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wat een grap. De yanks léven van oorlog.
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Karikatuur, much?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposit...he_Vietnam_War

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men VERGEET bij dat artikel te plaatsen dat die vuurwapens legaal waren, want er was een vergunning voor.. Dus dag dag theorie
...en een spaanse matrak meer of minder, daar zien we niet op.
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men VERGEET bij dat artikel te plaatsen dat die vuurwapens legaal waren, want er was een vergunning voor.. Dus dag dag theorie
Ha!
Informatie uit eerste hand ?


Legale vuurwapens zijn even dodelijk als illegale.
Een telescopische matrak is een verboden wapen en k�*n niet legaal zijn.

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...en een spaanse matrak meer of minder, daar zien we niet op.
bij Voorpost?
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We zijn nu eenmaal toffe knullen
Overdag student, 's avonds NSA en 's nachts Voorpost?
Heb je dan nog wel tijd voor B&H? In de weekends?
Druk, druk leven, welke stress toch....
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men VERGEET bij dat artikel te plaatsen dat die vuurwapens legaal waren, want er was een vergunning voor.. Dus dag dag theorie
je vergat een zinnetje te lezen:
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bij het gerecht al bekend voor meer dan 40 feiten.
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Nog wat van datte:
*

Bart V. en Bart B., beiden 25, komen uit respectievelijk Zaventem en
Grimbergen en zijn bij het gerecht al bekend voor meer dan 40 feiten.

In de woning van Bart V. vond de politie drie vuurwapens, bij Bart
B. werd een telescopische matrak aangetroffen.
http://www.nieuwsblad.be/article/det...I_20100522_001


Hoe noem jij dat schorremorrie dan? Freedomfighters?

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Dat individuele Amerikanen tegen die oorlogen zijn is eigenlijk vanzelfsprekend. Dat neemt niet weg dat de VS van 1959 tot 1975 in Vietnam hebben gezeten, er zelf 53000 man hebben verloren en ongeveer 2 miljoen Vietnamezen de dood in hebben gejaagd.

Geen zin in oorlog na WOII? Een overzichtje:

1950-53 – Korean War. The United States responded to North Korean invasion of South Korea by going to its assistance, pursuant to United Nations Security Council resolutions. US forces deployed in Korea exceeded 300,000 during the last year of the conflict. Over 36,600 US military were killed in action.

1955-64 – Vietnam. First military advisors sent to Vietnam on 12 Feb 1955. By 1964, US troop levels had grown to 21,000. On 7 August 1964, US Congress approved Gulf of Tonkin resolution affirming "All necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States. . .to prevent further aggression. . . (and) assist any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asian Collective Defense Treaty (SEATO) requesting assistance. . ."

1958 – Lebanon. Lebanon crisis of 1958 Marines were landed in Lebanon at the invitation of President Camille Chamoun to help protect against threatened insurrection supported from the outside. The President's action was supported by a Congressional resolution passed in 1957 that authorized such actions in that area of the world.

1959-60 – The Caribbean. Second Marine Ground Task Force was deployed to protect US nationals following the Cuban revolution.

1962 – Thailand. The Third Marine Expeditionary Unit landed on May 17, 1962 to support that country during the threat of Communist pressure from outside; by July 30, the 5,000 marines had been withdrawn.

1962-75 – Laos. From October 1962 until 1975, the United States played an important role in military support of anti-Communist forces in Laos.

1964 – Congo (Zaire). The United States sent four transport planes to provide airlift for Congolese troops during a rebellion and to transport Belgian paratroopers to rescue foreigners.

1959-75 – Vietnam War. US military advisers had been in South Vietnam for a decade, and their numbers had been increased as the military position of the Saigon government became weaker. After citing what he termed were attacks on US destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf, President Johnson asked in August 1964 for a resolution expressing US determination to support freedom and protect peace in Southeast Asia. Congress responded with the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, expressing support for "all necessary measures" the President might take to repel armed attacks against US forces and prevent further aggression. Following this resolution, and following a Communist attack on a US installation in central Vietnam, the United States escalated its participation in the war to a peak of 543,000 military personnel by April 1969.

1965 – Dominican Republic. Invasion of Dominican Republic The United States intervened to protect lives and property during a Dominican revolt and sent 20,000 US troops as fears grew that the revolutionary forces were coming increasingly under Communist control.

1968 – Laos & Cambodia. U.S. starts secret bombing campaign against targets along the Ho Chi Minh trail in the sovereign nations of Cambodia and Laos. The bombings last at least two years.

