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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." -Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946) Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and Hitler's designated successor The second in command of the Third Reich Laatst gewijzigd door k9 : 24 mei 2011 om 12:21. |
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Daarbij had bush gewoon de "northern aliance" kunnen steunen (zoals ze nu effectief deden) Citaat:
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Tegenvraag, wat waren de motieven van "Al Queda en ..." ? (vooral wat had ... bij een 9/11 te winnen ? ![]() Heb je er gevonden ?
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Je mag niet out of the box denken!!! je moet slikken wat u gegeven wordt en voor de rest zwijgen en zwoegen. Nu nog niet door?
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antwoord : Sheikh Mohammed said that the purpose of the attack on the Twin Towers was to "wake the American people up." Sheikh Mohammed said that if the target would have been strictly military or government, the American people would not focus on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people and America's self-serving foreign policy that corrupts Arab governments and leads to further exploitation of the Arab/Muslim peoples. You can find the above statement on page 11, as paragraph 15, under the heading "Purpose of the 9/11 Attacks" in Defense Trial Exhibit 941 from the trial United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui Criminal No. 01-455-A
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![]() Het is wel indrukweekend hoe je zo'n belangrijke vraag kan negeren. Je durft zefs geen antwoord geven omdat je weet dat het toch allemaal uit je duim komt.
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De motieven van al qaida en bin laden zijn duidelijk. Van de VS kan je er geen opsommen die de moord op enkele duizenden mensen verantwoord.
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![]() Euhm voor 9/11 ?
![]() Som die duidelijke motieven dan eens op waarom een wslk langjarige voorbereiding (én xx-maanden opleiding tot "brokkenpiloten" in de USA en Europa) met al dat risico ontdekt te worden ![]() En dat tijdens de uren waar talrijke "Fighters" al in de lucht hangen voor hun dagelijkse oefenvluchten ? En dat aan de oostkust waar de meeste militaire US-basissen in directe omgeving liggen (ook Navyschepen met vliegtuigen), en waar permanent AWACs radarvliegtuigen (ook die van de Navy) ook nog eens rondcirkelen ? Ook op doelen (Pentagon/Washington) waar (automatisch) luchtafweergeschut 24/24 actief staat ? Waar het luchtruim door de modernste 3D-radars bewaakt wordt, en waardoor ook het afzetten van een transponder en koersveranderingen niets veranderd aan de opsporing, eerder integendeel. Ik bedoel dus niet de algemenen motieven waarom er terroraanslagen (bermbom, andere zelfmoordbommen) zijn door zulke "organisaties" (soms ook individualisten), ik bedoel specifieke motieven waardoor vooral een ´hoopje Arabieren´ (15 van 19*) en enkele andere (1 Libanees, 2 VAE, 1 Egyptenaar) dachten dat ´9/11´ daar in het best bewaakte hol van de vijand bijna zeker ging lukken, en daardoor zelfs ~ 3000 onschuldige mensen het slachtoffer werden. (* Wslk waren meer uitverkoren terroristen opgeleid en voorbereid om tenminste enkele kapingen te doen lukken, of ze zover geraakten is een andere vraag...) Citaat:
Met enkele vergezochte mogelijke motieven voor 9/11 ben ik ook niet akkoord, daar niet van. Maar er zijn ruim voldoende aanwijzingen voor enkele motieven. Zeker de "publieke ligitimatie" Afghanistan te bezetten, Irak volgde... toch gelezen ? : http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=1391
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Ik bedoel zonder de gevolgen van 9/11 was resolutie 1368 nooit tot stand gekomen, dus Bin Laden en zijn kliek was zo stom een oorlogslegitimatie voor de USA uit te lokken tegen "eenderwelk Moslimland" waar zogezegd terroristen konden schuilen of camps hadden. Dat moest natuurlijk Afghanistan zijn. Want OBL zijn camps zijn daar al voordien beschoten geweest. En OBL wist dat maar al te goed, dus volgens mij en anderen ook zat OBL niet achter 9/11, er zijn trouwens ook nergens bewijzen gevonden voor zijn medeplichtigheid aan 9/11. Wel bij andere aanslagen ver buiten de USA. http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolut...renigde_Naties The Plan To Attack Afghanistan Critics have alleged that another possible motive on the part of the Bush administration was its desire to attack Afghanistan so as to replace the Taliban with a US-friendly government in order to further US economic and geopolitical aims. The 9/11 Commission does recognize that the US war in Afghanistan ? which began on October 7, less than a month after 9/11 ? was a war to produce "regime change". According to the Commission, however, the United States wanted to change the regime because the Taliban, besides being incapable of providing peace by ending the civil war, was perpetrating human rights abuses and providing a "safe haven" for al-Qaeda. In limiting the US motives to these, however, the Commission ignored abundant evidence that the motives were more complex, more self-interested, and more ambitious. At the center of these motives was the desire to enable the building of a multibillion dollar pipeline route by a consortium known as CentGas (Central Asia Gas Pipeline), which was formed by US oil giant Unocal. The planned route would bring oil and gas from the land-locked Caspian region, with