Meer Islam is de sleutel tot integratie

[Sean]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Salah

De volledige vrijheid van godsdienst is essentieël en noodzakelijk. Niet de hypocriete repressieve houding, waarbij het Westen beslist van tot zover reikt die "vrijheid". Maar volledige vrijheid, geen 3/4 of 1/4.

Grappig eigenlijk, een aanhanger ( of iemand die doet alsof) van de meest onvrije godsdienst ter wereld pleit voor de volledige vrijheid van godsdienst.
Voor wiens vrijheid pleit je eigenlijk?
Zou je eerst niet eens gaan vegen voor eigen deur, de roep voor volledige vrijheid van godsdienst klinkt nu eerder als een eis tot onderwerping aan de islam.

[circe]

Vrijheid van godsdienst is altijd ondergeschikt aan de democratische wetten.

Natuurlijk, de beleiders van een theocratische ideologie kennen dat verschil niet.

Als morgen een of andere profeet met hersentumor opstaat die beweert dat alle volgelingen minstens éénmaal in hun leven een moslim een kopje kleiner moeten maken, dan betwijfel ik of die volgelingen zich mogen beroepen op de vrijheid van godsdienst om hun religie uit te voeren;

Nochtans eisen volgelingen van Mohammed de volledige vrijheid van godsdienst op om aan volgende (religieuze) Koran-eisen te kunnen voldoen:

Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”
Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”
Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.”
Qur’an:9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”
Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”
Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.”
Bukhari:V9B84N59 “Whoever says this will save his property and life from me.’”
Qur’an:8:73 “The unbelieving infidels are allies. Unless you (Muslims) aid each other (fighting as one united block to make Allah’s religion victorious), there will be confusion and mischief. Those who accepted Islam, left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause (al-Jihad), as well as those who give them asylum, shelter, and aid—these are (all) Believers: for them is pardon and bountiful provision (in Paradise).”
Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”
Qur’an:48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an:48:22 “If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah.”
Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”
Qur’an:47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”
Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”
Tabari VI:139 “Allah had given his Messenger permission to fight by revealing the verse ‘And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.’”
Qur’an:9:19 “Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an:5:94 “Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment.”
Ishaq:578 “Crushing the heads of the infidels and splitting their skulls with sharp swords, we continually thrust and cut at the enemy. Blood gushed from their deep wounds as the battle wore them down. We conquered bearing the Prophet’s fluttering war banner. Our cavalry was submerged in rising dust, and our spears quivered, but by us the Prophet gained victory.”
Tabari IX:22 “The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly.”
Tabari IX:25 “By Allah, I did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta’if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant.”
Tabari IX:82 “The Messenger sent Khalid with an army of 400 to Harith [a South Arabian tribe] and ordered him to invite them to Islam for three days before he fought them. If they were to respond and submit, he was to teach them the Book of Allah, the Sunnah of His Prophet, and the requirements of Islam. If they should decline, then he was to fight them.”
Tabari IX:88 “Abdallah Azdi came to the Messenger, embraced Islam, and became a good Muslim. Allah’s Apostle invested Azdi with the authority over those who had surrendered and ordered him to fight the infidels from the tribes of Yemen. Azdi left with an army by the Messenger’s command. The Muslims besieged them for a month. Then they withdrew, setting a trap. When the Yemenites went in pursuit, Azdi was able to inflict a heavy loss on them.”
Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”
Muslim:C9B1N29 “Command For Fighting Against People So Long As They Do Not Profess That There Is No Ilah (God) But Allah And Muhammad Is His Messenger: When the Messenger breathed his last and Bakr was appointed Caliph, many Arabs chose to become apostates [rejected Islam]. Abu Bakr said: ‘I will definitely fight against anyone who stops paying the Zakat tax, for it is an obligation. I will fight against them even to secure the cord used for hobbling the feet of a camel which they used to pay if they withhold it now.’ Allah had justified fighting against those who refused to pay Zakat.”
Muslim:C9B1N33 “The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.’”
Muslim:C10B1N176 “Muhammad (may peace be upon him) sent us in a raiding party. We raided Huraqat in the morning. I caught hold of a man and he said: ‘There is no god but Allah,’ but I attacked him with a spear anyway. It once occurred to me that I should ask the Apostle about this. The Messenger said: ‘Did he profess “There is no god but Allah,” and even then you killed him?’ I said: ‘He made a profession out of the fear of the weapon I was threatening him with.’ The Prophet said: ‘Did you tear out his heart in order to find out whether it had professed truly or not?’”
Muslim:C20B1N4597 “The Prophet said at the conquest of Mecca: ‘There is no migration now, but only Jihad, fighting for the Cause of Islam. When you are asked to set out on a Jihad expedition, you should readily do so.’”
Muslim:C28B20N4628 “Allah has undertaken to provide for one who leaves his home to fight for His Cause and to affirm the truth of His word; Allah will either admit him to Paradise or will bring him back home with his reward and booty.”
Muslim:C28B20N4629 “The Messenger said: ‘One who is wounded in the Way of Allah—and Allah knows best who is wounded in His Way—will appear on the Day of Judgment with his wound still bleeding. The color (of its discharge) will be blood, (but) its smell will be musk.’”
Muslim:C34B20N4652-3 “The Merit Of Jihad And Of Keeping Vigilance Over The Enemy: A man came to the Holy Prophet and said: ‘Who is the best of men?’ He replied: ‘A man who fights staking his life and spending his wealth in Allah’s Cause.’”
Muslim:C42B20N4684 “A desert Arab came to the Prophet and said: ‘Messenger, one man fights for the spoils of war; another fights that he may be remembered, and one fights that he may see his (high) position (achieved as a result of his valor in fighting). Which of these is fighting in the Cause of Allah?’ The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Who fights so that the word of Allah is exalted is fighting in the Way of Allah.’”
Muslim:C53B20N4717 “The Prophet said: ‘This religion will continue to exist, and a group of people from the Muslims will continue to fight for its protection until the Hour is established.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N288 “I witnessed a scene that was dearer to me than anything I had ever seen. Aswad came to the Prophet while Muhammad was urging the Muslims to fight the pagans. He said, ‘We shall fight on your right and on your left and in front of you and behind you.’ I saw the face of the Prophet getting bright with happiness, for that saying delighted him.”
Bukhari:V5B59N290 “The believers who did not join the Ghazwa [Islamic raid or invasion] and those who fought are not equal in reward.”
Qur’an:2:193 “Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers.”
Qur’an:2:217 “They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: ‘Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause have the hope of Allah’s mercy.”
Qur’an:2:244 “Fight in Allah’s Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all.”
Qur’an:2:246 “He said: ‘Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?’ They said: ‘How could we refuse to fight in Allah’s Cause?’”
Ishaq:280 “The Apostle prepared for war in pursuance of Allah’s command to fight his enemies and to fight the infidels who Allah commanded him to fight.”
Qur’an:61:2 “O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”
Bukhari:V4B52N61 “Allah’s Apostle! We were absent from the first battle you fought against the pagans. If Allah gives us a chance to do battle, no doubt, He will see how bravely we fight.”
Ishaq:398 “Ask them for their help. Thereby make the religion of Islam agreeable to them. And when you are resolved in the matter of religion concerning fighting your enemy you will have the advantage.”
Qur’an:3:146 “How many prophets fought in Allah’s Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah’s Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors].”
Ishaq:393 “How many prophets has death in battle befallen and how many multitudes with him? They did not show weakness toward their enemies and were not humiliated when they suffered in the fight for Allah and their religion. That is steadfastness. Allah loves the steadfast.”
Qur’an:3:153 “Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you.”
Qur’an:3:154 “Say: ‘Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain.”
Ishaq:440 “Helped by the Holy Spirit we smited Muhammad’s foes. The Apostle sent a message to them with a sharp cutting sword.”
Ishaq:470 “We attacked them fully armed, swords in hand, cutting through heads and skulls.”
Qur’an:61:4 “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.”
Qur’an:61:11 “Believers, shall I lead you to a bargain or trade that will save you from a painful torment? That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive and fight in Allah’s Cause with your property and your lives: That will be best for you!”
Qur’an 61:12 “He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens under which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Eden: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another (favor) which you love: help from Allah for a speedy victory over your enemies.”
Qur’an:8:5 “Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting).”
Qur’an:24:53 “They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah’s Cause). Say: ‘Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.’”
Qur’an:4:74 “Let those who fight in Allah’s Cause sell this world’s life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah’s Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward.”
Qur’an:4:75 “What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah’s Cause?” [Another translation says:] “What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?”
Qur’an:4:76 “Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah.”
Qur’an:4:77 “Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’”
Qur’an:4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”
Qur’an:4:84 “Then fight (Muhammad) in Allah’s Cause. Incite the believers to fight with you.”
Qur’an:4:94 “Believers, when you go abroad to fight wars in Allah’s Cause, investigate carefully, and say not to anyone who greets you: ‘You are not a believer!’ Coveting the chance profits of this life (so that you may despoil him). With Allah are plenteous spoils and booty.”
Qur’an:4:95 “Not equal are believers who sit home and receive no hurt and those who fight in Allah’s Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a grade higher to those who fight with their possessions and bodies to those who sit home. Those who fight He has distinguished with a special reward.”
Qur’an:4:100 “He who leaves his home in Allah’s Cause finds abundant resources and many a refuge. Should he die as a refugee for Allah and His Messenger His reward becomes due and sure with Allah. When you travel through the earth there is no blame on you if you curtail your worship for fear unbelievers may attack you. In truth the disbelievers are your enemy.”
Qur’an:4:102 “When you (Prophet) lead them in prayer, let some stand with you, taking their arms with them. When they finish their prostrations, let them take positions in the rear. And let others who have not yet prayed come—taking all precaution, and bearing arms. The Infidels wish, if you were negligent of your arms, to assault you in a rush. But there is no blame on you if you put away your arms because of the inconvenience of rain or because you are ill; but take precaution. For the Unbelieving Infidels Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment.”
Qur’an:4:104 “And do not relent in pursuing the enemy.”
Bron= Prophet of Doom

