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![]() Awel, wat hebben we nu...
Dat is niet de uitspraak van de een of andere linkiewinkie... Nee, deze voor velen beangstigende uitspraak komt van onze eerste burger, Herman De Croo... Tja, volgens de kopstukken van de VLD zal onze toekomst dus praktisch dezelfde zijn als die van de Moslims... Citaat:
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![]() 't Is te hopen dat ik nu wél een visum voor Libië krijg.
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![]() Ik hoop dat hij hierover toch nog een woordje uitleg geeft op televisie, want hoewel het een feit is dat het christendom aan belang verliest en de islam populairder wordt (wat op zich nog geen ramp is) lijkt zijn uitspraak mij weinig genuanceerd.
En wij moeten samenwerken met arabieren? Best, dat ze zich eerst eens deftig organiseren en overeen komen. Tot nu toe waren onze betrekkingen beperkt tot het verkopen van wapens en die vervolgens weer af te pakken. ![]() |
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[size=2] EURABIA[/size][/size][/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Updated: December/02/2004 [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=1][size=4]SUMMARY[/size][/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2] Since its beginning, the European foreign policy had been based on successive down up consensus. With the iraqui crisis, this consensus has exploded. An hurricane is storming Europe. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]We shall describe the situation and its causes and consequences. It could be said that the present situation is mainly due to the French policy. In fact, the genuine origins come up from the 70' with the beginning of a process that led to the present situation: The Eurabia. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]1-THE FACTS [/size][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]2-THREE VISIONS [/size][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]3-EURABIA [/size][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]4-CONCLUSION [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]1-THE FACTS[/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]The United kingdom, Spain, Italy, Denmark and the Eastern European countries stand on the same side as the United States. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]France, Germany and Belgium oppose to the war of liberation in Iraq and try to rally Russia, forming a new axis against the USA. What is more, France has brought troubles in NATO. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Of course the Iraqui problem was complex. The choice favouring the war was not obvious. It could had brought a debate into the democracies. We can conceive that a friend could give an advice: "Do not make this war, it does not seem a wise decision". If your friend goes on with his decision, it should be normal to say: "You do it against my advice: Good luck but do not rely on me because I have my own problems". This imaginary dialogue could had taken place between allies: No problem. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]In fact, France has not behaved like a friend giving an advice to another friend. The French Minister of Foreign Affairs has travelled all around the world for rallying countries against America and the United Kingdom. Whatever the diplomatic language, he behaved like an opponent. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]So, the iraqui problem is dividing Europe. In fact, this hurricane is just revealing some very deep differences about the vision of Europe, which were carefully hidden until now. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]1-THE FACTS [/size][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]2-THREE VISIONS [/size][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]3-EURABIA [/size][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]4-CONCLUSION [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4]2-THREE VISIONS[/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]There are in fact three different visions of Europe. The founding fathers were eager to create the unity of Europe as a second pillar of the western world. Their mission statement was to resist to the soviet threat and to extend democracy in the world. They thought that freedom had two pillars: One in the USA and the second in Europe. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][size=4]21-The founding fathers[/size][/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]The United kingdom, Spain, Italy and the Eastern countries such as Poland are presently the real legatees of the founding fathers. They believe that, as long as the arch of freedom will remain strongly established on the both sides of the Atlantic, our children will be shielded from any real threat. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]It must be underlined that this Atlantic vision is not the result of the Anglo-Saxon influence! it relies on blood ties and cultural links which are extended through the entire Europe: In a Latin country such as the South of Italy, you will not find a family that has not an uncle or a parent in the States. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]It's the same for the Eastern countries. They share this vision not only because they want to benefit from the US guarantee but also because they have strong popular links with America. Do not forget that Chicago is the second Polish town just after Warsaw. The same could be said about the baltic countries. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]In short all these countries could accept a larger integration, a common defense and foreign policy but they think that this new european superpower must weight in the same side of the balance than the USA. Look at the next drawing. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]DRAWING 1 [/size][/font] ![]() [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2] As you can see, Europe and USA are both in the same side of the balance. In the other side, there are the dictatorships and various totalitarisms: The European Union is not a counter-weight! [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Two french leaders, Jean Monnet and robert Shumann, were among the founding fathers. They would had certainly agree with the above conception. During the fourth Republic, the French policy was in accordance with this sheme. Unfortunately, with the overthrow of the fourth Republic and de Gaulle victory, France has entered in a new stream which explains the present situation. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][size=4]22-The German vision[/size][/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Today, Germany is associated with France but in fact it has its own vision. The german vision is a neutral Europe. It is not a non sense: you could imagine a neutral Europe on the Swiss model. Everybody would like to live in Switzerland: The standard of living are the higher in Europe, the democracy and freedom are strongly implemented, the Swiss Army is powerful and the citizens do not tolerate any insecurity. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Unfortunately, the German vision inspired by the greens and the pacifists would drive to insecurity and disorders. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Anyway, this German vision is only backed up by the socialists and the greens and we can expect that the country will quickly come back closer to the United kingdom, Italy, Spain and so on. The Germans do not care about any "idea of greatness". They just want to live in peace and to enjoy prosperity. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][size=4]23-The French vision[/size][/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Charles de Gaulle intended to restore to France a dominant role in international affairs. He was inspired by the Richelieu policy based on the idea to avoid any superpower. Consequently, he often contends the US policy. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]The present french policy is a legacy of de Gaulle. It relies on two ideas: To use Europe as a counter-weight of America and to develop an Euro-Arab policy in order to isolate the United States. ( Of course, this conception must be related to the French ideology and the present French situation: Go to where is France going) [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][size=3]221-Europe as a counter-weight[/size][/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]At the beginning, the gaullists were strongly opposed to the European building. For example, the only real tentative to set a common army was made in 1956 with the CED treaty and failed because the opposition in the French national assembly of the communists allied to the Gaullist party. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2] However, with the losses of its colonies, France could not weight any more in the international affairs. As a result, the gaullists got a very smart idea: " We shall use the building of Europe as a tool for maintaining the greatness of France"! [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]In daily life, dreams do not matter too much but in this case the gaullists tried to use the buiding of Europe as a counter-weight to America. Look at the following drawing. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]DRAWING 2 [/size][/font] ![]() [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2] This gaullist vision is yet inspiring the present french policy. Consequently, France constantly proposes a common defense and foreign policy but the real purpose is to create a counter-weight to the American power. Of course, the other european leaders cannot agree with such a goal: The two drawings show clearly the difference. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]What is more, it's an outdated policy inherited from confuse historic recollections ( Richelieu and the Treaty of Westphaly in 1648!). [/size][/font][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]These topics have nothing to do with the real world based on the alliance between the great democracies. A multipolar world as France plaid for it, should be a dangerous world. Go to real world and Globalization. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Het lijkt er op dat Decroo mooi in dit plaatje van de Franse Visie past. [/size][/font] [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2]Zie ook voor de rest : http://www.freeworldacademy.com/globalleader/hurri.htm [/size][/font] |
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Parlementslid
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![]() Erg objectief artikel Wreker.