1970 – Cambodia Campaign. US troops were ordered into Cambodia to clean out Communist sanctuaries from which Viet Cong and North Vietnamese attacked US and South Vietnamese forces in Vietnam. The object of this attack, which lasted from April 30 to June 30, was to ensure the continuing safe withdrawal of American forces from South Vietnam and to assist the program of Vietnamization.

1973 – Operation Nickel Grass, a strategic airlift operation conducted by the United States to deliver weapons and supplies to Israel during the Yom Kippur War.

1981 – El Salvador. After a guerrilla offensive against the government of El Salvador, additional US military advisers were sent to El Salvador, bringing the total to approximately 55, to assist in training government forces in counterinsurgency.

1981 – Libya. First Gulf of Sidra Incident On August 19, 1981, US planes based on the carrier USS Nimitz shot down two Libyan jets over the Gulf of Sidra after one of the Libyan jets had fired a heat-seeking missile. The United States periodically held freedom of navigation exercises in the Gulf of Sidra, claimed by Libya as territorial waters but considered international waters by the United States.

1982 – Sinai. On March 19, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of military personnel and equipment to participate in the Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai. Participation had been authorized by the Multinational Force and Observers Resolution, Public Law 97-132.

1983 – Grenada. Citing the increased threat of Soviet and Cuban influence and noting the development of an international airport following a bloodless Grenada coup d'état and alignment with the Soviets and Cuba, the U.S. launches Operation Urgent Fury to invade the sovereign island nation of Grenada.

1983-89 – Honduras. In July 1983 the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua. On March 25, 1986, unarmed US military helicopters and crewmen ferried Honduran troops to the Nicaraguan border to repel Nicaraguan troops.

1983 – Chad. On August 8, 1983, President Reagan reported the deployment of two AWACS electronic surveillance planes and eight F-15 fighter planes and ground logistical support forces to assist Chad against Libyan and rebel forces.

1984 – Persian Gulf. On June 5, 1984, Saudi Arabian jet fighter planes, aided by intelligence from a US AWACS electronic surveillance aircraft and fueled by a U.S. KC-10 tanker, shot down two Iranian fighter planes over an area of the Persian Gulf proclaimed as a protected zone for shipping.

1986 – Libya. Action in the Gulf of Sidra (1986) On March 26, 1986, President Reagan reported on March 24 and 25, US forces, while engaged in freedom of navigation exercises around the Gulf of Sidra, had been attacked by Libyan missiles and the United States had responded with missiles.

1986 – Libya. Operation El Dorado Canyon On April 16, 1986, President Reagan reported that U.S. air and naval forces had conducted bombing strikes on terrorist facilities and military installations in the Libyan capitol of Tripoli, claiming that Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Gaddafi was responsible for a bomb attack at a German disco that killed two U.S. soldiers.

1986 – Bolivia. U.S. Army personnel and aircraft assisted Bolivia in anti-drug operations.

1987 –October 19, Operation Nimble Archer - attack on two Iranian oil platforms in the Persian Gulf by United States Navy forces. The attack was a response to Iran's October 16, 1987 attack on the MV Sea Isle City, a reflagged Kuwaiti oil tanker at anchor off Kuwait, with a Silkworm missile.

1987-88 – Persian Gulf. After the Iran-Iraq War resulted in several military incidents in the Persian Gulf, the United States increased US joint military forces operations in the Persian Gulf and adopted a policy of reflagging and escorting Kuwaiti oil tankers through the Persian Gulf, called Operation Earnest Will. President Reagan reported that US ships had been fired upon or struck mines or taken other military action on September 21 (Iran Ajr), October 8, and October 19, 1987 and April 18 (Operation Praying Mantis), July 3, and July 14, 1988. The United States gradually reduced its forces after a cease-fire between Iran and Iraq on August 20, 1988.[RL30172] It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II.

1988 – Operation Praying Mantis was the April 18, 1988 action waged by U.S. naval forces in retaliation for the Iranian mining of the Persian Gulf and the subsequent damage to an American warship.

1988 – Operation Golden Pheasant was an emergency deployment of U.S. troops to Honduras in 1988, as a result of threatening actions by the forces of the (then socialist) Nicaraguans.

1988 – USS Vincennes shoot down of Iran Air Flight 655

1988 – Panama. In mid-March and April 1988, during a period of instability in Panama and as the United States increased pressure on Panamanian head of state General Manuel Noriega to resign, the United States sent 1,000 troops to Panama, to "further safeguard the canal, US lives, property and interests in the area." The forces supplemented 10,000 US military personnel already in the Panama Canal Zone.