its enormous reserves, to the sea through Afghanistan and Pakistan. By 2001, the Taliban had come to be perceived as an obstacle to this project. The Taliban was originally supported by the United States, working together with Pakistan's ISI. The pipeline project had become the crucial issue in what Ahmed Rashid in 1997 dubbed "The New Great Game."26 One issue in this game was who would construct the pipeline route ? the Unocal-dominated CentGas Consortium or Argentina's Bridas Corporation. The other issue was which countries the route would go through. The United States promoted Unocal and backed its plan to build the route through Afghanistan and Pakistan, since this route would avoid both Iran and Russia.27 The main obstacle to this plan was the civil war that had been going on in Afghanistan since the withdrawal of the Soviet Union in 1989. The US government supported the Taliban in the late 1990s on the basis of hope that it would be able to unify the country through its military strength and then provide a stable government. The centrality of this issue is shown by the title Rashid gave to two of his chapters: "Romancing the Taliban: The Battle for Pipelines."28 With regard to the United States in particular, Rashid says that "the strategy over pipelines had become the driving force behind Washington's interest in the Taliban."29 However, although the Kean-Zelikow Commission cites Rashid's well-known book several times, it makes no reference to his discussion of the centrality of the pipelines to Washington's perspective. From reading the Commission's report, in fact, one would never suspect that "pipeline war" (as it became called) was a major US concern. The pipeline project in general and Unocal in particular are mentioned in only one paragraph (along with its accompanying note). And the Commission here suggests that the US State Department was interested in Unocal's pipeline project only insofar as "the prospect of shared pipeline profits might lure faction leaders to a conference table". The United States, in other words, regarded the pipeline project only as a means to peace. That may indeed have been the view of some of the American participants. But the dominant hope within Unocal and the US government was that the Taliban would bring peace by defeating its opponents, primarily Ahmad Shah Masood ? after which the US government and the United Nations would recognize the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan, which in turn would allow Unocal to get the loans it would need to finance the project.30 The Commission's report, by contrast, suggests that neither the US government nor Unocal took the side of the Taliban in the civil war. The Commission tells us that Marty Miller, who had been in charge of the pipeline project for Unocal, "denied working exclusively with the Taliban and told us that his company sought to work with all Afghan factions to bring about the necessary stability to proceed with the project". As is often the case, the Commission's "exacting investigative work" consisted primarily of interviewing people and recording their answers. Had the Commission consulted Steve Coll's Ghost Wars, which the Commission quotes elsewhere, it could have learned that although "Marty Miller insisted publicly that Unocal remained 'fanatically neutral' about Afghan politics, " in reality "Marty Miller and his colleagues hoped the Taliban takeover of Kabul would speed their pipeline negotiations."31 Coll is here referring to September 1996, when the Taliban, heavily financed by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, took over Kabul, the capital, by forcing Masood to flee. As soon as this occurred, Rashid reports, a Unocal executive "told wire agencies that the pipeline project would be easier to implement now that the Taliban had capture Kabul."32 We are again left wondering if the Kean-Zelikow Commission's research was simply inadequate or if it deliberately left out information that did not fit its narrative. There is a similar problem with the Commission's statement about US neutrality. The Commission says flatly: "U.S. diplomats did not favor the Taliban over the rival factions but were simply willing to 'give the Taliban a chance'". Interviews are again the only support offered. Had the Commission consulted Rashid's book on this issue, it would have read that the United States "accepted the ISI's analysis...that a Taliban victory in Afghanistan would make Unocal's job much easier."33 Rashid also reports that "within house of Kabul's capture by the Taliban" ? when much of the country still remained under the control of other factions ? "the US State Department announced it would establish diplomatic relations with the Taliban."34 The lack of US neutrality is likewise shown by Steve Coll, who says: "The State Department had taken up Unocal's agenda as its own" ? which meant, of course, support for the Taliban.35 Rashid, summarizing the situation, says that "the US-Unocal partnership was backing the Taliban and wanted an all-out Taliban victory ? even as the US and Unocal claimed they had no favourites in Afghanistan."36 The Kean-Zelikow Commission, by contrast, simply gives us public relations statements of some of the US and Unocal actors, repeated in recent interviews, as actual history. Why is it important to point out this distortion? Because the Commission's portrayal of US interests in Afghanistan suggests that the United States had no imperialistic or crass material interests in the area ? the kind of interests that might lead a government to devise a pretext for going to war. This issue becomes more