[Ondernemerke]

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Een man met intellect, wat niet gezegd kan worden van degenen die hier hun achterlijke toogpraat komen verkopen.

Wij mogen toogpraat vertellen want jullie mogen geen café binnen
En als die man intellect is? So what? En waarom? Omdat hij wat meer zijn broek op school of universiteit heeft gesleten? Geeft hem dit het recht onzin te gaan verkondigen?

[Salah]

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want jullie mogen geen café binnen

Toch wel.

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En als die man intellect is?

Intellect ben je niet, dat heb je. In uw geval, valt dat precies maar magertjes uit.

[Snerror]

Salah, stop met deze onzin. Het enige wat je probeert te doen is je eigen gelijk te bewijzen tegen alle rationele argumenten in uit een soort misplaatste fierheid.

Ik weet dat het vreselijk zal zijn en je wereld zal in duigen vallen. Na een paar maanden echter zal je je een stuk beter voelen! Tenzij je wordt vermoord door je medegelovigen natuurlijk.

[Kallikles]

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1960: voor Amerikaanse interventie, tiersmondistische, Afro-Aziatische regimes aan de macht

2013: na Amerikaanse interventie, pro-Amerikaanse regimes aan de macht

Het verschil is inderdaad duidelijk!

[Kallikles]

Aan te raden lectuur:

Malek Bennabi, L'afrio-asiatisme

http://books.google.be/books/about/L...AJ&redir_esc=y

[Zipper]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kallikles

1960: voor Amerikaanse interventie, tiersmondistische, Afro-Aziatische regimes aan de macht

2013: na Amerikaanse interventie, pro-Amerikaanse regimes aan de macht

Het verschil is inderdaad duidelijk!

gij moet ook niet zat zijn om te zeveren.

