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Banneling
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Ik moet daar toch geen tekeningske bij zetten, zeker? Als spitsmuis, met mijn kop in de grond, had ik allang 'iets geroken'... |
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Banneling
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Een normale mens (nogal een geluk dat ik een spitsmuis ben) zou verwachten: 'Dat is nu groot nieuws!'. Heeft U hiervan één woordje op onze deskundige en neutrale nieuwsdiensten gehoord?... Green protteke! Zojuist op Canvas vroeg krak Bracke aan onze Minister van Buitenlandse Za(k)ken of hij niet vond dat Blair na de onthoofding van Bigley zijn ontslag niet moest indienen! Tja, van een neutrale vraagstelling gesproken! ![]() Siegfried Bracke zet objectieve journalistiek te kakken... Laatst gewijzigd door Chipie : 8 oktober 2004 om 19:57. |
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Banneling
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Misschien krijg ik straks toch nog een correcte uitleg van een correcte?!... Of dringt het bij die correcten niet door wat hierboven staat en doen ze zoals meestal ![]() |
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![]() Beste CHIPIE, blijkbaar zijn spitsmuizen ook selectief blind...
Onderstaande reactie plaatste ik al bij uw 2 eerdere topics met hetzelfde thema. Pas uw onderschrift aan of vervolledig het, uwe eigen kak inslikken klinkt erger dan het klinkt (zeggen ze bij de coprofagen-confederatie) << Laat me u vooral niet tegen houden om een mars op Parijs te organiseren, maar het betreffend artikel op Reuters ( http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....97&pageNumber=0 ) is ietske genuanceerder dan de lasterpraat in de Washington Post ( http://washingtontimes.com/national...23838-3146r.htm ) Rusland? Zhyrinovski is Rusland niet. Frankrijk? ne voormalige minister is Frankrijk niet. Zeer betwijfelbare bron (een stuk of 2 Irakese ex-spionnen) en er staan ook Amerikaanse burgers en firma's in dat verslag, maar die hun naam werd wegens juridische redenen niet vrijgegeven. Juist... >>
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Ik las net dat spitsmuizen kleine oortjes hebben die ze met een klepje kunnen afsluiten om ongewenst lawaai buiten te houden... Spitsvondig zijn ze wel, maar heel erg selectief. Zo blijkt nog maar eens.
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Banneling
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![]() En vooral uw vertrouwen blijven handhaven in dat frauduleus tam konijn en geen sancties eisen... En er mee akkoord gaan dat dit rapport verzwegen werd op onze neutrale nieuwsuitzendingen (als Bush of de VS in 't algemeen een 'scheet' laten, wordt het twintigmaal per dag vermeld)... Tja, uw geloofwaardigheid heeft bij mij ook een grote knauw gekregen... Het is duideljk te zien dat een spitsmuis meer vertrouwd is met tamme konijnen dan U ![]() Allez, ik kruip maar terug in mijn holleke, want ik heb schrik gekregen... Er zitten hier 'mensen' op dit forum die de democratie via een revolutie willen opleggen. U dient daar duidelijk niet voor te vrezen ![]() |
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![]() En maar naast de kwestie blijven he CHIPIE...
Ik wacht nog altijd op een antwoord op de terechte opmerkingen van JoeQpublic.
