijn mening heeft Groot-Brittanië zich onthouden of vergis ik me. Nu, blijkbaar buiten de Verenigde Staten en het moedige Australië zijn vele Europese landen blijkbaar vergiftigd door de Palestijnse propagandamachine van de leugenaar Arafat. Nu, Israël zal doorgaan met zich te beschermen tegen de Palestijnse terreur. De muur is er vooral gekomen door de onwil en het promoten van terrorisme door de Palestijnse autoriteit. Burgers in Israël moeten beschermd worden.

Timmeken, je hebt volledig gelijk en Israel, noch Sharon zullen er zich iets van aantrekken. Terwijl een genocide aan de gang is in Sudan, zitten ze daar over een hekje te zeveren, gewoon omdat ze bang zijn van de Islam en blijven ze monddood over Sudan. Dat laat nog eens zien dat de VN een zuiver propaganda spul is van de derde wereldlanden met hun dictators en Europa zich er bij neerlegt.

Hier een paar andere hekken, niet eens om de veiligheid van de burgers te beschermen. Maar ja volgens sommigen (en ook hier op dit forum) mag het leven van joden niet beschermd worden. Met hetzelfde brutaal geruis wordt trouwens het unicum van de holocaust aangekaart. De Shoah gaan vergelijken met andere genocides is opzichzelf al een banalizering, want welke genocide werd op industriele wijze uitgevoerd met volle konvoiien van treine, gaskamers enz...? Degene die zogezegd verontwaardingd zijn over twee maten en gewichten over genocides zijn dus DUIDELIJK niet verontwaardigd door de Shoah en trachten het op eender welke wijze te banalizeren. Er zijn er zelfs die dat HIER als "wat zever" hebben beschreven.
Maar dat is niet meer in mijn handen




allen te vinden op
http://www.take-a-pen.org/english/Fences.htm

Maar er is weer geen vuiltje aan de lucht

[tabufferkwa]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eniotna

Het word nu ook eens tijd dat de Palestijnen zich kunnen verdedigen van de Israëlische soldaten.

Ze hebben dat toch niet nodig. Ze laten zich toch al in pizzerias, cafés en restaurants ontploffen temidden van vrouwen en kinderen zoals hun islamgeleerden het hen aanleren.

http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]PA Indoctrination of Children to Seek Heroic Death for Allah - Shahada [/font]

The indoctrination of Palestinian children to seek Death for Allah - Shahada - has been PA policy since the start of the war in October 2000, the most prominent means being the indoctrination via music videos.


[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Best viewed with [/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Young Children Convinced of Death as a Shahid as Ideal:
Two 11 year old girls articulate their personal goal to Die for Allah - Shahada, explaining that “all Palestinian children” see Shahada because of its promised grand Afterlife, as more worthwhile than living. [PA TV June 2002][/font]

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Young children convinced of death of Shahid as ideal [PA TV June 2002]
Interviewer: You described shahada [martyrdom] as something beautiful.
Do you think it is beautiful?
Child #1: Shahada is a very beautiful thing. Everyone yearns for Shahada. What could be better than going to paradise?
Moderator : What is better, peace and full rights for the Palestinian people or shahada?
Child #1: Shahada. I will achieve my rights after becoming a shahid [martyr]. We won’t stay children forever.
Moderator: Ok, Yussra, would you agree with that?
Child #2: Of course, Shahada is a good(sweet) thing. We don’t want this world, we want the Afterlife. We benefit not from this life but from the Afterlife. All Palestinians, not like other youth, are hot tempered, they choose Shahada, since they are Palestinian.
Moderator: Do you actually love death?
Child #2: Death is not Shahada.
Interviewer: No, I mean the absence after death, the physical absence, do you love death?
Child #2: No child loves death. The children of Palestine adopted the concept that this is Shahada. They believe that Shahada is very good. Every Palestinian child, say someone aged 12, says: O lord, I would like to become a Shahid.