important as we move to the point in the story at which the United States comes to think of the Taliban as an obstacle rather than a vehicle of the Unocal (CEntGas) pipeline project. In July 1998, the Taliban, after having failed in 1997 to take the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, finally succeeded, giving it control of most of Afghanistan, including the entire pipeline route. After this victory CentGas immediately announced that it was "ready to proceed."37 Shortly thereafter, however, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were blown up, leading the United States to launch cruse missile strikes against OBL's camps in Afghanistan. These and related developments led Unocal to withdraw from CentGas, convinced that Afghanistan under the Taliban would never have the peace and stability needed for the pipeline project.38 Rashid, finishing his book in mid-1999, wrote that the Clinton Administration had shifted its support to the pipeline route from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey, adding that "by now nobody wanted to touch Afghanistan and the Taliban."39 When the Bush administration came to power, however, it decided to give the Taliban one last chance. This last chance occurred at a four-day meeting in Berlin in July 2001, which would need to be mentioned in any realistic account of how the US war in Afghanistan came about. According to the Pakistani representative at this meeting, Niaz Naik, US representatives, trying to convince the Taliban to share power with US-friendly factions, said: "Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs."40 Naik said that he was told by Americans that "military action against Afghanistan would go ahead...before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest."41 The US attack on Afghanistan began, in fact, on October 7, which was as soon as the US military could get ready after 9/11.42 The 9/11 Commission's discussion of what transpired in July is much milder. Some members of the Bush administration, we are told, were "moving toward agreement that some last effort should be made to convince the Taliban to shift position and then, if that failed,...the United States would try covert action to topple the Taliban's leadership from within". There is no mention of Niaz Naik or the meeting in Berlin. The Commission's reference to the fact that the United States wanted the Taliban to "shift position" does not mention that this shift involved not simply turning over OBL but joining a "unity government" that would allow Unocal's pipeline project to go forward. Nor does the Commission mention the statement by US officials that if the Taliban refused, the United States would use military force (not merely covert action). And yet all this information was available in books and newspapers articles that the Commission's staff should have been able to locate. In any case, there was still further evidence, ignored by the Commission, that the US war against the Taliban was related more to the pipeline project than to 9/11. For one thing, President Bush's special envoy to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad (mentioned previously as a member of PNAC), and the new Prime Minister, Hamid Karzai, were previously on Unocal's payroll. As Chalmers Johnson wrote: "The continued collaboration of Khalilzad and Karzai in post-9/11 Afghanistan strongly suggests that the Bush administration was and remains as interested in oil as in terrorism in that region."43 As early as October 10, moreover, the US Department of State had informed the Pakistani Minister of Oil that "in view of recent geopolitical developments," Unocal was again ready to go ahead with the pipeline project.44 Finally, as one Israeli writer put it: "If one looks at the map of the big American bases created, one is struck by the fact that they are completely identical to the route of the projected oil pipeline to the Indian Ocean."45 There is considerable evidence, therefore, that, in Chalmer Johnson's words, "Support for [the dual oil and gas pipelines from Turkmenistan south through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea coast of Pakistan] appears to have been a major consideration in the Bush administration's decision to attack Afghanistan on October 7, 2001" ? a point that Johnson makes apart from any allegation that the Bush administration orchestrated the attacks of 9/11.46 But the 9/11 Commission does not even mention the fact that many people share Johnson's view, according to which the US war in Afghanistan was motivated by a concern much larger than those mentioned by the Commission. This larger concern, furthermore, "was not just to make money," suggests Johnson, "but to establish an American presence in Central Asia." Evidence for this view is provided by the fact that the United States, besides establishing long-term bases in Afghanistan, had within a month after 9/11 arranged for long-term bases in Pakistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Uzbekistan.47 The United States could thereby be seen to be carrying out the prescription of Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, in which he portrayed Central Asia, with its vast oil reserves, as the key to world power. Brzezinksi, who had been the National Security Advisor in the Carter administration, argued that America, to ensure its continued "primacy," must get control of this region. The Bush administration's use of 9/11 to establish bases in several countries in this region provided an essential step in that direction. In The 9/11 Commission Report, however, there is no hint of this