[Schelfie]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kallikles

1960: voor Amerikaanse interventie, tiersmondistische, Afro-Aziatische regimes aan de macht

2013: na Amerikaanse interventie, pro-Amerikaanse regimes aan de macht

Het verschil is inderdaad duidelijk!

Ken jij nu werkelijk niets van geschiedenis?

Amerika viel Afghanistan pas binnen in 2001. Daarvoor was het die schatjes van de Taliban. Die moslimgekken die onder andere de onbetaalbare eeuwenoude Boeddha beelden opbliezen.

Irak werd pas binnengevallen in 2003. En akkoord die aanval was niet koosjer.

Iran werd volledig om zeep geholpen door moslimzotten hun opstand. Daarvoor was het onder de Sjah een redelijk welvarend land.

[maddox]

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Ken jij nu werkelijk niets van geschiedenis?

Salah kan google gebruiken, da's ondertussen duidelijk. maar als feiten hem/haar/het niet goed uiitkomen, woden ze genegeerd, evenals lastige vragen.

Amerika viel Afghanistan pas binnen in 2001.

Rambo 3 is een film van 1988...

Daarvoor was het die schatjes van de Taliban.

Die gesteund door de VS de Russen een pak slaag hadden gegeven.

Die moslimgekken die onder andere de onbetaalbare eeuwenoude Boeddha beelden opbliezen.

Ik vermoed dat de VS dat niet had zien aankomen.

Irak werd pas binnengevallen in 2003. En akkoord die aanval was niet koosjer.

Ge bedoeld de WMD's die nu in Syrië gebruikt worden.

Iran werd volledig om zeep geholpen door moslimzotten hun opstand. Daarvoor was het onder de Sjah een redelijk welvarend land.

Wel grappig te weten dat de Sjah in't zadel is geholpen met VS steun.

Maar kort door de bocht, het is moeilijk 1 moslim land op te noemen dat geen hardvochtige dictatuur is en toch de 21ste eeuw van nabij heeft gezien.

[Weyland]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kallikles

1960: voor Amerikaanse interventie, tiersmondistische, Afro-Aziatische regimes aan de macht

2013: na Amerikaanse interventie, pro-Amerikaanse regimes aan de macht

Het verschil is inderdaad duidelijk!

Met de uitzondering van Iran. Die zijn erop achteruitgegaan en allesbehalve pro-Amerikaans. Wel heeft de CIA-steun aan de Phalaviaanse coup in 1953 tegen de democratisch verkozen en seculiere Mohammad Mosaddegh ertoe bijgedragen dat de ayatollah's later de macht zouden grijpen in 1979.

Desondanks, wie er nu aan de macht is is nog veel slechter dan de sjah.

[Kallikles]

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Ken jij nu werkelijk niets van geschiedenis?

Amerika viel Afghanistan pas binnen in 2001.

Look who's talking!

[maddox]

Moet lukken kallikles, dat ik recentelijk een docu heb gezien over de Sovjet invasie in Afghanistan. 1 van de redenen waarom de taliban zo "succesvol" waren, is omdat er in de "wegwerp" grondtroepen die de Sovjets stuurden, er een belangrijke minderheid was die uit "iets of wat religieuzere" streken kwam.
Met de wetenschap dat de Sovjets niet zo vriendelijk waren als het op religie aankwam, kan men zo zien dat er veel haat onder die toch religieuze jongemannen zat.

En zo had de Taliban een voorgeprogrammeerde 5de colone.
Nadeel was, de tank en helicopterbemanningen hadden die minderheid niet, en dat verklaart plots ook waarom de taliban de helicopters en tanks an sich vreesden.

Nu, voor de tanks waren er snel oplossingen. Sabotage, en obstructie.