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Palestinian Journalist to 7-yr olds:"Don’t be afraid to die".[/font]
[font=Arial] A Palestinian journalist asked a second grade child if he feared death. When the child hesitated, the journalist shook her head to signal that the correct answer was “no”, even for 7-year-olds. [PA TV Oct. 29, 2000][/font]

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Palestinian Journalist to 7-yr olds: “Don’t be afraid to die”. [PA TV Oct. 29, 2000]
Interviewer: You threw stones at the army and injured your leg. Will you throw again?
Child: Yes.
Interviewer: You’re not afraid to die?
Child: No.
PMW note: When the child hesitated about his fear of death, the interviewer shook her head “no”. (On video, followed by replay of this action)

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Farewell Letter Music Video[/font]:
[font=Arial] A young boy leaves a farewell letter to his parents and goes off to seek Death for Allah - Shahada - describing the death he aspires as “sweet.” This PA indoctrination clip is designed to offset a child’s natural fear of death, by depicting Shahada as heroic and tranquil. [PA TV 2001- 2003, repeatedly] [/font]

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Farewell Letter Music Video [PA TV 2001- 2003, repeatedly]
[The following are selections from the boy’s letter, which are sung accompanying scenes of the boy calmly heading toward his death]
"Don’t be sad my dear [father] And do not cry over my parting. my dear father, for my country, I sacrificed myself. Don’t be sad, my dear (father), And do not cry over my parting, my dear father, for my country I sacrificed myself. With determination and desire, I long to approach, How sweet is the Shahada[martyrdom], When I embrace you, my land! How sweet is the Shahada, when I embrace you, my land! My beloved, my mother, Dearest to me most, Be joyous over my blood and do not cry for me".

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"We Teach Children Shahada" - Head of Children's Org.[/font]:
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] In English, PA leaders have denied that they encourage their children to aspire to Shahada. However in Arabic, the PA continues to express pride in educating children to aspire to Shahada, portraying it as a national achievement. The Director of the Palestinian Children’s Aid Association candidly reiterated this PA educational policy, on PA TV. [May 4, 2003][/font]

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“We teach children Shahada”- head of children’s org. [May 4, 2003]
Firial Hillis, C.E.O. of the Palestinian 'Children’s Aid Association: "The concept of Shahada [martyrdom] for him[the child] means belonging to the homeland, from a religious perspective, sacrifice for his homeland. Achieving Shahada in order to reach paradise and meet his God. This is the best. We also to teach our children to protect the homeland, belonging, and to reach Shahada".

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Al Dura Calls Children to Follow him to Paradise - Clip[/font]:[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
Through a child actor, this music video portrays a delightful Paradise of Muhammad Al Dura, whose death in a crossfire was broadcast on TV. He is portrayed flying a kite, frolicking on the beach and even at an amusement park. The clip opens with the invitation to other children from Al Dura: "I am waving to you not in parting, but to say 'follow me'”. [PA TV Dec 25, 2000 [/font][font=Arial]and repeatedly since then[/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]][/font]

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Al Dura calls Children to Follow him to Paradise- Clip: [PA TV Dec 25, 2000 and repeatedly since then]
[The film-clip opens with the following invitation from Al-Dura displayed on the full screen]
“I am waving to you, not in parting, but to say, follow me...- Muhammad al- Dura"
Narrator: "How sweet is the fragrance of the Shahids. [martyrs] How sweet is the fragrance of the earth, its thirst quenched by the gush of blood flowing from the youthful body how sweet is the fragrance of the earth".
Vocalist: "The boy cried: O father, till we meet, O father, till we meet, till we meet, father, till we meet, I will go with no fear and without crying. How sweet is the fragrance of the Shahids. I will go, father, to my place in heaven. How sweet is the fragrance of the Shahids. O father, till we meet, O father, till we meet".

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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Yasser Arafat's Message to Children - "Be a Shahid":
Arafat explains that dead Palestinian children- Shahids - are “the greatest message to the world”. [PA TV Jan. 15, 2002] [/font]

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Yasser Arafat’s message to Children- “Be a Shahid”: [PA TV Jan. 15, 2002]
Interviewer: Mr. President, what message would you like to send to the Palestinian people in general, and, particularly, to the Palestinian children?
Arafat: The child who is grasping the stone facing the tank is it not the greatest message to the world when the hero becomes a Shahid [dies for Allah]?