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Banneling
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![]() Trouwens zijn vermelde llink zegt: "We're sorry! The page you are looking for is not available" ![]() ![]() ![]() En wat vindt U ervan dat de nieuwsdiensten van de VRT er geen woord aan vuil gemaakt hebben? In De Standaard stond er nochtans een volledige pagina over in (ga nu niet zeggen dat een pagina van DS maar een halve pagina is, hé ![]() In de Nederlandse kranten werd dat trouwens ook overal vermeld, maar ja, Nederlanders dan zijn Europese Amerikanen, dus ook niet betrouwbaar ![]() |
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Banneling
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![]() Misschien even off-topic maar
als er 1 land is dat de VN liefst heeft zoals ze nu is : log, krachteloos en deels corrupt, dan is het wel de VS van Amerika. Stel u voor dat de VN écht macht kreeg en werkte als een efficiente organisatie. Dat zou niet bevorderlijk zijn voor de geopolitieke ambities van sommige texaanse farmers. ![]() Nu hebben ze wat ze willen : ze doen hun goesting op buitenlands gebied. (kost wel veel geld en mensenlevens, maar die hebben ze toch genoeg) En ze hebben een zwart schaap met maar 3 poten : de VN, dat ze kunnen beladen met alle zonden Israëls... |
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Geen nood, zal de artikels zelf copy-pasten. om te beginnen de bush-basher in loondienst van de Moonies, oeps, sorry, de hooggeachte journalist van de Washington Times. Saddam paid off French leaders By Bill Gertz THE WASHINGTON TIMES Saddam Hussein used a U.N. humanitarian program to pay $1.78 billion to French government officials, businessmen and journalists in a bid to have sanctions removed and U.S. policies opposed, according to a CIA report made public yesterday. The cash was part of $10.9 billion secretly skimmed from the U.N. oil-for-food program, which was used by Iraq to buy military goods, according to a 1,000-page report by the CIA-led Iraqi Survey Group. According to a section of the report on Iraqi weapons procurement, the survey group identified long-standing ties between Saddam and the French government. One 1992 Iraqi intelligence service report revealed that Iraq's ambassador to France paid $1 million to the French Socialist Party in 1988. The CIA report stated that the Iraqi ambassador was instructed to "utilize [the $1 million] to remind French Defense Minister Pierre Joxe indirectly about Iraq's previous positions toward France, in general, and the French Socialist party, in particular." In the late 1990s, Iraq also used an oil-purchasing voucher system through the U.N. oil-for-food program, which began in 1996 and ended in 2003, to influence the French to oppose U.S. initiatives at the United Nations and to work to lift sanctions, the report stated. The Iraqi Intelligence Service paid off French nationals by dispensing vouchers that allowed the holders to make hundreds of thousands of dollars in commissions by selling them to oil buyers. The payoffs help explain why the French government, along with Russia and China, opposed U.S. efforts in the United Nations in the months leading up to the March 2003 invasion, U.S. officials said. Iraqi intelligence agents also targeted French President Jacques Chirac, by giving gifts to a spokesman, two of his aides and two French businessmen, the report said. One Iraqi intelligence report stated that a French politician assured Saddam in a letter that France would use its veto in the U.N. Security Council against any U.S. effort to attack Iraq. Iraqi intelligence documents recovered in Iraq showed that the French citizens linked to the influence operation were "ministers and politicians, journalists and business people." "These influential individuals often had little prior connection to the oil industry and generally engaged European oil companies to lift the oil, but were still in a position to extract a substantial profit for themselves," the report said. Former Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz told the Survey Group that he personally awarded several Frenchmen "substantial" oil allotments. "According to Aziz, both parties understood that resale of the oil was to be reciprocated through efforts to lift U.N. sanctions or through opposition to American initiatives within the Security Council," the report said. The report named former French Interior Minister Charles Pascua as getting a voucher for 11 million barrels of oil, and Patrick Maugein, who received a voucher for 13 million barrels of oil. The report said Mr. Maugein, the chief executive officer of the SOCO oil company, was a "conduit" to Mr. Chirac. Michel Grimard, the founder of the French-Iraqi Export Club, received a voucher for 5.5 million barrels, and the Iraqi-French Friendship Society received vouchers for more than 10 million barrels. French oil companies Total and SOCAP were granted vouchers for 105 million and 93 million barrels of oil, respectively. The report stated that Iraq covertly purchased missiles and other military goods from Russia, Belarus, China, North Korea and South Korea. According to the report, illegal goods used in making weapons of mass destruction were sold to Iraq by companies in Jordan, India, France, Italy, Romania and Turkey. Conventional arms also were sold to Iraq by China, Jordan, India, South Korea, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Cyprus, Egypt, Lebanon, Georgia, France, Poland, Syria, Belarus, North Korea, Yugoslavia, Yemen, Russia, Romania and the Republic of China (Taiwan). The report said Saddam's regime obtained $1.5 billion from U.N. humanitarian contract kickbacks and $228.5 million in surcharges on U.N.-approved oil sales. Other oil smuggling provided the regime with $8 billion in cash outside of U.N.