Helaas ging dat bijna niet voor de helicopters en vliegtuigen. Die hadden "de betere Sovjets technici", die zelden een fanatiek religieuze achtergrond hadden, en beter gescreened waren door de KGB.

[BonBon]

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Kallikles

1960: voor Amerikaanse interventie, tiersmondistische, Afro-Aziatische regimes aan de macht

2013: na Amerikaanse interventie, pro-Amerikaanse regimes aan de macht

Het verschil is inderdaad duidelijk!

Moslims hebben een dictatuur nodig, geef ze de vrijheid en ze dwingen heel het land om streng islamitisch te leven. Vrijheid en democratie in islam landen is dus erg moeilijk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=RT49NZhJq6M

"zolang de overheid ze onder controle houdt zijn ze braaf en vriendelijk, valt die controle weg dan worden het beesten"
"Zoals ik al zei, wacht gewoon tot de overheid niet aan de macht is om te zien wat ze elkaar aandoen."
"Slachtpartijen, moorden, onthoofden, lichaamsdelen opeten en dan Allah snackbar roepen"

[Nota Bene]

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Wat de heer Laurence schrijft, is de vanzelfsprekendheid zelve en is ook de manier waarop intelligente, pragmatische staten zoals China of Maleisië met minderheden omgaan: erkennen, vertegenwoordigen, in dialoog treden. Een samenleving kan pas overleven dankzij dialoog.

Ik denk dat moslims hier meer vertroeteld worden dan in de o zo pragmatische Chinese Volksrepubliek hoor.

Wat zou anders zo de wrevel opwekken van buitenlandse fundamentalisten in de grensprovincies en buurlanden van China? Of denk je dat de Fetullah Gülen-beweging en haar politieke verlengstuk, de regering-Erdogan, in Xinjiang en Mongolië bijvoorbeeld enkel actief zijn om nationalistische redenen?

Hoe zit het overigens met de agitatie van Arabische fundamentalisten in de regio? Is het niet zo dat China (net als het al even "pragmatische" Rusland) zich sinds 9/11 steeds meer op de anti-AQ-retoriek en de strijd tegen het terrorisme beroept om binnenlands separatisme te bestrijden? Separatisme dat nu eens gesteund wordt vanuit Turkije, dan weer vanuit de Golfstaten en het Westen (alle drie strategisch verbonden uiteraard). Denk je dat de Sjanghai Samenwerkingsorganisatie, waar je wel sympathie voor zult hebben, dient om in Eurazië een democratische transitie in westerse zin te bewerkstelligen of zo? Het is in de eerste plaats een veiligheidsorganisatie, dus houd daar rekening mee.

Het pragmatisme van de Chinezen en de Russen bestaat er net in dat ze het buitenlandse proselitisme (en dus de islamisering) geen vrij spel geven zoals het Westen, dat met zijn doorgedraaide multiculturalisme stilaan de "cloaca maxima" van de wereld is geworden. Waarom? Simpel: China en Rusland hebben zich niet strategisch verbonden met die puriteinse kwezels uit de Golf. De petrodollar-islam is geen beschavingsalternatief voor de westerse decadentie, en is dat ook nooit geweest. Integendeel zelfs, deze strekking van de islam maakt onlosmakelijk deel uit van datzelfde decadente en kosmopolitische Westen in al zijn bonte kleurenpracht (en innerlijke tegenstrijdigheden). Landen als Saoedi-Arabië en Qatar zijn voor de gemiddelde Westerling ideale uithangborden om (anti-)Arabische stereotypen in stand te houden en islamfobie aan te wakkeren, maar zijn tegelijk de belangrijkste steunpilaren (of objectieve bondgenoten) van Israël en de VS in het Nabije Oosten. Van een maskerade gesproken!

Gek dat onze zelfverklaarde "Salah" dit alles door de vingers lijkt te zien. Zou hij dan toch een construct zijn?