1989 – Libya. Second Gulf of Sidra Incident On January 4, 1989, two US Navy F-14 aircraft based on the USS John F. Kennedy shot down two Libyan jet fighters over the Mediterranean Sea about 70 miles north of Libya. The US pilots said the Libyan planes had demonstrated hostile intentions.

1989 – Panama. On May 11, 1989, in response to General Noriega's disregard of the results of the Panamanian election, President Bush ordered a brigade-sized force of approximately 1,900 troops to augment the estimated 11,000 U.S. forces already in the area.

1989 – Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru. Andean Initiative in War on Drugs. On September 15, 1989, President Bush announced that military and law enforcement assistance would be sent to help the Andean nations of Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru combat illicit drug producers and traffickers. By mid-September there were 50-100 US military advisers in Colombia in connection with transport and training in the use of military equipment, plus seven Special Forces teams of 2-12 persons to train troops in the three countries.

1989 – Operation Classic Resolve, Philippines - On December 2, 1989, President Bush reported that on December 1, Air Force fighters from Clark Air Base in Luzon had assisted the Aquino government to repel a coup attempt. In addition, 100 marines were sent from U.S. Naval Base Subic Bay to protect the United States Embassy in Manila.

1989-90 – Operation Just Cause, Panama - On December 21, 1989, President Bush reported that he had ordered US military forces to Panama to protect the lives of American citizens and bring General Noriega to justice. By February 13, 1990, all the invasion forces had been withdrawn.[RL30172] Around 200 Panamanian civilians were reported killed. The Panamanian head of state, General Manuel Noriega, was captured and brought to the U.S.

1990 – Saudi Arabia. On August 9, 1990, President Bush reported that he had ordered the forward deployment of substantial elements of the US armed forces into the Persian Gulf region to help defend Saudi Arabia after the August 2 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq. On November 16, 1990, he reported the continued buildup of the forces to ensure an adequate offensive military option.[RL30172] American hostages being held in Iran.

1991 – Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm (Persian Gulf War). On January 16, 1991, U.S. forces attacked Iraqi forces and military targets in Iraq and Kuwait in conjunction with a coalition of allies and under United Nations Security Council resolutions. Combat operations ended on February 28, 1991.

1991 – Iraq. On May 17, 1991, President Bush stated that the Iraqi repression of the Kurdish people had necessitated a limited introduction of U.S. forces into northern Iraq for emergency relief purposes.

1992-2003 – Iraq. Iraqi No-Fly Zones The U.S. together with the United Kingdom declares and enforces "no fly zones" over the majority of sovereign Iraqi airspace, prohibiting Iraqi flights in zones in southern Iraq and northern Iraq, and conducting aerial reconnaissance and bombings. (See also Operation Southern Watch)

1992-95 – Somalia. "Operation Restore Hope" Somali Civil War On December 10, 1992, President Bush reported that he had deployed US armed forces to Somalia in response to a humanitarian crisis and a UN Security Council Resolution. The operation came to an end on May 4, 1993. US forces continued to participate in the successor United Nations Operation in Somalia (UNOSOM II). (See also Battle of Mogadishu)

1993-Present – Bosnia-Herzegovina.

1994-95 – Operation Uphold Democracy, Haiti. U.S. ships had begun embargo against Haiti. Up to 20,000 US military troops were later deployed to Haiti.

1995 – Operation Deliberate Force, Bosnia. NATO bombing of Bosnian Serbs.

1998 – Operation Desert Fox, Iraq - U.S. and British forces conduct a a major four-day bombing campaign from December 16–19, 1998 on Iraqi targets.

1998 – Operation Infinite Reach, Afghanistan and Sudan. On August 20, air strikes were used against two suspected terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and a suspected chemical factory in Sudan.

1999 – Operation Allied Force - NATO's bombing of Serbia in the Kosovo Conflict.

2000 – Yemen. On October 12, 2000, after the USS Cole attack in the port of Aden, Yemen, military personnel were deployed to Aden.

2000 – East Timor. On February 25, 2000, a small number of U.S. military personnel were deployed to support of the United Nations Transitional Administration in East Timor (UNTAET).

2001 – Afghanistan. War in Afghanistan. The War on Terrorism begins with Operation Enduring Freedom. On October 7, 2001, US Armed Forces invade Afghanistan in response to the 9/11 attacks and "begin combat action in Afghanistan against Al Qaeda terrorists and their Taliban supporters."

2002 – Yemen. On November 3, 2002, an American MQ-1 Predator fired a Hellfire missile at a car in Yemen killing Qaed Senyan al-Harthi, an al-Qaeda leader thought to be responsible for the USS Cole bombing.