development. The United States simply wanted to stop the war, bring an end to the Taliban's human rights abuses, and prevent Afghanistan from being used as a haven for terrorists. In the world of the Kean-Zelikow Commission, the United States had no larger ambitions. The omission of Brzezinksi's book means, furthermore, the omission of an earlier suggestion that a new Pearl Harbor could be helpful. Brzezinski, having argued that the present "window of historical opportunity for America's constructive exploitation of its global power could prove to be relatively brief,"48 bemoans the fact that the American public might be unwilling to use its power for imperial purposes. The problem according to Brzezinski's analysis, is that: America is too democratic at home to be autocratic abroad. This limits the use of America's power, especially its capacity for military intimidation...The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the human sacrifice (casualities even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts. Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization.49 Brzezinski suggests, however, that this weakness in democracy can be overcome. Having said that "the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion," he then adds: "except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well being."50 What would make the American public willing to make the economic and human sacrifices needed for "imperial mobilization," he suggests, would be "a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." This passage, near the end of the book, is parallel to an earlier passage, in which Brzezinski said that the public was willing to support "America's engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor."51 A new Pearl Harbor would, accordingly, allow America to ensure its continued primacy by gaining control of Central Asia. In deciding which events belonged to the category of "events surrounding 9/11"a ? meaning events relevant to understanding why and how the attacks of 9/11 occurred ? the Commission chose to include OBL's 1998 statement that Muslims should kill Americans (47). That was considered obviously relevant. But the 9/11 Commission did not include Brzezinski's 1997 suggestion that a new Pearl Harbor would prod Americans to support the increased money for the military needed to support imperial mobilization ? even though the Commission points out that 9/11 had exactly the result that Brzezinski predicted saying: The nation has committed enormous resources to national security and to countering terrorism. Between fiscal year 2001, the last budget adopted before 9/11, and the present fiscal year 2004, total federal spending on defense (including expenditures on both Iraq and Afghanistan), homeland security, and international affairs rose more than 50 percent, from $345 billion to about $547 billion. The United States has not experienced such a rapid surge in national security spending since the Korean War. (361) But the Commissioners evidently thought it too much of a stretch to ask whether motive might be inferred from effect. We see again how the Commission's unquestioned assumption ? that the 9/11 attacks were planned and executed entirely by al-Qaeda under the guidance of Osama bin Laden ? determined in advance its selection of which events constituted "events surrounding 9/11." In line with this assumption, the 9/11 Commission has given us an extremely simplistic picture of US motivations behind the attack on Afghanistan. The Commission has, in particular, omitted all those facts suggesting that 9/11 was more the pretext than the basis for the war in Afghanistan. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=1391 (ook de refertes zijn daar te vinden)
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![]() 9/11 of gelijk welke van de aanslagen.
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Door mij op negeer te hebben gezet blijft u dit soort totale kletskoek verkondigen. Een bewering controleren is toch wel het minste wat u kunt doen. Citaat:
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"Sheikh Mohammed said that the purpose of the attack on the Twin Towers was to "wake the American people up." Sheikh Mohammed said that if the target would have been strictly military or government, the American people would not focus on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people and America's self-serving foreign policy that corrupts Arab governments and leads to further exploitation of the Arab/Muslim peoples."
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Je hebt het nog steeds niet begrepen, ik vraag me af waarom je een Bush fantasietje erbij sleurt, precies of Bushbaby-ikke-presidentblijven echt wat kon veranderen, jaknikken ja. ![]() Soit opnieuw: Denk je nu echt dat Osama bin Laden/Al Queda de USA die UN-resolutie op een presenteerblaadje cadeau doet door een langjarig geplande oerdomme 9/11-aanslag zodat de USA eenderwelk moslimland op basis van die resolutie kon binnenvallen en zorgen dat de nodige pipelines en US-interesses vlot konden verlopen (Afghanistan én Irak) ? (als zelfdefence wegens 9/11-duizenden doden) Denk je nu echrt dat OBL en zijn kliek dat fijn vond in eigen moslimgebieden naar vreemde grotten opgejaagd te worden waar hij vroeger gewoon big boss kon zijn van zijn terroristenkamps en daar rustig kon schuilen ? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() m.a.w. Ik wacht nog altijd op OBL/Al-Quaida hun motief aan de USA de legitimatie cadeau (UN-resolutie) te doen bepaalde moslimlanden binnen te vallen ! Ben je de motieven nog aan ´t zoeken ? Al gevonden ?