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Als men wil integreren, zal dat ook gebeuren.
Vragen hierbij: waarom dienen er bv. aparte scholen voor hen te worden gebouwd? Waarom mogen onze scholen geen varkensvlees meer serveren?
Hoever moet dit ideologisch principe gaan om de politici hun kiesvolk te geven -niet wetende dat op termijn er zoveel zijn geïmporteerd, dat ze dankbaar zullen gebruik maken van de verworven middelen om op zichzelf te stemmen.



Een Engels grapje om dit duidelijk te maken, en dus waar tevens eens kan worden over nagedacht.

The Muslim Conundrum

Everyone seems to be wondering why fanatical Muslims are so quick to commit suicide.
Lets have a look at the evidence:
- No pork chops
- No hot dogs
- No burgers
- No beer
- No Christmas
- No television
- No football
...
- Then they tell you that "when you die, it all gets better"??

Well no sh*t Sherlock!...
It's not like it could get much worse
THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!
They're not happy in Gaza, Egypt, Libya...

SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?
They're happy in England, France, Italy, Germany...

Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim
And unhappy in every country that is!

AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?
Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.

THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like.... THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!
Excuse me, but I can't help wondering...

[Supe®Staaf]

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Nu, daarvoor is het in Europa wellicht te vroeg. Het dualistische denken is er nog te sterk.

Zeer waar.
Europa is er nog niet aan toe.
Zolang zouden moslims er beter wegblijven.

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1960: voor Amerikaanse interventie, tiersmondistische, Afro-Aziatische regimes aan de macht

2013: na Amerikaanse interventie, pro-Amerikaanse regimes aan de macht

Het verschil is inderdaad duidelijk!

Dat Ceyazir in Algerije ligt was je blijkbaar ontgaan.

[Nota Bene]

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Aan te raden lectuur:

Malek Bennabi, L'afrio-asiatisme

http://books.google.be/books/about/L...AJ&redir_esc=y

De Conferentie van Bandung? Waar kom jij nu nog mee af? Dat is méér dan een halve eeuw geleden! Het is natuurlijk altijd gemakkelijker om het verleden te herkauwen (zeker als het een afgesloten hoofdstuk betreft) dan om actuele, laat staan visionaire analyses te maken.

De belangrijkste les is dat Bandung de wereld niét heeft veranderd en ook nooit heeft gewerkt. En de term "Afro-Aziatisch" op zich verklaart al veel: hij is zo abstract dat hij alleen uit de koker van (verwesterste?) kamergeleerden kan komen. Het concept is wereldvreemd en zal dat altijd blijven.

De Chinezen gedragen zich dezer dagen in Afrika niet beter dan om het even welke andere imperialistische mogendheid. Kijk dus eens naar de praktijk, want daar is het door jou zo geprezen Chinese "pragmatisme" (ook tegenover zijn minderheden) in de eerste plaats op gebaseerd. Niet op marxistische of andere boekenpraat noch op de bestofte antikoloniale retoriek van de jaren '50.

De term "Afro-Aziatisch" is dus héél mooi in theorie, maar kijk liever eens naar de Derde Wereld van vandaag dan naar die van 60 jaar geleden.

[R.Verhiest]

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dat mag je niet doen ondernemerke! dan moet je haar ZES MAANDEN LOON uitbetalen, (net zoals Hema met ons Joyce van den Hema heeft moeten doen) .

zorg gewoon dat je op voorhand een goede procedure voor personeelszaken hebt klaarliggen. En daar staat natuurlijk in dat je geen zichtbare kentekenen van enige religieuze of politieke overtuiging kan aanvaarden.

Ik zou het alvast inkaderen en in de wachtzaal hangen waar ze zitten te solliciteren. spaart je alvast tijd uit.

Weiger gewoon klanten met een hoofddoek en tank geen benzine meer uit
Islamistische landen. Besix : verbieden te exporteren naar de golfstaten, Egypte, Maleisië, Indonesië en andere "te moslimachtige" staten. Zuivere eigenheid boven alles ! (precies wat fundi's van allerlei slag zo graag horen)