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![]() Oh ja en als er niemand meer naar de kerk gaat is 1 moslim genoeg om meer mensen naar de moskee te laten gaan hoor . Dat zegt dus op zich, niks.
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Laat me even op de tekst zelf reageren: Citaat:
Frankrijk zogt steun voor hun standpunt, de VS voor hun, doodnormaal in een diplomatieke wereld, het gaat hiet over louter de VN, frankrijk heeft niet landen bedreigt om niet mee te werken (in tegenstelling tot de VS), het heeft niet de VS zwartgemaakt (in tegenstelling tot de VS) en het heeft zelfs gezegd dat ALS de VS kon bewijzen dat saddam niet meewerkte volgens de resouties of ze konden bewijzen saddam nog WMD wapens had ze met alle plezeir zouden helpen zoals in 91 toen ze tienduizenden soldaten daar hadden die meevochten naast de VS soldaten. Citaat:
De tekst is ook slecht geschreven, lijkt me van een studentje of zoiets.
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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." -Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946) Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and Hitler's designated successor The second in command of the Third Reich |
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Als iedereen zo positief zou ingesteld zijn als U,K9, dan zaten we in ons land met een tien miljoen kiekens.... ![]() Laatst gewijzigd door Chipie : 3 januari 2005 om 13:46. |
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Met 1 moslim in belgie kan die uitspraak van de croo waarheid zijn. Ach ja zo een beangstigend gedacht 1 moslim ![]()
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![]() K9 1 moslim in belgie?In mijn straat wonen er 81 moslims.En ik kan u verzekerren,het zijn varkens!
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![]() leer lezen zou ik zeggen . En als je toch bezig bent: word volwassen AUB.
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Ik zie nergens dat gesproken wordt over het vestigen van een dictatuur door Frankrijk, wel dat gesteld wordt dat Frankrijk sinds De Gaulle aanstuurt op een multi-polaire wereld waarin Europa een aparte rol speelt en daarvoor meent de moslimwereld nodig te hebben. Decroo zijn discours past hier toch perfect in? [font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=2][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=4][size=2] [/size][/size][/font][/size][/font]
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Ik vind dat Anatolië tot de EU mag toetreden zodra de Turkse bezetter zich heeft teruggetrokken tot achter de Kaukasus. Laatst gewijzigd door Wreker : 3 januari 2005 om 14:57. |
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En na die site eens bekeken te hebben en gezien van wat voor niveau het is heb ik het heel moelijk om die serieus te nemen hoor. Ik kan op enkele dagen iets deftiger in elkaar steken met enkele veel betere "opinies" . Citaat:
Dan gaat hij verder met het fabeltje van eurabia . Sorry hoor je reinste onzin natuurlijk, niet enkel negeert hij het hele concept van de EU, hij veralgemeent op verschrikkelijke manier en verzint er een hele geschiedenis bij. Citaat:
Frankrijk bijvoorbeeld hielp mee in 91 en wou meehelpen in 2003 indien de VS kon bewijzen wat ze beweerde. Is het frankrijk zijn fout dat de VS dat niet kon (en nog steeds niet kan?) Citaat:
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![]() Hola, 1991 golfoorlog nr 1 was een UNO-oorlog om Irak weer terug buiten Koeweit te krijgen.
Die oorlog werd trouwens gevoerd vanop Saudische bodem... Ik vind dat je die oorlog niet zomaar mag vergelijken met nr 2 die een puur Amerikaanse onderneming is. |
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![]() De Croo's uitspraak is, volgens mij, wel verantwoord in die zin dat sinds de christenen alsmaar meer wegblijven uit hun kerken, de moslims automatisch in de meerderheid zouden komen als moskeegangers.
Algemeen wordt aangenomen dat de hoofdreden voor de 2de golfoorlog de olie is. De hoofdreden van de tegenstanders van die oorlog is ook de olie, niettegenstaande ze maar al te graag het ontbreken van een VN resolutie aanvoeren.
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