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[bruut geweld]

de terechte verontwaardiging van de fransen tov de beschuldigingen

Absurd

The Jordan Times
20 July 2004

http://jordantimes.com/tue/opinion/opinion1.htm

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's call on Jews living in
France to pack up, leave their country and resettle in Israel is
an affront to both world Jewry and the international community
alike. While French Jews are not likely to accept Sharon's
invitation to pull up their roots and relocate themselves and
their children in Israel, the mere suggestion that Jewish people
everywhere should abandon their lives and start anew in Israel
simply because they are Jews is not only absurd, it's shocking.

At a time when international human rights norms call for
pluralism and multiculturalism as the new basis for existence
between races, religions and ethnic groups, what Sharon is now
advocating is a reversal of this trend of universality in favour
of divisions and separations between peoples on the basis of
religion. Israel has made it a cardinal principle of its policies
to encourage the regrouping of all Jews in the world in Israel.
The entire premise is evidence of a policy of discrimination at
the highest level.

Now out of some pathetic desperation Sharon is appealing to
French Jews to emigrate. By doing so and claiming that they are
falling prey to anti-Semitism is a slap in the face of France as
well as other democratic and pluralistic countries who have fought
for equality in their increasingly multicultural societies.

But if such a mass migration as Sharon proposed were to pass,
consider the demographics, the economic and social implications.
A gathering of the Jewish populations around the world would
account for many millions of people. For such a large number of
people to dislocate themselves from cities, towns and villages
they called "home" for decades and centuries to live in Israel
would be nonsensical.

The waves of Russian Jews who left the former Soviet Union to
seek "refuge" in Israel have found it quite difficult to adjust
to a new culture and way of living. The same holds true for the
Jews from Ethiopia who ran up against racial discrimination.
Employment and housing were genuine hurdles for these immigrants,
most of who were lured to Israel on promises of a "better life."
If what worries Sharon is the rise of anti-Semitism in France and
anywhere else in Europe, all he needs to do to reverse the tide
is to reexamine his policies that have stirred growing worldwide
criticism.

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(16) Sharon's call for French Jewish emigration is offensive, dangerous

The Daily Star
20 July 2004

http://dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?...0&categ_id=17&
article_id=6402

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's public call on Sunday for
France's 600,000 Jews to "immediately" emigrate to Israel is both
offensive and dangerous. It is firstly an affront to France, as
the French government has imposed serious measures to try to
further the secularization of the country in the face of increased
attacks on both Jews and Muslims in recent years. Secondly,
calling for mass Jewish immigration is not the solution to
Israel's basic dilemma or to easing tensions between it and the
Arab world.

The French government was right to call this plea, made to a
Jewish American association in Jerusalem, unacceptable and to
demand an explanation. France would stand to lose a significant
part of its multi-cultural identity, and such a move of French
Jews, if it were to occur, would not ease the problem of
anti-Semitism in Europe. In fact, it would give undeserved
self-satisfaction to anti-Semites. Tolerance and understanding of
other religious and ethnic groups is best established by
interaction and involvement, not by separation. Furthermore, that
anti-Semitism still exists in France and around the world shows
that the creation of Israel as a safe haven for Jews has not
solved the problem that gave birth to modern political Zionism in
the first place.

[solidarnosc]

Misschien moeten we de Palestijnen leren vechten zoals beschaafde westerlingen dat doen. Tapijtbombardementen, gifgasaanvallen, atoombommen. Nee, zelmoordaanslagen zijn ''onbeschaafd''. Nu, ik ben uiteraard ook tegen zelfmoordaanslagen maar omwille van politieke en niet moralistische redenen.