-approved oil sales, the CIA report reveals. Charles Duelfer, the director of the CIA survey group, told a congressional hearing yesterday that a "sizable portion" of Saddam's cash obtained from the oil-for-food program were diverted to the military, specifically the government-run Military Industrial Commission. "The funding for this organization, which had responsibility for many of the past [weapons of mass destruction] programs, went from approximately $7.8 million in 1998 to $350 million in 2001," Mr. Duelfer told the Senate Armed Services Committee. Mr. Duelfer said that during the period from 1998 to 2001, "many military programs were carried out — including many involving the willing export to Iraq of military items prohibited by the Security Council." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041007-123838-3146r.htm en dan de tekst van Reuters http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...7&pageNumber=0 ![]() ![]() Top News ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The Central Intelligence Agency has published hundreds of names of people, firms, political parties and government officials Saddam Hussein purportedly tried to buy off to get U.N. sanctions lifted. At the same time, Saddam and his government managed to amass some $11 billion through shadowy deals to circumvent the sanctions, first imposed in 1990 and lifted after the U.S.-led invasion a year ago, said the report, released on Wednesday. The report was part of a 1,200-page survey for the CIA by Charles Duelfer, a former U.N. weapons inspector, who concluded Iraq had no stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons or a nuclear arms program before the U.S. invasion last year. It was published on the CIA's Website: www.cia.gov. The former government's scheme included making deals with firms in Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen to acquire prohibited items, the report said. The published lists show how much oil individuals, political parties or firms from more than 40 countries purportedly were allocated and the names of the companies contract to lift oil on their behalf. The list cited names from France, Russia and China, all permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, which supervised the program. Accusations again emerged against Benon Sevan, head of the now-defunct U.N. oil-for-food humanitarian program that handled $67 billion. He is listed as a U.N. official, called Mr. Sifan, and has vigorously denied the allegations. The United Nations has said it had turned over all documents to an investigatory commission headed by Paul Volcker, the former U.S. Federal Reserve chairman. 13 SECRET FILES Others on the lengthy list include Russian ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky and his Russian Liberal Democrat Party, Charles Pasqua, a former French interior minister, Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri, the son of Lebanese President Emile Lahoud and the Peoples Liberation Front of Palestine. <<hier begint pagina 2>> The lists, parts of which had been published previously, were compiled from 13 secret files maintained by former Iraqi vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan and the former oil minister, Amir Rashid. But there was no independent verification. "We name those individuals and entities here in the interest of candor, clarity and thoroughness," the report said, adding that it did not "investigate or judge those non-Iraqi individuals." Several U.S. firms were on the list but their names were not released because of privacy laws. Iraq was under a sweeping U.N. trade embargo beginning August 1990 after it invaded Kuwait. The sanctions were lifted after the U.S. invasion. At the end of 1996, the United Nations and Iraq began the oil-for-food program that allowed Baghdad to buy civilian goods and sell oil to pay for them under U.N. monitoring. But since 1990, Iraq, openly shipped oil by truck to Jordan and Turkey, with the United States and others turning a blind eye. The report said oil deals with various governments generated over $7.5 billion for Saddam from the early 1990s until the start of the 2003 war. Iraq earned an additional $3 billion from kickbacks or surcharges on oil, smuggling and other schemes, the report said. Oil companies were forced to pay surcharges, which by late 2000 amounted to 25 to 50 cents per barrel, industry sources said at the time. Britain and the United States eventually stopped the practice by insisting U.N. oil prices be set retroactively to cut the surcharge. U.S. oil companies purchased Iraqi crude from middlemen rather from Baghdad. But by early 2003, the United States was consuming 67 percent of Iraqi crude, by far the largest buyer. var year = new Date() document.write('© Reuters ' + year.getFullYear() + ". All Rights Reserved." ); © Reuters 2004. All Rights Reserved. Lees gerust zelf en trek uw conclusies... Het feit dat Reuters een internationaal nieuwsagentschap is en de Washington Post slechts een regionaal blad en hun journalist al eerder in opspraak kwam, mag slechts ten dele meespelen in uw beoordeling. Citaat:
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Banneling
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![]() Of heeft U uw vrienden nog niet kunnen contacteren? ![]() ![]() Neruda zullen we straks wel zien, zeker?!... |
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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." -Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946) Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and Hitler's designated successor The second in command of the Third Reich |
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![]() CHIPIE,
deze url's http://washingtontimes.com/national/...3838-3146r.htm en http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...7&pageNumber=0 werken wel. Al gelezen? Gene commentaar?
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Banneling
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Echt (maar dan ook echt) te weinig tijd... |
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Banneling
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U vergist U... Ik haal de zaken niet door elkaar... Ik heb dat artikel letterlijk overgenomen van De Volkskrant, dat als volgt begon: Citaat:
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