2002 – Philippines. OEF-Philippines. January 2002 U.S. "combat-equipped and combat support forces" have been deployed to the Philippines to train with, assist and advise the Philippines' Armed Forces in enhancing their "counterterrorist capabilities."

2003 – 2003 invasion of Iraq leading to the War in Iraq. March 20, 2003. The United States leads a coalition that includes Britain, Australia and Spain to invade Iraq with the stated goal of eliminating Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and undermining Saddam Hussein.

2003 – Georgia and Djibouti "US combat equipped and support forces" had been deployed to Georgia and Djibouti to help in enhancing their "counterterrorist capabilities."

2004 – War on Terrorism: US anti-terror related activities were underway in Georgia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Yemen, and Eritrea.

2006 – Pakistan. 17 people including known Al Qaeda bomb maker and chemical weapons expert Midhat Mursi, were killed in an American MQ-1 Predator airstrike on Damadola (Pakistan), near the Afghan border.[9][10] However, statements by U.S. and Pakistani officials reported in September, 2007 disclosed that that none of those al-Qaeda leaders perished in the strike and that only local villagers were killed.

2007 – Somalia. Battle of Ras Kamboni. On January 8, 2007, while the conflict between the Islamic Courts Union and the Transitional Federal Government continues, an AC-130 gunship conducts an aerial strike on a suspected Al-Qaeda operative, along with other Islamist fighters, on Badmadow Island near Ras Kamboni in southern Somalia.

2008 – South Ossetia, Georgia. Helped Georgia humanitarian aid[14], helped to transport Georgian forces from Iraq during the conflict. In the past, the US has provided training and weapons to Georgia.

2009 – Pakistan, In relation to efforts in Afghanistan, U.S. Forces struck an insurgent encampment in the Northern mountains, killing 24, with missiles fired from an unmanned aerial assault vehicle.

En dat is zonder humanitaire missies en evacuaties. Ook de invloed in het beleid van vele Centraal- en Zuid-Amerikaanse landen zit hier niet bij.

Bron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...history_events
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Ik kan ook zulke sites maken.Dan gelooft u het ook.
Hitler was absoluut geen groots staatsman.
Hij liet Duitsland verwoest achter en pleegde een laffe zelfmoord, grote staatshoofden doen dat inderdaad.
Maar ja...Je liefde voor de Führer maakt je stekeblind, net als de miljoenen dwaze Duitsers destijds.
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Randmarginalen en dergelijke. Lap we gaan weer eens schelden hoor.
Wat vind jij dan van skinheads? Ideale schoonzoon zeker.
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Ik probeerde een discussie te starten over het nazi-gehalte van een bepaalde groepering...En kijk hoe de discussie is gevorderd.....Hen die ik verweet van nazistisch te zijn en dat met klem ontkennen.... zijn nu net diegene die er alles doen om Hitler te verdedigen en goedpraten ( de N-SA vriendjes enz)
Dat zegt genoeg.N-SA = nazisme.Einde discussie.
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Einde discussie.
Daaaaaaaag!
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Daaaaaaaag!
Ik probeerde een discussie te starten over het nazi-gehalte van een bepaalde groepering...En kijk hoe de discussie is gevorderd.....Hen die ik verweet van nazistisch te zijn en dat met klem ontkennen.... zijn nu net diegene die er alles doen om Hitler te verdedigen en goedpraten ( de N-SA vriendjes enz)
Dat zegt genoeg.N-SA = nazisme.Einde discussie.
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.Einde discussie.
Au revoir!
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Herlees die post eens voor je zoiets schrijft.
Ja ja, filosoof, ik weet dat jij enkel voor democratische vrijheden bent voor mensen van jouw clubje. Ik heb geen enkele sympathie voor nazi's, communisten of anarchisten, maar van mij mogen ze ijveren voor hun overtuiging. Net zoals ik dat doe voor de mijne.
In tegenstelling tot sommigen wil ik andersdenkenden niet naar de psychiatrie sturen.
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Een geluk voor ons, is naderhand gebleken.
Tja, als je dwaas en slaafs geboren bent misschien.
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De Amerikanen hadden helemaal geen trek in nog een oorlog na de Tweede Wereldoorlog.
Je verwart de internationale politiek met een spelletje Risk.
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Is het nou zo moeilijk? Japan valt Amerika aan, dus het is oorlog. Na de aanval verklaart Hitler de oorlog aan de Verenigde Staten.
Risk.
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Als alles informeel gebeurd via achterpoortjes kan het liberalen allemaal geen zier schelen. Zolang de schijn hoog wordt opgehouden van hun homo economicus-utopie.
Zelfs vanuit het homo-economicus-principe zijn heel wat Amerikaanse oorlogen verklaarbaar.
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