[Sinistra]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door bruut geweld

inderdaad...daarom dat gekken zoals een sharon en co kunnen doorgaan .
ze zijn immers gewend om gelijk te krijgen
een mooi staaltje hebben we nog gezien met de oproep aan franse joden en frankrijk als anti semitisch af te schilderen .
nu wordt dit weer gedaan bij de recente un beslissing.
Ze zijn er zich niet van bewust hoe slecht en beschuldigend dit overkomt bij de europese bevolking.

en dan krijgen ze dergelijke verrassingen natuurlijk.
sindsdien vliegen de anti semitisiche verwijten naar de Eu en masse...

en dat werkt ook niet bevorderlijk... integendeel

De meest Europese landen zijn na ineenstorting van het communisme steeds de pro-Arabische kaart beginnen trekken enkel omdat ze bang zijn dat de moslim-immigranten straatguerilla's in hun steden gaan voeren als ze hun zin niet krijgen. De Palestijnen hebben elk initiatief tot vrede met Israël steeds in de vuilbak gegooid gaande van "de verwijdering van de Joden bij het ontstaan van Isräel toen gepredikt door de grote mufti van Jeruzalem, de steeds wederkerende Arabische oorlogen tot het afwijzen van het vredesinitiatief van Barak en clinton in 1998. Ze hebben steeds hun eigen ruiten ingeslagen en die domme Europese politiekers hebben dit nog steeds niet door. Gelukkig zijn niet alle Europeanen zo, gelukkig maar!!!

[bruut geweld]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door solidarnosc

Misschien moeten we de Palestijnen leren vechten zoals beschaafde westerlingen dat doen. Tapijtbombardementen, gifgasaanvallen, atoombommen. Nee, zelmoordaanslagen zijn ''onbeschaafd''. Nu, ik ben uiteraard ook tegen zelfmoordaanslagen maar omwille van politieke en niet moralistische redenen.

we kunnen ze om te beginnen al een zelfde militaire steun geven die de Israeli's krijgen en dan kunnen ze tenminste op gelijke voet vechten.

helicopters, tanks en een heel goed uitgerust/getraind leger bestrijden terwijl je zelf geeneens een staat/infrastructuur hebt is nu eenmaal een onmogelijke zaak.

[Sinistra]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door eniotna

Het word nu ook eens tijd dat de Palestijnen zich kunnen verdedigen van de Israëlische soldaten.

Ik heb het altijd al geweten dat die Belgicisten liever het 14de lid werden van de Arabische Liga dan te behoren tot de Alliantie van het vrije Westen. Doe toch die vaandel weg man, je bent het niet waard om met die vlag te zwaaien.

[bruut geweld]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Timmeke

De meest Europese landen zijn na ineenstorting van het communisme steeds de pro-Arabische kaart beginnen trekken enkel omdat ze bang zijn dat de moslim-immigranten straatguerilla's in hun steden gaan voeren als ze hun zin niet krijgen. De Palestijnen hebben elk initiatief tot vrede met Israël steeds in de vuilbak gegooid gaande van "de verwijdering van de Joden bij het ontstaan van Isräel toen gepredikt door de grote mufti van Jeruzalem, de steeds wederkerende Arabische oorlogen tot het afwijzen van het vredesinitiatief van Barak en clinton in 1998. Ze hebben steeds hun eigen ruiten ingeslagen en die domme Europese politiekers hebben dit nog steeds niet door. Gelukkig zijn niet alle Europeanen zo, gelukkig maar!!!

dat ze zich verzet hebben tegen het ontstaan van israel lijkt me duidelijk.
ze waren geeneens gesprekspartner !!!
stel je even voor : Morgen beslissen de duitsers even om een duitse staat uit te roepen in antwerpen.... verzet lijkt me dan niet echt onlogisch !!!

en de meeste europeanen beginnen ECHT wel genoeg te krijgen van israelische agressie en verwijten... Dat is een realiteit die hun vertegenwoordigers terecht concretiseren in de UN

[Sinistra]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door bruut geweld

dat ze zich verzet hebben tegen het ontstaan van israel lijkt me duidelijk.
ze waren geeneens gesprekspartner !!!
stel je even voor : Morgen beslissen de duitsers even om een duitse staat uit te roepen in antwerpen.... verzet lijkt me dan niet echt onlogisch !!!