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![]() Zonder radioactiviteit na afloop , yea right !
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![]() Natuurlijk niet, maar stel voor de kapingen mislukten grotendeels omdat de scramblers gewoon hun routinejob deden en niet plots bevelen van hogerhand moesten opvolgen. Of dat de terroristen al op de vlieghaven gearresteerd werden op verdacht (ze stonden gewoon op de no fly list
![]() Naja neem aan een kaping lukte en er vielen pakweg 100 doden 1 vliegtuig stortte neer in onbewoond gebied. Komt dan in het rijtje van... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Un...bassy_bombings The 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings were a series of attacks that occurred on August 7, 1998, in which hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous truck bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the major East African cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya. The attacks were linked to local members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, brought Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri to the attention of the US public for the first time, and resulted in the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation placing bin Laden on its Ten Most Wanted list. Weet je dan komt er geen resolutie... imho.
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en o ja, Het Pentagon had geen luchtafweer geschut. De plannen voor de bouw van zon ding zijn direct van tafel geveegd in de periode voorafgaand aan 9/11 , om zeer logische redenen. Hier zijn de motieven : "Sheikh Mohammed said that the purpose of the attack on the Twin Towers was to "wake the American people up." Sheikh Mohammed said that if the target would have been strictly military or government, the American people would not focus on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people and America's self-serving foreign policy that corrupts Arab governments and leads to further exploitation of the Arab/Muslim peoples."
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De mogelijkheid om zelf oorlogsmisdaden te kunnen plegen vervalt niet door de vijand 'terroristen' te noemen, en ook niet als het terroristen zijn. Laatst gewijzigd door atmosphere : 25 mei 2011 om 05:42. |
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[quote] Je hebt het nog steeds niet begrepen, ik vraag me af waarom je een Bush fantasietje erbij sleurt, precies of Bushbaby-ikke-presidentblijven echt wat kon veranderen, jaknikken ja. ![]() [/quote Euh? Come again? Citaat:
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Ok nogmaals bin laden haatte de VS voor hun acties in verschillende moslim landen niet ten minste saudi arabie. Zijn doel was de VS wel uit het midden oosten dit door een combinatie van aanslagen om de VS bevolking te treffen en ervoor te zorgen (zoals de USSR ervoor) dat de VS in een uitputtingsslag terrechtkomt waar het nooit uitkomt.
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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." -Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946) Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and Hitler's designated successor The second in command of the Third Reich |
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Zeg nu eens duidelijk wat JIJ denkt dat er gebeurd is. Citaat:
Zelf al waren het maar enkele kapingen met 250 doden(=passagiers op de 4 vliegtuigen), dan nog had de VS zonder probleem die resolutie en afghanistan kunnen binnenvallen. WIe zou hen gestopt hebben ? Je moet trouwens nog steeds antwoorden op die motieven, het is echt wel duidelijk dat je dat gewoonweg niet kan.
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"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country." -Hermann Goering (1893 - 1946) Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and Hitler's designated successor The second in command of the Third Reich |
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Daarbij om terrorisme te bekampen bestaat er al decennia lang counterterrorisme door special forces. Maar die waren blijkbaar eerder de oorlog in Afghanistan aan ´t voorbereiden als aan counterterrorisme te doen de jaren/maanden vóór de 9/11-aanslagen. Kun je "gemakkelijk" terugvinden in dit enorme topic, maar of dat het duidelijk en begrijpbaar voor jou is betwijfel ik. ![]() Citaat:
In tegenstelling tot wat jij zegt over die motieven. btw thx voor de bevestiging dat die motieven er zijn, dat jij die motieven minimaliseert was te verwachten anders zou je er niet steeds om vragen alhoewel hier al menige forummers enkele hints gegeven hebben. Dus ik hoop dat je er niet meer verder achter "zaagt". ![]() PS. Je hoeft echt niet verder in te gaan op die rare 9/11-motieven van OBL/AQ hoor, van mij moet je niet. ![]() Einde discussie voor mij.
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