en de meeste europeanen beginnen ECHT wel genoeg te krijgen van israelische agressie en verwijten... Dat is een realiteit die hun vertegenwoordigers terecht concretiseren in de UN

Het land Palestina behoort al sinds eeuwen al toe aan de Joden. Zo staat het in elk geschiedenisboek. Vandaar heeft het Joodse volk zich verspreid over de gehele wereld. En voor de meeste Europeanen is het Israël-conflict een ver-van-zijn-bed show behalve mss voor een paar communistische dopprofiteurs of een bende gehersenspoelde fundamentalisten. Na de aanslagen in Madrid zijn vélé Europeanen de Israëlische situatie méér en méér gaan begrijpen dat hoor ik dagelijks in mijn omgeving.

[tabufferkwa]

Zo is het al veel beter.


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Our initiative:
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Let's remove all fences in the world![/size][/font]

[font=Arial]To our big surprise we discovered that there exist some fences and barriers in the world, outside of Israel. Some of them even can be found at major UN members. Please help the world get rid of the fences and write to the heads of state and representatives to the United Nations. Here is a sample letter.[/font]

[font=Arial] [/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Source: www.healhunger.org/suffer01.htm [/size][/font] [font=Arial]First, we start with the fence between Mexico and the USA. There is really no need for this fence since the millions of illegal Mexicans in the United States do not commit suicide bomb attacks in American restaurants. Write to mr. Bush and mr. Powell today. (Nobody told them about this fence.)[/font]

[font=Arial][size=2] President George W. Bush[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Postal address[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]: [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington, DC 20500[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Fax[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]:[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2](202) 456 - 2883[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]E-mail [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]:[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2] [email protected][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]U.S. Secretary of State Collin Powell[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Postal address[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]: [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20520[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Fax[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]:[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2](202) 647 - 1533[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]E-mail [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]:[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2] [email protected] [/size][/font] [font=Arial] [/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Source:
[/size] [size=2]Globalization Along Our Border & In Our Backyard[/size][/font]

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Source: [/size] [size=2]David Bacon[/size][/font]

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[/size] [size=2]Cinco canastas o un plato de lentejas[/size][/font]
[font=Arial] [/font] [font=Arial]Then we continue with the fence between North and South Korea.
A totally useless fence since the regimes of both countries share the same democratic values. Remind their representatives about this:
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Permanent Representative of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to the UN ,820 Second Avenue, 13th Floor, New York, NY 10017
Telephone: (212) 972-3105/3106/3128, Telefax: (212) 972-3154 [/font]

[font=Arial] Permanent Representative of the Republic of Korea to the UN, 335 East 45th Street, New York, NY 10017
Telephone: (212) 439-4000, Telefax: (212) 986-1083[/font]


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[/size] [size=2]North Cyprus/South Cyprus Border[/size][/font] [font=Arial]A fence in Europe! Could it be? But those people live in peace! The fence between Cyprus and the Turkish occupied territory should be removed at once, not only opened during daytime.
Write about this to:[/font][font=Arial]
Permanent Representative of [/font] [font=Arial] Turkey[/font][font=Arial] to the UN, 821 United Nations Plaza, 10th Floor, New York, NY 10017
Telephone: (212) 949-0150, Telefax: (212) 949-0086
Permanent Representative of [/font] [font=Arial] Cyprus[/font][font=Arial] to the UN, 13 East 40th Street, New York, NY 10016
Telephone: (212) 481-6023/6024/6025, Telefax: (212) 685-7316 [/font]
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www.antipodeansabroad.com [/size][/font] [font=Arial]Another fence in Europe!
In Northern Ireland this time, where thanks to wise British policy, Catholics and Protestants live in peace together for centuries. Let's get rid of this fence! Write to Mr. Blair. He does not know of these fences in Belfast!

[/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Rt Hon Tony Blair MP, Prime Minister[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Postal address[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]: [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]10 Downing Street
London SW1A 2AA[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Fax[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]:[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]0207 925 0918[/size][/font]
[font=Arial] [/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Source: [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Grenzeloos[/size][/font] [font=Arial]This is a good fence, as friendly Dutch people know how to build. It is only meant to keep illegal immigrants from leaving the harbor area of Hoek van Holland. But the purpose is like any other fence: keep the wrong people out of your country.

Write to [/font][font=Arial][size=2] Minister President, J.P. Balkenende
Ministerie van Algemene Zaken
Postbus 20001
2500 EA Den Haag
Nederland
Fax +31-70 - 356 46 83
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[font=Arial] [/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Source: [/size] [size=2]The Tribune - India[/size][/font] [font=Arial]Now, this is really bad, A fence between 2 major United Nations members, India and Pakistan.
Look what is says at the website of Tribune:[/font][font=Arial][size=1]
A farmer with his bullock cart moves along the Indo-Pak border fence near Amritsar on Monday. He has agricultural land beyond the fence. — PTI photo[/size][/font][font=Arial]
Write your letter to :
Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the UN ,Pakistan House, 8 East 65th Street, New York, NY 10021 Telephone: (212) 879-8600, Telefax: (212) 744-7348
Permanent Representative of [/font] [font=Arial] India[/font][font=Arial] to the UN, 235 East 43rd Street, New York, NY 10017 Telephone: (212) 490-9660, Telefax: (212) 490-9656 [/font]
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[font=Arial][size=2] Anton Meres[/size][/font] [font=Arial]Another one in Europe! Is it possible? In Solana's own country! [/font] [font=Arial]Spain erected a barbed wired fence, guarded by soldiers, in Ceuta, on the border with Morocco, in order to keep illegal workers (without bombs) out of Spain. [/font]

[font=Arial]Write to:
[size=2]Presidente del Gobierno de España, José Mar�*a Aznar López, Complejo de La Moncloa, 28071 Madrid, fax 91-335-32-15 [/size][/font]

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[font=Arial][size=5]Saudi Arabia enrages Yemen with fence![/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2]By John R. Bradley in Sa'ada, Yemen[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2]11 February 2004 [/size][/font]

[font=Arial]Saudi Arabia, one of the most vocal critics in the Arab world of Israel's "security fence" in the West Bank, is quietly emulating the Israeli example by erecting a barrier along its porous border with Yemen.[/font]

[font=Arial]The barrier is part of a plan to erect what will be an electronic surveillance system along the length of the kingdom's frontiers - land, air and sea. The project, involving fencing and electronic detection equipment, has been in the planning stages for several years. It may cost up to $8.57bn (£4.58bn). Behind the plan is a deep-seated lack of trust in the Yemeni authorities' ability to arrest infiltrators before they make it into Saudi territory.[/font]

[font=Arial]Source: The Independent[/font]



[font=Arial][size=4]In Africa too:[/size]
[size=5]Electric Fence between Botswana and Zimbabwe[/size][/font]

[font=Arial]Residents living near the Botswana border with Zimbabwe have welcomed a move by the Botswana government to erect a 10-foot-high electrified fence to separate the two countries. Officially, the fence is to keep out livestock from Zimbabwe suspected of carrying foot-and-mouth disease but people are hoping it will block the path of thousands of illegal immigrants who are fleeing the political and economic turmoil in Zimbabwe.[/font]

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[font=Arial][size=4]Only after we get rid of all these fences, one could ask Israel not to build a fence that protects her citizens from Palestinian terrorists.[/size][/font]

[bruut geweld]

phiew ! de pro israel propaganda vliegt hier nogal !

[Sinistra]

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phiew ! de pro israel propaganda vliegt hier nogal !

Tja..tot uw grote frustratie zeker. Het hoeft niet elke kéér een antisemietische freak-show te zijn op dit forum niet???

[senator]

en deze?

write to:
Prime Minister Wen Jiabao
Guowuyuan
9 Xihuang-chenggen Beijie
Beijing-shi 100032
People's Republic of China

[Pascal L.]

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JERUSALEM (AFP)
"France behaved in a particularly disgraceful fashion by acting for its Palestinian friends and convicing the other European countries to adopt this resolution," he told public radio.

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